Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[podoboq]

(Driving. Will post vc here later)

EDIT: Leaving in the parenthetical for context.

Official Vote Count 1.24

Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

boring (5): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion, Gamma Emerald, nn30
eagerSnake (3): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower
PenguinPower (2): Dierfire, Grendel
Shadow_step (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): Zoronos, Prism

V/LA: Gamma Emerald

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)

[eagerSnake]

Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't post while driving folks

[Zoronos]

Shadow_step - Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.
eagerSnake - He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless

These were Boring's top two town reads at one point. She flipped on her second top town read as soon as her first CC'ed him on a modifier, without further investigation. I find that questionable.
I am further surprised that not a single person brought up that she was willing to trash her town reads that quickly. But w/e.

Anyway, I want to hear what Boring has to say once she comes back; my gut wants her to be scum (hello conf-bias) but I can't justify just throwing down the hammer without giving her a chance to say her piece.

[nn30]

Shadow_step - Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.
eagerSnake - He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless

These were Boring's top two town reads at one point. She flipped on her second top town read as soon as her first CC'ed him on a modifier, without further investigation. I find that questionable.
I am further surprised that not a single person brought up that she was willing to trash her town reads that quickly. But w/e.

Anyway, I want to hear what Boring has to say once she comes back; my gut wants her to be scum (hello conf-bias) but I can't justify just throwing down the hammer without giving her a chance to say her piece.

Good catch Zoro. I agree this looks fishy.

[Gamma Emerald]

She's at L-2

[Zoronos]

Shadow_step - Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.
eagerSnake - He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless

These were Boring's top two town reads at one point. She flipped on her second top town read as soon as her first CC'ed him on a modifier, without further investigation. I find that questionable.
I am further surprised that not a single person brought up that she was willing to trash her town reads that quickly. But w/e.

Anyway, I want to hear what Boring has to say once she comes back; my gut wants her to be scum (hello conf-bias) but I can't justify just throwing down the hammer without giving her a chance to say her piece.

Good catch Zoro. I agree this looks fishy.

It alone isn't damning. If her only reason for town reading Eager was his claim, then it makes some sense to flip on him in that situation. I would have investigated further (and, well, did) but she's V/LA which could be introducing noise.
So, yeah, interested in what she has to say. We have a week to let her post her side of things.

I am skeptical of boxing my thought process in to "We have competing claims we must lynch one of them must must must" unless we are hitting the 'Two people claimed non-Normal roles in a normal game' situation.

[eagerSnake]

I think she might've picked up on him coming after me repeatedly, and wanted to use a townread on him as leverage if he ever made a real push on me. I really can't figure out why he was her top tr other than that. Her claimed reason for having him top tr his fake. Hell I was just as aggressive as he was if not more aggressive i.e. "then vote me you scared child"

[Zoronos]

Y'all a talkative bunch tonight I see.

Dierfire and Grendel, I'm curious what you guys think of these shenanigans?

[Prism]

Phone post so keeping it short again.

I think I've been tunneling way too hard on nn30/imposion, whenever I feel like I'm not being heard I tend to get more and more assertive to match and that's a dangerous pitfall to fall into. nn's response to me was good and seemed genuine, on the other hand I still don't like implosion, especially his last post on boring.

ISOing LUV however has made it pretty clear I've been wrong to give him and others a pass while I tunneled. For now I'm going to
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Phone post so keeping it short again.

I think I've been tunneling way too hard on nn30/imposion, whenever I feel like I'm not being heard I tend to get more and more assertive to match and that's a dangerous pitfall to fall into. nn's response to me was good and seemed genuine, on the other hand I still don't like implosion, especially his last post on boring.

ISOing LUV however has made it pretty clear I've been wrong to give him and others a pass while I tunneled. For now I'm going to
UNVOTE:

You were on Eager

[PenguinPower]

You were on Eager

You're really good at calling out the obivous.

[Grendel]

Right, so Shadow has no motivation as scum to pull a gambit like this. Shadow is town.

Eagar... well I am wary of a world were two town aesthetics exist, but his play falls more in line with how I'd expect scum to play in this situation. Dissuading a wagon on both claims, assuring the other claim that they are both town (then trying to scare em' if they can't convince em'), and most importantly sowing seeds of doubt. Lines of thought like, "Lynch me and it'll be two mislynches in a row", are a step away from fear mongering imo.

If we don't overcome this, we will almost certainly lose.

Lol, I sound just like this when I'm caught scum. "Don't lynch me guys, It could mean the game!"

So when I flip town you're lynching s_s? Everyone that is voting me is because "2 town with ascetic no way" so that applies to s_s unfortunately once I flip town

If Eager thinks that Shadow is town why would he be making little jabs like this to scare him off? If Eager were to keep trying to convince Shadow he, Eager, was town instead it would have come across as genuine, the way Snake is going about this doesn't look like town trying to convince town.

If Eager is town why wasn't he doing more to convince people he is town at this point?

All I saw was belly aching. While I don't doubt the legitimacy of him being frustrated, it certainly gave him a good excuse to not actually do anything helpful.

@shadow Okay, and when I flip town, how do you intend to survive tomorrows lynch?

This one here in particular, not only is it a passive scare tactic, but it reminds me a whole lot like how Scum!Snake tried to avoid getting strung up in the last game we were in together. He tried to dissuade his wagon by appearing like a town thinking in the long term with questions involving what happens after he flips town. I will say though that the couple posts before that, were he asked how shadow would read Gamma, and boring tomorrow, were actually okay lines of thought.

I think there were a few other times Eager did something resembling data generating, and creating discussion, but for the most part he just shouts that he and shadow are town, and leaves it at that.

[Grendel]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: EagerSnake

I was going to look more into boring since she is the leading wagon, but I feel like Snake is much scummier atm.

[Grendel]

If it weren't for the cc sending me reads all over the place I think I'd be less comfortable being on the same wagon with PP.

This has been quite a development.

[Gamma Emerald]

(Driving. Will post vc here later)

EDIT: Leaving in the parenthetical for context.

Lol just noticed this

[eagerSnake]

Hey. Grendel. I'm actually town but nice wallpost

[Shadow_step]

@Prism get back on eager.

[eagerSnake]

We still need to hear from dierfire

[Grendel]

Hey. Grendel. I'm actually town but nice wallpost

Well, I'll look into Boring too, but many of your posts have been down right manipulative.

Playing into unknowing majority's fear is a really scum oriented strategy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey. Grendel. I'm actually town but nice wallpost

Well, I'll look into Boring too, but many of your posts have been down right manipulative.

Playing into unknowing majority's fear is a really scum oriented strategy.

How has he been doing that?
Also, your summary has made me rethink again due to what I did Day 5 in NPBR. Vote stays for now though.

[Grendel]

Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?

I will say that this ad hommin was pretty funny.

Hey. Grendel. I'm actually town but nice wallpost

Well, I'll look into Boring too, but many of your posts have been down right manipulative.

Playing into unknowing majority's fear is a really scum oriented strategy.

How has he been doing that?
Also, your summary has made me rethink again due to what I did Day 5 in NPBR. Vote stays for now though.

Saying things like, "you're gonna lose if you vote me" is playing with people's fear of losing.

He said things like that on several occasions. did you not read what I said?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't realize that was what you said it was, Grendel.
Any response to what I said about NPBR?

[eagerSnake]

So you scumread me for truthtelling, Grendel?

[Gamma Emerald]

So you scumread me for truthtelling, Grendel?

Saying we're gonna lose isn't the truth in any capacity.