Mini 530: Guitar Hero Mafia: It's Finally Over

[hasdgfas]

vote: Gorrad

just because I can

[hasdgfas]

Oh I know it's not uncommon to vote the rocker who just voted you... This is mafia.

Mafia? THIS IS SPARTA!

NO!
<----

THIS

IS SPARTA!

[hasdgfas]

Before I have to leave, I would like to say that ChaosOmega's reaction to the vote put on him was rather out of proportion to what it should have been.

FoS: ChaosOmega

I'd post more but I have to leave soon.

Limited to no access from tonight until Monday for thanksgiving.

[hasdgfas]

I'm looking back at this and wondering why ChaosOmega is so suspicious. I'm not seeing what I saw before

I would also like to mention, if this hasn't been mentioned before, that d3sisted seems to do a complete 180.

Whoa. What's with the sudden jump to ChaosOmega?

He seems to have no clue why we're voting for CO, but...

I think ChaosOmega should start talking.
We need more pressure up in here, by the way.

Unvote; Vote ChaosOmega

He goes from not knowing why we're voting for CO to voting for CO as a pressure vote, but pressure for what? something that seems a lot less severe than it did before vacation.

vote: d3sisted

I think we need some explainin in da house.

[hasdgfas]

thank you gorrad.

[hasdgfas]

The combination of

being sick

all the snow here, lacking sleep, and wanting this semester to end is makin' me go crazy!

QFT with an adjustment since I'm not sick

Also, CO: Where the heck did that vote on Jex come from? Am I just missing something big here?

[hasdgfas]

I am jester.

Ok, this is interresting. d3sisted, can you give us a role name and explanation as to why that role is a jester, please?

I hope that his comment was a joke, but I don't know at this point.

[hasdgfas]

I think everyone is getting a bit too excited here over nothing.
I commented on the fact that CO's wagon built quite suddenly and unexpectedly (just like mine, ironically). Nowhere do I explicitly say that I find CO townish.
To those of you saying that I "flipped" on CO:
Flipping would've been: "I believe CO is town" followed later by a vote on him.
What I said was, essentially: "Those who suddenly jumped onto CO's wagon seem suspicious," followed by a vote when CO didn't respond to the questions posed.

I would consider a move from "Why are people voting for CO?" to "Vote: CO" a flip. It's a change in attitudes without saying why. That is a flip, it has nothing to do with saying someone is town then changing. You can flip on many different things, not just your belief of someone's alignment.

[hasdgfas]

I changed my vote. the only reason I can think of that it didn't move is that I didn't forget to unvote, so

unvote, vote: d3sisted

[hasdgfas]

I've reread several times, and not too many things jump put at me. However, I do think that d3sisted explained why his statement was not a flip rather well, and I think hasdgfas is making a larger deal out of it than it needs to be.

Combining that with Post 97, and hasdgfas appears to be the best vote at this point in time.

Vote: hasdgfas

Hey, I needed to find something to use as a reason, it seemed like a good one to start with. There wasn't a whole lot going on at that point. Plus, he may have said why

he

didn't consider it a flip, but I then stated that it is a flip. He seemed to be avoiding the question somewhat. Plus, that combined with the other suspicion on him was a good reason to have voted him.

Post 97 = me being really, really tired. But even with that, what's scummy about it?

[hasdgfas]

I would love to see CO explain his vote for Jex as it seemed to come out of nowhere.

[hasdgfas]

Yeah d3sisted, he has.

Have you been reading the thread?

[hasdgfas]

However, his later unvote-vote-desisted is scummy.

This is because in post 82, I vote for you, but in the next vote count, it didn't register, so I did an unvote/vote d3sisted as you only had 1 vote and I still find you most scummy.

[hasdgfas]

let's talk more, people. We haven't really done anything yet.

[hasdgfas]

*bump*

Natude, if you can't find anything to say, look for something that you can comment on. Coming to say that you don't see anything is not good.

[hasdgfas]

unvote, vote Natude

because there are many things he can talk about.

[hasdgfas]

let's do

something

[hasdgfas]

I was just about to post the same thing.

[hasdgfas]

I really think we need more people to post. I'm tired of the 4/5 of us saying things, but not being able to do anything since we can only get like 3 votes on someone. Please do some replacing too, Atticus. We need it.

[hasdgfas]

EBWOP: Dammit, why can't I quote people properly?

Just click the quote button on one of their posts, then delete what you don't need. It makes it easier.

[hasdgfas]

As much as I hate to say it, I think we need a deadline. Nobody's talking and it seems like we need something big to promote discussion. Whether mass prodding, replacing, or a deadline, something needs to be done.

[hasdgfas]

I think the mod's playing freebird, actually. How'z about I prod the mod and see what's up with him.

[hasdgfas]

The mod is prodded. I don't know about any backup mods. I'll gladly switch to the d3sisted wagon as the Natude vote was pretty much a pressure vote to get him to stop lurking

unvote, vote: d3sisted

[hasdgfas]

our mod hasn't posted anywhere since Jan 3rd. If we have a backup mod, he/she probably needs to show up.

[hasdgfas]

I'm good either way, but I'd prefer to keep the game going.

[hasdgfas]

welcome to you two. Let's try to get this game jumpstarted.

[hasdgfas]

Let's get a vote count for the replacements to easily see when they arrive.

[hasdgfas]

There was an unvote, DG. I doubt anyone will jump on this.

[hasdgfas]

SM: I do not believe that he was just addressing Gorrad there. Lemme point out the two posts of Gorrad's before that comment by d3sisted.

Oh good, we're getting somewhere. Welcome Cole, you name-stealer.

Vote: ChaosOmega

because all the cool kids are doing it.

PS

Oh I know it's not uncommon to vote the rocker who just voted you... This is mafia.

Mafia? THIS IS SPARTA!

Then after a VC:

Doh, looks like I forgot to

Unvote, Vote: ChaosOmega

It's really easy to go look back a page and see why he was voting for CO.

I viewed d3sisted's question as being to the whole town. Firstly, because he didn't ask it specifically to Gorrad, and secondly, because he didn't have any other references. If you look at that point in the game, most of the people are talking about CO and how suspicious he is. I see d3sisted as coming in and saying "why do you find CO so suspicious?" I don't see the question specifically to Gorrad, mostly because later d3sisted said that it was his reaction the the wagon. Then you come in and say that he didn't mean what he said? I'm not buying it.

Mirth: Why do you feel that claiming wouldn't help you? You probably should since you've hit L-1 and are currently at L-2. From what I've seen, those who refuse to claim are usually scum.

[hasdgfas]

fishing?
Not everytime that someone asks someone to claim is it considered rolefishing. I felt the she should claim. However, now that we have more discussion, I will

unvote

and re-read.

[hasdgfas]

DG needs a prod since there is much discussion about him/her

[hasdgfas]

prods and deadlines would be perfect.

[hasdgfas]

We need replacements to come in and talk.
To be honest, even though SM is a little bit better, I still have most suspicion on d3sisted/SM.
If I have time, I'll re-read to see what I see this time.

[hasdgfas]

Mod: can you either keep the deadline in the thread title or in each vote count? It makes it easier to keep track of it

Also, the numbers in the VC are off.

[hasdgfas]

Took long enough to get a lynch in this game.

[hasdgfas]

What do I think? I think it's a pretty good lynch. I just re-read, and there's nothing I can see that's useful. I was trying to wait to see what DG said before doing anything, but it's not going to happen. Plus, this lynch will get us lots of good information and give the game a jump-start.


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vote: DG

[hasdgfas]

I am jester.

Does anyone have ANY explanation for this? It happened right after I said

Is there a jester in the house?

Goddammit, do not start this.

QFT. If there IS a jester, don't frikkin' worry about it. If he wins, then good for him, we got him out of the way early. But seriously, who takes a dive in Guitar Hero?

Which makes me think that there actually IS a jester, since he'd be more likely to be lynched after what I said. However, he doesn't vote for himself...The only reason I can see is someone trying to stop votes on them by claiming a role that wins at loss.

Also, GJ yesterday.

vote: gorrad

[hasdgfas]

Post 303 is one of the worst posts I've ever seen. Read it a couple times, and hopefully you'll see the two major things that made me vote for Gorrad.

[hasdgfas]

QFT. If there IS a jester, don't frikkin' worry about it. If he wins, then good for him, we got him out of the way early. But seriously, who takes a dive in Guitar Hero?

makes me think that there actually IS a jester, since he'd be more likely to be lynched after what I said.

Besides being extremely distracting (Why talk about a Jester at all unless you're scum trying to find reasons why scummy people shouldn't be lynched?) this is also a contradiction. He says that he doesn't think there's a Jester, then he thinks there is. I don't understand this flip.

Also, GJ yesterday.

This kind of thing is one of those things that I see and it immediately sets off my scumdar. We did what we're supposed to do. Why are you congratulating us for doing our job? This seems to be the reverse of "OMG Doc's dead" syndrome and is just as scummy.

[hasdgfas]

Which makes me think that there actually IS a jester, since he'd be more likely to be lynched after what I said. However, he doesn't vote for himself...The only reason I can see is someone trying to stop votes on them by claiming a role that wins at loss.

I don't see anything here as saying that you don't think there's a jester.

[hasdgfas]

I understand that you're saying that d3sisted isn't jester, because I don't think he is either. You never say that you don't think there's a jester at all, though, which was my big problem

[hasdgfas]

All right, I understand that, but there was no reason to bring up "Is there a jester?" again, the way that you did, so my vote will stay on for now because of that, and the other thing I quoted that I didn't like one bit.

[hasdgfas]

*bump over locked threads*

[hasdgfas]

Meh, maybe. I understand that point somewhat, I just thought we had gotten over talking about the jester because we decided that it's very unlikely, then Gorrad comes back and begins talking about jester possibilities again.

Also, I will disagree with you about the GJ comment, because in a couple of instances, someone has said that, then turned up scum. Those were the only instances I've seen of someone saying anything to that effect, and each time, it's worked.

I'm going to look over SM again, and see what I can see. Until then, I'm satisfied with my vote on Gorrad.

[hasdgfas]

I am jester.

Ok, this is interresting. d3sisted, can you give us a role name and explanation as to why that role is a jester, please?

I hope that his comment was a joke, but I don't know at this point.

ACTUALLY speculating on this??

I was attempting to speak to Gorrad there about how utterly ridiculous his statement was.

Post 97 = me being really, really tired. But even with that, what's scummy about it?

Really really tired? Lame excuse!! In fact, quite similar to those I pointed out with DeliciousGoldfish who turned out to be scum.

But I also wanted to know why it was scummy so I could defend myself in a better way.

Though I must say that hasdgfas hasn't done anything scummy

*raisedbrow*

The scum know who the townies are, and thus could say this easily hoping to cause this exact situation later.

unvote, vote Natude

because there are many things he can talk about.

AHA!!! DG also goes from d3sisted to Natude as I posted in my first big post of the game

So? I had a good reason for going to Natude. Just because DG did the same thing doesn't mean anything. I always find it scummy when people show up and post "Hi I'm here but don't see anything. Bye."

I can only say what I see, which is that people, first hasdgfas, jumped erroneously onto this. Purposefully or not is the real question.

I had my suspicions earlier and hasdgfas still stands out to me.


I think when you look at DG's(proven scum) interactions and then look at Hasdgfas inside that frame, you can see some quite scummy actions going down.

vote Hasdgfas

You do realize that the scum are trying to win and therefore may act in such a way to put suspicion upon people who otherwise wouldn't be suspected. I'm not saying I'm totally clean of any scummy actions, but very few people, if any, are always seen as pro-town in a mafia game. A great scum tactic is "buddying up" to a pro-town player so that once the scum is lynched, everyone is like "the scum thought X was really pro-town, X must be scum." The truth is, that's rarely the case.

[hasdgfas]

Mod:

Maybe prods are in order?

[hasdgfas]

Gorrad's first post of the day included a "GJ yesterday." Like I've said, it's similar to the "OMG doc's dead" scumtell. I feel it's unnecessary to congratulate the town for doing their job.
However, SM is looking rather scummy. I don't like how she basically says that since she pointed out that DG was scum, she's probably town.
In addition, her post which included a vote on me had some of the worst mafia logic I've ever seen. DG and I voted for the same person, therefore we're both scum. What? DG said I hadn't done anything scummy, therefore I'm scum. What? How could you possibly say that? Did you even think about the fact that the mafia are trying to pit us against each other? The mafia knows who is town and therefore would easily be able to say that.

This isn't even mentioning d3sisted's terrible play day 1. I will gladly vote for SM, but I want more people to post and say what they think before changing my vote.

[hasdgfas]

Gorrad. I'll gladly vote for SM, but I've based a D2 lynch off of something this small before and it was right.
Now you're calling me a scum partner for not voting SM? A scum partner of whom, exactly? SM? We can't be fully sure that she's mafia anyway, now you're calling me a scum partner of someone, I assume of her, based on the fact that I want to lynch you over her at this point?

[hasdgfas]

That's about the long and short of it, yeah.

I'm calling OMGUS on this because you only seem to think I'm mafia based on the fact that I want to lynch you more than her. If there's another reason, I'd love to hear it.

[hasdgfas]

You're close, but there's one point you're forgetting. I think you're scum because you want to vote me over a GJ more than her with d3sisted's astoundingly scummy d1 performance. If, say, TSN had said GJ instead of me and you were jumping on him, I'd still have the same thoughts as I do now.

Right, but I don't want a quicklynch, and we can look for the other scum besides SM. Like you. You and your GJs.

[hasdgfas]

SM: did you read my reply to the "I'm tired" excuse at all?

Also, I erroneously jumped on d3sisted? First off, I didn't think it was wrong at the time. Once you entered the game, I was feeling a bit better about you/d3sisted, but now you seem to be going after me with terrible logic, which, in addition to d3sisted's play on day 1, makes me more suspicious.

You are also simplifying my post. Go reread the post that you took the first quote from. That wasn't my main point.

[hasdgfas]

I think a role claim is in order, since you've pretty much claimed anway.

[hasdgfas]

Name claim too please

[hasdgfas]

EBWOP: In a themed game, those can sometimes help more than a role claim

[hasdgfas]

I find your claim interesting. Perhaps somebody else can tell me why.

I don't know why you find it interesting Haschel, but I have difficulty with Godzilla being vanilla. Psychobilly Freakout was a mafia goon and sounded like a mafia goon. Godzilla sounds like a mafia member as well, but that seems too easy for some reason.

How about you enlighten us, Haschel?

[hasdgfas]

That is a surprisingly good point. Thoughts?

That it's completely WIFOM. She could have that song and be scum, and then say that to make you believe she's not scum by claiming that. I'm willing to hammer, but it's not so much because of SeraphicMirth's play as it is of d3sisted's play Day 1. In addition to it being poor, d3sisted had some connections with DeliciousGoldfish, who turned out to be a mafia goon.

That's about where I was going too. SM's not stupid, she could easily be claiming for WIFOM. I've heard all I need to today.

I really don't like this post. Why couldn't you have just claimed WIFOM instead of saying that it's a good point?

[hasdgfas]

I will re-read SM/d3s and then I

might

hammer depending on what I see.

[hasdgfas]

Ok, I did a quick re-read and have decided that SM would be a good lynch today for multiple reasons.
1) d3sisted was being a complete idiot and didn't do anything pro-town
2) DG appeared to be trying to lessen the pressure on d3s by changing the town's focus
3) She has been changing her suspicions around quite a bit today. She's been hopping between Haschel, Gorrad, and myself throughout basically the entire day, changing which one she finds most suspicious in basically every post. For a long time, she found Haschel as either 1st or 2nd most suspicious, and now she says that he's not suspicious? Odd.
4) The claim seems a bit rough around the edges
5) It's probably the best information lynch we have at this point.

I still find Gorrad most suspicious, but I think that SM is a better lynch right now.

unvote, vote SM

[hasdgfas]

vote: Gorrad

Carry over for the same reasons as before.

[hasdgfas]

I can explain why there was no night. I caused it.

Roleclaim: Player 1

1-shot use of ability to cause day to last 2 lynches long.

I figured that with 2 kills night 1, this would be a good day to use it, and due to the information surrounding SM, I figured that she would be a good information lynch which could give us good info towards finding the other scum.

If you think this role is in any way anti-town, think again. Why would a scum role cause there to be two straight days? It would more likely cause two straight nights if it were a scum role.

[hasdgfas]

I did not say anything about the day extension in the first post after it, so how can you say that I lied? I wanted to see what the reaction was to it before saying anything. Are you confusing me with Haschel? we both have nibbler avatars, so I can see that it might be confusing.

The flavor? I'm player one, I can choose which songs to play, and I choose freebird. It's long, and so is the day that I use my power on.

[hasdgfas]

Espeically considering the role pretty much guarantees that you'll die tonight.

I suppose that's true. If he's not dead tomorrow, then we should probably lynch him then.

X

That leads to so much WIFOM it isn't even funny.

[hasdgfas]

I know that he's been playing badly, that's what makes this so troubling. However, he does have a testable claim. He says he can motivate someone and have them do double their normal night actions. That is testable. (It is also a possible explanation for why there were two kills on night 1, although unlikely, due to him claiming protection of me.)

[hasdgfas]

unvote: FoS: TSPN

Due to exactly what Thanatos said. I don't think it's worth a third vote right now, but I will re-read him and come back with my thoughts on his play all game.

[hasdgfas]

For reference (has, HC) what I'm annoyed at is the Nibbler avatars.

Also, thinking about what Gorrad claimed, is it possible that he claimed something ridiculous like that just to try to survive and use a detrimental ability tonight then claim WIFOM tomorrow when he's alive? I've seen it done in older games before and wondered what other people thought of the possibility.

[hasdgfas]

Hello. I agree with Gorrad on the perspective. I look forward to hearing from you.

[hasdgfas]

sweet, that's awesome. I really want to hear your opinions on the game so far.

[hasdgfas]

Hello all, I'm about to pass out for the night, so I must read this and my other 8 games tomorrow.

Kind of a late tomorrow, isn't it?


And where's mafiaSSK, for that matter?

[hasdgfas]

Uh, I may have totally forgotten about this game. I will read this later, tonight I must go to bed.

this looks familiar.

[hasdgfas]

Waiting on UROE and MSSK. Please post something.

[hasdgfas]

V/LA till April 8

Wait, no, seriously?

unvote, Vote:UROE

[hasdgfas]

V/LA till April 8

Wait, no, seriously?

unvote, Vote:UROE

As tempting as that is, I'm going to assume your kidding.

it's only on there because if he decided to post in-thread that he's V/LA, he could at least post something relating to the game as well.

[hasdgfas]

Hey. I'm here. I was just experimenting to see how long I could go without getting lynched. Apparently a really long time.

Yeah, in this game when it's really quiet and we're waiting for you to provide input. We're not going to lynch you just because you disappear, you get replaced when you disappear. Please provide thoughts on the game. Thank you.

[hasdgfas]

Hey, Alabaska. Good to see you. Please contribute. Please.

[hasdgfas]

every single person. including those who have posted recently.

[hasdgfas]

I'm against an SSK lynch for one simple reason: Out of Gorrad, TSPN, ChaosOmega, Thanatos, hasghfas, and myself, at least one person is Mafia and

another person is an SK.

I know it's not me, and hasghfas looks pretty clear, so that leaves four people who are statistically better lynches today regardless of play. Unless Alabaska or SSK do something amazingly dumb, I don't think either of them is a good lynch today.

Found him.

[hasdgfas]

My first question: How do we know there's an SK?

[hasdgfas]

Mod: I'm sorry but I need a replacement

[hasdgfas]

I'm against an SSK lynch for one simple reason: Out of Gorrad, TSPN, ChaosOmega, Thanatos, hasghfas, and myself, at least one person is Mafia and

another person is an SK.

I know it's not me, and hasghfas looks pretty clear, so that leaves four people who are statistically better lynches today regardless of play. Unless Alabaska or SSK do something amazingly dumb, I don't think either of them is a good lynch today.

Found him.

How the heck did you figure out who the SK is?

Keep in mind that dicking around with the town is a capital offense.

The found him was for reactions, mostly from HC, but also from everyone else. I found this reaction extremely interesting, as though you're nervous about something I said, and only one role would have need to be nervous.

unvote, vote: Thanatos

[hasdgfas]

Are you serious? Thanatos is the most town out of all of us so far. :/ Are we sure hasdgfas' ability is protown?

Most town in your opinion, I believe. That doesn't mean that everyone feels that way.

[hasdgfas]

Can we get claims from both of you who have equal votes? It will help those of us on the fence decide.

[hasdgfas]

Thanatos and hasdgfas really need to post.

Thanks for reading the last page

[hasdgfas]

unvote

TSPN is a good lynch for reasons already stated.

[hasdgfas]

That was an excellent night for us as we should be almost certain that there is only one scum left, which at this point, since game isn't over, is almost certainly an SK.

HC, you should nameclaim as well, if Thanatos is.

[hasdgfas]

Thanatos has been replaced in other games, I think he's left us.

this is very true.

[hasdgfas]

I'm here. Waiting for roleclaims from both parties.

Agreed.

[hasdgfas]

Will prod all later.

Can you please prod at least Thanatos since we're all waiting for him, and replace him if you don't quickly get a response?

[hasdgfas]

Still here, it's been two days since my last post and no one has said anything, why is the action dying down?

We need Thanatos to show up.

[hasdgfas]

Hi Shea. Welcome. We've been waiting for you.

[hasdgfas]

Heya. Confirming my replacement. I will reread monday, as I will be gone this weekend.

where are you.

also, atticus, prod TSQ as he's the one we're waiting for.

[hasdgfas]

*sigh*

[hasdgfas]

Hasn't been on the site since the 6th.

I PM'd him.

[hasdgfas]

Woo! I win too even though Atticus forgot about me! woo!

[hasdgfas]

Oh wait, I have a mini slot free now too! woo!

[hasdgfas]

sorry for the triple endgame post, but I find it funny that the only thing the motivator could motivate were the cop and scum. Why did you do it that way, Atticus?

[hasdgfas]

how was the GF, as you say, "slightly invincible"?

[hasdgfas]

I'm against an SSK lynch for one simple reason: Out of Gorrad, TSPN, ChaosOmega, Thanatos, hasghfas, and myself, at least one person is Mafia and

another person is an SK.

I know it's not me, and hasghfas looks pretty clear, so that leaves four people who are statistically better lynches today regardless of play. Unless Alabaska or SSK do something amazingly dumb, I don't think either of them is a good lynch today.

Found him.

Sorry for yet another postgame post, but I often have things I want to say right afterwards and don't remember them all at once.

I find myself very happy with this post and the ones immediately afterwards, as he did turn out to be the SK.

[hasdgfas]

Also, I'm kind of bummed that my breadcrumbing wound up not affecting the game. If TSQ hadn't been the SK, how convincing was my role reveal?

breadcrumbing role name isn't as useful as breadcrumbing role, so while it might've worked to prove your role name, it does nothing for alignment.

[hasdgfas]

This was a fun game to follow, even if I only got to play for a day

Sorry SM, but since I knew we'd have more of day 2, you were a good info lynch. I hope you don't feel too bad.