Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[Shadow_step]

That is not defensive. Its frustration. You simply cannot see things clearly.

I'll answer your questions when everyone has posted.

[MariaR]

Oh god dam it I died!!

Goodluck town love ya <3

[Zoronos]

Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.

It's unlikely that Boring and Penguin are scum together.
LUV might deserve a place on the list but I'm not sure yet.

Obviously this list is bigger than it should be but w/e, I'll get to that when I have more time.

Shadow_step, you probably want to dial back the up-to-11 aggression.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like an explanation of why people are scumreading implosion.

[Zoronos]

Because he primarily avoided making waves, imo, and my impression of his posting is that it's primarily defensive rather than offensive.
A lot of his reasoning makes sense, so I'm a bit torn, but I don't feel like he's doing the legwork to solve.

[boring]

@boring
Of which players are you suspicious now?

I'm still suspicious of LUV. My read on him was independent of the wagons yesterday. The rest, I'm trying to piece together.

@Shadow - Why implosion, exactly? I'm not sure about him at the moment. Obviously, his tunnel yesterday was really skewed, and he's never been high on my read list, but I don't know why he'd kill MariaR, when she'd gladly hop on my wagon. That seems counter-productive. Unless scum!implosion was really banking on her NK convincing the "swing votes".

@Prism - You were after implosion yesterday. His tunnel timing me seems less than a coincidence, though I don't recall you bringing it up (I could have missed it). Did you just give up on him for the time being, or did your read change?

@nn30 - What is your current read on Shadow?

[Shadow_step]

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

[boring]

Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.

I can understand being wary of me, PP, and implosion, but why Dierfire? He's been pretty darned towny since he started contributing.

[boring]

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Can you elaborate for the lazy among us?

[Zoronos]

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Except he was town, ergo town does react the way he did to your claim. You can't just claim that which is provably true isn't true.
If you *think* town doesn't react that way, your impression of how town plays is wrong and you're conflating scum reaction with NAI reaction.

[Gamma Emerald]

So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?

[boring]

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Except he was town, ergo town does react the way he did to your claim. You can't just claim that which is provably true isn't true.
If you *think* town doesn't react that way, your impression of how town plays is wrong and you're conflating scum reaction with NAI reaction.

Wait. who are you talking about?

[Shadow_step]

Don't think PP is scum either.

Scum would want to avoid wagoning eager.

[Shadow_step]

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Can you elaborate for the lazy among us?

Yes, tomorrow.

[Zoronos]

Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.

I can understand being wary of me, PP, and implosion, but why Dierfire? He's been pretty darned towny since he started contributing.

I'm not sure. A combination of gut and looking at the VC's. I can probably give you a better answer given time to read ISO's, but that likely won't happen until tonight or tomorrow.

[implosion]

That's a weird kill.
Definitely made to frame boring.

I'm so glad to see that you being wrong about something that you were literally 100% sure of has so caused you to even take one second to reconsider any of your thoughts on the game

Yes. But I haven't seen anything scummy from her to make me think she is scum. She believed my claim holy hell she must be mafia. No, it doesn't work like that.

This is not reason to townread her... nor is it reason to attribute the Maria kill to "definitely a frame on boring." It's a reason to have boring as null.

I caused the day 1 mislynch?
Only scum should be disappointed after the day 1 lynch. If that had happened today or tomorrow. It would have been horrible for us.
Don't you dare tell me that you would have believed Eager's claim in my position.

I absolutely fucking would have for all of the goddamn reasons I said yesterday... I was very confident you were town so it's not like you had access to any information that I wasn't at least pretty confident of that had any implication on eager's alignment. And we could have just not mislynched him at all... which would have been my preferred world.

I'm legitimately going to stop interacting with shadow unless he can tone down his ego because it just feels entirely unproductive like i'm beating my head against a brick wall. And it's also making me kind of angry.

[Zoronos]

Wait. who are you talking about?

Eager.
It's fundamentally a useless argument since I don't think SS is scum, but I want him to get his head past his ego and reorient so he's useful to work with.

[implosion]

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim.

MariaR, Vanilla Townie, died night 1.

[Shadow_step]

So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?

LUV

[implosion]

VOTE: boring

[Zoronos]

That's a weird kill.
Definitely made to frame boring.

I'm so glad to see that you being wrong about something that you were literally 100% sure of has so caused you to even take one second to reconsider any of your thoughts on the game

Yes. But I haven't seen anything scummy from her to make me think she is scum. She believed my claim holy hell she must be mafia. No, it doesn't work like that.

This is not reason to townread her... nor is it reason to attribute the Maria kill to "definitely a frame on boring." It's a reason to have boring as null.

I caused the day 1 mislynch?
Only scum should be disappointed after the day 1 lynch. If that had happened today or tomorrow. It would have been horrible for us.
Don't you dare tell me that you would have believed Eager's claim in my position.

I absolutely fucking would have for all of the goddamn reasons I said yesterday... I was very confident you were town so it's not like you had access to any information that I wasn't at least pretty confident of that had any implication on eager's alignment. And we could have just not mislynched him at all... which would have been my preferred world.

I'm legitimately going to stop interacting with shadow unless he can tone down his ego because it just feels entirely unproductive like i'm beating my head against a brick wall. And it's also making me kind of angry.

So, other than pointless arguing with SS, who is scum and why?

[Zoronos]

For fuck's sake.
I figure I just post after my questions get answered.

Implosion - Why?

[Zoronos]

LUV

LUV was voting you until the very end and thought you were lying about being ascetic. You probably want to re-read.

[Gamma Emerald]

So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?

LUV

Thank you, that leads into my plan for today. I think the scum team spread out amongst the three wagons/opinions. And I still feel implosion is town, so I'm going to
VOTE: LUV

[Shadow_step]

Anyone suggesting that we shouldn't have Lynched eager is too dumb or scum. Lynching anyone else wasn't the problem. Scum were going to keep both of us alive until we had to pl eager. So lynching eager was absolutely the right play.