Mini Normal 1832 [game over]

[MariaR]

Also if I'm joat with a ninja one shot I would of used it n1 on Rask because rask was the most obv night kill for becuase obv af town not night 3 on whoever the f died

[Gear]

I'm joat with a ninja one shot I would of used it n1 on Rask

I think this is probably right.

The only explicitly normal role that I think a scum team would decide to use on the first night over the ninja is a rolestopper - if a rolestopper is allowed to self-target. Maybe rolecop if they had a strong guess of a possible pr, but I feel like that is pretty iffy.

What do you think of Ira saying that ecane hesitated to town-read ecane?

Mod: Can you clarify if a normal rolestopper is allowed to self-target

[Gear]

You think scum would have a JOAT

Maybe, why not?

How does the rask kill make more sense to me the rask kill made sense for EVERYONE holy **** you are are something else

Rask and you were at each others throats, and rask had this to say about Ira:

i think iraon is probably town and ecane was good too but lynching most active person in the game because of a day 1 association is so incredibly stupid

really quick check of iraon has him trying this another replace game and lynching scum so i guess he feels really confident and justified with the approach

[xyzzy]

Mod: Can you clarify if a normal rolestopper is allowed to self-target

certain roles specify whether, under Normal guidelines, a player with that role can or cannot self-target. I cannot at this time further disclose the precise functionality of roles that do not explicitly specify whether they can self-target or not.

[Gear]

Pretty sure that Rask, Maria and Jaack are town. I think I was right in calling psyche as a shitposter rather than as scum as well. Was townreading ecane, but would obviously like to see her replacement before putting that slot back into townblock.

I don't like the assumption that the ecane-slot would end up back in the town-bloc after her replacement contributed. It reads like she wouldn't have cared what Ira said.

[iraonavp]

Okay, Gear is scum-aligned then.

VOTE: Gear

It's mechanically extremely unlikely for MariaR to be scum-aligned unless she is JOAT with roleblocker and ninja on those specific nights... Rolestopper would give "no result" which BigYoshiFan specifically said it wasn't.

I thought MariaR was scum-aligned before, but I am not always right and hard evidence trumps it strongly.

And Gear was expecting Psyche to flip town-aligned, that's why he started pushing me yesterday... And now I think he is trying to take possible advantage if I immediately vote MariaR, like she was worried (but I wouldn't do it!). Also, in retrospect he was pretty clear confirmation biased to know it was only 2 scum-aligned players because it's a lot more obvious if you know the setup...

[Gear]

Unvote now

[iraonavp]

can you go into ecane?
you said you didnt understand the votes for maria so im wondering how you townread her for it

The vote looks like misguided town, 140 through 144 look super TvT to me and are a reason I am town reading Maria as well. Not sure that scum would be ballsy enough to vote 3 different people in their first 6 posts either. Do you think there's scum motivation there Rask?

I don't even remember what I was thinking because it was so long ago and I quickly dismissed it...

But this is the reason why I thought that probably, and Raskolnikov was thinking the same.

It doesn't matter anyway, it was obviously a mistake of who I replaced and Gear is trying to throw shade at me (and MariaR too) with anything!

[Gear]

If you're town, there is no reason to hurry this.

[iraonavp]

Unvote now

No, I refuse.

MariaR is 99% confirmed as town-aligned, if she is magically ninja roleblocker I will accept the loss because I would never vote someone cleared like that anyway.

[iraonavp]

If you're town, there is no reason to hurry this.

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

[Gear]

I'm proposing that if there is a Joat. They used role-stopper on N1, not the night Yoshi tracked her.

[Gear]

Okay then.

Vote: Iraonavp

If you're town, fuck you.

[iraonavp]

I know you are scum-aligned, and I am never unvoting!

What you are trying to convince me is literally 1% likely to be true that they would use actions on those specific nights. Ockham's Razor slices your throat as obvious mafia...

[iraonavp]

Here we can see Gear's plan of convincing me to misvote on tracker innocent, then it fails so he tries to mislynch me instead even though it's harder route.

[Gear]

Maria, notice that until now, Ira has had an open mind. He suggested that rask could have been vig'ed and that scum had a Joat. His approach to the game has changed today. He's abandoned this approach, and decided you are town to buddy you.

[iraonavp]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Now you are appealing to MariaR after trying to get me to vote her, which is what you are accusing me of only way worse and actually scum-aligned...

[Gear]

Here we can see Gear's plan of convincing me to misvote on tracker innocent, then it fails so he tries to mislynch me instead even though it's harder route.

Well not an innocent, but your scum so whatever

If you were town, you wouldn't feel the need to accelerate the day.

[Gear]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Now you are appealing to MariaR after trying to get me to vote her, which is what you are accusing me of only way worse and actually scum-aligned...

I am trying to figure out who is what, I do that by seeing how people react to things. You trying to suggest that is scummy is hilarious.

[Gear]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Not from where I am sitting, and it shouldn't be from where you are sitting either.

[iraonavp]

Here we can see Gear's plan of convincing me to misvote on tracker innocent, then it fails so he tries to mislynch me instead even though it's harder route.

Well not an innocent, but your scum so whatever

If you were town, you wouldn't feel the need to accelerate the day.

Gear can't believe this...

I voted Gear only because I was already 99% sure it was him, I don't care about day speed at all. Even if I did, how could it be indicative? Just facile nonsense...

It's just he knows MariaR will not hammer so he changed his priorities to mislynch me instead of her... It's such a weak reason and an excuse to switch reads.

[Gear]

I don't have a priority. That should be clear from my posts.

[iraonavp]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Now you are appealing to MariaR after trying to get me to vote her, which is what you are accusing me of only way worse and actually scum-aligned...

I am trying to figure out who is what, I do that by seeing how people react to things. You trying to suggest that is scummy is hilarious.

But you just accused me of doing the same thing!

Gear clearly is not reading me as scum-aligned for quick voting... It's just the moment I don't vote MariaR he has to duel me now.

[iraonavp]

I don't have a priority. That should be clear from my posts.

What?

[Gear]

Unvote, so I can finish reading without the threat of a hammer.