Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

As for why I townread Grendel, I guess it's just that this feels a lot like NPBR again.

[boring]

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Because I get bored going so long without a splash of color.

Shadow_step

- Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.

eagerSnake

- He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless

nn30

- Awkward, but in a townish way. Provides good observations.

Grendel

- His line of speculation appears faulty, but not scummy. Probably town.

Gamma Emerald

- Acting like he did in the last game, which was town.

Zoronos

- Still feels off, but in consistent ways. I'm beginning to suspect part of it is personality. Doesn't seem survival-oriented.

MariaR

- At least she admits that she's been coasting. No solid read yet.

DierFire

- The vote-and-disappear thing, even during RVS, is pretty scummy. His one post was decent.

Lil Uzi Vert

- I know people seem mostly over him now, but he's remains one of the scummier posters today. Might be personality.

Slandaar/Prism

- Because prod dodging with no content. Sub-outs are more likely scum than town.

implosion

- I get the impression that he's trying to blend in, and stay out of trouble. Reactive.

PenguinPower

- Bad votes, reactions lack a feeling of authenticity, posts lacking substance, and dismissive in a way that I only see with scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reads atm, not ordered by strentgh, just who I chose.
Implosion: town
boring: town
nn30: town
Grendel: town
Eager: null
LUV: null town
S_S: null scum
Maria: null
Zoronos: scum
PP: scum
Dierfire: null
Prism: null

[Gamma Emerald]

And boring just helped me explain part of my scum read on PP. He feels flippant in a scummy way.

[boring]

If we're developing a hive mind, I'm afraid for both of us.

[PenguinPower]

Ah jesus. I'm scummier than the prodger, Please just lynch me now and get this over with.

[Gamma Emerald]

Any doubts I had about PP just vanished.

[PenguinPower]

You're an idiot.

[PenguinPower]

Sorry...that was mean. Or non-idiot scum.

[boring]

@Gamma - why on earth do you have implosion town and Shadow_step scum? o_O

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait wtf I forgot I changed my mind on implosion; make my read on him null-town
As for ShadowStep, I want him to not be as tunnely.

[Grendel]

@Gren I think teamhunting is one of the worst things you can do sooo early in the game because some of the team may not have even posted a bunch so you'll be looking for an answer that can't be solved.

Well like I said, my D1 votes are one step away from tunnels. This has helped me from that by seeing if my top scum read isn't fitting with anybody I can conclude thay are town.

But this isn't super important discussion.

What thoughts can you share?

I get that you are a "hold the cards close" kind of player, but I kind of want to see how in tune we are.

As for why I townread Grendel, I guess it's just that this feels a lot like NPBR again.

When did you come to this conclusion?

I was top poster, and really loud there. Here I've just been "another voice". Where as I kickstarted NPBR to the point that I was the closed thing that town had to a leader D1.

I don't get how you could say I have been that big an influence to this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I came to that conclusion looking at NPBR for the unclaiming.

[Prism]

Hey everybody, I'm thrilled to join the game and can't wait to jump in.

That said, this is my busiest weekend of the year which makes it difficult to do so. I'll try to do a more comprehensive read on Sunday but for now I'm frozen in time at Page 12. In the meantime I'm going to VOTE: boring whose #196 left me wondering if she was trying to find inconsistencies or trying to find scum.

I really, really like Grendel's RVS questions and will likely steal them in the future, here are my answers:

1) What is your preferred alignment?

Town, I play to improve and it's by far my weaker side right now.

2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?

Yes, my scum game is comparatively much stronger than my town game. Mafia is not just a game of you vs. them but of you vs. your past self, and the moment you exceed expectations as mafia, you have instantly set the bar higher for the future. The difference in strength between my scum and town games is enormous, leading to me falling well below the bar most games I flip town.

3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?

Whatever it takes to win.

4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why?

So far I like LUV more than Shadow.

5) How excited are you for this game?

Very, it's been quite a long time since I've gotten to play a forum game.

Main read I got from the first 12 pages was that Zoronos was likely town.

[Dierfire]

@Zoronos

The rapid change between 221 (Grendel is either Town playing poorly or Mafia) and 242 (Grendel is Town) is also suspicious to me. While I agree that the last line of 241 sounds more like the kind of thing that Grendel would say as Town than as Mafia, the speed of reversal from the aggression in the earlier posts makes me believe that the aggression was feigned.

Why specifically is that change suspicious? He was clearly entertaining the possibility of town in 221 (you summarized it above, 'Town playing poorly or Mafia'), and Grendel posted a whole bunch in between those two posts. Explain your thinking to me.

In 221, PenguinPower is saying (as an immediate response to Grendel's post above) that the case that Grendel presents against PenguinPower is groundless, and that this makes Grendel either Town playing poorly or Mafia. The phrasing communicates a certain level of aggressive pushback. When I read 242, the aggressive pushback seems to have disappeared (while the essence of the argument that Grendel's suspicions are unfounded remains). To me, this suggests that 221 was intended to simulate an emotional reaction. I'm also not sure that I see anything from Grendel in the intervening posts that would persuasively point to Town alignment for someone who had such a strong feeling that Grendel was playing so poorly as to possibly be masking Mafia intent, but the tonal shift is the main point.

[Dierfire]

@MariaR

Consider my vote on PP for now I'm uneasy for some reason but that's where I feel like voting.

to fast a wagon for someone not very scummy nope not doing it

I'm aware that you've expressed reluctance to explain reasons for reads, but could you update me on where you are with PenguinPower?

VOTE: Gamma

oh no way am I letting you go
Pedit: wtfff

Also, I didn't understand this post. Was this a reaction to 365?

[Dierfire]

@Grendel

Does anybody have some hypothetical scum teams cooked up?

I can't I.D. third scum for my scum team and want to hear some interactions people may have caught between people.

A lot of people I originally thought could be with Penguin were, or are, on his wagon.

As I've outlined (351), I think that Gamma Emerald looks like a viable partner for PenguinPower. I also want to flag the quote below as suspicious, but I think that it's probably not productive to think too hard about this from an associative perspective right now.

Btw...not liking Slandaar right now. Hate. Absolutely hate. Prodging.

The timing is weird to me (¿why is the absence of Slandaar provoking absolute hate at this point?) and feels more like PenguinPower is looking for something to say than like PenguinPower has a real comment on Slandaar at this point.

[MariaR]

The more PP talks the more I get upsetish town then I do scum.
I can see boring as scum but the fact all there townreads besides gamma line up with mine for dif reason is somewhat worrying
I feel like there's a scum in LUV/Zoro

I also think just cause Luv is known as lynch bait doesn't mean we shouldn't try and get more out of him he's one of the players I feel like if he gets around lylo would personally scare me and I can't tell if I'm trying to make that into a sr or not.

[PenguinPower]

Wait wtf I forgot I changed my mind on implosion; make my read on him null-town
As for ShadowStep, I want him to not be as tunnely.

[boring]

Wait wtf I forgot I changed my mind on implosion; make my read on him null-town
As for ShadowStep, I want him to not be as tunnely.

You think he's scummy for tunnelling, or you just wish he'd act differently? Town tunnels all the time.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Grendel

Does anybody have some hypothetical scum teams cooked up?

I can't I.D. third scum for my scum team and want to hear some interactions people may have caught between people.

A lot of people I originally thought could be with Penguin were, or are, on his wagon.

As I've outlined (351), I think that Gamma Emerald looks like a viable partner for PenguinPower. I also want to flag the quote below as suspicious, but I think that it's probably not productive to think too hard about this from an associative perspective right now.

Btw...not liking Slandaar right now. Hate. Absolutely hate. Prodging.

The timing is weird to me (¿why is the absence of Slandaar provoking absolute hate at this point?) and feels more like PenguinPower is looking for something to say than like PenguinPower has a real comment on Slandaar at this point.

How are me and PP scum together?

[MariaR]

@Dier
The pedit was to the hammer
The Gamma vote was to that post yeah it rubbed me the wrong one like "A quick wagon that has little to no resistance I am 100% content with this yeah!

???????????

[PenguinPower]

The timing is weird to me (¿why is the absence of Slandaar provoking absolute hate at this point?) and feels more like PenguinPower is looking for something to say than like PenguinPower has a real comment on Slandaar at this point.

Um, because I noticed it then? Should I have brought up before then?

[Gamma Emerald]

WTF
How do you get "content with it" from that post? Was the sarcasm not clear?
@Maria

[PenguinPower]

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