Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[eagerSnake]

By post 476 you were still 'lying in the wait' you weren't being aggressive because you didn't want to give yourself away, remember?

[eagerSnake]

Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
Gonna have to rethink my reads.
UNVOTE:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.

Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?

It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.

Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?

I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.

[nn30]

I've got a few things I want to respond to later but for now why are people assuming nn30 is town again?

I'm not afraid to go after someone when I see the need to. I draw attention to myself doing so (which scum don't want).

I won't force a re-read on you but the vast majority of people have town read me at one point or another (for differing reasons).

I read your post which detailed why you thought I was scum. You make some good points. For example, my saying saying I'm the most ob! town person here is classic scum logic. In a vacuum I'd agree with you. However, I implore you to consider it within the context of the current game - where tons of people had already stated a strong town read on me - and take a second look at me.

[eagerSnake]

@LUV that seems highly unlikely

[nn30]

VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.

nn you are seriously thick.
This is day 1. I tried several times for reads from eager. He either kept giving in related responses or avoiding it all together and he was getting away with all of it cause lol day 1. What the hell did you expect me to do ask his read on every player till he does, keep shouting at him? You are being extremely unreasonable.

You had, in your mind, a conf! scum read on him. You could have waited any amount of time you wished. Given more time, you almost certainly would have gotten relevant information out of him. Instead you blew your load early and, as a result, have exactly one viable town read as a result of Eager's actions.

If you're town, that's bad play and misuse of your advantage.

I don't think you're a bad player - hence why I think you're scum.

[nn30]

What do you want from me?

I had my vote on boring all day and nobody even nibbled at it, usually I would think scum would at least take a nibble at it. This makes it more likely boring is scum. Also boring seems happy with this conflict and jumped on me without any question, also used the gambler's fallacy to her own defense.

I'm liking this logic a lot.

If true, it links Boring to Shadow_Step as well. Boring seemingly needed 0 convincing to join the Eager Snake wagon. See below.

This game just got easy .

Kidding lol

Hello eager, do you have any early reads?

Anyone else can also answer this.

Eager is probably a goon and would be doing most of the kills and hence might have the biggest chance of getting caught so he claimed to have ascetic.

I'm town ascetic.
First thing I did after reading Eager's claim was confirm with the mod that he sent me the right role PM.

VOTE: eagerSnake good enough for me.

Took 3 minutes from Shadow's announcement in 642 that he's town Ascetic for her to jump on the Eager Snake wagon.

Plus, boring's read of Shadow from her rainbow post feels wonky to me.

Shadow_step - Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.

As I've stated before, Shadow's behavior prior to CCing ascetic wasn't very aggressive.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm thinking boring and Shadow are scumbuddies.
VOTE: Shadow_step

[nn30]

@Eager - I know that you think you're both town ascetic with Shadow. However, pretend for a moment that there are other possibilities. I'd like your best argument for:

1) You both being town

2) Shadow being scum and CCing you

[nn30]

I'm thinking boring and Shadow are scumbuddies.
VOTE: Shadow_step

This disagrees with your 867. What caused you to change your mind?

[nn30]

VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.

Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?

It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.

Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?

I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.

If this is true, what was he distracting from with the CC?

My best guesses are PP and GE - since they both had (small) wagons on them when Shadow CC'd.

But... that wasn't enough pressure to do much.

What are your thoughts? What was scum!Shadow's goal with CCing?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm thinking boring and Shadow are scumbuddies.
VOTE: Shadow_step

This disagrees with your 867. What caused you to change your mind?

Me realizing boring's poorly formed read on Shadow was probably scum trying to find things that aren't there. You could call it "matching evidence to reads".

[Shadow_step]

I'm thinking boring and Shadow are scumbuddies.
VOTE: Shadow_step

Scum buddy confirmed.

[Shadow_step]

Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.

[eagerSnake]

@Eager - I know that you think you're both town ascetic with Shadow. However, pretend for a moment that there are other possibilities. I'd like your best argument for:

1) You both being town

2) Shadow being scum and CCing you

Best argument for him being town is that it makes no sense to cc me as scum in his position. If he was scum he would know I'm town which means he's knowingly putting himself into a 1/1 trade with me, which is not optimal as scum, and I don't consider myself a big enough threat for it to become an optimal play. Also his play is in line with his claim and motivation. If scum wanted me dead, it's highly unlikely and ridiculously suboptimal to do it this way, rather than just NKing me. Unless, of course, he knew I would advocate for both of us being town, and thought he would still survive after I flip, but theres extremely low chance of him knowing that.

Best argument for him being scum and ccing me is that his scumbuddy was under heat and he needed to cause a distraction, even if it ended in his own death tomorrow. That scum buddy would be in [boring, pp, gamma]

The former is more likely

[nn30]

OMG nn you are biggest dumbfuck ever.
You want me claim ascetic on day 6?
Or, " I don't have enough info yet, so let's on scum eager live another day and lynch someone else." That's what you expect me to do? Are you that fucking dense?

I absolutely expect you to do that.

Sacrificing a townie so that you can identify more scum is absolutely good play.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.

This happened:

Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read

[PenguinPower]

Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.

This happened:

Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read

Why does it sound like a fake read to you?

[Shadow_step]

OMG nn you are biggest dumbfuck ever.
You want me claim ascetic on day 6?
Or, " I don't have enough info yet, so let's on scum eager live another day and lynch someone else." That's what you expect me to do? Are you that fucking dense?

I absolutely expect you to do that.

Sacrificing a townie so that you can identify more scum is absolutely good play.

No its not

Lynching ob scum is always better than taking a shot in the dark

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, I can see scum!boring doing that with Shadow being Town or scum.
VOTE: boring

[eagerSnake]

Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.

This happened:

Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read

Why does it sound like a fake read to you?

Because I don't see where she draws this conclusion based on his posting at that point. Especially not enough to have him as top tr of the game

[PenguinPower]

Not you.

[Shadow_step]

GE/Eager scum team. Calling it right now. Not sure who Tue 3rd wheel is.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.

This happened:

Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read

Why does it sound like a fake read to you?

Well for one, the "powertown" (what boring said Shadow was doing) is a scum tactic: I know thanks to Transcend's old sig. Shadow also hadn't really started pressing Eager yet.