In post 43, Grendel wrote:boring wrote:In post 36, Grendel wrote:@Boring You don't even have a witty one-liner to go with your vote... that's really... boring...
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I like it when people make Beowulf jokes. Do you not like people referencing your name in jokes?
QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY
1) What is your preferred alignment?
2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?
3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?
4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why? (Ex: 1 would be deciding between 13, and 2. 2 would be deciding between 1 and 3. 3 would decide between 2 and 4.)
5) How excited are you for this game?Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah Eager is lame, you're the one I want to see in action!
What am I? Chopped liver?
In post 155, eagerSnake wrote:LUV, they're trying to run you up to L-1 right now, if you could tell me which one of them is scum and which one is mislead town that'd be great.
In post 166, Shadow_step wrote:Looks like LUV has been advised to play dumb and play newb like.
Needs death.
In post 167, Zoronos wrote:In post 164, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh just the fact LUV did this last game I played with him.
Playing completely absent annoys me, but something being annoying doesn't make it scum. But it also doesn't make me really want to jump in front of a train and yell "No this is wrong don't lynch it" and I really love doing that, so give me something to work with if this is your sincerely held belief.
In post 181, Zoronos wrote:In post 178, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 166, Shadow_step wrote:Looks like LUV has been advised to play dumb and play newb like.
Needs death.In post 167, Zoronos wrote:In post 164, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh just the fact LUV did this last game I played with him.
Playing completely absent annoys me, but something being annoying doesn't make it scum. But it also doesn't make me really want to jump in front of a train and yell "No this is wrong don't lynch it" and I really love doing that, so give me something to work with if this is your sincerely held belief.
Why does it seem like you're implying I'm not paying attention to what's being said or done?
That's not what I said. I said you were absent. And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop; having no opinions or contributions of your own is frustrating.
In post 190, Zoronos wrote:In post 186, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
That's exactly what absent means last time I checked. You seem upset. Are you having a bad day?
Yes. I am having a real bad day.
Also that's not what absent means; for all I know you're reading the thread, stroking a beard and saying "Hmmm... yes, insightful" to each post then taking a puff on your old english pipe and making notes in a leather bound journal. But that's not making its way into the thread, and you're getting a lot of votes lined up on you for what is essentially "I don't like this slot's RVS vote and continued absence".
So, while I find absence annoying (because it means I can't get a useful read on your slot) I am not a fan of simply lynching it down. But I can't make a cogent argument that "Hey, this seems like a not great plan" without some reasoning to back it up beyond simply "Lets not lynch lurkers" because that will convince exactly nobody.
In post 195, PenguinPower wrote:In post 193, Zoronos wrote:In post 191, PenguinPower wrote:For me, it's not his RVS vote. It's his RQS answers.
Oh, and the continued absence thing - though that's really more of a continued non-contribution thing.
Tell me more about this, because I've ignored his RQS answers. (I've ignored basically everyone's). Why are they scummy?
My last? (maybe two games ago?) game on these boards, about a year ago, I got burned lynching down someone who was aggressively non-contributory. It felt good but they were town, which was less good. So I am a bit skeptical of running that same play back.Spoiler: RQS Answers
"Sure, I'll play along" and then provides nothing. His only post of the game where he could have said anything, and it's "No; No; No comment" but I'm excited to play!
So...he knows that he's being anti-town with his play, yet he continues to do it. I'm not going to give him a pass based on his past behavior or for this crap:Gamma Emerald wrote:It goes like this: one minute you're lynching a lurker, the next you're out a doctor.
And, it's offputting to me that GE is defending LUV as strongly as he is.
In post 257, implosion wrote:Not really gonna read Grendel or LUV's thick posts for now. Loosely, townpile right now consists of {shadow, nn, pp, eager, zoronos, grendel}. Why yes, for the observant eye, that does include all three people I called scum on page 3. They all started acting townier. I think Gamma is a great vote right now:
-his switch to Zoronos makes very little sense when he's gotten nothing out of his vote on me, and it seems to contradict his apprehensiveness towards flashwagoning (even if his problem with my vote was that I didn't explain it, that still doesn't jive with either the fact that he implied that we were still in RVS as PP pointed out, or him using the word flashwagoning when describing it which implies that he thinks early wagons are bad).
-the reason I had for weakly townreading him early isn't actually any good (it was 22, which is no reason to townread him if eagerSnake is town).
-he's managed to say a lot without really saying a lot. It took him 30 posts to get to his first "serious vote" on me, almost all of which is non-content and really none of which gives any indication on what he's thinking about anything (he mentions "a few townreads" without naming any). He's clearly engaged in the game. He does a lot of clarifying things (linking the wiki, mentioning that I have half a wall to go). But he gives no content. Just a bunch of stuff which gives the illusion thereof, until he latches on to literally the easiest reason to vote someone. I really find it hard to believe that the first thing he found seriously scum-motivated was seeing me, an experienced player, dropping a vote on someone without giving any reasoning. Would I really do something like that as scum but not as town? I'd hope he'd realize that there's no way I would do something like that as scum unless it's the kind of thing I'd do as town as well.
And I mean, come on:Gamma wrote:And it's not that I specifically townread LUV,In post 161, Gamma Emerald wrote:LUV is town
If it was a bad reason to vote him based on meta, you would have said such; you did not say that. You called him town. In quite the most explicit way possible. You don't just get to say X, and then go back and say no, when I said X I meant Y.
VOTE: Gamma
In post 270, Shadow_step wrote:Good this should be an easy game. I have a couple of town reads too.
Need to hear more from Slandaar/Maria/Diet to sort them out.
In post 304, eagerSnake wrote:I mean I told you guys this a while ago
In post 444, PenguinPower wrote:His methodology is bad. Worse now that I know he's trying to form the entire scum team D1. If you're going to lynch me for that, let's quick lynch it and get it over with.
p-edit
Hi LUV.
In post 524, Shadow_step wrote:Calling me a VI? Okay that is just bullshit.
Esp since you have no idea with am I talking about.
In post 568, eagerSnake wrote:Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaR
Who do you think is suspicious and why (2 points)
In post 604, Grendel wrote:VOTE: Penguin
I'm back on Penguin. Not feeling enough conviction for a Gamma lynch, mainly because many reasons I'd normally scum read somebody are not effective for reading him. While things like him using my own case against Penguin bothered me, I've seen him sheep other peoples cases as town with out a shred of original thought. Him struggling to explain his read on me beyond a previous game also bugs me, but Gamma generally seems to struggle with explaining himself, which is mostly likely why he endorses what others say as his own. While Penguin gave me some town vibes with his reactions that's all I saw coming from his slot that hit my town radar.
The way that Dier has been posting has been weirding me out a bit. I know that I'm Ob!town to some people who know me well enough, and that I may have instigated it further by my friendly attitude towards him, but Deir is being very defensive of me. I can't tell which fractional intent this is more likely to come from. If we were strangers I'd say its kinda scummy, but we aren't so...
@LUV Lets chat a bit:
How do you feel about the two leading wagons, as well as the individuals on them?
And if this were EoD which wagon would you join?
In this hypothetical situation where would you look next if the one you picked flipped scum? if they flipped town?
I want you to take more active stances. Your note taking, and your otherwise low key posting is not helping me get a hold on your alignment friend.
In post 785, Zoronos wrote:In post 777, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Who do you think Snake should be voting for Zoro?
I don't know. Basically my reads list got turned on its head by this, and I'm trying to parse out what I think about it. Like I wrote above, I can see some common threads of SS actually doing what he claimed, which means he either planned a fake counterclaim well in advance (I guess ascetic mafia, but why out that on D1, that's a win-at-LYLO gamble play) or he's at least somewhat legit.
So, I'm weighing which of the following two statements is more likely:
1) We have two town Ascetics who are counterclaiming eachother D1, and I should be looking off the wagons to see who is whipping up FUD and / or for people that come down quickly on 'I believe X about Y' and are looking to them flip around on X after Y flips town for the double mislynch.
2) We have a legit scum vs town counterclaim, and I need to figure out which side has the town on it.
Like I said just above here, I can see the logical thread from SS being skeptical about Eager's claim and posting, so investigating Eager's thought processes and opinions is the order of the day.
In post 799, MariaR wrote:What do you sr me for.In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.
nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:In post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.
but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? Finallyis a trademark scum post.In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.
In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?
Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.
In post 827, MariaR wrote:Why do you care?In post 804, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 799, MariaR wrote:What do you sr me for.In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.
nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:In post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.
but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? Finallyis a trademark scum post.In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.
In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?
Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.
Why do you seem concerned about being scum read?
In post 936, nn30 wrote:In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.
If this is true, what was he distracting from with the CC?
My best guesses are PP and GE - since they both had (small) wagons on them when Shadow CC'd.
But... that wasn't enough pressure to do much.
What are your thoughts? What was scum!Shadow's goal with CCing?
In post 959, Shadow_step wrote:In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.
Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmao
In post 1337, Prism wrote:@Dierfire I promised to review it awhile back but yeah, it's been pretty low priority. I'll get to it when I have time if it's still relevant.@LUV: Can you explain in your own words, ie. minimal "I agree with X" even if it's true, what's wrong with the case on boring?In post 1303, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I still don't buy the case on boring, well I don't buy it enough to believe she's the correct lynch for today.
In post 1385, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:To me it still reads like Shadow made it look premeditated. The timing is too convenient for me.
In post 1411, Dierfire wrote:@Lil Uzi Vert
I think that you are mistaken to suggest that Shadow_step was "tunneling" you early in the game. I assume that you're referring to things like 125 and 166, and the fact that he left his RVS vote on you. I wouldn't read too much into those things; his lines of questioning suggest that his focus was much more strongly on eagerSnake after the claim (122, 168, 263, 280, 296).
I also think that it is incorrect to suggest that Shadow_step came up with "little to no information" by waiting, or that he had insufficient information to proceed. You may have missed this post:In post 739, Shadow_step wrote:I got townreads. I'm almost 100% sure that boring is town because of your interactions.
And that these shouldn't be bothered at night by PRs[zoronos, nn, grendel, boring]
Actually I'd even go as far as saying that DF is town. But that is a meta read so meh
In post 1430, Shadow_step wrote:1. I was going to claim day 1 anyway cause of my role.
2. I wanted to give us enough time to discuss it.
3. Waiting any longer was pointless because there wasn't much progress over the last 7 days, snake was clearly coasting and wasn't going to have any real damning interactions with anyone.
In post 1552, Zoronos wrote:Don't have a lot of time today but here's my current scum suspicions / thoughts:
Boring, PenguinPower, Implosion, Dierfire.
It's unlikely that Boring and Penguin are scum together.
LUV might deserve a place on the list but I'm not sure yet.
Obviously this list is bigger than it should be but w/e, I'll get to that when I have more time.
Shadow_step, you probably want to dial back the up-to-11 aggression.
In post 1579, Shadow_step wrote:In post 1046, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 959, Shadow_step wrote:In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.
Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmao
You're the one that's terrible my friend. The only case you have on Eager is that you cannot fathom that both you and him were given the same role. You either refuse or won't take into consideration a town motive for lying. If Eager had not claimed, your read on him would be null. You have no backup plan if he flips town and if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.
If he thinks I'm scum, I would obviously not consider Eager to be town. Why the hell would I? He then says that Eager could be lying town. Implying he knows eager I town. Lying as town is very risky. Not just in that game. But you can get blacklisted.
LUV treats me as if I am town here.
To be noted
In post 1618, boring wrote:Spoiler:
Since I have time for ISO diving, I thought I'd dredge up these gems.
VOTE: LUV
Now, since we have plenty of time before EOD, I'd "luv" it if you could explain how/why you so drastically flipped script with your intent and hammer. From here, it looks like you magically went from suspecting Shadow (while agreeing that there couldn't be two ascetics) to deciding "yolo! I'm going to hammer the other guy". As far as I can tell, all that happened in between was your trip down the rabbit hole with Gamma.
In post 1625, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually nah looking at PP's ISO he looks pretty town in his reaction to my theory.
VOTE: LUV
In post 1651, implosion wrote:@dierfire: last think I see you say about boring is that you've read up on her but don't find anything really alignment indicative. What do you think of her after the eager+maria townflips, and/or why don't you agree with my points on her?
@LUV: can you elaborate on why you disagree with the case on boring? Can you elaborate on your null-scum read on prism, and on your scumread of penguin (is it just lingering things from long ago, or is it more strongly based on his recent posting)?
In post 1664, Prism wrote:@Dierfire After skimming the game with PP, reviewed already by both you and Implosion, I agree more with Implosion. His reaction earlier felt more genuine and more brash than the game linked.
Reading Dierfire as an ISO has made his posts a lot easier to parse. I like his reasoning for PP and Gamma even though I'm not suspicious of PP, his reads go into a lot of depth (not necessarily a towntell) but he's been straightforward and active all game. The only vote that strikes me as opportunistic would be his vote on Eager, but I and several other town players agreed on it and did the same thing. I agree with the first and third responses about boring in his #1659. My impression is that he's town but clearly competent-if I need to revisit it later, I will. I can go more indepth on this if anyone wants but I'm trying to keep my explanations short.
My reads have changed with that flip but first some thoughts on today's posts: reading Implosion I'm still suspicious but the more he posts the more I'm beginning to suspect it's just his ego. A lot of his Day 1 makes a lot more sense (in particular the "boring has the same reads as me") from that angle and his posts today have been a lot more solid. In particular, I see little reason as scum to not take the free mislynch on eager. I'd be surprised if anything other than two scum were on that wagon, and Implosion wasn't on it. His posts today have been equally condescending but after reading the game with PP that read of his seems legitimate, and the way he's playing is quickly boxing himself in for lategame if he's mafia. Some of his statements today I could see deeper machinations behind but it required a lot of mental gymnastics to arrive at.
That Maria kill was (obviously) made for a reason. Looking at our cast it's hard to imagine Shadow or nn30 getting lynched anytime soon, making them great kills. On the other hand, I was still suspicious of Maria and very few people outed a townread on her as far as I remember. She'd get some credit for trying to lynch outside Eager but how much? Scum needed 3 or 4 mislynches to win this game, and with at least 2 people I can think of who are unlikely to be lynched ever it's strange to go for Maria over them, or even over people like myself, Grendel, or Implosion if we're all town. It could have been made to implicate boring or Dierfire but as everyone and their mother has pointed out it'd be pretty minor and hardly worth the value of a dead nulltown over a dead hardtown.
Looking at Maria's ISO, either one of them is really scum, more likely boring than Dierfire in my opinion, or MariaR is 5/5 in her townreads in #751. I'm inclined to believe the latter regardless of if the former is true. Cry WIFOM but you want but you only WIFOM if you think you're more likely to win because of it. This kill doesn't make sense if other, more town players are on the right track. nn30, Shadow, and PP line up nicely with my reads, Eager is flipped, and Grendel isn't a stretch. It seems unlikely for any of them to kill her if they're scum. I think they're all town, Grendel being the one I'm least sure on.
LUV probably needs to be strung up. I still don't like the quantity-over-quality posts early in the game and that flop was awful. This explanation in particular seems really unlikely to me:Does scumreading both Snake and Shadow yesterday make sense to anyone? It doesn't to me. I still need to reread him some more, and especially find other games to see if he's always like this, but for now he's a great spot to park my vote.In post 1633, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Also, my case on Shadow was looking like it was never going to be taken seriously, so I decided to pressure my newly found scum read on Snake.
VOTE: LUV
Boring got mostly a free pass from me later in the day yesterday due to implosion/Maria/eager being the ones leading on her but 2 of these have flipped town and 1 is no longer a power scumread. She's earned a spot at the top of my reread queue along with LUV.
As a final note I don't like the record keeping on who believed the 2 town ascetics. We had a wide variety of views on the ascetic claims-from me believing either both were town or only Shadow was to Shadow's adamant belief that eager had to be scum. Assuming only 3 mafia and no third party that wagon had at least 4 town, and more likely than not 5 or 6. What to believe about the ascetics is definitely a lot easier to fake than faking reads on players outside them-I think it's a red herring and don't like looking too deeply into it.
In post 1667, boring wrote:In post 1660, Dierfire wrote:@boring
You seemed to suggest that you would be able to make useful information from the wagon on you (1037). You've made defenses against the arguments offered by nn30 and implosion (1614); would it be accurate to say that you found implosion the more suspicious of the two (for reasons given in 1609)? Would it be accurate to say that you found implosion the most suspicious of all those players who voted for you?
Also, I'm not seeing that Lil Uzi Vert voted for you. I assume therefore that you find Lil Uzi Vert more suspicious than the most suspicious player who voted for you (presumptively implosion, otherwise specify the player)?
Obviously, at the time, I thought eager was scum. I also thought either Maria or implosion might be a buddy. Obviously, eager and Maria have flipped town, which left me to re-evaluate. I still think there has to be at least one scum on my wagon, and that it leaves implosion, gamma, and nn30 as the scum pool. I don't think Gamma is scum, but if Grendel's right, I'm basing my assumption on something NAI. I don't think nn30 is scum, because even his conf.bias issues seemed towny. I really try not to OMGUS, so I want to take my time on implosion, but he's the POE candidate at the moment.
That's why I set it aside and started looking elsewhere. Regardless of that development, I think LUV is scum, and his flat response didn't help. Yesterday, the only thing that made me doubt his scumminess was that as scum, it would have been all too easy for him to hop on my wagon and save eager. Now, knowing eager is town, he looks worse again, as all he needed was for someone to be at L-1.
In post 1688, PenguinPower wrote:In post 1685, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Never said you were my strongest scum read and I'm not refraining from anything. I'm taking my time and reevualting.
I was one of two of your scumreads in 522 which haven't changed, and I've only grown since then. According to you.
You seem to like to stay in an unvote state...it's kind of nice not to take a stance on anything, right? Gotta keep those options open until you can hammer town.
Actually, while looking back at vote counts at yours, Zoronos was in an unvote state in every. single. one. He has lots to say, but not much to do.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zoronos
In post 1691, Prism wrote:If you haven't voted LUV and need a reason, read my #1689 and this response.In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nitpicking about inconsistencies =/= trying to find inconsistencies.Is this a scumtell?In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Also another thing I noticed, you seemed concerned about how you look. A few posts in your ISO if I recall you were frustrated at people for their reasoning for town reading you. It's as if you worried someone will go back and wonder why you're so widely town read by the majority.
In post 1691, Prism wrote:If you haven't voted LUV and need a reason, read my #1689 and this response.In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nitpicking about inconsistencies =/= trying to find inconsistencies.Is this a scumtell?In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Also another thing I noticed, you seemed concerned about how you look. A few posts in your ISO if I recall you were frustrated at people for their reasoning for town reading you. It's as if you worried someone will go back and wonder why you're so widely town read by the majority.
In post 1801, PenguinPower wrote:In post 1798, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Woah, forgot about this game. I read up and this what I have so far.
I'm a little disturbed by Penguin's push on Zoro. It reads as if he's not been reading what Zoro been asking and thinking. Just skimming. Zoro has been sorting like a mad man and his conclusions and observations have been worth the read so far.
I also don't forget how you can forget a read on someone. This is the only thing that has pinged me about Gamma really. I find it hard to believe and the only explanation that seems to make sense is that he's faking his reads. The question then becomes, is this some sort of next level strategy to catch scum or is he scum feeling pressured to put up content?
So which one are you going to vote?
In post 1802, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can forget a read because there's a lot of stuff to take in; a current read can displace some of my memories of a past read.
In post 1807, nn30 wrote:In post 1798, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Woah, forgot about this game. I read up and this what I have so far.
I'm a little disturbed by Penguin's push on Zoro. It reads as if he's not been reading what Zoro been asking and thinking. Just skimming. Zoro has been sorting like a mad man and his conclusions and observations have been worth the read so far.
I also don't forget how you can forget a read on someone. This is the only thing that has pinged me about Gamma really. I find it hard to believe and the only explanation that seems to make sense is that he's faking his reads. The question then becomes, is this some sort of next level strategy to catch scum or is he scum feeling pressured to put up content?
He forgot reads before as well. I called him out earlier in the game on it.
In post 1808, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma EmeraldIn post 1764, Gamma Emerald wrote:I said "I have evidence that me and Eager are not scumbuddies" and he flipped town. Why the fuck would I say that as scum? I'd just be like "okay I know I'm safe from this point so just forget about it". It indicates I did not know his alignment before the flip, clearing me.
I will argue that the underlined is precisely what you have done!
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I read the case presented by Grendel in 1769. I haven't read the off-site game in question (yet, probably I will not do so at all as Gamma Emerald seems not to dispute the facts but rather to argue that he didn't have sufficient experience with Grendel to read him as well as Grendel seems to think he should have). The depth of the case reassures me about Grendel and encourages me in my vote on Gamma Emerald.
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I don't like that Lil Uzi Vert hasn't cast a vote yet today. My next task is reading Lil Uzi Vert; this will happen within roughly 24 hours.
In post 1809, boring wrote:In post 1799, Zoronos wrote:Actually, hey Boring who do you think is the scum and why?
LUV because he's been scummy. I don't think he forgot about the game, by the way. How do you forget you're in a game? I think he was lurking in the hopes that we'd forget about him and focus on other players. I mean at this point, unless he's REALLY bad town, it's his best chance to stay alive as scum.
I've been rethinking my stance on Gamma. As I said before to Grendel, I think I have a stronger town read on Grendel than Gamma, and Grendel is putting his word on the line that Gamma is scum. I skimmed through the last game (I'll admit I didn't scour it because if I had time to scour a game, I'd be better off doing this one) and he didn't "forget" who he was voting for. He was flaky, of course, but consistent within his own pattern of whatever.
I can also see how Penguin could be scum, but I really don't think he and Gamma could be scum together.
Every time implosion feels scummy. His posts seem opportunistic, he errs on the side of strawman, and he's unnecessarily hostile. On the other hand, he might not be scum.
I think Shadow could be scum because eager, but I've accepted that I could have just been wrong. It's just that the idea of two ascetics is crazy.
I've had a few tinfoils run through my head in which nn30, Grendel, and/or Prism could be scum, but I already have more scum than there are scum, and so I don't have time to entertain it.
In post 1811, Prism wrote:Hi all, apologies for my absence.
I haven't had time to do any of my project rereads and won't until Saturday.
Skimming the last few pages, Gamma's repeated inconsistency is definitely worth more looking into but it appears to be largely due to lack of caring. Can anyone with experience with Gamma weigh in on how well he keeps his read mapping straight in games he's flipped town?
Also still need more LUV votes, I hate to be mean but if he's town he's dug himself a hole he's not getting out of minus becoming mechanically clear. Plagiarizing me, saying I was null afterwards, denying it, and being unable to substantiate any of his claims about me all add up to a headscratcher of a game if he's town. I don't think assuming he's scum for it is a bad idea.
In post 1815, Zoronos wrote:In post 1813, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Could the people who scum read Implosion tell me why?In post 1810, Zoronos wrote:- My problem with Implosion is that he seems focused on arguing about things, rather than hunting scum. His posts from last night were lots of theory, and argumentation with other players, but none of those arguments were part of offensive scum cases. There was some defensive arguments, and some "You're playing bad" but no focus on finding scum. That's what bothers me about Implosion.
In post 1818, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1526, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have some good reasons me and Eager can't be scum, but I'll wait until tomorrow.
I was promising a defense on why me and Eager could not be partners.In post 1804, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1071, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1070, eagerSnake wrote:Also calling it 'scum theater' implies that there is 2 scum involved, which in this scenario would mean S_S and I are performing scum theater. Basically setting herself up to lynch him tomorrow when I flip
WHAT
You could have phrased that better.
BTW, this was going to be my proof that me and Eager weren't buddies. Why the hell wouldn't I state this in the scum chat? I decided to quote this because boring raised the concern of my promising a defense on allegations of being buddies with Eager being a fake clear.
And this was going to be my proof.
In post 1821, Grendel wrote:I'll be back in a few hours to most something else I've mean meaning to do since this day started.
Because you're afraid of having to be held accountable for you actions lol
How about voting Gamma? He is clearly among your top suspects yea?Zoronos wrote:Grendel, you probably want to stop relying on trivial 'x clears me' . It convinces nobody and replaces useful content. And is annoying.
Helpful hint.
???
In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, it seems I'm catching a lot of flack for forgetting who I townread. How is being forgetful scummy? I would think it's towny to forget, as scum need to keep a proper facade. I've forgotten what I've said in the past multiple times. Do you seriously think I would slip up so many times as scum?
In post 1835, Gamma Emerald wrote:But I've done it multiple times. Do you think I would be so bad as scum to screw up so much? Do you think I wouldn't have been told in daychat what to say?
I'm not afraid at all, I hammered yesterday. I just don't want a repeat of Day 1, as in a mislynch but I guess I just have to understand that it happens. I just want to play a flawless game but this site is quickly teaching me how impossible that is.
In post 1838, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because daychat exists; I would have stopped fucking up due to warnings from my teammates if I was scum. The legit ONLY way I could be mafia at this point was if I was a Traitor, which I am not.
In post 1840, Gamma Emerald wrote:If I was a traitor, I would have likely buddied the fuck out of someone to paint them as mafia. I haven't buddied anyone.
Also:
LUV, instead of continuing to argue his original point, decided to cede to my Traitor statement.
Looks like scum trying to play it safe on the push.
In post 1841, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually looking back I buddied boring a bit at the start of the game.
In post 1996, PenguinPower wrote:In post 1992, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You can still answer the second question. I'll even reword it.
If this isn't your scum game, what does how you're playing now say about your town game?
That this is similar to my town game? What do you want me to say? Not sure how that's beneficial.
In post 2031, Gamma Emerald wrote:It was something to do with post 522. Ask him because I can't remember the other post he referred to. The main point is your read on Prism looked fabricated.
In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nitpicking about inconsistencies =/= trying to find inconsistencies.
Also another thing I noticed, you seemed concerned about how you look. A few posts in your ISO if I recall you were frustrated at people for their reasoning for town reading you. It's as if you worried someone will go back and wonder why you're so widely town read by the majority.
In post 1693, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 1691, Prism wrote:If you haven't voted LUV and need a reason, read my #1689 and this response.In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nitpicking about inconsistencies =/= trying to find inconsistencies.Is this a scumtell?In post 1690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Also another thing I noticed, you seemed concerned about how you look. A few posts in your ISO if I recall you were frustrated at people for their reasoning for town reading you. It's as if you worried someone will go back and wonder why you're so widely town read by the majority.
I'm quoting both of our statements and showing that they're not the same thing. One is saying she was nitpicking about inconsistencies, the other is saying she is trying to find inconsistencies.
In post 2069, Zoronos wrote:Well then.
LUV - Talk to me. Who are your best scum reads? What do you think about the people voting on you - Whose cases are bad? Or do you think it's all mistaken town? (I am presuming here you are going to claim town and that you're being mislynched.
In post 2172, nn30 wrote:In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lynch within in boring, Grendal, Penguin, and Shadow or if not lynch Zoro because that's where my vote is going to be parked on.
This isn't even the correct version of Gamma's plan.
Gamma's "outside LUV / Zoro" grouping is myself, Grendel, PP, Prism, and Boring. He specifically said to leave out the likely town Shadow.
In post 2172, nn30 wrote:In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lynch within in boring, Grendal, Penguin, and Shadow or if not lynch Zoro because that's where my vote is going to be parked on.
This isn't even the correct version of Gamma's plan.
Gamma's "outside LUV / Zoro" grouping is myself, Grendel, PP, Prism, and Boring. He specifically said to leave out the likely town Shadow.
In post 2174, Prism wrote:Uh, yeah, sure. If you say so.In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:looking and nitpicking are not the same thing, not even close.Was I just null though?In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Even if they were, he is implying that I couldn't have him as null because I plagiarized him. Does that make sense to anyone else? Why couldn't I have had him as null because I liked this thoughts on boring? How does giving thoughts on boring make one worthy of a town read?In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why couldn't I have had him as null because I liked this thoughts on boring? How does giving thoughts on boring make one worthy of a town read?In post 522, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Prism - Just subbed in. Nothing to go off of.
I fail to see how as town you still vehemently insist that that thought was original even when a glance makes it obvious you were influenced in some way. Not even the only reason I'm voting you anyway.