Micro 651: Worst (Role) Idea(s) Mafia 2 (Fin - Town Win!)

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I don't want no skrubs

VOTE: Skrub

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What's your Deal with skrubs, Light?

Why the hate for maru?

VOTE: +__+

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Jaack are you required to change your vote with every post?

I don't know about jaack but

I

have to change my vote in every post

VOTE: Vedith

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I am both unlynchable, and not aligned with the town.

Lynch away

I'm guessing lynchproof jester?

VOTE: jaack

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Why do people keep claiming 'third party but don't kill me', its not exactly useful

VOTE: TierShift

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I'm not anti town

I don't get why letting SK kill me is bad for you?

Considering the mechanics of this game, could this be a scum gambit?

VOTE: Maruchan

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@Vedith - I must agree VOTE: TierShift

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Plus, I haven't indicated that I CAN'T win with the town, nor have I indicated a willingness to win with any other faction, unlike Tierce, so you'd think that you'd be more willing to listen to me than to tierce

See, this is neutral that I trust

I get why you trust this but consider this scenario: scum claims third party and says they can win with town. We can't necessarily take third party claims at their word

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So he's not town. There's gonna be tons of nit town. He's wiling to make more towny wincon available,

or so it seems

. Why don't we a want this?

The bolded is precisely my reason for not automatically trusting a day one non-town claim. What if he is the serial killer, and he's lying about getting the serial killer to 'team up' with him? It would be an awful good way to screw us over

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Right, I'll start with skrub and go from there

Why do people keep claiming 'third party but don't kill me', its not exactly useful

VOTE: TierShift

Why would someone who is town say this instead of being glad that they know who's 3rd party now? It makes it easier to sort people out and you can grill the 3rd parties to find out whether or not you can trust them.

What? I mean actually, what? Why the hell would I be glad of someone revealing they are not town, but oh no we mustn't lynch them they've got to team up with the serial killer first? I mean if you're going to say that you should come out and full claim and then let us decide based on the claim. All claiming non-specific third party does is force us to make decisions based on incomplete information. There is no way of knowing whether or not we should trust them.

I'm not anti town

I don't get why letting SK kill me is bad for you?

Considering the mechanics of this game, could this be a scum gambit?

VOTE: Maruchan

He says this and then format make any effort to try and figure out of tier is really scum. It's just an empty post. Even when he votes for him again in his next post he doesn't ask tier any questions.

Until this post I was reasonably confident tier was the SK making a gambit here, but quite frankly this post suggests he's your buddy.

Plus, I haven't indicated that I CAN'T win with the town, nor have I indicated a willingness to win with any other faction, unlike Tierce, so you'd think that you'd be more willing to listen to me than to tierce

See, this is neutral that I trust

I get why you trust this but consider this scenario: scum claims third party and says they can win with town. We can't necessarily take third party claims at their word

If we can't take their claims at their word why aren't you interacting with any of them to figure out which ones you can trust?

So he's not town. There's gonna be tons of nit town. He's wiling to make more towny wincon available,

or so it seems

. Why don't we a want this?

The bolded is precisely my reason for not automatically trusting a day one non-town claim. What if he is the serial killer, and he's lying about getting the serial killer to 'team up' with him? It would be an awful good way to screw us over

Oh and didn't you say that you have to change your vote in every post? Why'd you stop doing it?

Lazy scum hunting right here. Yep I forgot to change my vote, check the fucking vote count and you'll see it reverts to a self-vote if I fail to change my vote

VOTE: TierShift

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Yes it is. Well if you are a townie skrub you're a fucking fool, we kill this tomorrow

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This pretty much rules out {tier, skrub} as scum team. Skrub is practically confscum now, don't think I need to explain this one. Still think tier's SK but we'll see it with the flip.

@Vedith - yes I can, the self vote is only temporary.

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Oh shit, I thought he was at L-2. Eh, doesn't really matter because he's scum anyway.

Yeah right, why would you have said this then:

VOTE: tiershift

Thanks for bussing your buddy, light.

Scum confirmed, you eat rope tomorrow

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VOTE: Skrub

Analysis incoming but I want this to eat rope today

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Firstly, really sorry I haven't checked in the last two days, kinda got snowed under with work for my A-levels.

Secondly, let's analyse Skrub, and why I want him dead:

On the one hand, some people make good points in favor of lynching tiershift. On the other hand some people make good points against lynching tiershift. Therefore, I will go with whatever the popular opinion as expressed in the thread is. But whatever the result is, don't blame me. But I think the best choice is to lynch tiershift afther we discuss things that aren't tiershift for a while.

This kind of sounds like the mindset of scum, but scum wouldn't have any reason to announce that they'll just vote for whoever everyone else votes for. So I guess I have a town lean on you right now.

So this looks scum, so it isn't scum? Was there any point in saying it other than trying to look busy? And if it sounds like a scum mindset to you why does it leave you thinking 'town-lean'?

How is that calling him out if I said that he's a town lean?

Again, why give someone a town read for a post you think shows a scum mindset? Is it because he's solidly townread by pretty much everyone else?

I still don't get why people support a tier lynch

Literally gives no indication of this changing before he hammers tier whatsoever. How do you go from 'no reasons to support a wagon' to hammering without expressing some sort of view on the guy?

Already gone over his weak-ass case on me

VOTE: tiershift

Thanks for bussing your buddy, light.

Oh shit, I thought he was at L-2. Eh, doesn't really matter because he's scum anyway.

Even without any other reason to vote him, in my opinion these two posts in quick succession effectively confirm Skrub as scum. Judging by the comment skrub must've known he was hammering, I can see no reason for him to feel the need to make it if he wasn't (a) gloating town who thinks he's just killed scum or (b) scum trying to look like (a). Either way, it makes it obvious he knew he was hammering. There is no way in hell he genuinely thought it was L-2 and to walk back on that in his very next post is an obvious lie. This is so scummy it hurts

I think Vax is scum. He hasn't tried to figure out the game at all and his posts don't give me the impression that he cares about finding scum.

VOTE: vaxkiller

Light, come at me bruh. I can take anything you can dish out and in the end you'll just look silly.

So you end day one insisting I'm scum then go after vax at the start of day two? Why not vote your longer-held scum read?

Wow, an OMGUS vote. That's like straight out of the Scum 101 handbook.

Please,

I'll let you know when its OMGUS. Also since when are OMGUS votes alignment indicative?

It's indicative when you back up your OMGUS with ridiculously weak reasoning.

Not weak reasoning. It's obvious you knew you were hammering.

You're just making me repeat myself over and over again. Yeah, it's true that I didn't think we should lynch him for most of day 1. Then I noticed how light was acting suspicious of him but not really doing anything with that suspicion and it felt off to me so I voted for tier.

It's 100% the truth though. I don't know why you're asking me to explain myself if you're just going to brush aside what I'm saying and not even try to listen to me

It's the truth, therefore it adds up. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, the fact still remains that I haven't lied about anything. Instead of wasting everyone's time by just saying "no, you're scum" any time I post anything, you should focus your attention on the people who are actually suspicious like vax.

Misdirection, misdirection, misdirection. At this point you've given no reason why you jumped straight from town-read to hammer

without at least stating your read had changed

. I honestly cannot believe that if you genuinely scum-read me with tier you'd hammer without saying anything abut how your read on him had changed.

I know that this sounds really convenient, but I was writing out a post about why I thought tier and light were partners and then the day ended right before I could post it

Yes, it sounds highly convenient. Do me a favour, if you did think this could you outline what you would've said, just so everyone can get their heads round your though process?

And couldn't you have done this

before

you voted?

If I was scum how would sheeping everyone else make me get caught? Most of the time people barely even bother with analyzing wagons after a mislynch, so it's pretty safe to just sheep what everyone else is doing.

As an aside, I genuinely don't see how this post benefits any alignment

You're not gonna get town cred from protecting a 3rd party even if they help us. That's a dumb argument. Changing my mind isn't scummy. You can't cast shade as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact nothing I did was inherently scummy.

You could argue that you refusing to even attempt to give me the benefit of the doubt and pushing me for weak reasons could be scum motivated. Looks like there's no Pulitzer in your future.

This is nothing more than gish gallop tbh

Out of those 2, you're the only one that i have a town read on. Vax is obvscum and light is null. Why wouldn't I try to change your mind about mislynching me?

So I'm null now am I? Please explain in more detail than 'I thought you were tier's partner' because that wasn't why you scum read me when you cased me on day one.

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Accidental hammers happen from all alignments.

Accidents happen. This was an "Accident"

I understand your disapproving tone. I do not, however, agree.

Except I don't see how anyone could think that was an accident?

VOTE: Skrub I keep forgetting my restriction

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Since we have two unaligned non-towns flipped and a confirmed serial killer lurking the following are possibilities:

4 town, 1 sk, 1 other thing that needs rope
5 town, 1 sk
Some bs where there is no sk but there's a role that announces the existence of a sk for the lols.

No analysis in this post, just some information.

Was re-reading and I saw this post, surely option two would mean there is no mafia team? Am I wrong in thinking there has to be a mafia team in order for scum hunting/associative tells to be relevant?

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Agh sorry I keep forgetting to check in VOTE: ari

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VOTE: Skrub still not lynching anything other than this today

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Honestly, it's hardly a tunnel if they're scum. @Vax no way in hell do I unvote, quite frankly this dies or I die because I'm not moving today

VOTE: Aristo

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VOTE: Skrub

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@Ari
If I can get through to light to unvote, will you vote Skrub

If he doesn't unvote, he's pretty ice just going to be today's lynch. So that's up to h ok m. I would switch to Skrub though, yes. I'm happy with either lynch, so if we hammer this now I don't mind.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Aristophanes

I genuinely missed why you wanted me to unvote before, sorry about that

As for skrub's partner, and I'm currently thinking under the assumption that he has one as we haven't hit groupscum yet and I'm pretty sure there has to be groupscum (?), I would say you were the most likely candidate, but its a super weak read associative so I don't really know what to think. I don't see jaack as scum.

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Is your role just a posting ristriction, Light?

It is. I must change my vote every post, or my vote reverts to myself. The latter part of this ability will not work if I explicitly don't vote in an attempt to prove the restriction exists.
VOTE: Vedith

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Nothing else to it but that

And yes, I would have said that was a slip as opposed to a joke.

VOTE: Aristophanes

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It was damage control before things got out of hand

If this was your mindset, why make the joke in the first place?

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Dear god, I literally thought "be careful don't hammer yourself" before making that post