Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[Grendel]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: EagerSnake

I was going to look more into boring since she is the leading wagon, but I feel like Snake is much scummier atm.

Hey. Grendel. I'm actually town but nice wallpost

Well, I'll look into Boring too, but many of your posts have been down right manipulative.

Playing into unknowing majority's fear is a really scum oriented strategy.

So, Grendel, you said you'd look into Boring. What did you come up with?

(I read back over the ISO like I said, I see the pivot point onto Eager from his previous Eager-Town, Boring-Suspicious stance. Not entirely convinced by it, but let's run this line of questioning and see where we go)

Yeah i'll look into boring. I was really hoping that Eager would be an open shut case, but I'm beginning to think its not.

Snake also pointed out that he parked his vote on Boring the entire day - and nobody nibbled - meaning 0 scum tried to hop onto the wagon and test the waters(implying that Boring herself is scum, causing the lack of interest in her wagon). I like this logic a lot.

Bold is mine. Since we're all fans of the complicated and intricate in this game, why could scum not orchestrate that in their day chat?

Are you implying that scum are trying to set up a boring lynch later?

I mean, why would scum consciously say, "lets not vote boring fam", if she were town. It seems like a pretty unlikely thing for town to pick up on normally. Therefore not something that scum would preemptively set up.

Do you think boring is town then?

Pre-edit
I hate playing when everybody is on all at once because I always feel like I'm getting flooded out by other's content .-.

I'm also disturbed by the fact that virtually no one has read me for alignment or outed a single read on me in 24 posts.

Grendel's recent one is the closest attempt.

You poor, attention depraved soul.
I'll be sure to look more into you soon.

[nn30]

@Prism - the way you switched off of me felt towny.

*pats prism on the head*

[Prism]

I appreciate it but that's one of the least important posts I've made.

[Prism]

ie. I'd rather hear why someone that isn't implosion disagree with the points I've made about implosion.

[PenguinPower]

Are you implying that scum are trying to set up a boring lynch later?

I mean, why would scum consciously say, "lets not vote boring fam", if she were town. It seems like a pretty unlikely thing for town to pick up on normally. Therefore not something that scum would preemptively set up.

Do you think boring is town then?

I'm not implying anything. I simply stating that nn30's case would be good logic without day chat. Not necessarily so with. I also haven't hidden my town read on boring, and have never stated anything otherwise.

[eagerSnake]

@Prism this is for you

Spoiler: "D1 Wagons assuming s_s&pp town and boring&implosion scum"

wagon1:
Lil Uzi Vert (3): Shadow_step, implosion, PenguinPower

wagon2:
Zoronos (4): DierFire, MariaR, boring, Gamma Emerald

wagon3:
PenguinPower (5): Grendel, Shadow_step, boring, Dierfire, nn30

wagon4:
Gamma Emerald (3): implosion, PenguinPower, MariaR

wagon5:
PenguinPower (5): Grendel, Shadow_step, boring, Dierfire, Gamma Emerald

wagon6:
Gamma Emerald (3): implosion, PenguinPower, nn30

wagon7:
boring (3): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion

wagon8:
eagerSnake (4): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

wagon9:
Shadow_step (3): nn30, Lil Uzi Vert, Gamma Emerald

wagon10:
eagerSnake(4): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower, Prism

wagon11:
eagerSnake (5): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower, Grendel, Gamma Emerald

wagon12:
boring (5): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion, Gamma Emerald, nn30

The only part that doesn't lean towards this as a possibility is wagon7 and wagon9, where in theory would be implosion hard-bussing boring D1.

[eagerSnake]

7 and 12*

[PenguinPower]

Scum would have an easier time just coasting day 1 and adding fire to any incorrect wagons.

Fallacy in my (short) experience.

Explain.

Um...anyone gets called out and scum read when they're coasting. Always. Except Dierfire it seems.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum would have an easier time just coasting day 1 and adding fire to any incorrect wagons.

Fallacy in my (short) experience.

Explain.

Um...anyone gets called out and scum read when they're coasting. Always. Except Dierfire it seems.

Would you like to vote Dier with me?
VOTE: Dierfire

[PenguinPower]

If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.

I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eager has displayed some earnest scumhunting I feel. Not really feeling revoting him rn.

[nn30]

If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.

I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?

Don't read too much into this.

It's not like the two of you randomly starting a wagon on Dierfire would result in a lynch today.

It's basically Eager, Boring, or maaaaybe Shadow today.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.

I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?

Don't read too much into this.

It's not like the two of you randomly starting a wagon on Dierfire would result in a lynch today.

It's basically Eager, Boring, or maaaaybe Shadow today.

The result didn't matter: it was whether he bit.

[eagerSnake]

Gamma why not boring?

[podoboq]

Official Vote Count 1.29

Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

eagerSnake (3): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower
boring (3): MariaR, implosion, nn30
implosion (2): eagerSnake, Prism
PenguinPower (1): Dierfire
Shadow_step (1): Lil Uzi Vert
Dierfire (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): Zoronos, Grendel

V/LA: none

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)

[boring]

From before the CC:

Boring was doing little / no scum hunting. She joined the Zoronos wagon (3rd there). Aside from questioning his logic once or twice, she loses interest in Zoronos fairly quickly. She joins the Penguin wagon (also 3rd) and aside from her rainbow read list (putting Penguin as her top scum read) she spends the next 15 posts without engaging with Penguin again.

After the CC:

She votes Eager with little to no thought about the CC (literal minutes between SS announcing and her voting Eager). She drops Eager (previously a 2nd to top town read) to her biggest scum read with little to no explanation, thought, consideration... nada. This feels very opportunistic.

Also, this:

@town? - eager has been coasting, and the only thing in the way of my gut scumlean was the fact that he had an uncc'd claim. A cc from an obvious town player was more than enough reason to vote him.

She is specifically referring to the period of time before the Shadow CC that she had a scumlean on him. This directly contradicts her read list from that period of time (where snake was her second to top town read).

...
If you bothered to open an ISO, you'd see that I've been pretty clear about my feelings regarding eager's claim. That being, he was an uncc'd town claim, which left unchallenged, left him as a prime night kill target (because of the probably confirmed town status). As I also stated several times, if he lived to tomorrow, I'd re-evaluate. So for Day 1, uncc'd regardless of how untown he seemed, I didn't feel like I had much choice but to accept him as confirmed town.
...

Further contradiction. He's probably confirmed town without a counter claim - yet in 1037 (when there was still no CC) she has a scumlean on him.

Fishy. Fishy fishy.



I had a slight scum read on Boring before the CC. The most quantifiable thing is that her read list felt hinky to me (like she was posting it instead of actually scum hunting). There was also a gut feeling, which is more difficult to quantify.

Snake also pointed out that he parked his vote on Boring the entire day - and nobody nibbled - meaning 0 scum tried to hop onto the wagon and test the waters (implying that Boring herself is scum, causing the lack of interest in her wagon). I like this logic a lot.

Fin.

So, you haven't been paying attention like, at all? Hopefully when this trip is over, I'll have time to go through and show you point-for-point where you've clearly glossed, ignored, and misrepped. I realize this isn't the first time you've gotten totally confused in this game, but geez.

It's like you're pretending to be Zoro, except Zoro actually brought up some valid concerns (unfortunately for me).

Anyway, my request stands. Please wait for me to come back and post if y'all get to the point of intent to hammer on me. Or just lynch eagerSnake. Either one works.

[Grendel]

Are you implying that scum are trying to set up a boring lynch later?

I mean, why would scum consciously say, "lets not vote boring fam", if she were town. It seems like a pretty unlikely thing for town to pick up on normally. Therefore not something that scum would preemptively set up.

Do you think boring is town then?

I'm not implying anything. I simply stating that nn30's case would be good logic without day chat. Not necessarily so with. I also haven't hidden my town read on boring, and have never stated anything otherwise.

Okay, its just been twenty plus pages since you last mentioned it, and I wondered if you still had a town read on that slot.

If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.

I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?

I thought you viewed mutually exclusive relationships as pro-scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually you're right Eager, boring still hasn't really changed for me.
VOTE: boring

[nn30]

esult didn't matter: it was whether he bit.

Ahh, I get it now. Carry on.

P-edit - Damn Gamma your vote changes with the wind I see.

[boring]

gotten totally confused

That was supposed to be in quotes. "gotten totally confused"

[Gamma Emerald]

If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.

I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?

I thought you viewed mutually exclusive relationships as pro-scum.

What do you mean by mutually exclusive relationships, and when did I say that?

[nn30]

From before the CC:

Boring was doing little / no scum hunting. She joined the Zoronos wagon (3rd there). Aside from questioning his logic once or twice, she loses interest in Zoronos fairly quickly. She joins the Penguin wagon (also 3rd) and aside from her rainbow read list (putting Penguin as her top scum read) she spends the next 15 posts without engaging with Penguin again.

After the CC:

She votes Eager with little to no thought about the CC (literal minutes between SS announcing and her voting Eager). She drops Eager (previously a 2nd to top town read) to her biggest scum read with little to no explanation, thought, consideration... nada. This feels very opportunistic.

Also, this:

@town? - eager has been coasting, and the only thing in the way of my gut scumlean was the fact that he had an uncc'd claim. A cc from an obvious town player was more than enough reason to vote him.

She is specifically referring to the period of time before the Shadow CC that she had a scumlean on him. This directly contradicts her read list from that period of time (where snake was her second to top town read).

...
If you bothered to open an ISO, you'd see that I've been pretty clear about my feelings regarding eager's claim. That being, he was an uncc'd town claim, which left unchallenged, left him as a prime night kill target (because of the probably confirmed town status). As I also stated several times, if he lived to tomorrow, I'd re-evaluate. So for Day 1, uncc'd regardless of how untown he seemed, I didn't feel like I had much choice but to accept him as confirmed town.
...

Further contradiction. He's probably confirmed town without a counter claim - yet in 1037 (when there was still no CC) she has a scumlean on him.

Fishy. Fishy fishy.



I had a slight scum read on Boring before the CC. The most quantifiable thing is that her read list felt hinky to me (like she was posting it instead of actually scum hunting). There was also a gut feeling, which is more difficult to quantify.

Snake also pointed out that he parked his vote on Boring the entire day - and nobody nibbled - meaning 0 scum tried to hop onto the wagon and test the waters (implying that Boring herself is scum, causing the lack of interest in her wagon). I like this logic a lot.

Fin.

So, you haven't been paying attention like, at all? Hopefully when this trip is over, I'll have time to go through and show you point-for-point where you've clearly glossed, ignored, and misrepped. I realize this isn't the first time you've gotten totally confused in this game, but geez.

It's like you're pretending to be Zoro, except Zoro actually brought up some valid concerns (unfortunately for me).

Anyway, my request stands. Please wait for me to come back and post if y'all get to the point of intent to hammer on me. Or just lynch eagerSnake. Either one works.

Well that's one way to deflect.

[nn30]

gotten totally confused

That was supposed to be in quotes. "gotten totally confused"

So you're jumping to scumread on me now, too?

[nn30]

gotten totally confused

That was supposed to be in quotes. "gotten totally confused"

So you're jumping to scumread on me now, too?

Quotes would imply that I'm pretending to try to solve the game - hence scum read.