Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

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Official Vote Count 2.07

Lynching

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Lil Uzi Vert

(3): boring, Gamma Emerald, Prism

Gamma Emerald

(2): Shadow_step, Dierfire

boring

(1): implosion

Zoronos

(1): PenguinPower

Not Voting

(4): Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, nn30, Zoronos

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-30 12:31:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get how those votes are scummy.

[boring]

I don't get how those votes are scummy.

He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.

[nn30]

This is tough.

On the one hand, Luv's last couple pages have been pretty bad. They're either:

1) Bad town
2) Scum

If I choose to go with 2, that means some of my previous reads were off.

Harumph.

I find reading Prism as scum very difficult. The fact tgat luv is suggesting it is what bothers me.

Maybe he is actually just off in moonland though. He was there with me yesterday when I scumread shadow for a year and a half.

[PenguinPower]

He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.

My reasons for Gamma were expressed in D1. I hadn't taken a look at Vote Counts until responding to LUV.

Next.

[boring]

VCA is crap.

[PenguinPower]

I disagree.

[Zoronos]

I'm frankly kinda surprised that Boring is springing to my defense and am not sure how to square that with my other scum reads.

[Zoronos]

Looking at the lynch yesterday, he provided no arguments for why Eager specifically was scum in the pair, didn't make any strong efforts to decide between the two competing claims, and didn't seem to examine the alternative trains. He just parked and went effectively afk other than an occasional 'this needs rope' style comment.

That to me suggests scum happy to take an easy lynch. He doesn't make an effort to sort out the alignments of all three players being discussed (boring, Eager, SS) because he doesn't care.

No, I cared. I just legit thought that Eager was scum. You should probably put your vote back on me with how strongly you think I'm scum.

VOTE: Gamma

Unlike you, this vote is because I think he's scum.

What is Gamma scum?

[PenguinPower]

Moved on from that for now.

[Grendel]

Looking at Maria's ISO, either one of them is really scum, more likely boring than Dierfire in my opinion, or MariaR is 5/5 in her townreads in #751. I'm inclined to believe the latter regardless of if the former is true. Cry WIFOM but you want but you only WIFOM if you think you're more likely to win because of it. This kill doesn't make sense if other, more town players are on the right track. nn30, Shadow, and PP line up nicely with my reads, Eager is flipped, and Grendel isn't a stretch. It seems unlikely for any of them to kill her if they're scum. I think they're all town, Grendel being the one I'm least sure on.

I wasn't gonna say it so early, but my pet theory currently is that scum killed off the Eager wagon to prevent their buddies on that wagon from being PoE later. This of course means that I'm thinking that scum will keep killing off that wagon to make narrowing things down harder. Also I the most scum kills tend to have their own pattern to them dependent to the team. Unfortunately its hard to divine it until later into the game. This theory would mean that I'm expecting two scum on the Eager wagon, with the third scum being off. Also, I predict that the scum off the wagon is the one setting themselves up to go deep.

There is also the possibility that scum thought MariaR was PR laying low or some such.

@Grendel, what are your thoughts on PP and LUV?

Pengiun has been

flying

I mean swimming

under the radar so far. His, "lets just lynch him already", mentality could have scum intent. My original feelings for hard scum reading him have become pretty stale since it seems more then a few people feel his reactions to me were more likely to come from town back on D1. I definitely dislike his play, and I do think he is a viable scum. Not sure how I feel about Zoronos leading the wagon though. Zoronos has been an active voice, but many of his stances that he doesn't back up with a vote, or an aggressive push come off to me as middling, and I just don't trust him. ei I don't want to support a wagon founded by a null-scum slot.

Luv is all over the place and I'm having trouble pacing him. I definitely didn't like his hammer, or the unnatural transitions in his reads. I can't help feeling like it is all to easy though.

I could vote either if it meant pushing a lynch through EoD. I think I need to think a little more before putting a vote on either.

I might try to look into Gamma first. There is something he has

not

been doing that I have been expecting him to do for a while now. And that is bothering me.

[Gamma Emerald]

He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.

My reasons for Gamma were expressed in D1. I hadn't taken a look at Vote Counts until responding to LUV.

Next.

This is actually what I was going to say. However the swift unvote is kinda stupid. I had a wagon on me, if you thought I was scum you should have stayed on my wagon.

[Grendel]

Wait, Zornos never even revoted Penguin...

VOTE: Penguin

For now.

[PenguinPower]

He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.

My reasons for Gamma were expressed in D1. I hadn't taken a look at Vote Counts until responding to LUV.

Next.

This is actually what I was going to say. However the swift unvote is kinda stupid. I had a wagon on me, if you thought I was scum you should have stayed on my wagon.

I'm going to vote my strongest scumread, and Zoronos' lack of voting at all rubs me the wrong way...way wrong.

Don't worry though...I have no problem hammering you should we reach that point, but I think we're a ways off.

[PenguinPower]

Wait, Zornos never even revoted Penguin...

This is kinda what I'm talking about. Lots of words. No votes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that's making me uncomfortable. Not "I'll totally claim intent", "I have no problem hammering".
So you seem to not want to push my wagon. Sure, I can

totally

buy that as town play.
VOTE: PenguinPower

[PenguinPower]

Oh, should I put together a readlist and be all like:

Town:
Leantown:
Null:
Leanscum: Gamma
Scum: Zoronos

Would that make it more appealing? Lists are pretty.

[Grendel]

Gamma Emerald, How are you reading boring currently?

Okay that's making me uncomfortable. Not "I'll totally claim intent", "I have no problem hammering".
So you seem to not want to push my wagon. Sure, I can

totally

buy that as town play.
VOTE: PenguinPower

uh, I thought you had decided Penguin was town just yesterday?

[Zoronos]

Moved on from that for now.

So you have decided instead that he is town?

[Zoronos]

Oh, I see I was beaten. So now he's a leanscum read. Justify your lean scum read. "Moved on from that" isn't an answer to 'Why is he scum'. Perhaps an answer to 'is he your top scum' but that wasn't the question asked.

[Gamma Emerald]

I changed my mind on PP:
1) The "Shadow intended to frame me and PP" idea is pretty illogical
2) This dude just said he's on my wagon pretty much but he'll be pushing someone else. Sounds scum motivated to me.

[Zoronos]

Wait, Zornos never even revoted Penguin...

VOTE: Penguin

For now.

As I said, I'd like to do some rethink. When my scum reads are attacking each other either I have some wrong reads or the buses are lining up early and I need to figure out which are legit attacks, which are busses, and where I'm going wrong if anywhere.

[PenguinPower]

Oh, I see I was beaten. So now he's a leanscum read. Justify your lean scum read. "Moved on from that" isn't an answer to 'Why is he scum'. Perhaps an answer to 'is he your top scum' but that wasn't the question asked.

You're right, but I can't edit posts. Should have said "Moved on to something else for now."

Again, my scum read on him was discussed D1, and considering your top of my charts right now...don't feel the need to address your questions at this point.

How about this...why don't you comment on your lack of taking a hard stance on..........anything.

p-edit

So you've been rethinking this entire game?

[PenguinPower]

I changed my mind on PP:
1) The "Shadow intended to frame me and PP" idea is pretty illogical
2) This dude just said he's on my wagon pretty much but he'll be pushing someone else. Sounds scum motivated to me.

Haha...

1.) I already called that out as icky.
2.) Would you not join a wagon at end of day if you felt the slot was scummy and your top scum read's wagon didn't materialize? That sounds pretty normal to me...

[Gamma Emerald]

You never said "end of the day". You said "I would hammer if it got to that point", meaning whenever I reached the point to be hammered.