Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[eagerSnake]

OK well I'm town so what does that mean to you

No you're not. I'll stop playing mini normals if you are.

Why don't you go ask if 2 town having ascetic is approved for normalcy and balance in a 13p mini normal

[MariaR]

Grendel PP eager Shadow n30 are all town and are never getting lynched with me alive.

[MariaR]

Shadow I know you're town not get in my pocket please.

[Shadow_step]

I'm not lynching anyone but eager today.
If there are two ascetics. This game is bastard.

So I'd rather believe eager is scum than this game is bastard.

[MariaR]

I forgot how stubborn you were cause when I was mafia I could brush you off now I have to LISTEN ugh

fine have it your way I'm lynching outside my townpool gl

[eagerSnake]

Great.. death tunnel... newsflash 2 ascetics is not bastard

[eagerSnake]

I guarantee they'll say it's approved for normalcy

[Shadow_step]

I'm only stubborn when I'm 100% of scum.
Not otherwise.

[MariaR]

Yeah stubborn is the wrong word sorry.

Confident is better

[eagerSnake]

This is why ascetic is such a negative modifier.

[Zoronos]

Well.
The fuck is all this.

Okay, going to try to unpack thoughts a bit:

I ISO'ed Shadow first because frankly he was in my scum list before. His behavior is roughly consistent with a CC, which pains me to say because that means my reads list from previous was super wrong. He does come back to Eager over and over as his touchstone, and frankly I do the same thing when I think I have a lock scum - Get everyone's reads on that player to look for partners. What I can't figure out in that context is he continue to whip votes for LUV after Eager's claim, and then moved on on PP. If he has a hard counter-claimed Eager, why LUV / PP? I get PP more in that context, based on him questioning PP for a read on Eager and PP ignoring it.

I like Maria's commentary on Implosion instantly calling Eager's claim scummy; that's a good analysis of hidden information. Of course it only works if Eager is actually scum, which I'm not frankly super convinced about yet, but +1 Insightful.

Eager:
Why did you vote Boring here:

My vote actually was on no one but I'm fine with it going back to boring

VOTE: boring

[eagerSnake]

Because that's where my vote was before I fake hammered PP and unvoted, but the VC still showed my vote on boring so I just put it back there officially, I guess

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not Voting (5): Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaR

You guys should be voting someone... you can't say you find nothing suspicious so far

Why?

Because only scum find no-one suspicious

Seriously, vote.

I think I'm going to cast a vote after this post. I'm almost caught up.

Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaR

Who do you think is suspicious and why (2 points)

Take a guess.

Why don't you tell us.

I didn't bother to give reads at the time because I had just gave reads like two pages ago.

VOTE: Penguin

I'm back on Penguin. Not feeling enough conviction for a Gamma lynch, mainly because many reasons I'd normally scum read somebody are not effective for reading him. While things like him using my own case against Penguin bothered me, I've seen him sheep other peoples cases as town with out a shred of original thought. Him struggling to explain his read on me beyond a previous game also bugs me, but Gamma generally seems to struggle with explaining himself, which is mostly likely why he endorses what others say as his own. While Penguin gave me some town vibes with his reactions that's all I saw coming from his slot that hit my town radar.

The way that Dier has been posting has been weirding me out a bit. I know that I'm Ob!town to some people who know me well enough, and that I may have instigated it further by my friendly attitude towards him, but Deir is being very defensive of me. I can't tell which fractional intent this is more likely to come from. If we were strangers I'd say its kinda scummy, but we aren't so...

@LUV Lets chat a bit:
How do you feel about the two leading wagons, as well as the individuals on them?
And if this were EoD which wagon would you join?
In this hypothetical situation where would you look next if the one you picked flipped scum? if they flipped town?

I want you to take more active stances. Your note taking, and your otherwise low key posting is not helping me get a hold on your alignment friend.

I'm not too confident in the Gamma wagon and I hate to say it but it's mainly because of meta, Gamma played exactly like this as town in the game me and him were in and again, I don't read any bad intentions with his posts, just awkwardness. The Penguin wagon is where I definitely feel I should hop on to, for reasons that were brought up, some of which were even restated by me.

I think Implosion and nn30 are town, Penguin is scum.
I think you and Diefire are town, and boring I have as null.

If Gamma flipped scum I would probably reconsider my reads on everyone.
If Gamma flipped town I would look at boring, Diefire and Implosion.

If Penguin flipped scum, I would look at Implosion and Shadow.
If Penguin flipped town, I would probably reconsider my reads on everyone.

[eagerSnake]

I assume LUV hasn't read the part where s_s has been chasing ghosts all game and all that mess where this game went from easy to painful in 1 post

[MariaR]

Dear god it's a horse race with boring and LUV

"Here comes boring with bad posts" Oh nvm Luv takes the lead with those reads lists!

WHO'S GONNA WIN MY VOTE!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well this is interesting, a part of me can't help but feel this is all a big distraction to take the heat off of someone.

It seems impossible for this to occur in a normal game, it just puts town at such a disadvantage. The problem is who to believe. Snake's timing of his claim makes a lot of sense regardless alignment. Shadow's claim only makes sense if he's town but doesn't make sense if he's scum. The timing though of his claim is just odd though, which leads me to believe that one of the two are lying.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I honestly don't know what the hell happened the last 5 pages, just seems like poorly calculated move by Shadow regardless if he's telling the truth or not.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Maria, we share like the same reads on 3 or 4 people. Are you saying your reads are awful as well?

[Zoronos]

Because that's where my vote was before I fake hammered PP and unvoted, but the VC still showed my vote on boring so I just put it back there officially, I guess

No, I mean, At this juncture why did you feel Boring was scum?

[eagerSnake]

Honestly just didn't think it would hurt to have my vote there the 2 wagons that were going on seemed to be getting enough votes as it was

[MariaR]

Maria, we share like the same reads on 3 or 4 people. Are you saying your reads are awful as well?

I mean that's just a given

[eagerSnake]

I mean I'm not gonna bother defending myself because I'll just be repeating "the mod gave me this modifier." Lol not much I can do about that

[Zoronos]

Honestly just didn't think it would hurt to have my vote there the 2 wagons that were going on seemed to be getting enough votes as it was

That's not the question I asked grrr.
Why is she scum?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not sure how much time we have left but yeah this argument isn't going to go anywhere. Time to rest up and wake up hopefully to everyone else's reactions.

[eagerSnake]

Beyond the fact she got a scum role PM? Hard to say. I'd say she seems happy to see this conflict which is scummy fmpov