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Post Post #5  (isolation #0)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:25 pm

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Post Post #7  (isolation #1)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:29 pm

Scum have day chat hence all the fast confirmations huh.
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Post Post #9  (isolation #2)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:32 pm

VOTE: LUV

This is a scum PR we need to get riD of ASAP.
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Post Post #121  (isolation #3)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:55 pm

This game just got easy .
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Post Post #122  (isolation #4)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:56 pm

Kidding lol

Hello eager, do you have any early reads?

Anyone else can also answer this.
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Post Post #124  (isolation #5)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:05 am

In post 43, Grendel wrote:
boring wrote:
In post 36, Grendel wrote:@Boring You don't even have a witty one-liner to go with your vote... that's really... boring...

You say that like it's a bad thing. :nerd:


I like it when people make Beowulf jokes. Do you not like people referencing your name in jokes?

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1) What is your preferred alignment?

2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?

3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?

4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why? (Ex: 1 would be deciding between 13, and 2. 2 would be deciding between 1 and 3. 3 would decide between 2 and 4.)

5) How excited are you for this game?

Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah Eager is lame, you're the one I want to see in action!

What am I? Chopped liver?


1. Mafia, cause I love the wifom. But I probably play better as town.

2. I'm not often mislynched. Occasionally might be a better word.

3. I'm a good analyser and gut reader. My reads are generally good but I have a hard time convincing town that X is scum[Hint-that person is actually scum](Ask Maria).

4. Probably the one below me.

5. 7/10
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Post Post #125  (isolation #6)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:10 am

Grendel, you mind answering your own questions?

Also I think LUV is scum and everyone should be voting there.
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Post Post #128  (isolation #7)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:24 am

Naked voting is Pro scum. ^
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Post Post #135  (isolation #8)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:06 am

In post 134, boring wrote:
In post 128, Shadow_step wrote:Naked voting is Pro scum. ^

Why would an RVS vote accompanied by "baaa..." or "hello" be more defensible than a naked vote?


It isn't, unfortunately I only have one vote.
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Post Post #139  (isolation #9)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:25 am

In post 136, PenguinPower wrote:2.) Never been mislynched. Come close several times, but never.


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Post Post #143  (isolation #10)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:37 am

In post 140, boring wrote:We've too many players who fall into your "unacceptable RVS vote" category for them all to be scum. How'd you come to the conclusion that this one in particular is scum?

Also, what do you think of Implosion sheeping you with what amounts to a naked vote?


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Why, do you have a problem with my push?

I don't care about Implosion as long as he helps me lynch scum.
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Post Post #152  (isolation #11)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:14 am

Cool, you wanna answer my question?
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Post Post #166  (isolation #12)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:52 am

Looks like LUV has been advised to play dumb and play newb like.
Needs death.
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Post Post #168  (isolation #13)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:58 am

In post 20, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 19, Gamma Emerald wrote:How is it negative? Doesn't it make you immune to nightkills?


No: Ascetic


So, do you believe eagersnake?
What is your current read on him?
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Post Post #169  (isolation #14)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:00 am

Actually I wouldn't mind if everyone answers this ^

I personally think Eager could have waited a bit and tried ti develop some reads before outing that he is ascetic. More info to be gained from reactions after that.
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Post Post #210  (isolation #15)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:56 pm

In post 208, Zoronos wrote:Shadowstep, sorry. My mistake.

What is your opinion on Grendel, since it sounds like you know him better?


I've only played with PP, eager and Maria before. So I'm not familiar with Grendel.
From my exp, scum are more awkward during RVS, and RQS is more or less NAI.
I'm currently leaning null town on him.
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Post Post #263  (isolation #16)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:08 am

In post 174, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 168, Shadow_step wrote:So, do you believe eagersnake?


Have no reason not to at this point. How about you?

In post 168, Shadow_step wrote:What is your current read on him?


Null. Yours?


This is a very safe stance
How can you believe him and not town read him even if slightly ?

Like mafia ascetic is very strong modifier for mafia, unless you believe that town would have those many PRs to counter that.
Hence you null read him. But I doubt you would have thought that much.
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Post Post #265  (isolation #17)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:13 am

He does stuff after he's prompted to do it.
My read hasn't changed on him.
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Post Post #267  (isolation #18)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:16 am

@Dier, I'm waiting for those walls man.

@mod, can we have a replacement for Slandaar if he is town and a modkill if he is mafia? K thanks :P
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Post Post #268  (isolation #19)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:19 am

In post 266, Gamma Emerald wrote:No change at all?


His wall is mostly commentary.
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Post Post #270  (isolation #20)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:22 am

Good this should be an easy game. I have a couple of town reads too.
Need to hear more from Slandaar/Maria/Diet to sort them out.
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Post Post #279  (isolation #21)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:30 am

In post 276, eagerSnake wrote:There's a scum who is intent on breaching the town block /note


Elaborate.
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Post Post #280  (isolation #22)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:32 am

@Boring, since you are around, what is you read on Eager atm, regarding his claim and stuff?
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Post Post #296  (isolation #23)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:06 pm

In post 280, Shadow_step wrote:@Boring, since you are around, what is you read on Eager atm, regarding his claim and stuff?


Maria, same question.
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Post Post #297  (isolation #24)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:08 pm

Gamma I really think your Zoronos vote is terrible. What is your case against him?
I think there are better places to put your vote, like PP.
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Post Post #305  (isolation #25)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:01 pm

@Zoro, let's wagon Penguin.
There seems to be more potential in this.

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Post Post #343  (isolation #26)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:36 am

In post 329, boring wrote:Gamma is acting exactly like he did in our last game. I tunnelled him for it because he's easy to mislynch. I'm also doubting my scum read on Zoronos. He's just barrelled on without a single adjustment to his behavior. It's not something I'd expect from someone I'm scum-reading for being fake. They're each either cleverer at playing scum than I'm willing to entertain at the moment, or they're not scum.

UNVOTE:


Join me on Penguin please.

He nicely ignored my question.
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Post Post #344  (isolation #27)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:43 am

In post 336, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 335, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 332, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah implosion is town.


So:

Won't read LUV = scum > Will read LUV later = leantown > Still hasn't read/posted about, but post stuff about PP = town.

Dude...seriously.

I'm actually done with LUV for now.

VOTE: Gamma

The fact that so many people townread me and yet he doesn't makes him Town.


This is a fallacy, scum will try to get people who are town read by the majority --> lynched
Especially PP's reply to your comment is terrible. He scum reads you and is okay with you town reading him. He doesn't accuse you or buddying.
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Post Post #347  (isolation #28)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:28 am

In post 263, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 174, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 168, Shadow_step wrote:So, do you believe eagersnake?


Have no reason not to at this point. How about you?

In post 168, Shadow_step wrote:What is your current read on him?


Null. Yours?


This is a very safe stance
How can you believe him and not town read him even if slightly ?

Like mafia ascetic is very strong modifier for mafia, unless you believe that town would have those many PRs to counter that.
Hence you null read him. But I doubt you would have thought that much.
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Post Post #363  (isolation #29)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:32 pm

VOTE: Pp
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Post Post #371  (isolation #30)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:37 pm

Flail scum flail
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Post Post #374  (isolation #31)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:39 pm

In post 366, nn30 wrote:
In post 128, Shadow_step wrote:Naked voting is Pro scum. ^


In post 363, Shadow_step wrote:VOTE: Pp


Dude...

Why would it be directed to you ? Are you scum?
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Post Post #379  (isolation #32)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:41 pm

374, quote shouldn't be there, was directed at Maria
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Post Post #381  (isolation #33)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:42 pm

In post 377, nn30 wrote:
In post 364, eagerSnake wrote:That's L-1.


No it wasn't.

Shadow was already on PP - check the vote count on the top of the page.


Whyyyyyyy, just when I was getting more town reads.
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Post Post #386  (isolation #34)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:45 pm

In post 379, Shadow_step wrote:374, quote shouldn't be there, was directed at Maria


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Post Post #390  (isolation #35)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:47 pm

I didn't fake hammer, eager did.
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Post Post #397  (isolation #36)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:49 pm

Like nn30 is ob town after that. Unless he is a very good scum player. I'll have to check his games to make sure.

@nn I was already voting PP and I had given reasons to vote him.
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Post Post #399  (isolation #37)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:52 pm

I would call Maria prob town but she is so good at faking town reactions I'm not gonna town read her for this.
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Post Post #400  (isolation #38)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:54 pm

In post 398, MariaR wrote:N30 has been obv town since the start of this.

The fact gamma isn't obv town when I've obv town read him before is worrying

the LUV townreads make me laugh.

I'm gonna look more into a few players that don't need names but with the amount of people I am slowly going like "you can be town" these players are....


If penguin is scum, LUV is town.
I do agree on that town reading LUV is kinda dumb.
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Post Post #401  (isolation #39)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:56 pm

@Eager what did you learn from that hammer?
What are you current reads?
Even a readlist with one line explanations would be fine.
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Post Post #413  (isolation #40)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:36 pm

In post 404, nn30 wrote:
In post 397, Shadow_step wrote:Like nn30 is ob town after that. Unless he is a very good scum player. I'll have to check his games to make sure.

@nn I was already voting PP and I had given reasons to vote him.



@Shadow_Step - You're not getting out of this by town reading me. So many people have done that already that it's about the safest thing in the world to do.

I would like responses to 366 & 395.

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I've already answered that?
I was already voting PP because I didn't like his stance on the eager claim. He said he believed it and said he read him as null. Which was very safe. I'll get into the details of this later.

I got a town read off of you after that hammer because I think as scum you would attack me for hammering someone prematurely amongst other things .
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Post Post #415  (isolation #41)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:37 pm

@eager stop ignoring my questions.
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Post Post #418  (isolation #42)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:44 pm

In post 416, eagerSnake wrote:Are they important questions to the current gamestate? (i.e. on-topic)


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Post Post #511  (isolation #43)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:33 pm

Hmm, still time.
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Post Post #524  (isolation #44)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:47 pm

Calling me a VI? Okay that is just bullshit.
Esp since you have no idea with am I talking about.
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Post Post #526  (isolation #45)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:51 pm

At the right time.
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Post Post #553  (isolation #46)  » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:18 pm

I agree that Gamma's read progression is weird.
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Post Post #554  (isolation #47)  » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:21 pm

Wouldn't want to be on a wagon with PP though.
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Post Post #583  (isolation #48)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:03 am

In post 581, eagerSnake wrote:Because only scum find no-one suspicious

Seriously, vote.


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Post Post #640  (isolation #49)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:37 pm

Okay I've waited long enough for everyone to catch up and provide content so they'd be easier to sort.
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Post Post #642  (isolation #50)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:42 pm

In post 121, Shadow_step wrote:This game just got easy .

In post 122, Shadow_step wrote:Kidding lol

Hello eager, do you have any early reads?

Anyone else can also answer this.



Eager is probably a goon and would be doing most of the kills and hence might have the biggest chance of getting caught so he claimed to have ascetic.

I'm town ascetic.
First thing I did after reading Eager's claim was confirm with the mod that he sent me the right role PM.
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Post Post #646  (isolation #51)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:47 pm

These are my reads

Town
(nn30, Zoronos)
(Grendel, boring)
(DF, implosion)
(Maria, LUV)
(PP, GE)
(Eager)
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Haven't read prisms latest posts so I'll sort him later.
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Post Post #649  (isolation #52)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:49 pm

Implosion is the only one who thought Eager was scummy with his claim which is very important and must be noted. That caused my earlier town read on him.
But it could be just that he is his buddy and inside knowledge and all that.
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Post Post #653  (isolation #53)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:53 pm

Hard claiming town ascetic

Is that enough maria?
You very well know that I don't bs with claims.
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Post Post #655  (isolation #54)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:55 pm

In post 650, nn30 wrote:
In post 642, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 121, Shadow_step wrote:This game just got easy .

In post 122, Shadow_step wrote:Kidding lol

Hello eager, do you have any early reads?

Anyone else can also answer this.



Eager is probably a goon and would be doing most of the kills and hence might have the biggest chance of getting caught so he claimed to have ascetic.

I'm town ascetic.
First thing I did after reading Eager's claim was confirm with the mod that he sent me the right role PM.


That's a bold claim there.

This means that

1) Eager Snake intentionally chose an obscure role.
2) The mod also chose this obscure role to give to you.

I find that scenario extremely unlikely.


He is gambiting scum. It is as simple as that.
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Post Post #671  (isolation #55)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:05 pm

Lol look at how eager is treating me as town. He is 100% scum.
2 town ascetics is so bastard don't get me started on it. Nobody would approve such a setup.
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Post Post #679  (isolation #56)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:10 pm

In post 654, eagerSnake wrote:Lol. Why are you waiting until now to bring up that you're Ascetic?

Why aren't you considering the possibility of 2 Town having Ascetic?


We don't win by lynching just you. We need to find who your buddies are.
I wasn't doing to have a day where all we do is lynch you and have no info. Nice try though.
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Post Post #692  (isolation #57)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:34 pm

In post 690, nn30 wrote:
In post 122, Shadow_step wrote:
Hello eager, do you have any early reads?



The first time you do something worthwhile in the game - you question Eager. Consistent with a legit CC.

But then you do nothing with that information. If I knew, from page one or whenever Eager was scum, I'd use him as town-dar. If Eager is scum, I'd assume that any early game wagon he was on was on a townie. Right now, PP is on your scum list (just above Eager).

You even tried to scum hunt penguin.

This means that in addition to the low chance that:

1) Snake chose an obscure modifier
2) The mod also gave you an obscure modifier

You also believe

3) Eager intentionally bussed his partner (penguin), participated in a wagon that could have lolhammered him, pretended to lolhammer him, and then kept his vote there the rest of the game

You're living in a fantasy land.

VOTE: Shadow_Step

Here's some circumstantial evidence that I feel is weaker than what I just presented, but could be relevant.

In post 124, Shadow_step wrote:
1. Mafia, cause I love the wifom. But I probably play better as town.



Your RQS answer (what's your favorite alignment) could be seen as you telling us you're the kind of player who would CC as scum. You're fine putting the game on a coin flip.

In post 7, Shadow_step wrote:Scum have day chat hence all the fast confirmations huh.


The only type of game where scum would gamble on a CC day one is one where they have day chat. The reaction would have to be coordinated. Maybe you had an idea and your scum buddies decided to run with it. You acknowledge that scum chat exists right here.


The fake hammer was purely for town cred by Eager. He knew I already was on the PP wagon so my vote didn't count. I was individually scum reading PP for reasons stated. I also wanted to see at what stage if any does Eager jump on the PP wagon.
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Post Post #693  (isolation #58)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:37 pm

I've been hinting at it all game. Nn is an idiotic townie who can only see what's at the surface :roll:

This is standard play when you have a guilty on someone. You try to get reads out of them so that you can easily find out who is most likely their buddy.
On the phone right now so maria can you link to 649?
I had a guilty on maria on night 1. Day 2 I didn't start the day screaming Maria scum maria scum. I pushed her for reads.
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Post Post #696  (isolation #59)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:40 pm

He's fucking parked on boring and has done with his vote, where the fuck is he scum hunting his buddy?
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Post Post #697  (isolation #60)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:42 pm

In post 695, nn30 wrote:
In post 693, Shadow_step wrote:I've been hinting at it all game. Nn is an idiotic townie who can only see what's at the surface :roll:

This is standard play when you have a guilty on someone. You try to get reads out of them so that you can easily find out who is most likely their buddy.
On the phone right now so maria can you link to 649?
I had a guilty on maria on night 1. Day 2 I didn't start the day screaming Maria scum maria scum. I pushed her for reads.



That's just it.

You pushed Eager for one read, which he gave you basically nothing on, and then you gave up.


Just iso me and see how many times I've asked eager for reads.
I even bloody softed it, 'this game just got easy" when I read Eager's claim.
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Post Post #704  (isolation #61)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:54 pm

In post 700, nn30 wrote:
In post 693, Shadow_step wrote:I've been hinting at it all game. Nn is an idiotic townie who can only see what's at the surface :roll:

This is standard play when you have a guilty on someone. You try to get reads out of them so that you can easily find out who is most likely their buddy.
On the phone right now so maria can you link to 649?
I had a guilty on maria on night 1. Day 2 I didn't start the day screaming Maria scum maria scum. I pushed her for reads.


I'm idiot town who has been tunneling the person who is one slot above snake on your scum list. Uh huh.


Did you even read my read list. :facepalm:
I have you as top town
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Post Post #708  (isolation #62)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:56 pm

In post 701, eagerSnake wrote:Only reason he has me as scum is because we have the same modifier lol


It is the same thing, works the same way at night. It is way too bastard to be in a normal game.
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Post Post #710  (isolation #63)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:58 pm

In post 706, MariaR wrote:Both are town can we lynch boring yet

maybe implo or fire also?



Nooooo wtf, boring is a terrible lynch. Look at eager v boring interactions. Boring is most likely town.

Now can you vote Eager?
Two town ascetics are impossible.
Even two ascetic role modifiers are impossible.
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Post Post #713  (isolation #64)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:02 am

Nn just answer me this simple question.
Why the hell am I making the lynch between eager and me only, as scum.

I'll wait for the answer.
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Post Post #716  (isolation #65)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:05 am

Brilliant answer. /s

I don't dig my own grave as scum.
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Post Post #719  (isolation #66)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:06 am

In post 715, eagerSnake wrote:I already said you probably wouldn't... why would I say that as scum, rather than just challenge you?


Cause you will be fucked after my flip
You need to keep me alive for you to be kept alive.
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Post Post #722  (isolation #67)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:08 am

I didn't do that because they had day chat. If I had made it so obvious. He would have advised his buddies to play in a certain way.
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Post Post #729  (isolation #68)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:12 am

Maria just check any amount of mini normals you want and see if town have a double of any role. Unless they have odd/even modifier.
A double role is insanely bastard, because town will think that atleast one is scum, lynch one, they will flip town, then they will lynch the other who will also flip town.
Never mind ascetic which is very high neg utility.
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Post Post #737  (isolation #69)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:16 am

In post 720, nn30 wrote:
In post 702, MariaR wrote:For shadow:

Open 646 he did the same thing

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=67549


I read him starting day 2 of that game - after he got the cop claim on MariaR - he straight tunneled her. Like, "if you ISO me it's pretty obvious this was the cop in hindsight."

Since pointing out that Snake had the same role as him, he's listed snake as his top scum, and then fought with me a bunch. He made 0 effort to move the conversation over to Snake (his top scum).

In post 722, Shadow_step wrote:I didn't do that because they had day chat. If I had made it so obvious. He would have advised his buddies to play in a certain way.

In post 731, nn30 wrote:
In post 722, Shadow_step wrote:I didn't do that because they had day chat. If I had made it so obvious. He would have advised his buddies to play in a certain way.


You're giving far too much credit to them sniffing you out.

nn I've been hinting at it since eager claimed. If you don't believe me because you are so daft. I can't help it.
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Post Post #739  (isolation #70)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:19 am

I got townreads. I'm almost 100% sure that boring is town because of your interactions.

And that these shouldn't be bothered at night by PRs[zoronos, nn, grendel, boring]
Actually I'd even go as far as saying that DF is town. But that is a meta read so meh
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Post Post #741  (isolation #71)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:22 am

Maria if you are town you are setting yourself to be lynched after eager flip.
You'll be an easy mislynch for scum. Stop it
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Post Post #742  (isolation #72)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:23 am

In post 740, eagerSnake wrote:OK well I'm town so what does that mean to you


No you're not. I'll stop playing mini normals if you are.
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Post Post #753  (isolation #73)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:35 am

I'm not lynching anyone but eager today.
If there are two ascetics. This game is bastard.

So I'd rather believe eager is scum than this game is bastard.
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Post Post #757  (isolation #74)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:40 am

I'm only stubborn when I'm 100% of scum.
Not otherwise.
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Post Post #789  (isolation #75)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:51 am

In post 786, implosion wrote:Maria I think also is coming away from this a lot townier than before.
Unvote
VOTE: boring


Wtf is this shit????
Boring is town
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Post Post #793  (isolation #76)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:55 am

Look at how eager has been town reading people for little to no reason whatsoever.
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Post Post #796  (isolation #77)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:58 am

Snake IS scum, he didn't claim ascetic, he claimed having ascetic modifier because that doesn't give him protection from being watched doing the kill etc.
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Post Post #800  (isolation #78)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:04 am

In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.

nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:
In post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.

but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? Finally
In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
is a trademark scum post.

Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town.I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.

In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?

Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.



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Post Post #801  (isolation #79)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:08 am

In post 798, implosion wrote:
Shadow wrote:Snake IS scum, he didn't claim ascetic, he claimed having ascetic modifier because that doesn't give him protection from being watched doing the kill etc.

He claimed an ascetic modifier rather than ascetic because he doesn't want scum to know that he isn't a power role... or because he's an ascetic power role and wants to claim honestly.

His play makes complete sense if he's town.


?????
Doesn't want scum to know he is a PR? What kind of town lies wtf
Ascetic PR is useless. If they want him to be unable to be protected by doc they would give him the machp modifier. What is the point of an ascetic PR and a town ascetic?
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Post Post #810  (isolation #80)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:19 am

No matter what anyone says we are only lynching eager today. I don't see two town ascetics at all.
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Post Post #816  (isolation #81)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:26 am

In post 811, implosion wrote:The point isn't the game size, it's that it happens in normals. He's claiming that it's bastard; it's very simply not bastard to have a setup like that in a normal with this site's current meta.

In fact it's almost a point in favor of them both being town that podoboq, the mod, was one of the macho townies in that game; it seems likely that he saw that component of the setup design, liked it, and reinterpreted it for whatever setup we have here to get two town ascetics.

But the fact that the examples I can think of off the top of my head happen to be larges isn't important; what's important is that they're games that were judged normal on mafiascum.


Show me a game with 2 town ascetic and I *might* reconsider.
Macho is not a neg utility like ascetic so this doesn't apply.
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Post Post #819  (isolation #82)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:27 am

And I mean a mini normal game.
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Post Post #830  (isolation #83)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:58 am

In post 823, implosion wrote:
shadow wrote:Show me a game with 2 town ascetic and I *might* reconsider.
Macho is not a neg utility like ascetic so this doesn't apply.

Three things.

One, please take a step back for a moment. The fact that you're saying you *might* reconsider if I show you very direct proof that you are wrong means you are being way too goddamn stubborn right now.
Two, there's a first time for everything. I'm not going to look through a thousand mini normals to find a game that has precisely two ascetics; it quite possibly hasn't happened, I have no idea if it has. That, again, does not make it bastard.
Three, ...what? Macho is straight-up a negative utility role. It's probably the single closest modifier to ascetic.

And @zoronos, site meta is very important when shadow's primary line of thought is "X would be bastard on this site, and this is a normal game, therefore X cannot be happening in this game." The first premise is flawed because he doesn't understand site meta.


one thing, I'd rather lynch Eager and be wrong than be wrong and not lynch ob scum.
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Post Post #831  (isolation #84)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:04 am

Yeah, just checked 20 games in the archive and not a single double role for town, forget such negative utility.
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Post Post #832  (isolation #85)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:06 am

In post 823, implosion wrote:Three, ...what? Macho is straight-up a negative utility role. It's probably the single closest modifier to ascetic.


No, it is used to stop, follow the cop. Nobody would claim Macho cause that person would most likely be a cop.
Whereas ascetics have to claim day 1.
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Post Post #840  (isolation #86)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:38 am

In post 839, eagerSnake wrote:Pp why do you.not already have rope if I'm scum I would followed the crowd screaming for your death earlier lol

Seriously, I'm town, get over it


Most ridiculous defense ever.
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Post Post #846  (isolation #87)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:44 am

In post 844, nn30 wrote:He's spent the whole game scum reading Eager. Why is the person Eager has parked his vote on on SS's scum list?


What the fuck are you talking about??
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Post Post #854  (isolation #88)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:56 am

In post 849, nn30 wrote:Eager almost got PP killed.


No he didn't, it was a fake hammer.
The VC was in the page top itself I think.
Scum have day chat, he could have organised it.
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Post Post #855  (isolation #89)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:56 am

It was not even a fake hammer, it was a fake l-1, jesus.
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Post Post #856  (isolation #90)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:57 am

Also I hope you are aware of a term called "bussing"
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Post Post #860  (isolation #91)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:07 am

In post 859, nn30 wrote:Bussing with nothing to gain is overrated. Especially on day one.


You say it is overrated but you are the one who thinks they cannot be buddies because of that, when my whole iso makes sense with what I'm saying. You'd rather believe that I am scum because PP is in my scum list.
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Post Post #861  (isolation #92)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:09 am

GE is avoiding the thread, probably is his buddy.
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Post Post #865  (isolation #93)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:35 am

In post 862, Gamma Emerald wrote:V/LA you fuck


So you are reading and posting in other games and your defense is VLA, yeah fuck off with that.
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Post Post #869  (isolation #94)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:43 am

In post 863, nn30 wrote:1) Please, explain your reads in the context of people's interactions with Eager. I've been harping PP but I also disagree with a lot of this list in that context as well. I want your scum explanations as well as your town explanations. If this play of yours is legit, you've done very little with it so far (beyond pushing Eager).


He hasn't taken much stance over any wagon and thrown cheap town reads. I've tried to push him for reads without giving much away but he hasn't had those many interactions with people so as to get a definite read on them except boring.
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Post Post #871  (isolation #95)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:45 am

In post 863, nn30 wrote:2) Why did you choose to claim now?


Couple of things, I was going to claim day 1 anyway because it is a neg utility.
I wanted to give us enough time to discuss it before deadline. No way I was going to keep it two days from deadline etc.
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Post Post #873  (isolation #96)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:50 am

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Post Post #874  (isolation #97)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:50 am

In post 863, nn30 wrote:3) How do the interactions between Snake / Boring indicate that Boring is town?


I will get into this later.
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Post Post #906  (isolation #98)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:12 pm

In post 885, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.


Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?
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Post Post #909  (isolation #99)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:20 pm

In post 885, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.

nn you are seriously thick.
This is day 1. I tried several times for reads from eager. He either kept giving in related responses or avoiding it all together and he was getting away with all of it cause lol day 1. What the hell did you expect me to do ask his read on every player till he does, keep shouting at him? You are being extremely unreasonable.
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Post Post #910  (isolation #100)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:25 pm

OMG nn you are biggest dumbfuck ever.
You want me claim ascetic on day 6?
Or, " I don't have enough info yet, so let's on scum eager live another day and lynch someone else." That's what you expect me to do? Are you that fucking dense?
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Post Post #914  (isolation #101)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:54 pm

We'll see about that after we lynch eager.
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Post Post #915  (isolation #102)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:54 pm

That was in response to Prism ^
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Post Post #920  (isolation #103)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:57 pm

I think it's obvious why Eager has given up and is not pushing anyone(he believes he is town so he should be pushing his scum reads regardless of the wagon on him). It is because he doesn't want to give us insight into who might/might not be his buddies.
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Post Post #921  (isolation #104)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 885, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.


Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?


It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.


Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?
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Post Post #923  (isolation #105)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:04 pm

I have no idea how that comes across as buddying.
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Post Post #938  (isolation #106)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:16 pm

In post 933, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking boring and Shadow are scumbuddies.
VOTE: Shadow_step


Scum buddy confirmed.
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Post Post #939  (isolation #107)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:18 pm

Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.
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Post Post #944  (isolation #108)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 941, nn30 wrote:
In post 910, Shadow_step wrote:OMG nn you are biggest dumbfuck ever.
You want me claim ascetic on day 6?
Or, " I don't have enough info yet, so let's on scum eager live another day and lynch someone else." That's what you expect me to do? Are you that fucking dense?


I absolutely expect you to do that.

Sacrificing a townie so that you can identify more scum is absolutely good play.


No its not

Lynching ob scum is always better than taking a shot in the dark
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Post Post #948  (isolation #109)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:26 pm

GE/Eager scum team. Calling it right now. Not sure who Tue 3rd wheel is.
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Post Post #952  (isolation #110)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:30 pm

Can you fuck off? Thanks
I've already said I'd rather Lynch you and be wrong than not lynch you and find out you were scum. End of story
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Post Post #954  (isolation #111)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:31 pm

And last line is BS. I haven't based all my reads on you being scum.
Nice try though.
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Post Post #959  (isolation #112)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:35 pm

In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 885, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.


Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?


It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.


Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?


I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.


Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmao
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Post Post #960  (isolation #113)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:36 pm

In post 958, eagerSnake wrote:You've literally spent the entirety of this game looking for "my buddies" which don't exist, forming your reads based on my interactions with other players while looking at me through rose tinted glasses. I.e. forming reads based solely on the false assumption that I'm scum


You've barely made any noticeable interactions. Only my boring town read is based on you being scum.

#epic_fail scum
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Post Post #963  (isolation #114)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:40 pm

In post 957, nn30 wrote:
In post 944, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 941, nn30 wrote:
In post 910, Shadow_step wrote:OMG nn you are biggest dumbfuck ever.
You want me claim ascetic on day 6?
Or, " I don't have enough info yet, so let's on scum eager live another day and lynch someone else." That's what you expect me to do? Are you that fucking dense?


I absolutely expect you to do that.

Sacrificing a townie so that you can identify more scum is absolutely good play.


No its not

Lynching ob scum is always better than taking a shot in the dark


I'm not saying take a shot in the dark over Eager.

I'm saying you should have let Eager live for a while so that you have some shots in the dark ready for after we kill Eager.


We only have seven days out of which some people keep prod dodging for couple of days. I wanted enough time.
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Post Post #964  (isolation #115)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:41 pm

GE is still scum, boring will be null.
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Post Post #967  (isolation #116)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:45 pm

No way.
Lynching scum is always better and interactions with eager doesn't lock anyone as scum. Its a good way to find out but its open to interpretation. There is no way I'm not lynching ob scum when I have a usless fucking role as CC. If I was cop or something I'd wait yeah, not with this garbage ascetic.
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Post Post #968  (isolation #117)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:47 pm

In post 965, eagerSnake wrote:Okay, and when I flip town, how do you intend to survive tomorrows lynch?


We'll see. If I get lynched so be it.
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Post Post #969  (isolation #118)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:48 pm

This is like the most open and shut case ever and people are creating a counter wagon on boring. Like this is the heights of hoplessness.
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Post Post #971  (isolation #119)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:52 pm

I don't care.
You cannot scare me even the slightest stop trying.
Town will have one more ML if we both are town ascetics and town will be loaded with a lot of PRs if that is the case so I'm not worried at all.
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Post Post #976  (isolation #120)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:58 pm

We have GE scum after Eager scum don't worry.
And I certainly didn't contradixt myself.
I had tried over the past 7 days to not much avail. What was going to change in the next 7? Probably nothing. I didn't see the need to hold this back further.
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Post Post #978  (isolation #121)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:03 pm

If I'm a mafia ascetic why the hell am I ccing town eager? There are much more convenient fks to claim incase someone gets a no result on me. Hider, commuter being a few examples.
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Post Post #985  (isolation #122)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:10 pm

In post 979, MariaR wrote:STOP LYNCHING IN THESE CLAIMS BOTH ARE TOWN AND LOOK OUTSIDE IT (I'm catching up so if you are great if not PLEASE)


Look at any mini normal and see if you find a role given to two people.
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Post Post #987  (isolation #123)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:12 pm

This boring wagon is ridiculous as hell when we have confscum eager.
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Post Post #988  (isolation #124)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:13 pm

That was a special case because of what you said. Every action was night two.
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Post Post #991  (isolation #125)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:17 pm

No, DF and Grendel will hopefully vote Eager then prism and zoro will need to hammer.
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Post Post #993  (isolation #126)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:19 pm

In post 989, eagerSnake wrote:Maybe this is a special case?

Why is boring scum? Instead of she us dangerous as scum. Everyone seems to be wanting to lynch her out of fear. Pussies
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Post Post #996  (isolation #127)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:21 pm

Why are they his scum buddies?
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Post Post #999  (isolation #128)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:23 pm

GE's reason is BS and so is Eager's. Difference in perception of something doesn't mean boring is scum.
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Post Post #1001  (isolation #129)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:24 pm

In post 998, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 994, nn30 wrote:
In post 992, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 991, Shadow_step wrote:No, DF and Grendel will hopefully vote Eager then prism and zoro will need to hammer.

If Eager is scum, Dier and Grendel are likely partners.


How so?

The fact Eager didn't really interact with either of them. I will admit this perception is colored by my read on Dier.


Lololololololol
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Post Post #1004  (isolation #130)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:26 pm

Didn't interact = scum buddies hahhhahahahahhahahahaha
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Post Post #1007  (isolation #131)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:28 pm

In post 1002, MariaR wrote:Shadow why am I not snakes buddy when I'm the one hardcore defending him?


Let me finish laughing first :lol:

Because I can see you doing this as either alignment.
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Post Post #1011  (isolation #132)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:31 pm

Maria the only lynch that is acceptable today is eager. There is no other way to resolve this.
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Post Post #1017  (isolation #133)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:34 pm

In post 1010, nn30 wrote:
In post 999, Shadow_step wrote:GE's reason is BS and so is Eager's. Difference in perception of something doesn't mean boring is scum.


This defense is BS.


?? You seriously make me wanna bang my head on the wall.
Have you seen why GE is voting boring? Because she perceived my play as aggressive, he doesn't see it as aggressive. So boring must be scum, how does that even make sense?
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Post Post #1019  (isolation #134)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:36 pm

In post 1014, MariaR wrote:The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646


I'm saying you are capable.
I don't know your meta, we only played one game where you were scum.
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Post Post #1022  (isolation #135)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:37 pm

Its not opportunistic. Eager has been cced. He is conf scum. Why is boring's vote opportunistic and not PP?
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Post Post #1028  (isolation #136)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:41 pm

In post 1020, MariaR wrote:
In post 1019, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1014, MariaR wrote:The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646


I'm saying you are capable.
I don't know your meta, we only played one game where you were scum.
Okay now this is true.

Can you please vote Eager now?
*makes puppy face*

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.
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Post Post #1032  (isolation #137)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:43 pm

In post 1027, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1022, Shadow_step wrote:Its not opportunistic. Eager has been cced. He is conf scum. Why is boring's vote opportunistic and not PP?

1) Eager was on her all day
2) Naked vote following a major case


That isn't what I asked.
Why isn't PP's vote also opportunistic?
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Post Post #1036  (isolation #138)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:46 pm

In post 1030, MariaR wrote:
In post 1028, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1020, MariaR wrote:
In post 1019, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1014, MariaR wrote:The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646


I'm saying you are capable.
I don't know your meta, we only played one game where you were scum.
Okay now this is true.

Can you please vote Eager now?
*makes puppy face*

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.
Pls not the puppy face
I don't see why eager would claim right at day start as scum
his logic seems to add up at least to me

Honestly I'm at the point where if boring doesn't flip scum I'm gonna take another look at snake I really think you're just wrong here.


Him gambiting makes more sense than two ascetics.
Let's just imagine I was a VT and he was mafia fking ascetic.
Look at the rewards, he gets townread till day 2 at least and won't be bothered at night.
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Post Post #1054  (isolation #139)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:07 pm

In post 1046, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 959, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 885, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.


Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?


It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.


Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?


I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.


Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmao


You're the one that's terrible my friend. The only case you have on Eager is that you cannot fathom that both you and him were given the same role. You either refuse or won't take into consideration a town motive for lying. If Eager had not claimed, your read on him would be null. You have no backup plan if he flips town and if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.


Its a straight up CC. There is no way town have the same two roles. Never mind having two ascetics which is insanely bastard. That's two slots on which the town PRs are wasting their NA on. You can check previous games.
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Post Post #1056  (isolation #140)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:10 pm

You don't take that into consideration when you balance a game.
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Post Post #1058  (isolation #141)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:15 pm

It simply doesn't work that way.
It us up to a player's discretion what he does with a neg role and the mod simply cannot assume that the player will claim it day 1 so it wouldn't make much of a diff and let me put another one in there.
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Post Post #1092  (isolation #142)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:11 pm

@Prism get back on eager.
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Post Post #1116  (isolation #143)  » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:26 am

DF can you park your vote on Eager for the time being? Thanks
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Post Post #1296  (isolation #144)  » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:08 pm

Wtf is eager doing on l-4?
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Post Post #1319  (isolation #145)  » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:58 pm

In post 1222, nn30 wrote:
In post 1221, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1219, MariaR wrote:Anyone on eagers wagon who can answer this:

Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?

Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?

Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?

Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?

Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?

Could be faking ascetic.


Could be, but less likely than him actually just being ascetic.

Assuming he's fake claiming at the start of day one is a stretch, especially for someone who's only been on the site a few months.


No it's not. Its become very common for neg utility to claim day 1 and then they get a free pass till day 3. Eager is maf who fucked up fking ascetic.
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Post Post #1320  (isolation #146)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:02 am

No point asking Eager for a full claim, he will probably claim a strong pro town role to draw a CC, so that his buddies can kill that player. No thanks.
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Post Post #1321  (isolation #147)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:05 am

In post 1197, eagerSnake wrote:Yay my first time being MLed as town


This is another scum flailing lie, he got mled in the last game we played together.
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Post Post #1338  (isolation #148)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:18 am

In post 1335, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1320, Shadow_step wrote:No point asking Eager for a full claim, he will probably claim a strong pro town role to draw a CC, so that his buddies can kill that player. No thanks.


We should absolutely ask for a full claim; if a PR dies to kill a scum, yay we killed a scum. There's basically no PR I wouldn't trade for a dead scum, especially a D1 dead scum.
I'm not nearly as LOCK SOLID SCUM KILL KILL as you are, and I think you need to appreciate that a lot of other players in this game aren't either. Trying to ram the lynch through as fast as possible is a bad plan.


I'm not trying to ram an eager lynch. The counter wagon on boring is bs and there is no real case on the slot.
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Post Post #1344  (isolation #149)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:32 am

Hmm I got my facts wrong. Eggman and eager were both useless I thought eager got lynched for the cult win.
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Post Post #1349  (isolation #150)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:26 am

Voting unvote isn't the correct format of unvoting.
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Post Post #1426  (isolation #151)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:05 pm

I was already on the PP wagon before voting snake and ccing later. As scum I don't have any real reason to do that.
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Post Post #1428  (isolation #152)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:18 pm

In post 1427, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Can you explain why you claimed at the time you did then?

Nn already asked me this question and I answered it. Only if you bothered to read the game.
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Post Post #1430  (isolation #153)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:22 pm

1. I was going to claim day 1 anyway cause of my role.

2. I wanted to give us enough time to discuss it.

3. Waiting any longer was pointless because there wasn't much progress over the last 7 days, snake was clearly coasting and wasn't going to have any real damning interactions with anyone.
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Post Post #1434  (isolation #154)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:04 pm

Nobody would have voted him for a coasting case on day 1. Come one

Use Occam's razor.
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Post Post #1435  (isolation #155)  » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:04 pm

On*
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Post Post #1477  (isolation #156)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:35 pm

LUV is unlikely to be scum, I know his play is terrible but that's more likely to come from VI. Scum have day chat.
Best course of action would be to bus eager.
I still think it's PP/GE/Eager.
Eager attacked boring but not PP(might be wrong on this have to cross check) for starughtaway jumping in his wagon after my CC.
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Post Post #1479  (isolation #157)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:37 pm

nn can you hammer then? I'm dying to see that red flip.
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Post Post #1482  (isolation #158)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:40 pm

I will get killed tonight, remember what I said about [boring, nn, Grendel, zoro, dier] all being town. Shouldn't be lynched and no need to waste night actions on them.
Eliminate LUV from that because of how he keeps scum reading me, its terrible scum play.
Eager's buddies are among the rest.
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Post Post #1483  (isolation #159)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:41 pm

@Grendel hammer away, you can catch up at night.
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Post Post #1491  (isolation #160)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:10 pm

In post 1485, nn30 wrote:@Shadow - I don't know where you got the idea you'd die tonight?


I'm 100% confident of eager red flip plus in my reads. I will be conf town after this and scum will kill me obviously.
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Post Post #1494  (isolation #161)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:19 pm

Bla bla bla you might as well self hammer, all this extra time to discuss is not good for your buddies.
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Post Post #1517  (isolation #162)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:38 am

Podo is online, go go go
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Post Post #1524  (isolation #163)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:16 am

lol, putting your buddies in there ain't gonna work
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Post Post #1525  (isolation #164)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:17 am

hammer hammer hammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post Post #1529  (isolation #165)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:21 am

Eager and I*
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Post Post #1530  (isolation #166)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:23 am

@LUV hammer, damn it
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Post Post #1543  (isolation #167)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:44 am

That's a weird kill.
Definitely made to frame boring.

VOTE: Implosion

This is scum

Also I'm sorry Eager.
Anyway I'm glad we got that out of the way early. Something like that on day 3 would be fucking terrible.
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Post Post #1545  (isolation #168)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:51 pm

Yes. But I haven't seen anything scummy from her to make me think she is scum. She believed my claim holy hell she must be mafia. No, it doesn't work like that.

What are your thoughts on implosuon?
Do you know why I'm voting him?
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Post Post #1548  (isolation #169)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:58 pm

I caused the day 1 mislynch?
Only scum should be disappointed after the day 1 lynch. If that had happened today or tomorrow. It would have been horrible for us.
Don't you dare tell me that you would have believed Eager's claim in my position.
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Post Post #1550  (isolation #170)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:04 pm

That is not defensive. Its frustration. You simply cannot see things clearly.

I'll answer your questions when everyone has posted.
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Post Post #1556  (isolation #171)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:21 pm

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.
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Post Post #1562  (isolation #172)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:25 pm

Don't think PP is scum either.

Scum would want to avoid wagoning eager.
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Post Post #1563  (isolation #173)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 1558, boring wrote:
In post 1556, Shadow_step wrote:Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Can you elaborate for the lazy among us?


Yes, tomorrow.
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Post Post #1568  (isolation #174)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:30 pm

In post 1560, Gamma Emerald wrote:So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?


LUV
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Post Post #1574  (isolation #175)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:35 pm

Anyone suggesting that we shouldn't have Lynched eager is too dumb or scum. Lynching anyone else wasn't the problem. Scum were going to keep both of us alive until we had to pl eager. So lynching eager was absolutely the right play.
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Post Post #1576  (isolation #176)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 1572, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1568, Shadow_step wrote:LUV

LUV was voting you until the very end and thought you were lying about being ascetic. You probably want to re-read.


That was later.
He initially said, "You(Shadow) are the one who doesn't believe in two town ascetics."
He then changed his stance conveniently.
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Post Post #1579  (isolation #177)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:45 pm

In post 1046, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 959, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 885, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.


Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?


It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.


Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?


I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.


Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmao


You're the one that's terrible my friend. The only case you have on Eager is that you cannot fathom that both you and him were given the same role. You either refuse or won't take into consideration a town motive for lying. If Eager had not claimed, your read on him would be null. You have no backup plan if he flips town and if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.


If he thinks I'm scum, I would obviously not consider Eager to be town. Why the hell would I? He then says that Eager could be lying town. Implying he knows eager I town. Lying as town is very risky. Not just in that game. But you can get blacklisted.
LUV treats me as if I am town here.

To be noted
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Post Post #1581  (isolation #178)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:50 pm

Okay so we are in day 4 lylo, with both Eager and I alive. Who do you lynch ?
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Post Post #1585  (isolation #179)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:56 pm

In post 1580, implosion wrote:Take this with a grain of salt because there's definitely a grain or two in there from my current mood: generally, shadow's reasoning for me being scum feels to me like it amounts to "I wasn't right yesterday, so no townie can POSSIBLY have been right yesterday."

which is, once again, projecting his feelings that eager was necessary to lynch at some point on to the whole game... I honestly would have loved to take both of them to endgame. I mentioned eager as one of my strongest townreads and fought his wagon for as long as it seemed like it would have any chance of actually doing anything for a reason. And it's honestly insulting for shadow to imply that there would be a point where we would "have to pl eager." I just on-principle disagree with that sentiment.

It's just absolutely infuriating to be called scum for having been correct about eagerSnake by the person who caused his lynch, won't admit that they caused his lynch, and is now continuing on to day two without even a tiny shred of humility or any indication that he's re-evaluating his view of the game in light of his by far strongest scumread flipping town. And yet he's still probably town.

Which is just infuriating.


This is not what I was thinking.
Scum believe claims more readily than town because they know that town generally don't have any motivation to lie.
Your reason to believe that we both were town ascetics was some what far fetched.
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Post Post #1603  (isolation #180)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:36 pm

Wait, gamma is still scum.
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Post Post #1605  (isolation #181)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:42 pm

VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #1607  (isolation #182)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:36 am

Zoro are you an alt?
I think gamma is scum because he was believing any vague stupid theories and voting people for shallow reasons without even thinking about it.
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Post Post #1674  (isolation #183)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:56 am

Not caught up yet.
Will do it later
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Post Post #1796  (isolation #184)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:41 am

Prodded

happy with where my vote is ATM, still not properly caught up. Will do it during the weekend. Just busier IRL
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Post Post #1817  (isolation #185)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:24 am

In post 1770, Gamma Emerald wrote:And as I said, me pre-defending myself on ties to Eager clears me.


What the hell does this mean?
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Post Post #1896  (isolation #186)  » Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:04 am

@Prism what are your current reads?
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Post Post #1920  (isolation #187)  » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:24 pm

UNVOTE:

Why did you investigate implosion ?
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Post Post #1921  (isolation #188)  » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:31 pm

Also even if Gamma is telling the truth, implo isn't clear.
Town cop would imply at least one mafia role which is immune to cop. We already have 2 ascetics. Nexus is not normal. GF is blacklisted. Leaves a traitor.
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Post Post #2022  (isolation #189)  » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:25 am

@mod, what result will a cop get on a traitor?
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Post Post #2032  (isolation #190)  » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:29 am

In post 2023, podoboq wrote:
In post 2022, Shadow_step wrote:@mod, what result will a cop get on a traitor?

Quoting from the Traitor page on the Wiki: "(In Normal games, a Traitor) gives a 'guilty' result to Cops, an 'innocent' result to Gunsmiths, and a 'Traitor' result to Role Cops."


So possibly a mafia commuter.
No result = mafia
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Post Post #2034  (isolation #191)  » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:42 am

Regardless you need to be watched tonight.
I would suggest you check between[nn, Prism]

I'm still confident in my DF and Grendel town reads.
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Post Post #2080  (isolation #192)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:50 am

In post 2070, Dierfire wrote:I've read through both PenguinPower and Lil Uzi Vert again. I don't find the depth of analysis that I find in other players (Prism, Zoronos, Grendel). In general I'd characterize this as not making effort to solve the game, which is suspicious.
I suppose that, if I trusted my reads on Prism, Zoronos, and Grendel, I'd start lynching by POE and drop a hammer on Lil Uzi Vert, but I'm reluctant to do so for two reasons.
First, the wagon on Shadow_step after the claim yesterday does not strike me as the sort of place to find a high density of Mafia players (it would have been far easier to vote for eagerSnake). This means that Lil Uzi Vert (and nn30) should be less suspicious than the other players I'm having difficulty reading (boring, PenguinPower). As a parallel to that, if nn30 is less suspicious, it becomes difficult to see why no suspicious players are voting for boring in the quoted VC.
Second, I don't really trust my reads on Prism, Zoronos, and Grendel. I have reasons to read each as Town but I'm simply finding it too good to be true that I've narrowed the Mafia players down so much.

In post 1150, podoboq wrote:
Official Vote Count 1.26
LynchingWith 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

boring (5): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion, Gamma Emerald, nn30
eagerSnake (4): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower, Grendel
PenguinPower (1): Dierfire
Shadow_step (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): Zoronos, Prism


V/LA: none

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)


My vote is for boring. I haven't seen many good reasons to read her as Mafia, but I've seen none to read her as Town and I think that the VC shows, at a minimum, Mafia players avoiding her wagon.

VOTE: boring


This is a very good VCA
Eagersnake, maria are town, consider Implo and GE town.
Boring wagon was all town? Unlikely
NN is prob scum
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Post Post #2081  (isolation #193)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:54 am

Intent to hammer LUV
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Post Post #2085  (isolation #194)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:04 am

I want to lock LUV into a claim, I think he is also scum.
I don't want the day to end prematurely no.
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Post Post #2092  (isolation #195)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:46 am

Brilliant, all the lynch baits got all the good PRs :/

VOTE: Nn
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Post Post #2095  (isolation #196)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:48 am

Uhhh wut
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Post Post #2096  (isolation #197)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:49 am

Mind=blown
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Post Post #2099  (isolation #198)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:54 am

Someone needs to unvote before luv self hammers.
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Post Post #2102  (isolation #199)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:01 pm

He will hammer cause he is scum.
Probably going bonkers in his at.
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