What do you see in his reaction that is townish?
I'd appreciate anybody else who has a town read on Pengiun to explain why as well.
I don't really see it.
MariaR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:02 amI think you're looking into that a bit to much and overthinking I don't think that's what he was going for that seems way to smartnn30 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:41 am
Yep.
Also that from 247 - 261 he addresses a significant number of issues, but ignores the ones I've raised with him. The most he responds to me is by giving an explanation for why he hasn't posted in a while.
Apologizing for not posting for a while would have been a fine explanation - had he directed it at me. Instead, to me, it feels like he tried to slip an explanation under the radar without having to directly confront me on anything. THAT felt more scummy than the post pattern itself.
I do think you're town though for all this
Zoronos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:05 pmPenguin - Let's make the assumption of Bad Town for the moment, if only because I don't feel like digging into this more and would like to see what he contributes based on actual gameplay.
Who does that leave as your top scum read, other than LUV? (Again, putting LUV's unhelpfulness aside. Looking Actual scummy posting in thread)
Zoronos wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:22 amZoronos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:05 pmPenguin - Let's make the assumption of Bad Town for the moment, if only because I don't feel like digging into this more and would like to see what he contributes based on actual gameplay.
Who does that leave as your top scum read, other than LUV? (Again, putting LUV's unhelpfulness aside. Looking Actual scummy posting in thread)
I asked before LUV made his big post, but question remains relevant enough.
I guess with the secondary follow up - Your initial case on LUV was that he was non-contributory / not helping solve, do you feel that is still the case now that he wrote a [wall of words]? (Seems like your answer is Yes but I don't want to put words in your mouth)
PenguinPower wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:26 amZoronos wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:22 amZoronos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:05 pmPenguin - Let's make the assumption of Bad Town for the moment, if only because I don't feel like digging into this more and would like to see what he contributes based on actual gameplay.
Who does that leave as your top scum read, other than LUV? (Again, putting LUV's unhelpfulness aside. Looking Actual scummy posting in thread)
I asked before LUV made his big post, but question remains relevant enough.
I guess with the secondary follow up - Your initial case on LUV was that he was non-contributory / not helping solve, do you feel that is still the case now that he wrote a [wall of words]? (Seems like your answer is Yes but I don't want to put words in your mouth)
Original question: Gamma.
Follow up: I'd like to see LUV take a hard stance on something before I'm going to consider moving elsewhere.
Gamma Emerald wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:11 amOnly thing I really need to address is the OMGUS thing: it was a joke. And also, weren't you in Newbie 1739 too? Didn't you see Doom pull the exact same pre-defense shit?
Zoronos wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:56 amMariaR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:02 amI think you're looking into that a bit to much and overthinking I don't think that's what he was going for that seems way to smartnn30 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:41 am
Yep.
Also that from 247 - 261 he addresses a significant number of issues, but ignores the ones I've raised with him. The most he responds to me is by giving an explanation for why he hasn't posted in a while.
Apologizing for not posting for a while would have been a fine explanation - had he directed it at me. Instead, to me, it feels like he tried to slip an explanation under the radar without having to directly confront me on anything. THAT felt more scummy than the post pattern itself.
I do think you're town though for all this
Super busy day at work so I'm behind, but I agree with this sentiment.
NN30 sees himself as the focus of questioning / investigation and assumes that his target is considering his posts foremost when responding (assumes active neglect vs just not noticing / not caring). It reflects a stance wherein he believes everyone should be responding first and foremost to him; a responsibility seeking rather than a responsibility avoiding posture. He thinks his questions are super important and should always be answered, and that any avoidance of those questions is scum. Scum are happy to appear contributory, but this goes past simple appearance into active investigation attempt.
It's a 'Not considering equally plausible alternatives' fallacy, but this expression of the fallacy is much more likely to come from town than from scum, imo.
tl;dr active followup / active attempts to solve ergo leans towny.
I am reasonably pleased with what LUV posted over night and appreciate that he's taking a more active role in the game.
I need to find time to ponder Grendel more.
I still want a response from Penguin to my earlier question. Especially now that LUV made a big contribution post.
Gamma Emerald wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:23 amSo what are you more concerned with: the contradiction or my actions?
PenguinPower wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:26 am
Original question: Gamma.
Follow up: I'd like to see LUV take a hard stance on something before I'm going to consider moving elsewhere.