Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

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Official Vote Count 1.23

Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

boring (5): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion, Gamma Emerald, nn30
eagerSnake (3): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower
PenguinPower (2): Dierfire, Grendel
Shadow_step (1): Lil Uzi Vert
implosion (1): Prism

Not Voting (1): Zoronos

V/LA: Gamma Emerald

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)

[eagerSnake]

The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646

The question is would you hard defend town

[Gamma Emerald]

Its not opportunistic. Eager has been cced. He is conf scum. Why is boring's vote opportunistic and not PP?

1) Eager was on her all day
2) Naked vote following a major case

[Shadow_step]

The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646

I'm saying you are capable.
I don't know your meta, we only played one game where you were scum.

Okay now this is true.

Can you please vote Eager now?
*makes puppy face*

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.

[MariaR]

The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646

The question is would you hard defend town

I want to say uhhh Yes?
I've never been put in that spot but I imagine I would

[MariaR]

The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646

I'm saying you are capable.
I don't know your meta, we only played one game where you were scum.

Okay now this is true.

Can you please vote Eager now?
*makes puppy face*

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.

Pls not the puppy face
I don't see why eager would claim right at day start as scum
his logic seems to add up at least to me

Honestly I'm at the point where if boring doesn't flip scum I'm gonna take another look at snake I really think you're just wrong here.

[eagerSnake]

Eager playing his role strongly he's doing exactly what I'd expect if he was cc'd scum

You mean I'm doing exactly what I should do regardless of alignment, which makes my actions either

A) Genuine townplay
OR
B) Perfect scumplay

[Shadow_step]

Its not opportunistic. Eager has been cced. He is conf scum. Why is boring's vote opportunistic and not PP?

1) Eager was on her all day
2) Naked vote following a major case

That isn't what I asked.
Why isn't PP's vote also opportunistic?

[eagerSnake]

@Gamma I'm sure you've seen my spiel about self-voting as town... Question: Do you think that this situation warrants being a pro-town reason for wanting to be lynched?

[Gamma Emerald]

Its not opportunistic. Eager has been cced. He is conf scum. Why is boring's vote opportunistic and not PP?

1) Eager was on her all day
2) Naked vote following a major case

That isn't what I asked.
Why isn't PP's vote also opportunistic?

It probably also is, but PP didn't give a BS townread on you.

[eagerSnake]

Spoiler: "How I feel about this"

I cannot take this anymore
I'm saying everything I've said before
All these words they make no sense
I find bliss in ignorance
Less I hear the less you'll say
But you'll find that out anyway
Just like before
Everything you say to me
Takes me one step closer to the edge
And I'm about to break
I need a little room to breathe
'Cause I'm one step closer to the edge
And I'm about to break
I find the answers aren't so clear
Wish I could find a way to disappear
All these thoughts they make no sense
I find bliss in ignorance
Nothing seems to go away
Over and over again
Just like before

[Shadow_step]

The only time I hard defended a partner is when I was begged to do it in open 646

I'm saying you are capable.
I don't know your meta, we only played one game where you were scum.

Okay now this is true.

Can you please vote Eager now?
*makes puppy face*

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.

Pls not the puppy face
I don't see why eager would claim right at day start as scum
his logic seems to add up at least to me

Honestly I'm at the point where if boring doesn't flip scum I'm gonna take another look at snake I really think you're just wrong here.

Him gambiting makes more sense than two ascetics.
Let's just imagine I was a VT and he was mafia fking ascetic.
Look at the rewards, he gets townread till day 2 at least and won't be bothered at night.

[boring]

@eager - I'm not sure you understand what buddying means. Most of what you posted was criticism. Also, why do you keep repeating that I'm happy about the conflict? I've been around for very little of this little scum theater.

@town? - eager has been coasting, and the only thing in the way of my gut scumlean was the fact that he had an uncc'd claim. A cc from an obvious town player was more than enough reason to vote him. Either way, how can so many of you accept eager's piss-poor "town" performance without resistance? I mean, eager has bragged twice now about how shitty town is playing by not calling him out for his lazy vote. You're all just taking the insult with pride, it would appear. The only positive thing I can say about this development is my wagon. It decreases the likelihood that eagerSnake, MariaR and implosion are ALL scum. I'll have to try to knock at least one out of the running.

If scum want to chainsaw me up to L-1, that's fine, but don't let them hammer without warning. I'll try to be back again tomorrow to check on things.

p-edit - S_s's play and tone were very aggressive early on.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I'm sure you've seen my spiel about self-voting as town... Question: Do you think that this situation warrants being a pro-town reason for wanting to be lynched?

It might be, but I'd prefer you not anyway, as that removes a vote to analyze, and in my first game lynches where the victim self voted were: a reasonable case(Oracle), scum, and an unreasonable case(town Tracker CCed scum Tracker).

[eagerSnake]

Nah I wouldn't self-vote as like you said that removes information, but I wouldn't let a wagon that I'm not 100% sure of go through, instead I'd opt myself to be lynched

[eagerSnake]

Also, why do you keep repeating that I'm happy about the conflict? I've been around for very little of this little scum theater.

Where do you get "scum theater?" Who am I scum theatering with?

[nn30]

WHAT IS THIS BS?????

The same thing I've been saying the past 5+ pages, nn30 and implosion are my top two scumreads and despite Eager playing his role strongly he's doing exactly what I'd expect if he was cc'd scum. If it flips town I wouldn't be shocked at either of you/Gamma turning out to be scum.

Wagon is 5 people.

I realize.

I have exactly 0 trust in your ability to scumread. Between 614 and 628 you imply (Penguin) or directly state (7 other names) feel scummy. That's 8/13 town members. Your list in 1013 has 3 people (myself included) who I feel are towny.

I didn't respond to your line of questioning towards me originally because without an "@nn30" somewhere in the post I'm likely to skim it and assume it was addressed to someone else.

The fact that I failed to reply to you is not enough of a reason to scum read me.

As far as my read of implosion, I still don't town read him but I found his responses to my lines of questioning satisfying (for the time being). Plus he dropped off the face of the map, nobody else seemed interested in talking about him, so I moved on.

[Prism]

You mean I'm doing exactly what I should do regardless of alignment, which makes my actions either

A) Genuine townplay
OR
B) Perfect scumplay

I don't think realizing that getting Shadow lynched is suicidal takes a mafia genius and you're not going to sell me on that one.

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.

Pls not the puppy face
I don't see why eager would claim right at day start as scum
his logic seems to add up at least to me

Honestly I'm at the point where if boring doesn't flip scum I'm gonna take another look at snake I really think you're just wrong here.[/quote]You claim at the day start and get the risk of being found ascetic out of the way immediately. I believe he's ascetic-I doubt he's a town one. You don't expect two in a game even if you're mafia.

As far as taking other looks at people, I again urge to to ISO nn30 if you are town.

Prism you shouldn't be okay with the boring wagon because of your scum reads and you should be voting eager.

I'm not okay with it and I'm voting one of my top two scumreads, I can vote Eager but I doubt it will do much good without serious reconsideration of the people on the wagon to begin with.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eager

[eagerSnake]

Prism have you tried to directly interact with me at all?

[eagerSnake]

Or are you also entrapped by the logical fallacy "there cant be 2 town with ascetic"

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.

Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?

It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.

Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?

I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.

If this is true, what was he distracting from with the CC?

My best guesses are PP and GE - since they both had (small) wagons on them when Shadow CC'd.

But... that wasn't enough pressure to do much.

What are your thoughts? What was scum!Shadow's goal with CCing?

GE and PP. Their wagons were small but there were various players discussing the cases presented against both in great detail and length. There was pressure for both players to explain their actions and things they've said. It was understood that we would be lynching Gamma or Penguin today. Discussion was happening and it was discussion that would lead to finding scum regardless of how either flipped.

I'm not entirely sure what his goal is other than to remove suspicion from one of Gamma and Penguin, maybe potentially even both. Either that or he read Snake as being a potential threat and he's willing to gamble in order to get rid of him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Shadow

If both of you are town we are seriously fucked.

Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?

It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.

Then what is the reason Sherlock?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?

I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.

Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmao

You're the one that's terrible my friend. The only case you have on Eager is that you cannot fathom that both you and him were given the same role. You either refuse or won't take into consideration a town motive for lying. If Eager had not claimed, your read on him would be null. You have no backup plan if he flips town and if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.

[Prism]

I have exactly 0 trust in your ability to scumread. Between 614 and 628 you imply (Penguin) or directly state (7 other names) feel scummy. That's 8/13 town members. Your list in 1013 has 3 people (myself included) who I feel are towny.

I didn't respond to your line of questioning towards me originally because without an "@nn30" somewhere in the post I'm likely to skim it and assume it was addressed to someone else.

The fact that I failed to reply to you is not enough of a reason to scum read me.

As far as my read of implosion, I still don't town read him but I found his responses to my lines of questioning satisfying (for the time being). Plus he dropped off the face of the map, nobody else seemed interested in talking about him, so I moved on.

More of nn30 not actually caring about what I'm saying and just giving a response for the sake of it.

Does anyone want to go read #797?

P-edit @Eager: Not really, no. Feel free to vote implosion or nn30 if you want. It's also not a logical fallacy, you're significantly less likely to be town because of it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't get the case for boring, she's new to site so it's possible she has never seen scum act like Shadow had acted early on in the game, she stated reasons for why she found Eager's claiming terrible and she called him out for coasting. I can see why she voted for Eager.

[eagerSnake]

boring has experience on another site