League of Legends: The New Thread

[zoraster]

ok, is the objective of when ur playing league of legends to accumulate lp, or to play a video game?

u will absolutely end up wherever ur skill lies, regardless of what methods you use. grinding games and playing odds is not fun guys, just go play poker if u want a math rush

dodging is really dumb

well, if you systematically use dodging well you'll end up at a higher LP and MMR. So "yes" in the sense that you'll end up where you "belong." But no, that doesn't mean you'll end up the same place as if you didn't dodge.

[hiplop]

playing random stuff likezac top

LITERALLY MY MAIN WTF

[inte]

ok, is the objective of when ur playing league of legends to accumulate lp, or to play a video game?

u will absolutely end up wherever ur skill lies, regardless of what methods you use. grinding games and playing odds is not fun guys, just go play poker if u want a math rush

dodging is really dumb

well, if you systematically use dodging well you'll end up at a higher LP and MMR. So "yes" in the sense that you'll end up where you "belong." But no, that doesn't mean you'll end up the same place as if you didn't dodge.

lets say gaming the system and dodging when u think ur gonna lose with ur team nets you a 5% higher mmr on average

the point i'm trying to make is that for everyone else who don't champ select dodge will be approximately 5% better than you (if they don't also champ dodge) and you will lose 5% more games against people that didn't dodge a game

i mean, if you want to get into gold for rewards or w/e, then power to u cuz thats actually a tangible benefit, but i really think you should focus on your csing, game sense, communication, lane control because that would

actually

make you 5% better

[Psyche]

zac top is dope yo

[zoraster]

ok, is the objective of when ur playing league of legends to accumulate lp, or to play a video game?

u will absolutely end up wherever ur skill lies, regardless of what methods you use. grinding games and playing odds is not fun guys, just go play poker if u want a math rush

dodging is really dumb

well, if you systematically use dodging well you'll end up at a higher LP and MMR. So "yes" in the sense that you'll end up where you "belong." But no, that doesn't mean you'll end up the same place as if you didn't dodge.

lets say gaming the system and dodging when u think ur gonna lose with ur team nets you a 5% higher mmr on average

the point i'm trying to make is that for everyone else who don't champ select dodge will be approximately 5% better than you (if they don't also champ dodge) and you will lose 5% more games against people that didn't dodge a game

i mean, if you want to get into gold for rewards or w/e, then power to u cuz thats actually a tangible benefit, but i really think you should focus on your csing, game sense, communication, lane control because that would

actually

make you 5% better

Some people win more games through being better than their opponents with mechanical skill. Some through map awareness. Some through communication. Why can't champion select and dodging be part of that equation too? If I can avoid the worst matchups that's PART of the skill of ranking up. The ONLY thing that matters for ranked in the end is your ability to win games. If I win more games by dodging games I believe I have a 33% or less chance of winning from champ select, I've increased my ability to win regardless of other factors like mechanical skill.

As for csing and what not, I don't see why this is mutually exclusive to that.

[Randomnamechange]

I agree that dodging is stupid.
That being said, I am eriously considering starting when I am playing adc and get a lux support. It always go the same - they start dorans, get no wards or support items, feed in lane and try to play like a mid laner despite going 0/7 and screwing my lane up.

[Psyche]

just look at their op.gg

[inte]

ok, is the objective of when ur playing league of legends to accumulate lp, or to play a video game?

u will absolutely end up wherever ur skill lies, regardless of what methods you use. grinding games and playing odds is not fun guys, just go play poker if u want a math rush

dodging is really dumb

well, if you systematically use dodging well you'll end up at a higher LP and MMR. So "yes" in the sense that you'll end up where you "belong." But no, that doesn't mean you'll end up the same place as if you didn't dodge.

lets say gaming the system and dodging when u think ur gonna lose with ur team nets you a 5% higher mmr on average

the point i'm trying to make is that for everyone else who don't champ select dodge will be approximately 5% better than you (if they don't also champ dodge) and you will lose 5% more games against people that didn't dodge a game

i mean, if you want to get into gold for rewards or w/e, then power to u cuz thats actually a tangible benefit, but i really think you should focus on your csing, game sense, communication, lane control because that would

actually

make you 5% better

Some people win more games through being better than their opponents with mechanical skill. Some through map awareness. Some through communication. Why can't champion select and dodging be part of that equation too? If I can avoid the worst matchups that's PART of the skill of ranking up. The ONLY thing that matters for ranked in the end is your ability to win games. If I win more games by dodging games I believe I have a 33% or less chance of winning from champ select, I've increased my ability to win regardless of other factors like mechanical skill.

As for csing and what not, I don't see why this is mutually exclusive to that.

its not really a skill

if winning is the only thing that matters to u then ur on the right track. i just think queue dodging subverts what a game is meant to be about. u don't get better at league of legends by queue dodging.

[inte]

lets look at this way

some people win by being boosted by their friends. is that really a good thing for the spirit of the game? by ur logic its ok because they're winning

[zoraster]

Obviously there's a difference between someone having another person to play or use a cheating program. Dodging is built into the system. There's a reason you get -3 LP after your first dodge and -10 LP after your second. It's expected that sometimes you're going to need to dodge.

[zoraster]

Look, there's clearly a limit to how much dodging can get you. You're not going to get from Gold to Diamond by dodging. But you CAN avoid a fair number of frustrating, predictable losses that can help both in climbing a bit further and in climbing a bit faster. The way to improve entire tiers is to improve in-game play. No one disputes that. But there's little reason not to avail yourself of dodging when it can give clear benefits.

[inte]

i'm not talking about cheating, i'm talking about duo/multiple queuing. i don't like it either for the same reasons i don't like queue dodging. it subverts the spirit of the game

[Psyche]

only if you define "the spirit of the game" in a particular way

[zoraster]

I'd love to get rid of duos+ but I don't think dodging is against the spirit of the game. Regardless, if it were removed as an incentivized thing, obviously I wouldn't do it anymore.

[Ankamius]

Same shit as before, inte.

You say queue dodging is bad.
The people that cause situations where people queue dodge are worse.

I'm not going to play a game where I have very good reason to believe it's not going to be a good game out in champion select. Trolling, people blatantly not trying, toxicity, etc. All of those are worse than dodging the damn game.

[Oman]

only if you define "the spirit of the game" in a particular way

Literally what this entire argument is about. I can see it from both sides.

[Espeonage]

Signed up for skillcapped to try it for a month. So far so good.

Also, I am finding I tend to play better on off builds/lanes except in some key cases. My best mid at the moment is AP Varus followed by Jarvin, Kennen is among my top ADCs, AP Xin is about my best jungler, and Ahri is one of my favorite support picks.

idk if it is because I revel in being underestimated or something else. shrug

Also the struggle is real. I have been in B1 for ages now and am winning about 50% of my games so I can't quite break to Silver.

[Psyche]

>_>

[Voidedmafia]

only if you define "the spirit of the game" in a particular way

Literally what this entire argument is about. I can see it from both sides.

How are trolling and toxicity part of the spirit of the game?

trash talk, yes. Outright harmful toxicity, no.


Anyone else have any idea about the kernel failure?

P-EDIT: I find very little sense any of those picks and don't see why any other regular pick would be better.

[Accountant]

Well riot knows the spirit better than anyone and they implicitly said dodging was okay

[Ankamius]

Don't use skill capped. I've been keeping an eye on it and it's updated too rarely to be a consistent resource.

[JasonWazza]

Turns out riot give out 14 day bans for nothing these days.

Nearly all of OCE should be banned given my chat logs as to why i got banned (and this is from no ban history).

GG Rito.

[Accountant]

What did you get banned for? I once copped a 14 day ban for flaming an

intentionally feeding

teammate, and not very harshly at that(told him to uninstall League instead of acting like a fucking kid)

EDIT: No ban history except a low priority queue penalty a month ago when I DCed from like 5 games in a row

[JasonWazza]

Basically the same thing.

And i don't even think i have been in low priority queue.

http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/e ... 0400000000

There's a link to the rito post.

1st game is me defending a team mate from lux who was basically inting and blaming others.
2nd game is swain inting.
3rd game is me being abused for not ganking, as a skarner, when i couldn't really gank before 6.
4th game is me being annoyed at the 3 man premade of star guardians who were just ditching me and my mate when we were tanking everything to do nothing.

All in quick succession so i was getting tilted and playing with friends.

And a note before people try to berate me for the wording used.

This is OCE worse then this is said on a regular basis, and hell by several of my teammates in nearly all of those games.

[Accountant]

[15:05] JasonWazza (Thresh): you have same brain issues to work on

I think they interpreted this as ableist language(similar to calling Swain a downie), which might have led to the ban