Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

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Post Post #1550  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:04 pm

That is not defensive. Its frustration. You simply cannot see things clearly.

I'll answer your questions when everyone has posted.
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Post Post #1551  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:07 pm

Oh god dam it I died!!

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Post Post #1552  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:16 pm

Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.

It's unlikely that Boring and Penguin are scum together.
LUV might deserve a place on the list but I'm not sure yet.

Obviously this list is bigger than it should be but w/e, I'll get to that when I have more time.

Shadow_step, you probably want to dial back the up-to-11 aggression.

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Post Post #1553  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:17 pm

I'd like an explanation of why people are scumreading implosion.
Sometimes silence is the loudest thing you can say.

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Post Post #1554  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:18 pm

Because he primarily avoided making waves, imo, and my impression of his posting is that it's primarily defensive rather than offensive.
A lot of his reasoning makes sense, so I'm a bit torn, but I don't feel like he's doing the legwork to solve.

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Post Post #1555  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:19 pm

In post 1544, Dierfire wrote:@boring
Of which players are you suspicious now?

I'm still suspicious of LUV. My read on him was independent of the wagons yesterday. The rest, I'm trying to piece together.

@Shadow - Why implosion, exactly? I'm not sure about him at the moment. Obviously, his tunnel yesterday was really skewed, and he's never been high on my read list, but I don't know why he'd kill MariaR, when she'd gladly hop on my wagon. That seems counter-productive. Unless scum!implosion was really banking on her NK convincing the "swing votes".

@Prism - You were after implosion yesterday. His tunnel timing me seems less than a coincidence, though I don't recall you bringing it up (I could have missed it). Did you just give up on him for the time being, or did your read change?

@nn30 - What is your current read on Shadow?

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Post Post #1556  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:21 pm

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.
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Post Post #1557  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 1552, Zoronos wrote:Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.
I can understand being wary of me, PP, and implosion, but why Dierfire? He's been pretty darned towny since he started contributing.

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Post Post #1558  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 1556, Shadow_step wrote:Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Can you elaborate for the lazy among us?

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Post Post #1559  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 1556, Shadow_step wrote:Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.


Except he was town, ergo town does react the way he did to your claim. You can't just claim that which is provably true isn't true.
If you *think* town doesn't react that way, your impression of how town plays is wrong and you're conflating scum reaction with NAI reaction.

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Post Post #1560  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:24 pm

So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?
Sometimes silence is the loudest thing you can say.

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Post Post #1561  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:25 pm

In post 1559, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1556, Shadow_step wrote:Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.


Except he was town, ergo town does react the way he did to your claim. You can't just claim that which is provably true isn't true.
If you *think* town doesn't react that way, your impression of how town plays is wrong and you're conflating scum reaction with NAI reaction.

Wait. who are you talking about?

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Post Post #1562  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:25 pm

Don't think PP is scum either.

Scum would want to avoid wagoning eager.
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Post Post #1563  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 1558, boring wrote:
In post 1556, Shadow_step wrote:Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim. I think the site meta and all was BS.
It was implied knowledge. He knew both of us were town.

Can you elaborate for the lazy among us?


Yes, tomorrow.
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Post Post #1564  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 1557, boring wrote:
In post 1552, Zoronos wrote:Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.
I can understand being wary of me, PP, and implosion, but why Dierfire? He's been pretty darned towny since he started contributing.


I'm not sure. A combination of gut and looking at the VC's. I can probably give you a better answer given time to read ISO's, but that likely won't happen until tonight or tomorrow.

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Post Post #1565  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:28 pm

Shadow wrote:That's a weird kill.
Definitely made to frame boring.

I'm so glad to see that you being wrong about something that you were literally 100% sure of has so caused you to even take one second to reconsider any of your thoughts on the game :|
Shadow wrote:Yes. But I haven't seen anything scummy from her to make me think she is scum. She believed my claim holy hell she must be mafia. No, it doesn't work like that.

This is not reason to townread her... nor is it reason to attribute the Maria kill to "definitely a frame on boring." It's a reason to have boring as null.
Shadow wrote:I caused the day 1 mislynch?
Only scum should be disappointed after the day 1 lynch. If that had happened today or tomorrow. It would have been horrible for us.
Don't you dare tell me that you would have believed Eager's claim in my position.

I absolutely fucking would have for all of the goddamn reasons I said yesterday... I was very confident you were town so it's not like you had access to any information that I wasn't at least pretty confident of that had any implication on eager's alignment. And we could have just not mislynched him at all... which would have been my preferred world.

I'm legitimately going to stop interacting with shadow unless he can tone down his ego because it just feels entirely unproductive like i'm beating my head against a brick wall. And it's also making me kind of angry.

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Post Post #1566  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:29 pm

In post 1561, boring wrote:Wait. who are you talking about?

Eager.
It's fundamentally a useless argument since I don't think SS is scum, but I want him to get his head past his ego and reorient so he's useful to work with.

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Post Post #1567  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:29 pm

In post 1556, Shadow_step wrote:Town doesn't react the way he did to my claim.

In post 1541, podoboq wrote:
MariaR, Vanilla Townie, died night 1.

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Post Post #1568  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:30 pm

In post 1560, Gamma Emerald wrote:So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?


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Post Post #1569  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:32 pm

VOTE: boring

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Post Post #1570  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 1565, implosion wrote:
Shadow wrote:That's a weird kill.
Definitely made to frame boring.

I'm so glad to see that you being wrong about something that you were literally 100% sure of has so caused you to even take one second to reconsider any of your thoughts on the game :|
Shadow wrote:Yes. But I haven't seen anything scummy from her to make me think she is scum. She believed my claim holy hell she must be mafia. No, it doesn't work like that.

This is not reason to townread her... nor is it reason to attribute the Maria kill to "definitely a frame on boring." It's a reason to have boring as null.
Shadow wrote:I caused the day 1 mislynch?
Only scum should be disappointed after the day 1 lynch. If that had happened today or tomorrow. It would have been horrible for us.
Don't you dare tell me that you would have believed Eager's claim in my position.

I absolutely fucking would have for all of the goddamn reasons I said yesterday... I was very confident you were town so it's not like you had access to any information that I wasn't at least pretty confident of that had any implication on eager's alignment. And we could have just not mislynched him at all... which would have been my preferred world.

I'm legitimately going to stop interacting with shadow unless he can tone down his ego because it just feels entirely unproductive like i'm beating my head against a brick wall. And it's also making me kind of angry.


So, other than pointless arguing with SS, who is scum and why?

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Post Post #1571  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:33 pm

For fuck's sake.
I figure I just post after my questions get answered.

Implosion - Why?

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Post Post #1572  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:33 pm

In post 1568, Shadow_step wrote:LUV

LUV was voting you until the very end and thought you were lying about being ascetic. You probably want to re-read.

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Post Post #1573  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 1568, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1560, Gamma Emerald wrote:So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?


LUV

Thank you, that leads into my plan for today. I think the scum team spread out amongst the three wagons/opinions. And I still feel implosion is town, so I'm going to
VOTE: LUV
Sometimes silence is the loudest thing you can say.

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Post Post #1574  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:35 pm

Anyone suggesting that we shouldn't have Lynched eager is too dumb or scum. Lynching anyone else wasn't the problem. Scum were going to keep both of us alive until we had to pl eager. So lynching eager was absolutely the right play.
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