Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[House]

VOTE: Giggles

She didn't vote me, must be scum.

[House]

VOTE: gigabyteTrousadour

Oh wow that response is bad

VOTE: Creature

Nuh-uh.

[House]

VOTE: Giggles

She didn't vote me, must be scum.

i've never voted you before and i've never not rolled town

your logic is faulty

Have you really not rolled mafia yet?

Don't make me review your games, I'm lazy.

[House]

VOTE: gigabyteTrousadour

Oh wow that response is bad

*giga disappears*

My vote is now serious.

[House]

^ This deserves first wagon.

[House]

I'm pretty sure titles are changed according to post count unless custom titled by the mods.

[House]

Slysly, I don't think that makes any sense, you're not considering a lot of possibilities that can absolutely lead to me having a grapevine to hear things from as town.

You're not presenting any, either.

[House]

Slysly, I don't think that makes any sense, you're not considering a lot of possibilities that can absolutely lead to me having a grapevine to hear things from as town.

You're not presenting any, either.

Neighborhoods, having friends to talk to via PMs, mixing up other large thread themes where people discuss someone's alt status...

I think listing those possibilities could lead to people deducing things they shouldn't, but since you asked.

You think scum wouldn't already deduce such things from the fact they already know you're not in their PT?

You think town wouldn't already consider a neighborhood an option is they consider a scum PT an option?

VOTE: Giggles

You're smart than this.

[House]

Slysly, I don't think that makes any sense, you're not considering a lot of possibilities that can absolutely lead to me having a grapevine to hear things from as town.

Here's what I'm considering.

1. My role PM has no mention of ANY grapevines.

If yours does have something about "grapevine(s)" my initial thought is you are scum.

Please for the love of mafia gods tell me you're trolling.

[House]

VOTE: SlySly

Unless he's trolling, he's terribad scum.

[House]

VOTE: SlySly

Unless he's trolling, he's terribad scum.

why not terribad town? he would probably be like this as town as well.
unless something indicates to you that he's faking ignorance, but you haven't mentioned anything like that.

I think he's hardcore fishing in a way even bad town wouldn't right out of the gate.

Sure, I asked for alternatives to a scum PT for the grapevine (sorta), but it was an open ended request that left options for not forcing a claim.

Sly straight up pushed for a neighbor claim on top of casting shade over a commonly used term for rumor mill.

[House]

Okay, we're not flavor claiming.

Who made it sound like we seriously were? And if nobody, why did you even say this?

Dude, it's Creature.

Get used to it.

[House]

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

I might spray battery acid in my eyes after reading your posts (or not).

[House]

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.

Hi, I'm House.

UNVOTE:

What are you going to do about it?

[House]

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

I might spray battery acid in my eyes after reading your posts (or not).

Cool story bro. Are you voting SlySly? If not, why not?

I'm the one that started the wagon, remember?

VOTE: zakk

Not even tracking the wagon he's pushing.

[House]

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I don't. He's scum, lynch the bastid.

[House]

ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.

HOW IS THAT TOWN?

[House]

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.

Hi, I'm House.

UNVOTE:

What are you going to do about it?

I'm gonna lynch scum and eat corn flakes. You?

So he threatened Creature to try to get his vote, and feigned nonchalance in his reply to me?

[House]

House, I find booze and Xanax help in lynching scum. I don't have Xanax. Care to drink with me?

I could go for some Patron.

[House]

Say why you think Sly is town first

He strikes me as Creature 2.0.

Now, vote zakk pls kthx.

[House]

brb daycopping shiro

Say why you think Sly is town first

He strikes me as Creature 2.0.

Now, vote zakk pls kthx.

This question wasn't aimed at you pls

Doesn't make it any less true, and you know it.

[House]

House, why is it scummy to forget things in such a large theme? I'm pretty scatterbrained and town myself, so I mean...

It's

page six!

[House]

also sly ank has to have the hammer now i guess so i'm going to force you to vote for your scumreads, kthnx

Also Giggles why do you just swallow the claim as town without sorting the player?

[House]

Well this game is off running, innit?

Sly trying to interpret "grapevine" as "scum PT" is reaching SUPER HARD and reads like trying to build a case out of nothing. I would vote him, but i'm unsure of the count and i don't want to put him at L-1 in 5 seconds of starting.

That makes Giga a townread by way of being a scum target.

Creature's #96 is non commital and i don't like it.

Don't PL the alt, that's dumb.

Null on everyone else, though blade dancer is my current top watched null read. Might need to wait for flips to sort him.

Pedit:

I forgot about this before because of the delay, but

my role has several different states it can have, and both Miller and Hated are part of those states.

By the same token, my role benefits from being on lynch wagons and hammering, so please be aware of this.

WHAT THE HELL

This is a scum as fuck catch up.

[House]

VOTE: Giggles

She didn't vote me, must be scum.

i've never voted you before and i've never not rolled town

your logic is faulty

Scared of alts and RVS votes. Probably scum or noob.

His stance to policy lynch day 1 is also Antitown.

Sad scum had the first two posts of the game.

This was for you SirCakez.

This is about a scumread though?
I want to know why you're townreading Sly, not scumreading whoever this was aimed at.

Sly is town because Giga is scum.

I'm leaning towards that as a possibility as well.

[House]

A Giga scum flip will result in me screaming for a Pepto lynch the following day.

[House]

VOTE: pepto

zakk or Giga first.

Giga scum solidifies Pepto buddy.

[House]

A Giga scum flip will result in me screaming for a Pepto lynch the following day.

Far too early to form associative reads. Slow down. Let them be individually scummy.

Duh.

I was already scumreading Pepto for that shade af catch-up.

[House]

A Giga scum flip will result in me screaming for a Pepto lynch the following day.

Far too early to form associative reads. Slow down. Let them be individually scummy.

Duh.

I was already scumreading Pepto for that shade af catch-up.

On the surface I get it, but I just feel in my bones he is not scummy.

Why? And don't give me no lazy gut bs.

Stuff affects gut reads. Explain please.

[House]

Because I didn't know the game started until 6 pages in.

My email spam filters PM notifications.

But doesn't it make more sense to enter a game with only 6 pages in by just jumping into the action? It seemed unnecessarily try-hard to just make a catch-up post and give relatively safe opinions, but I don't want to shade your playstyle if you're just like that.

I don't recall a cautious Giggles being a town Giggles.

[House]

someone voting them answer: what makes pepto's catch-up really scummy?

Sly is Creature 2.0. Pepto casting shade on him is a very convenient way to "blend in with town", with the possible added bonus of supporting a buddy IF Giga is scum but it's scummy regardless of her alignment.

That and the general attitude he adopted just doesn't sit well with me.

[House]

Oh but I need concrete reasons for voting me, from everyone who's voting me, so I can know who to "surprise"

You already know mine.

[House]

what do you mean by Creature 2.0? you think Creature is a low-hanging fruit lynch? (a guess/assumption on my part)
how do you feel about the other players who voted Sly?

gigabyte: i also didn't get that your call for a PL was a joke.

Creature could easily be lynchbait in a game with people unfamiliar with his playstyle.

Sly seems to have a very similar thought process.

[House]

i don't know, House. only comparing what i've seen in this game, Creature didn't display any of the weird behaviour Sly did. the two don't look very similar to me.
but, i do understand what you're telling me regarding pepto.

If you're a meta diver, please take the time to dive Creature.

[House]

House: oooh, boy. no, i am not. but i believe you, lying about a player's meta on purpose is a quick way to get attacked by that player.

That was just as true before I asked you to dive Creature, why didn't you believe me then?

[House]

I can't tonal-read myself but I can assure you that I'm not at all scared of House. I actually like him a lot.

You should be, because you know I don't let go of a scumread until it swings and I'm starting to get one on you.

You're trying to emulate a carefree demeanor that doesn't fit with the current atmosphere. You know damned well I can swing lynches when I dig in, but you're not concerned about me scumreading you?

I suggest you get scared and sell me on why you're not scum, or at the very least give me a better case on someone that convinces me you're not bussing.

[House]

i was scumreading House at the time

Based on what, exactly?

[House]

OK, since I'm voting for Slysly and you want me to explain why I'm not bussing... Do scumpartners usually start their pushes on their own partners by asking leading questions and making them "slip"? I would assume not, because partner!Slysly already knows why I'm scum and doesn't have to "expose" me for it.

That explains why he's not bussing.

Not you.

[House]

Consider my intent to vote Giggles for realsies at this point if zakk acquits himself.

[House]

i was scumreading House at the time

Based on what, exactly?

gigabyte's reaction to the RVS vote was bad, and Creature voted them for it. you then voted Creature, which i didn't like. that was the basis. i couldn't see the reasoning for scumreading Creature for a perfectly valid push.
but you didn't continue pressing that, and your posting has been good, so the scumread faded away. that, and it wad an early push for a read, as Blade said.

Nah, her response was fine. Considering that response was based on shared history, I think I'd know better whether it was bad or not than a couple jumpy Lucys.

I'm scumreading Giga, but not based on anything in RVS.

[House]

House...

If I give reasoning to explain that we are not scum together, that means I can't bus him in the first place because only scum bus.

Lawyering is a scum tactic, looking for loopholes to escape suspicion.

Doesn't work for me.

I said sell me scum (as in, results in a red flip) that doesn't leave me thinking YOU are bussing THEM if you want me drop my suspicion of you.

This crap about Sly won't fly.

[House]

House...

If I give reasoning to explain that we are not scum together, that means I can't bus him in the first place because only scum bus.

Lawyering is a scum tactic, looking for loopholes to escape suspicion.

Doesn't work for me.

I said sell me scum (as in, results in a red flip) that doesn't leave me thinking YOU are bussing THEM if you want me drop my suspicion of you.

This crap about Sly won't fly.

Pretty much. Did you realize how he objected to my leading question but said he used the tactic himself.

I have no idea who you are talking about.

[House]

Random note: I'm so glad I found Slaughter: Stick It To Ya on Spotify.

Haven't heard this album since high school. Good times.

[House]

McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?

I don't fucking know

anyway, blade dancer, are you going to keep datamining my posts for reasons to scumread me? because I'm trying to get the actual scum here

as you can hopefully understand the average density of players in recent large themes has made be a bit miffed

Stop deflecting and trying to paint me as an unreasonable player on a witch hunt.

This is flailing.

No it's not

Truth.

[House]

motherfucker it's already 11 pages in and it just started. fuck you all VOTE: house for most posts

I loled.

[House]

Welp, I have a couple of townreads already.

Please keep them to yourself.

I think that publicizing townreads only serves to give scum information on optimal NK's.

Town needs scumreads. Let scum infer what they will from names not mentioned as scumreads.

It's easier to pick a widely townread person for the nk by comparing readslists than having to guess based on names that aren't mentioned.

[House]

I don't know how I'll play as I work with PoE, not scumreads.

Play the way you always do, just post those you haven't eliminated as town as either null or scum.

Posting town/strong town reads only serves to help scum, they're the ones that need that information. Not town.

[House]

OK House here's me acquitting myself:

I didn't even know who was wagoning SlySly when I voted him. I didn't check. I didn't care. I just started pushing his wagon because he was scummy, and I encouraged others to vote for him, including you. Does that sound like a scum move to you?

If so, please explain how.

The point about you not knowing who started the wagon you yourself are pushing is indicative that you are not actually following the game and your indifference to the makeup and history of The wagon your to suspect suggests you aren't really serious about that suspicion and are looking for an easy target to look town with.

[House]

OK House here's me acquitting myself:

I didn't even know who was wagoning SlySly when I voted him. I didn't check. I didn't care. I just started pushing his wagon because he was scummy, and I encouraged others to vote for him, including you. Does that sound like a scum move to you?

If so, please explain how.

The point about you not knowing who started the wagon you yourself are pushing is indicative that you are not actually following the game and your indifference to the makeup and history of the wagon on your top suspect suggests you aren't really serious about that suspicion and are looking for an easy target to look town with.

EBWOP

[House]

TIA champ

YW scum.

[House]

Actually like this.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Do explain.

[House]

Not really motivated to vote elsewhere.

[House]

hey sly

i thought your willingness to only hammer wagons was a playstyle quirk or something, but i took a brief look at some of your games and I've seen that you've placed non-hammering votes. What gives?

Hey Sky, please answer this because I want to know too.

[House]

Sly*

[House]

With my lean on you, House, I'll pass on your request, too.

Lmao, OF COURSE YOU WILL.

[House]

VOTE: pepto

zakk or Giga first.

Giga scum solidifies Pepto buddy.

If I'm sheepable, please respect my wishes.

[House]

but you think that people need to directly interact

Why are you telling me what you think I think?

[House]

Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.

[House]

Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.

Then explain why I should join it.
Zakk, what do you enjoy playing more, town or scum?

Or I could wait for the players that don't need to be spoonfed to make their way into the thread.

Yeah, I'll go with that option.

[House]

"Tell me why I should" is not town play.

It's scummy challenging, daring the wagoner to present reasons so they can be batted away on spurious reasoning.

Town is perfectly capable of drawing their own conclusions.

[House]

Town is perfectly capable of drawing their own conclusions.

If you don't like the wagon, I'm not begging you to join it.

[House]

I'm not against hammering worthless millers but I'd rather hammer a scum.

I'm going to make it my life's mission to hammer any wagon I'm not a part of just to keep it from you.

Considering my availability, I have the teeth to make good on the threat.

[House]

Town is perfectly capable of drawing their own conclusions.

If you don't like the wagon, I'm not begging you to join it.

House, help him please he's new.

He's perfectly capable. I know because ~reasons~.

[House]

ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.

HOW IS THAT TOWN?

To be fair House I do that all the time.

You question the person that started the wagon as to whether they are voting that person?

Idk what to tell you.

[House]

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.

Hi, I'm House.

UNVOTE:

What are you going to do about it?

I'm gonna lynch scum and eat corn flakes. You?

So he threatened Creature to try to get his vote, and feigned nonchalance in his reply to me?

Probably the only good post out of five pages.

TBF, I totally forgot about that little pearl, but it's enough for a vote in itself really.

[House]

ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.

HOW IS THAT TOWN?

To be fair House I do that all the time.

Then it's decided: I'm not on board with the Zakk train.
VOTE: SlySly
Seems to fillering.

Fucking lol. This is bullshit.

When zakk flips red I'm coming for you next.

[House]

ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.

HOW IS THAT TOWN?

To be fair House I do that all the time.

Then it's decided: I'm not on board with the Zakk train.
VOTE: SlySly
Seems to fillering.

That makes no sense. I'm on page 7 atm but it seems to me like the zakk train is for a lot more than just him being forgetful so me going "I am forgetful as town too" doesn't clear him at all.

That's why I want Gamma to eat rope. He looks for the path of least resistance.

[House]

House, is it okay if I buddy you for now?

Since you asked so nicely, sure.

[House]

Why do I get the feeling that Accountant just culted House?

Why do you care if I'm scum?

[House]

Why do I get the feeling that Accountant just culted House?

How tf do you think culting works

Initiate?!

[House]

Why do I get the feeling that Accountant just culted House?

How tf do you think culting works

Inorite?!*

[House]

Why do I get the feeling that Accountant just culted House?

The real question is why your mind jumped straight to cult(that operates during the day somehow?)

*UNGHHH LEADER IS RIGHT UNGHHH*

[House]

Wtf does inorite mean

Say it out loud with all vowels except the e with the long sounds.

[House]

I can't tonal-read myself but I can assure you that I'm not at all scared of House. I actually like him a lot.

You should be, because you know I don't let go of a scumread until it swings.

Cool story bro! Second cool story so far! You're a natural.

Can you also please tell the class a story about how you said I could acquit myself, but you're using unilateral, threatening language against somebody else who has done something arguably less than I have?

TIA champ

Are you having a stroke

Do you see?

[House]

Accountant, I just came from the wiki reviewing millers before I said something stupid relying on my cloudy memory. I haven't played in a few years and I've forgotten some things. Dating had been mentioned in this game, maybe you're a polyamorous day culter! IDK. But. if you ask me out now, I'm saying no.

I don't share nice anyway, unless she wants to bring one of her girlfriends along.

[House]

Wow zakk looks worse and worse with each post Accountant quotes.

Which makes you look worse and worse for not bothering to ISO zakk back when it would have mattered to me.

[House]

Wow zakk looks worse and worse with each post Accountant quotes.

Please vote him, then.

Do we really want scum on the wagon when we don't know what zakk has planned?

[House]

Wow zakk looks worse and worse with each post Accountant quotes.

Please vote him, then.

Do we really want scum on the wagon when we don't know what zakk has planned?

I actually think zakk's surprise is a bluff.

That'd be a stupid ploy because it only further indicts him when he fails to follow through.

[House]

Wow zakk looks worse and worse with each post Accountant quotes.

Please vote him, then.

Do we really want scum on the wagon when we don't know what zakk has planned?

I fucking dare you to try to lynch me.

[House]

raises the same eyebrow as zakk's begging

Is it painful?

[House]

11. Gamma - challenging all to lynch

This is patently untrue. Gamma's challenge was clearly directed at me.

[House]

Last game, you were town and lots of people wanted to lynch you. But you didn't yell at them for being shit at reading you. What changed?

He's afraid I'll actually swing a lynch on him for ~reasons~.

He should be.

[House]

Well, it's hard for 1 person to lynch. I assumed that directed it at us all.

His posting after the fact affirms my interpretation.

[House]

11. Gamma - challenging all to lynch

This is patently untrue. Gamma's challenge was clearly directed at me.

Does it make a difference? The clear point of that post was to show bravado and confidence to the rest of the town.

It does, actually.

He's intimidated by me, not defying the entire town.

[House]

Not following onto Gamma.

@Accountant, I never voted Mcmenno.

If/when I decide it's his time, you'll change your mind.

[House]

Last game, you were town and lots of people wanted to lynch you. But you didn't yell at them for being shit at reading you. What changed?

The fact that House is a different beast altogether.

House said he thought you were intimidated by him. Are you? Because the quoted post seems to imply this.

Not really, his reads are hair trigger.

Why does it bother you that my reads change so easily?

[House]

Everybody voting Sly is lynchable.

[House]

Sly seems like lynchbait, but I'm into this zakk wagon.

VOTE: zakk

Enlighten us, what do you like about it?

[House]

I don't have much to add to what has already been brought up about him

Yeah, but what I was asking was what exactly you liked

about the wagon

, since that is what you stated drew your vote.

[House]

his reactions to the wagon on him are bad. I also feel good about some of the players pushing the wagon.

Fair enough.

[House]

please help me wagon pepto

Not happening today, but fear not for he is on the shortlist.

[House]

McMenno, do you think Zakk is scummy? If so, why is Pepto worth wagoning over him? If not, why not?

I'm currently undecided on zakk leaning scum. but pepto is scummier

That's an interesting opinion.

Not really, but y'know.

[House]

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town

caught up now, i'm reviewing the claims to see what i think about all of it. bastard games and millers. death variety? ugh

Reviewed the miller claims and updated reads list:

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller

I'm not against hammering worthless millers but I'd rather hammer a scum.

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town, the begging to surprise everyone at L-2 raises an eyebrow
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller
10. Accountant - town
11. Gamma - challenging all to lynch, raises the same eyebrow as zakk's begging

These posts, I just quoted one of them

Those piles of trash he passes off as reads have nothing to do with why i townread him.

[House]

Oh and Maxous is town.

Yo mama is town.

[House]

Good thing I'm not you![/quote]

It really is.

Count it among your blessings.

[House]

Good thing I'm not you!

It really is.

Count it among your blessings.

Fix't

[House]

I'm beginning to think SirCakez is full of shit and is just making vaguely plausible stuff up.

besides the Sly read, what else are you talking about?

The reason for the read is meh, but that doesn't make it untrue.

[House]

When he does the thing where he makes a casual assertion backed by no reasoning.

Kinda like that post?

[House]

[House]

See Cakez?

This is why you don't present your thought processes on reads.

Everybody loves to nitpick.

[House]

Do not neighborize Giga.

[House]

If what you found implicates Sly as scum, sharing it with town is not anti-town and I don't get how you think it possibly could be.

[House]

Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.

what does this mean? people you like more voted me? or the way in which it happened was better? or you like the reasons more? or something else?

It's not a popularity contest.

You had a wagon of townreads, while Sly had some shady votes thrown on him.

[House]

Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.

what does this mean? people you like more voted me? or the way in which it happened was better? or you like the reasons more? or something else?

It's not a popularity contest.

You had a wagon of townreads, while Sly had some shady votes thrown on him.

Ok I can dig. Who were the shady votes?

Was I not clear?

Everybody voting Sly is lynchable.

[House]

I just did something exceptionally noticeable. Which was, making a lot of posts in a short period of time, throwing around my weight, rubbing people the wrong way, and in general, making statements which made as many people uncomfortable as possible in as short a time as possible

Funny, I do that pretty much every game and get townread.

[House]

zakk and slysly are probably town

Pointing at two wagons and saying both are probably town is empty words.

Sly is probably town because of the people on his wagon, but zakk is full of townreads for me or I wouldn't be there.

[House]

See Cakez?

This is why you don't present your thought processes on reads.

Everybody loves to nitpick.

I just presented my thought process on my SlySly read. Feel free to nitpick it, sugar.

No you didn't.

[House]

VOTE: gigabyteTroubadour

Your time has come.

[House]

Why is Ankamius refusing to engage with me?

What, this post?

I'm sorry for being one of the only people to see how scummy you really are, I guess.

So, like

are you gonna give reasons

or do the sircakez "let me go ahead and say X is scummy w/out explaining why", except at least cakez explained after I asked him

If you really care enough about why I'm reading things a certain way, then ask. Don't expect me to spoonfeed you everything I'm thinking at all times.

Your House impression sucks.

Ily boo.

[House]

House, revote zakk or I'll never love you again.

Lol, as if you ever did.

Besides, voting zakk again would mean all this has gone to waste:

Spoiler: Vote Giggles

He strikes me as Creature 2.0.

hmm

those questions of his were leading, but this is pretty true :S

House, why is it scummy to forget things in such a large theme? I'm pretty scatterbrained and town myself, so I mean...

also sly ank has to have the hammer now i guess so i'm going to force you to vote for your scumreads, kthnx

1) Making excuses for forgetting something by page six?
2) No curiosity about why Ank wants hammer.

I know House and I think he has the logical ability to give an RVS vote that is correct.

I can't get past thinking this was a slip.

I can't tonal-read myself but I can assure you that I'm not at all scared of House. I actually like him a lot.

What does one have to do with the other? I like Titus a lot, but if I'm scum and she's town, she going down.

I can't tonal-read myself but I can assure you that I'm not at all scared of House. I actually like him a lot.

You should be, because you know I don't let go of a scumread until it swings and I'm starting to get one on you.

You're trying to emulate a carefree demeanor that doesn't fit with the current atmosphere. You know damned well I can swing lynches when I dig in, but you're not concerned about me scumreading you?

I suggest you get scared and sell me on why you're not scum, or at the very least give me a better case on someone that convinces me you're not bussing.

I'm not concerned you're scumreading me because I know I'm town and that you'll see that if you're not scum.

OK, since I'm voting for Slysly and you want me to explain why I'm not bussing... Do scumpartners usually start their pushes on their own partners by asking leading questions and making them "slip"? I would assume not, because partner!Slysly already knows why I'm scum and doesn't have to "expose" me for it.

I ask her to sell me scum in a way that makes me believe she's not bussing, and she responds by telling me how Sly isn't bussing

her

.

so i think it's time for me to out this information because it's not as obvious as i thought, but i'm worried it could be anti-town but i'm taking the risk at this point because i can't see myself making it very far in this game

I've never known Giggles to be so pessimistic about her outlook. Also, I still don't buy outing a possible scum as anti-town.

i wouldn't mind discussing this in a PT with a townread, however.

Fishing to be neighborized? Or, fishing to be recruited?

if i say what I think Sly's flavor is, then it implies that someone else has another flavor and that could be wrong, which is the real risk.

Outing one person's flavor outs someone else's?? Reeeachy.

[House]

with the difficulty I'm having in real life I don't think I'm going to be able to keep up with all of them.

That explains a lot of my raised eyebrows.

I wish you the best.

VOTE: Peptobislawl

Not quite ready to go to Gamma yet, he's very lynchbaity.

[House]

Ank, u scum bro?

[House]

Why Pepto over zakk?

Why scum over town?

What's your win con again?

[House]

I was really digging this post until I and noticed...

also, now that i'm reading into you, what the FUCK is up with all your 1. excuses, 2. promises to do more later, and 3. pointing out who else hasn't done enough?

I will have to reread zakk

before considering voting that way.
I have a sneaking suspicion about this game.

Need to see more from Shiro.

Miller claim this early is insufficient for a solid read.

massive hasn't posted yet either.

SnarkySnowman made an angry post that made me laugh, but hasn't posted reads/content yet (IIRC).

I know what I can expect from you, so

I will be patient, but I would like some reads before I consider throwing swords.

zakk and chara are in their own reads category.

He requires further reading.

Don't like how two of my scumreads are on the wagon but w/e.

I will read him in greater detail later

but the past few pages do nothing to help him.

Csnt parse this one out yet

and the longer it goes on the more difficult he will make it. Just take a step back and stop continuously posting.

We're still missing a good number of players.

Will wait for more absent posters to return.

you're not the owner of a bakery

you're the owner of an excuse factory

... no vote.

Sup?

[House]

are you chainsawing your buddy pepto now? tsk tsk

idontgetit

[House]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Bad vote is bad.

If you're townreading me, please trust me and vote elsewhere.

I believe Gamma is town for ~reasons~.

[House]

Accountant's attack is significantly worse, though. I'd be voting that slot now if it wasn't a waste of time.

How can you write off a possible wagon as a waste of time this early into d1?

[House]

VOTE: Peptobislawl

OPPORTUNISTIC VOTE

AS LONG AS YOU POINT IT OUT IN ALL CAPS, IT REMOVED THE OPPORTUNISTICALITYISM.

[House]

House: you like zakk's post. but take issue with the lack of a vote?
semantics, Gamma is more scum and they're already voted.
but I wouldn't expect scum to push something so shaky to rekindle the zakk wagon, so... it's a genuine concern of yours?

He's a townread of mine, so I'm trying to get him off another townread of mine.

[House]

Back from V/LA and catching up. This thread is barely, if that, 48 hours old. If you have over 50 posts by the time I make this you are either scum looking to make this game unreadable or have no clue how bad spam posting is for Town.

Or maybe, just maybe, not everybody shares your opinion on how to play.

[House]

@Mod, please replace me out

Hey, I'm really sorry to do this but I really don't think this game is for me. Including this one, I'm currently /in for five different games and with the difficulty I'm having in real life I don't think I'm going to be able to keep up with all of them. Since I put the least investment in this one and I wasn't invited here, I'm going to start by dropping out of here. I planned on /outting pre-game but I thought I'd pull it together stick for the flavor. Turns out that was a bad idea, I'm just having a lot of difficulty getting a foothold on this game.

Just to drop off some final thoughts, nothing extraordinarily helpful since i never took notes for this game but:

I have no reason to state most of my townreads, most of my townreads have already found each other and are already working together. I don't get the scumreads of Not Chara though, I think it's pretty obviously town? It should be talked about more tbh. Accountant too because I'm seeing some of that sentiment around him too.

I don't really have any special scumreads to push. A lot of slots haven't posted yet, but I think Gamma is probably going to flip scum. The way he interacted with the Slysly wagon completely sheeping my reasoning and then jumped onto zakk is worth scrutiny.

Pepto feels like lynchbait to me and while he could possibly be scum, he might be better off lynched off of associations. He just feels strange and offbeat to me in a newbish way and I think people are overselling how scummy he actually is.

I still think that Slysly and Ank have scum/town parallel roles with really obvious flavor. If at some point the flavor talks about them absorbing souls or LOVE or stuff like that, one of them is probably flipping scum. I don't know if that fits into Skull's mod meta but I'm having difficulty seeing it any other way. I think NC knows what I'm getting at here so if my slot flips at any point and NC is still alive, I really think this is a necessary point of discussion. Slysly's cageyness about hammering vs. Ank's openness about claiming makes it clear to me which one is the town one, personally.

The way SlySly formulated his zakk "townlean" in thread was pretty awkward too and I think it's an associative tell. worth looking into after some flips.

If Blade Dancer is who I think they are and flips scum, the people they choose to push are like 100% town. I think this is their town game though.

But yeah, I'm really disappointed in myself for replacing out for my first time but I don't see myself being useful in this gamestate's future with the lack of effort I'll likely be putting in later if I were to stay. This was a pretty difficult decision to make, but it's better I do this now before replacements will struggle to catch up.

btw i haven't read the thread since like my last post so maybe the stuff i wrote in here isn't as relevant

actually i just read this post.

i'm sorry to see you go. it's probably for the best.

i like this post a lot. i'm sorry you feel this way.

i especially like this part:

I don't really have any special scumreads to push. A lot of slots haven't posted yet, but I think Gamma is probably going to flip scum. The way he interacted with the Slysly wagon completely sheeping my reasoning and then jumped onto zakk is worth scrutiny.

it feels legit

worth changing my vote actually

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

AAAHAHA
So you only read it later?
Nice job strengthening my scumread on you

Confbiasy post is confbiasy

[House]

Why do you think GE is town?

~reasons~ isn't something I will accept.

That's all you get.

[House]

Why Pepto over zakk?

Why scum over town?

What's your win con again?

LOL thought you thought I was scum

I lost my scumread on you a while back, I was looking for something else.

[House]

House: you like zakk's post. but take issue with the lack of a vote?
semantics, Gamma is more scum and they're already voted.
but I wouldn't expect scum to push something so shaky to rekindle the zakk wagon, so... it's a genuine concern of yours?

I like this post

Ofc you would

I was calling him off your wagon in that post, brainpan.

[House]

@House – what about that replace out post says Town at all?

It's not that the post itself is towny, just that I can see why r/l things may be affecting her

town game

that I'm used to seeing, so I'm willing to give botd and wait for the replacement.

[House]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

[House]

@house,

What do you think of ultimately lynching Giga, Ank, Shiro, McMenno or Nosferatu today?

Giga - give the rep a chance
Ank - k
Shiro - idk yet
McMenno - idk yet
Nosferatu - he's in this game?

[House]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

I guarantee that I can read PeregrineV better than you can.

Nobody is reading him accurately by this point.

That you say you can is kinda my point.

[House]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

I guarantee that I can read PeregrineV better than you can.

Nobody is reading him accurately by this point.

That you say you can is kinda my point.

Considering that it should've been pretty obvious that my read on him was an initial read and that I'd be looking to cement it later, I don't understand what your point is.

Using PerV to make such a statement this early into the game wasn't a wise scum tactic, is my point.

[House]

I have more games with PeregrineV than anyone else on the site. Similarly, my accuracy in reading him is higher than my accuracy in reading anybody else on the site.

Why is Not Chara scum?

[House]

Nahdia obvscum with the LAMIST entrance.

She's better than that when she's town.

/s

[House]

UNVOTE:

Hi Nahdia, giga claimed 1-shot BP and left, can you confirm that?

I won't confirm or deny that unless you're able to show me exactly where it happened, friendo.

Doing some quick homework for class then I'll get to catching up.

How does whether she claimed or not affect whether you are that role?

Your paranoia cup overfloweth.

[House]

UNVOTE:

Hi Nahdia, giga claimed 1-shot BP and left, can you confirm that?

I won't confirm or deny that unless you're able to show me exactly where it happened, friendo.

Doing some quick homework for class then I'll get to catching up.

How does whether she claimed or not affect whether you are that role?

Your paranoia cup overfloweth.

Does that make me scum?

Is my vote on you?

It's not.

I'd ask you not to ask stupid questions, but I'd hate for you to have to replace out.

[House]

Haha man and here I thought you were just pulling that lame reaction test where you try to lock a scum replacement into a bad claim. Turns out my predecessor actually did do that!

I'm still not gonna confirm or deny whether I'm a BP, but thanks for pointing it out!

Nahdia, I'm disappointed.

[House]

how might you expect town Nahdia to respond?

I'd expect her to pay more attention, but she mitigated a fair amount of that disappointment by catching it while I was posting.

[House]

I was an unwitting passenger aboard Creature's ruse cruise, dudeguy.

Hence my disappointment.

You're not unwitting.

[House]

I hope the votes for Gamma have something more than {insert lynchbait reason here} behind them.

If not, they should probs go away.

[House]

Three pages in. Creature an Not Chara are town. House is mafia.

Yup, you're rusty. Lol.

[House]

Currently searching for a replacement for Peptobislawl.

Slinking out without a word when he gets some pressure?

THAT is a scum replace out and he should be punished for tactical replace out if he flips red at any point.

[House]

Three pages in. Creature an Not Chara are town. House is mafia.

But that's just like, my opinion, maaaannn.

HOLY FUCK
VOTE: Nahdia

Da fuck?

[House]

That vote is because she gave wishy-washy reads.

If you ever decide to be productive, we have a spot warm for you on the Pepto wagon.

[House]

That vote is because she gave wishy-washy reads.

If you ever decide to be productive, we have a spot warm for you on the Pepto wagon.

I ISOed Pepto, and don't really see anything scummy.

I know you're lynch bait, but I expect better from you than that.

[House]

That vote is because she gave wishy-washy reads.

If you ever decide to be productive, we have a spot warm for you on the Pepto wagon.

I ISOed Pepto, and don't really see anything scummy.

Hey, not willing to vote Nahdia yet, but can we both agree on something and try to be productive. I am pretty damn sure you're town now and so is House. So is Maxous.

I might be more willing to work with you if I knew who you were.

On policy, I distrust hidden alts.

[House]

House, i really don't like this discrediting of Gamma's abilities while still calling him town. i've read him play before, he isn't useless all the time.
he's just scum here.

That's just it, I'm not discrediting his abilities. That's why I expect more from him. Duh.

I just know he's a vote magnet.

[House]

Not liking the look of NC's 860.

[House]

if you haven't figured out who Blade Dancer is already, you aren't going to.
just play with them as they are.

Again. Duh.

Doesn't mean I have to work with them.

[House]

House is gonna tell me I'm wrong or something but don't let that dissuade you.

He's been initiated to House play.

[House]

What's in front of you?

My phone.

[House]

I don't think revealing my main would encourage that.

You'd be surprised.

I view trust as a two way street.

[House]

So BD, I'm having problems with getting a photo just right.

Would you be able to help me with that after the game?

[House]

Lucky you, I can't afford one of those newfangled game hoozits.

[House]

Lucky you, I can't afford one of those newfangled game hoozits.

Yeah, well I am a total wreck at playing CoD. Like bad. Too bad. I'd be hoping to fight. Kinda supposed you would, but it makes sense I guess you wouldn't.

So, who are we lynching again?

[House]

Lucky you, I can't afford one of those newfangled game hoozits.

Yeah, well I am a total wreck at playing CoD. Like bad. Too bad. I'd be hoping to fight. Kinda supposed you would, but it makes sense I guess you wouldn't.

Is that low-key ad hominem?

It's not your place to ask unless it's directed at you.

[House]

@house,

What do you think of ultimately lynching Giga, Ank, Shiro, McMenno or Nosferatu today?

I'll sheep you on Ank, Shiro, McMenno, or Nos.

I'd like to give Giga's replacement a fair shake.

Best in mind that McMenno is baitish.

[House]

@house,

What do you think of ultimately lynching Giga, Ank, Shiro, McMenno or Nosferatu today?

I'll sheep you on Ank, Shiro, McMenno, or Nos.

I'd like to give Giga's replacement a fair shake.

Bear in mind that McMenno is baitish.

EBWOP

[House]

I have determined that Blade Dancer is my Mason buddy from this point on.

[House]

VOTE: Ankamius

[House]

Miller claims aren't worthy of votes D1.

Fix't, but that's not really relevant.

[House]

It's relevant. No worthy information will come from their flips or the pressure they receive from a wagon.

That's an interesting theory.

[House]

GAME OVER

Hey so

Is this an action?

It's the action of ending Sly's game.

[House]

@blade, house

Nos, Ank and Shiro seem like the easy out options from the choices Blade presented. We already know good info will come from the nahdia(giga) slot. McMenno has been in an anti-town barbaric tone in his posts. Why are you two so eager to dive right into meaningless street? Even Nos would be better than the millers because he's been the uber-lurker so far.

massive has already said he's not willing to commit to reading 37 pages of a large game he signed up for and is willing to sheep MOI. That's not more worthy of a look than millers? Come on!

And I didn't even mention the popularly perceived scummy replace out with Pepto, another superior choice to the millers.

Riddle me this: If I'm scum, why are you so concerned about me voting a Miller? Do you think I'm incredibly charismatic scum that will swing a lynch by virtue of my presence on a wagon?

Does that scare you, or something?

[House]

Blade Dancer is probably Antihero

Sorry I meant what's his face. Firebringer.

Blade Dancer is probably Firebringer.

These are hilarious guesses btw.

[House]

totally unrelated but

You're smart than this.

LOL

Autocorrect spoofs while complimenting someone's intelligence doesn't carry any irony. Just spoofs where one is insulting intelligence.

[House]

Actually, if I'm ever chosen for the lynch, I officially request one of the miller claims is the hammer.

Why would you say this before... y'know... you're wagoned?

[House]

totally unrelated but

You're smart than this.

LOL

Autocorrect spoofs while complimenting someone's intelligence doesn't carry any irony. Just spoofs where one is insulting intelligence.

Unless the compliment was deemed passive aggressive.

Passive-aggressive =/= sarcastic

[House]

Actually, if I'm ever chosen for the lynch, I officially request one of the miller claims is the hammer.

Why would you say this before... y'know... you're wagoned?

Because my role has an ability that is based on my death.

Sigh.

I know.

Outing information on your role also informs scum about the odds of finding other roles.

Shut up about shit until it's relevant to share.

[House]

Actually, if I'm ever chosen for the lynch, I officially request one of the miller claims is the hammer.

Why would you say this before... y'know... you're wagoned?

Because my role has an ability that is based on my death.

Sigh.

I know.

Outing information on your role also informs scum about the odds of finding other roles.

Shut up about shit until it's relevant to share.

My role is so awkward though that I classify it as NU, more of a LU(Limited Utility) though.

It's not negative utility.

Just, don't ever do that again please.

[House]

Passive-aggressive =/= sarcastic

I seriously think you took this too seriously.

Seriously?

[House]

I'd be happy to feed you rope for it.

[House]

I'd be happy to feed you rope for it.

zakk is the embodiment of why I hate large games. Spamming up the thread with worthless shitposts, acting cocky when he has 0 ground to stand on, throwing out moon-logic knowing that nobody can call him out on it because the game's moving so fast that nobody's going to take the time to notice how dumb they're being as long as they're sending out town vibes and voting the person everyone thinks is scum.

I've done exactly all of that.

Where's all the hate for me?

[House]

I'd be happy to feed you rope for it.

zakk is the embodiment of why I hate large games. Spamming up the thread with worthless shitposts, acting cocky when he has 0 ground to stand on, throwing out moon-logic knowing that nobody can call him out on it because the game's moving so fast that nobody's going to take the time to notice how dumb they're being as long as they're sending out town vibes and voting the person everyone thinks is scum.

I've done exactly all of that.

Where's all the hate for me?

Well then, you can eat rope too.

Lmao, but no interest in lynching me until I point it out.

Yet you expect me to believe that as the reason you want to lynch zakk when you've been talking to me like a townread all this time?

You are so scum, lol.

VOTE: Accountant

[House]

I want to daykill him to silence his voice.

Why? Because he is calling you scum?

It's not just the volume of his posts, or you'd be saying that about me because I have

nearly a hundred

more posts than he does.

[House]

Oh wow, you sure convinced me that you're town with that post!

[House]

@Maxous: That looks like playstyle, not alignment.

You're full of crap.

Nahdia isn't as stupid as she's playing right now.

[House]

Why? Because she's calling you scum?

No, because she's doing so when I'm never scumread d1 as town by anyone with any sense and she had plenty of sense.

[House]

Before we proceed, how many games have you played with Nahdia?

Enough to know she's one of the better players on the site.

[House]

@House, I feel Nahdia may have whiteknighted me a little, do you agree?

Idk about white knighted, but she buddied the fuck out of you.

[House]

Actually Gamma, pretty sure I'm the one that's the most guilty of wk'ing you.

[House]

Good ol' Gamma.

Too important to do anything as trivial as read.

[House]

Good ol' Gamma.

Too important to do anything as trivial as read.

It's the extent of reading that's causing the problem.

Scanning an ISO isn't nearly as strenuous as you're making it out to be.

[House]

Besides, you're playing the wrong game if reading is a chore.

[House]

A quick look back through House's ISO shows that the start of the case was based on an associative tell.
The only other thing I've seen that was scummy was the replace out.
Am I missing something?

If you hate reading so much, why wouldn't you ISO someone actually voting him that has a fraction of my posts?

[House]

gigabyte: i also didn't get that your call for a PL was a joke.

Make that 3 of us, you took the "joke" to far. probably would have suspected you if not for sly, still might if he flips town.

He's taking Sly's lynch as a given, even though

he isn't even on the wagon

and it's still small.

That's some conniving thought process right there.

since he has less vote than i though VOTE: slysly

What the fuck kind of reasoning is this for a vote?

[House]

Gamma where have you seen House's scum play?

I have not. I'm not diving into his giant game history without links.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61337

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=5150

How dare you leave out my Magnum Opus?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68502

[House]

Gamma where have you seen House's scum play?

I have not. I'm not diving into his giant game history without links.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61337

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=5150

How dare you leave out my Magnum Opus?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68502

HOW COULD I FORGET YOU WERE IN BIOLOGY

Idk. You weren't?

[House]

Before we proceed, how many games have you played with Nahdia?

Enough to know she's one of the better players on the site.

Can someone who has more game experience with Nahdia and House confirm or disconfirm House's claim that he's never scumread by town D1 and/or that Nahdia is savvy enough to not scumread him as town D1?

Cakez can do that, considering he's the one that told me I'm pretty obvtown when I'm town.

[House]

Scum!House looks a lot like Town!House.

There are noticeable differences between the two.

Not pointing them out if you can't find them because it'd hurt my scum game. There's a reason I seal my mafia chats.

[House]

hey I get you have the ego of a small sun but it ain't impossible for town to scumread you, weirdly enough

Small?

That's crazy talk.

[House]

House is making a case on Nahdia that's built solely on meta. I'm asking if anyone can confirm this meta.

I'm not making a case, I'm making a point.

Bit of a difference.

[House]

Well that's curious.

I think Creature is trying to jump on me for saying I would fake a post restriction which is completely hilarious. It's totally a "justification vote". I don't see town having that reaction. Questioning it maybe, but outright saying I claimed scum? Yeah right, bucko.

Creature, SirCakez, zakk, pepto, House

scumpoll as of rn.

Take House out of that list and we're all g

That list is terrible.

Also, why no interactions Nahdia? I disagree with every one of your scumreads.

Remember Gamma's response to your list?

Take another look at Nahdia's.

He sure is keeping his options open.

[House]

House I scumread for a lot of whiteknighting of both Gamma's slot and my slot.

Your slot was previously taken by a friend of mine that I didn't want steamrolled over typical d1 shenanigans. You, I don't care if you're lynched because you're a big girl that can fend for herself.

Gamma is lynchbait so I'm cautious but I'm starting to get paranoid on him.

[House]

Yeah, town can't whiteknight.

Town wk frequently.

[House]

Gamma I have some advice for your personal development as a mafia player.

Shush, buster.

Truth.

[House]

Ok, duly noted. I just kinda noticed it felt like you reacted when Gamma made a big show of voting me shortly after my entrance and it was like "huh why did he do that?" and that got me worried on you in particular.

Don't judge what you don't know.

[House]

Isn't judging what you don't know like, the point of mafia?

I would certainly hope not.

Figuring out the things you don't know is essential, imho.

[House]

Idk Max, if Nahdia is town I'd sheep her over you.

[House]

Idk Max, if Nahdia is town I'd sheep her over you.

that's not the point.

IF Nahdia is town is such a huge question mark

Of course it's the point. Or a subpoint. Is that a word? Autocorrect says no. Oh well, it is now.

Just being town isn't all that's required to be in a townblock, or at least it shouldn't be. It also needs organization and harmony. A strong voice backed by insightful minds. People that inspire trust and confidence in each other.

...

...

...

...

... what was I talking about again?

[House]

I am not a unanimous townread.

Not the way you're willing to sheep multiple scum lists.

[House]

So yea, I hope House dies before day three LOL, otherwise this game is going to be bloated beyond recognition *grimace*

Four pages popped up since my last post so feel free to stfu kthx

[House]

I have an idea of what Andrius's role is, but I have no idea what the flavor behind it is.

All choices have consequences.

Repeating crumbs is akin to shouting at a dead person.

If they can't hear you, raising the volume isn't going to help.