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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:27 am

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Gaspar wrote:He has been one of, if not
the
leading vote-getter all day, except right until now, and he asserts that a claim hasn't been necessary? If Saetel wasn't so damned stubborn, and if MBL/TSS didn't insist on putting their vote somewhere useless (sidenote: This fits with my meta on MBLscum, and I've definitely noted it -- assuming I survive the night, I'll actually go through and point out the specific reference to my meta on him, but for now I'll just point to Mr Stoofer's "Face-To-Face Mafia" in New York -- you can find it all there), you would probably be DEAD already. I mean, I know it doesn't matter because you're scum, but if you're town, you should have claimed long ago so we wouldn't be in yet
ANOTHER
single-digit-hours-to-lynchy situation with nothing in place.
Why would I want to claim if I were town? Why would I want to give the scum information I don't want them to have?
Zindaras, you are
OBVIOUSLY
content to let this town just sit around in their stubborn rifts. No claims, no lynches, keep on killing people off at night. And now, instead of doing something productive, you throw OMGUS at me less than 24 hours before day ends. I cannot believe that other players are so blind to this. It really seriously infuriates me.
My OMGUS is always very person-specific. Look at where these guys are on my Condorcet list: IH and Sarcastro are in the neutral camp, Pooky is even on the town side. This isn't OMGUS, Glorkybuns.
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68 Wins, 71 Losses
Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Cultivated: 4 Wins, 0 Losses
59 Survived, 31 Lynched, 60 Killed
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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:35 am

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Zindaras wrote:Why would I want to claim if I were town? Why would I want to give the scum information I don't want them to have?
I'm referring to what has happened over the course of the day, in response to your vote for me. My claims were not "defiant" if you were the leading vote-getter and most likely to get lynched at the time. Instead, you waited it out and now your scumbuddies are probably bailing you out.
Zindaras wrote:My OMGUS is always very person-specific. Look at where these guys are on my Condorcet list: IH and Sarcastro are in the neutral camp, Pooky is even on the town side. This isn't OMGUS, Glorkybuns.
The OMGUS referred to your vote for me (see above on why your reasoning is terrible/wrong -- the bad kind of OMGUS), and it's also a reference to your noted failure to just vote Pooky. There is ZERO reason for you to be the cause of a no-lynch today if you are town. One of the only reasons you would want a no-lynch today if you are scum is if Pooky is your scumbuddy. I don't understand why you're voting for me. It's OMGUS, and it is :nothelpful:


Between yesterday ("Logic claimed, so I made a decision in the end! I wasn't scummy for fence-sitting!") and today ("I didn't need to claim earlier, because
now
I'm not the most likely to get lynched!"), you seem to have a serious problem with thinking that the ends justify the means. I don't buy any of your crap, and I'm disappointed that so many others are just eating it up.
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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:42 am

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Gaspar wrote:The OMGUS referred to your vote for me (see above on why your reasoning is terrible/wrong -- the bad kind of OMGUS), and it's also a reference to your noted failure to just vote Pooky. There is ZERO reason for you to be the cause of a no-lynch today if you are town. One of the only reasons you would want a no-lynch today if you are scum is if Pooky is your scumbuddy. I don't understand why you're voting for me. It's OMGUS, and it is :nothelpful:
My vote will switch to Pooky, but I'm just stating my opinion.
Between yesterday ("Logic claimed, so I made a decision in the end! I wasn't scummy for fence-sitting!")
No, I wasn't. I've already linked you to a game where I did a lot worse as town. I'm not one to rush decisions, and
you should know that
.
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now
I'm not the most likely to get lynched!"), you seem to have a serious problem with thinking that the ends justify the means. I don't buy any of your crap, and I'm disappointed that so many others are just eating it up.
And I didn't have to claim today either, because at no point have I been close to a lynch.
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Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:48 am

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Zindaras wrote:
Between yesterday ("Logic claimed, so I made a decision in the end! I wasn't scummy for fence-sitting!")
No, I wasn't. I've already linked you to a game where I did a lot worse as town. I'm not one to rush decisions, and
you should know that
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Eh. If you're anything like me, you've played more than enough games to be able to say to literally anything "but I've done this as town." If you honestly think that waiting until a few minutes before deadline to lay a vote is good for a town, you're delusional. That is an
AWFUL
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other players need to have time to think and react to whatever decisions you make
. There is no opportunity to make objective post-lynch analyses here, like there was in that nightless game. Making a decision and not allowing a town to adequately talk about that decision is harmful to that town. Period.
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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:56 am

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Deadline:
Approximately 30 minutes from this post.

Vote Count:
6 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 4 (Dragon Phoenix, foolinc, Setael, Talitha)
Zindaras: 4 (Gaspar, IH, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro)
Gaspar: 1 (Zindaras)
Talitha: 1 (Silent Lee/the silent speaker)

Current Condorcet Winner:
None. Current Smith Set: Dragon Phoenix, Gaspar, IH, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro, Setael, Silent Lee/the silent speaker, Talitha, Zindaras

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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:57 am

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Oh, that VC remidns me of something else.

Another reason it's good to get your vote down early, Zindie, is that the rest of us can actually look up and plug in voting records to see if we're at a lynch yet. Right now, because I don't know how your vote is going to change, I have
NO IDEA
if "Zindaras moves to Pooky and nobody else changes" will lead to a lynch or not. Had you gotten your vote on record earlier, I (or any other player) would be able to see that quite easily.
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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:21 am

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If you vote Pooky, we get the required amount of people, Glorkybuns. So have fun.

Also, here are some tidbits from Gaspar's play (I wanted more, but I just realized we only have 10 minutes left, not 70. Stupid time zones)

This is pretty much his first mention of xyzzy. Up to then, he had him as completely neutral. While I agreed with him at that point, in retrospect this gives me a very bandwagony feeling.
Gaspar wrote:No changes to my Condorcet because I'm lazy, but if I made a change, I'd just bump Thesp up a little bit.
This is the kind of visible distancing-but-not-really that I so often see scum do.

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68 Wins, 71 Losses
Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:23 am

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Oh, by the way, Glorkybuns, you seem to have spent most of yesterday focusing on such great lynch targets as Mr. Grey, petroleumjelly, and Violet. Where'd that go?
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:33 am

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Final Vote Count:


PookyTheMagicalBear: 5 (Dragon Phoenix, foolinc, Setael, Talitha, Zindaras)
Zindaras: 4 (Gaspar, IH, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro)
Talitha: 1 (Silent Lee/the silent speaker)

Current Condorcet Winner:
PookyTheMagicalBear


Pairwise Results: 5-4, 6-1, 6-1, 7-1, 7-2, 6-2, 6-2, 5-4, 6-4, 7-1

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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:35 am

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Musical Interlude


Discussion between the guests is active throughout the day, only concluding with Saffron's appearance at sunset. Some guests, still somewhat confused over how the lynches are decided, wait anxiously to see whether they group has been successful in selecting someone to die.

"COMPUTING."

Saffron's eyelashes don't flutter like her predecessors. Instead, her head spins around several times in an anatomically impossible way.

"THE LYNCHEE IS... PookyTheMagicalBear."

The guests nod, and those most adamant about this choice surround their cuddly victim and ready the noose. Throughout their preparations, PookyTheMagicalBear is silent. Soon enough, the lynchee is standing on the platform, all noosed up and ready to go. The guests are ready to kick the platform away when there is a shout.

"Wait!"

The doors burst open, crashing against the walls, and the guests are somewhat surprised to see Mr. Grey appear - not so much because of his appearance itself, as he seems to always show up, but because he is slowing them down.

He ignores the other guests entirely and looks straight at the victim.

"You don't have anything to say?"

PookyTheMagicalBear remains quiet, accepting death bravely.

"Nothing?
The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore
?
Love Hurts
?
If I Could Turn Back Time
?"

Frustrated by the continued silence, Mr. Grey pulls out a gun, points it directly at Saffron's head, and blows her electronic brains out.

"
Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)
??"

One of the guests whispers:

"I feel like he is trying to tell us something. But I don't know what."

Mr. Grey shouts in annoyance, and walks back in the house, muttering about "writer's block" and "creativity" and "characters not cooperating". The guests get on with the business at hand. The platform is shoved aside, and PookyTheMagicalBear is left dangling in the wind - but with a dying breath manages to gasp out at the other guests:

"Could've... Been... You..."



Paris, 26 May 1839


"Two more bodies have been found today, again identified as among those who have been missing these past five days. One is that of a noble soldier I had the supreme pleasure of meeting on the morning prior to his disappearance - Maximillien Morrel. The other is the young Valentine de Villefort. Strangely, the two were found lying together, side by side and motionless, holding hands. Whether this apparent illicit love affair is related to their disappearance and subsequent deaths is unclear at this time." - M. Beauchamp



PookyTheMagicalBear (Cher, Innocent) has been lynched. It is Night 5. Deadline for choices is 22:30 GMT Monday.
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:30 am

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Jane Doe


The guests are once again gathered in the courtyard. They can see that foolinc is missing, and await his arrival - whether he is alive or Mr. Grey wheels out his body for them to see.

It turns out to be the latter. Mr. Grey and yet another android escort the corpse to the courtyard. One of the guests, however, doesn't seem interested in the identity of the body.

"What's her name, then?"

"What?"

"The android, there? She got a name?"

"No. Why do you ask?"

"Well, all the others, they had color names, yeah? I was just wondering what hers was. Since you seemed to be running out of good color names."

"It's not so much that I have run out of names, as that..."

He trails off.

"Well?"

"Well what?"

"It's not so much you've run out as what?"

"Oh. I just haven't named her yet."

"Probably because you haven't thought of a good name yet."

Mr. Grey sighs.

"Fine, fine, yes. I can't think of anything. I don't suppose you have any suggestions?"

"You could call her Coral."

"Too old fashioned. Besides, we've already had a Scarlett, it's too close."

"Beryl?"

"That's even more old fashioned, and even closer to Jade."

"Goldielocks?"

"Her hair isn't even gold. It's black."

"Orange?"

"Ok, now you're just being silly."

One of the other guests chimes in.

"What about Keira?"

"What about it?"

"It's a color name."

"Is it?"

"Means dark or black. In Gaelic."

"Hm. Keira... I like it. Ok then."

Mr. Grey turns to the android.

"Your name is Keira."

"SYSTEM LABEL UPDATED."

"Now then, can we get on with the business of the day? There's still a dead body I'd like you to meet."



foolinc (Doctor d'Avrigny, Innocent) has been murdered. It is Day 6. It will take 5 votes to lynch before the deadline, which is two weeks from this post.
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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:26 pm

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So it turns out Pooky was town. Who would've guessed? Besides all the people who were actually paying attention and trying to lynch the scum, of course.

Just to let everyone know, Gaspar and Zindaras are scumbuddies. I guarantee it.

By the way, I suspect that I may be daykilled. If this happens... well, hopefully you'll figure it out.

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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:08 pm

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Gotcha. My apologies for fighting the Zindaras wagon.
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:42 pm

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I agree with this lynch, but....

stop voting, as I have no clue how close we are to lylo, but I personally do not approve of a speed lynch this close until at least everyone checks in.

I'm pretty sure that, regardless of Zindies alignment, two-three scum gave themselves away on the pooky wagon btw.
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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:53 pm

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*checks into game with tail between legs*
Sorry pooks :(

I do believe Sarcastro, a scum wouldn't have felt the need to throw in the arrogant comment, but agree with IH about proceeding cautiously at this stage of game.
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:03 pm

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Impossible.

We're certainly at LyLo. Sarcastro is probably gambiting (though I suspect Zindaras is one of Sarc's scumbuddies so that he can gain credibility).

Before anything else happens, I want Sarcastro to claim fully. He is not going to wrangle a lynch today just by making a "guarantee."

If
the rest of the town
wishes it (i.e., a majority besides Sarc), I will claim before he does. I will say this: I think that my claim will be very clarifying for just about everybody, as far as this game goes.

I also want Setael to unvote simply on the basis that we're at LyLo, and she shouldn't be rushing into a decision if she's town.



Sarc, you really picked the wrong guy to try to gambit against. Had you picked somebody else, I would have quite happily gone along with you.
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:04 pm

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Talitha wrote:I do believe Sarcastro, a scum wouldn't have felt the need to throw in the arrogant comment
No, that's indicative of Sarc's personality. Read his sig. If you want more evidence of Sarc as an arrogant ass, I will go find further examples if I find myself with the time to do so.
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:45 am

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unvote. Didn't realize we were at lylo.

I thought Sarcastro was soft claiming cop. I'd like full claims from both of you.

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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:50 am

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Maybe we are at Lylo, but my vote is on scum, so I'm fine with it.

No, I'm not a cop, but the last 24 hours or so of the last day were very clarifying for me. Gaspar's vote for Zindaras looked very much like a weak bus attempt, and Zindy is obvscum.

You would have quite happily gone along with a "gambit" on someone else? What does that mean? You only think it's a gambit because of who I'm targeting?

I'm fine with claiming if people want me to. A Gaspar claim would be very nice, though. As would the Zindy claim that should have come yesterday (and would've, if it weren't for that absolutely terrible Pookywagon).

By the way, you can disregard that daykill comment.
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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:56 am

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.....Sarc and Gaspar may be scum together.

I need to review their interactions to see if my theory is supported with evidence, but I'm near certain most of the game they've mentioned that the other is scum, but not really followed up with a vote.
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:59 am

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In my opinion, pushing foolinc as a top suspect over the past few days was a sleazy move. Setael and Talitha are the two outliers in that camp. Keep an eye on them.

Gaspar is clearly scum. Zindaras is either scum or a careless townie, and either way he should be squeezed today, barring revelations. IH is town now, I'm pretty sure--I don't see him hugging the scuzzy Gaspar so tightly otherwise. I have little read on DP, so I'll scour his play and give you my opinion.

I think the kill choices and voting patterns should yield a ton of info this game, particularly because of the Condorcets. Speaking of which, Sarc, you're not doing us any favors by never entering a Condorcet. You make it easier for the 2-3 remaining dirtbags to push their candidates forward to the point where wagons are feasible. That's pretty much how Pooky died. He became "the viable candidate".
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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:02 am

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Er, hold that thought. IH, please work up that Sarc/Gaspar analysis, stat.
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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:26 am

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I never use Condorcet lists in other games, so why should I use one here? Note that the purpose you're suggesting Condorcets be used for (keeping track of where everybody ranks in scumminess) has nothing to do with the fact that they determine deadline lynches.

I'm not scum with Gaspar, because I'm not scum. There, I just saved you some work.

Am I the only one who kind of likes the idea of a massclaim, by the way?
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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:29 am

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Ugh, you idiots.

I am not scum. I am Neutral. My rolename is Auguste Maquet, and my win condition was twofold. I had to find and kill Dantes (which I did), and I have to survive. That's it.

"Mr. Grey" was Dantes. I put two and two together when LmL brought it up, and that's why I gunned so hard for his lynch. The following night, I checked to see if Grey was Dantes, and lo and behold, he was. I was informed by the mod that I had killed Dantes (who was actually posing as our lovely host, Mr. Grey). Note that the ensuing day, I dropped the Grey subject and Grey disappeared from Condorcets altogether. Since then, I've been playing to survive. Look for scum, but try not to find too much success.

I'm telling you all straight up, right now, that if somebody hits Lynch -1, I will hammer without hesitation. That's your fair warning -- if we hit scum, good for all of you. If not and the scums kill someone else, I win anyway.

Assuming you believe my claim (though I figure there will be at least one or two naysayers), I've done my job. You can't lynch me because based on numbers, I'd almost guarantee 3 Mafia, me, and 5 protown players left. Scum would nightkill and the town would lose. Mafia won't kill me because if they can wrangle a Lynch-1 situation on a townie, I hand them the victory.


Sarc, your claim that I was "weakly" busing Zindaras is ridiculous. I spent the better part of two days going primarily after Zindie, and I ridiculed people for not lynching him. I agree that his play has been terrible and that he's almost certainly scum. Hell, I've been stating it at least as long as anybody else around here.
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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:31 am

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Er check that, four protown players left. Go go math major.
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