2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?
3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?
4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why? (Ex: 1 would be deciding between 13, and 2. 2 would be deciding between 1 and 3. 3 would decide between 2 and 4.) [/qoute]
Zoronos because I haven't played with him and don't trust him.5) How excited are you for this game?
I'm excited to play some new people, so yeah pretty excited. Let's hope I don't get a case of Cabin Fever amiright?Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah Eager is lame, you're the one I want to see in action!
What am I? Chopped liver?
In post 45, MariaR wrote:Answers to your questions:
1) Mafia
2) As mafia I have only been Ml'd once because of a cop guilty Glares at Shadow
3) My play shifts almost as much as my personality
4) I would lynch the one above me because anyone who tries to get in my way of getting to the top should die.
5) Quite
In post 84, nn30 wrote:Yes, I outed myself on post 1 day 1. /s
Your over-aggressive-ness is a sign of scum IMO. If "I'm not afraid to die" is your reaction to getting voted then you're not playing to your win con.
I'm more of an MLA guy.
In post 98, eagerSnake wrote:Could be faux-analytical
In post 125, Shadow_step wrote:Grendel, you mind answering your own questions?
Also I think LUV is scum and everyone should be voting there.
In post 167, Zoronos wrote:In post 164, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh just the fact LUV did this last game I played with him.
Playing completely absent annoys me, but something being annoying doesn't make it scum. But it also doesn't make me really want to jump in front of a train and yell "No this is wrong don't lynch it" and I really love doing that, so give me something to work with if this is your sincerely held belief.
In post 182, boring wrote:This appears to be an insider-only train of thought. Are you planning to share with the rest of the class once you get an answer from Grendel?In post 180, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay looking back at that no-claim thing mafia did it more it seems. I'm not quite sure what this means for Eager so I'll wait for Grendel's opinions on the matter.
In post 188, boring wrote:In post 179, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Zoronos
Best vote atm I haven't liked any of his posts to put it in a simple answer.
This is a train that I can ride for a while. Have you ever worn a jacket so small that you can't button it up or move your arms properly? That's what he brings to mind.
VOTE: Zoronos
In post 288, boring wrote:Gamma, is it safe to say that your mutual scum-reading with implosion is centered around your differing reads on LUV, or am I over-simplifying. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
In post 367, MariaR wrote:to fast a wagon for someone not very scummy nope not doing it
In post 427, Grendel wrote:@Gamma Outside of how I opened my game why are you town reading me?
I would also like an explanation as why Implosion went from scum to town, and why Shadow step went from town to what ever "need to contribute" means.
Lastly What do you think of Penguin?
Pre-editnn30 wrote:@Grendel
I prefaced my post with a town read on you so that you know I'm not coming at you from an antagonistic point of view.
Hmm, okay. I thought you might be worried I'd brush you off or something.
Which I wouldn't have btw.
In post 450, PenguinPower wrote:So that's a reason to no longer scum read...why did he move to town read?
In post 456, Grendel wrote:Are you scum reading Zoronos? Because you voted one of my biggest critics for being critical of me, which would imply you had a town read on me at least since then. For you to suddenly say that you weren't town reading me doesn't add up to how I recalled your actions. What specificly about my play is townie?
Also, Why is the crux of your vote for Penguin "what Grendel said"?
That puts you in a position were you could blame me if Penguin flips town. And as a whole is not informative, rather is lazy.
In post 209, Gamma Emerald wrote:He's probably town based on his current actions, but I want to see more.
In post 491, Dierfire wrote:@GrendelIn post 434, Grendel wrote:Does anybody have some hypothetical scum teams cooked up?
I can't I.D. third scum for my scum team and want to hear some interactions people may have caught between people.
A lot of people I originally thought could be with Penguin were, or are, on his wagon.
As I've outlined (351), I think that Gamma Emerald looks like a viable partner for PenguinPower. I also want to flag the quote below as suspicious, but I think that it's probably not productive to think too hard about this from an associative perspective right now.In post 432, PenguinPower wrote:Btw...not liking Slandaar right now. Hate. Absolutely hate. Prodging.
The timing is weird to me (¿why is the absence of Slandaar provoking absolute hate at this point?) and feels more like PenguinPower is looking for something to say than like PenguinPower has a real comment on Slandaar at this point.
In post 505, PenguinPower wrote:And LUV seems to be doing...what?
In post 543, nn30 wrote:To add on - the reason his stating so many town tells feels scummy is that scum already know who town is - they have perfect information - what better way to gain cred with the town than "reading" their play and letting them know that he thinks they're town?
In post 549, nn30 wrote:In post 547, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 543, nn30 wrote:To add on - the reason his stating so many town tells feels scummy is that scum already know who town is - they have perfect information - what better way to gain cred with the town than "reading" their play and letting them know that he thinks they're town?
This case is bs
Instead of reacting to the whole case you chose to react to a single part of it which, on it's own, would indeed be a BS case.
That's why cases are made up of multiple pieces.
More Gamma votes please.
In post 552, nn30 wrote:In post 551, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 549, nn30 wrote:In post 547, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 543, nn30 wrote:To add on - the reason his stating so many town tells feels scummy is that scum already know who town is - they have perfect information - what better way to gain cred with the town than "reading" their play and letting them know that he thinks they're town?
This case is bs
Instead of reacting to the whole case you chose to react to a single part of it which, on it's own, would indeed be a BS case.
That's why cases are made up of multiple pieces.
More Gamma votes please.
I'm sorry I have less time to read than I like.
Yet you have time to post two replies to me...
In post 584, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 605, nn30 wrote:@Dierfire - Your 595 seems fairly convincing to me. I'm also inclined to give more credit to your reads because you came in late - people who come in late get a better picture of what's happened before them.
I agree that Gamma's quick switch on PP in 481 felt hinky. I also agree
Also, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.In post 570, Gamma Emerald wrote:
As for Dierfire, I think he is the most likely scum on PP's wagon. His grouping of me and PP feels like throwing shade on us. This makes me think PP is town. If Dier flips town I'll reconsider my PP read.
The fact that another player (Dierfire) is grouping the two of you together should have no bearing on your read of PP. Doing so is engaging in a logical fallacy.
In post 629, nn30 wrote:In post 333, implosion wrote:And I think the most damning thing about Gamma (which I've mentioned but no one seems to have noticed) is still this flat-out contradiction. It's indicative that he doesn't actually have a consistent internal state of reads in his head; if he actually didn't hold the opinion that LUV was probably town, he straight-up would never have explicitly called LUV town. The fact that he called LUV town and then said that he doesn't actually believe LUV is town (just that a particular argument was bad) is very strong evidence that he's just pretending to have reads on people.
I think this post needs more attention. (I agree with it).
In post 861, Shadow_step wrote:GE is avoiding the thread, probably is his buddy.
In post 939, Shadow_step wrote:Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.
In post 926, eagerSnake wrote:Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read
In post 943, PenguinPower wrote:In post 942, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 939, Shadow_step wrote:Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.
This happened:In post 926, eagerSnake wrote:Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read
Why does it sound like a fake read to you?
In post 991, Shadow_step wrote:No, DF and Grendel will hopefully vote Eager then prism and zoro will need to hammer.
In post 1004, Shadow_step wrote:Didn't interact = scum buddies hahhhahahahahhahahahaha
In post 1013, Prism wrote:Phone post so I'll make it fast.
Minimum 2 scum on that boring wagon but I really wouldn't be surprised if it's all 3.
P-edit: Eager/Implosion/nn30/LUV are all acceptable lynches so far.
In post 1017, Shadow_step wrote:
?? You seriously make me wanna bang my head on the wall.
Have you seen why GE is voting boring? Because she perceived my play as aggressive, he doesn't see it as aggressive. So boring must be scum, how does that even make sense?
In post 1022, Shadow_step wrote:Its not opportunistic. Eager has been cced. He is conf scum. Why is boring's vote opportunistic and not PP?
In post 1033, eagerSnake wrote:@Gamma I'm sure you've seen my spiel about self-voting as town... Question: Do you think that this situation warrants being a pro-town reason for wanting to be lynched?
In post 1070, eagerSnake wrote:Also calling it 'scum theater' implies that there is 2 scum involved, which in this scenario would mean S_S and I are performing scum theater. Basically setting herself up to lynch him tomorrow when I flip
In post 1084, Prism wrote:Phone post so keeping it short again.
I think I've been tunneling way too hard on nn30/imposion, whenever I feel like I'm not being heard I tend to get more and more assertive to match and that's a dangerous pitfall to fall into. nn's response to me was good and seemed genuine, on the other hand I still don't like implosion, especially his last post on boring.
ISOing LUV however has made it pretty clear I've been wrong to give him and others a pass while I tunneled. For now I'm going to
UNVOTE:
In post 1075, podoboq wrote:(Driving. Will post vc here later)
EDIT: Leaving in the parenthetical for context.
In post 1098, eagerSnake wrote:So you scumread me for truthtelling, Grendel?
In post 1102, eagerSnake wrote:What do you expect me to do? Make wallposts and color-coded read lists?
In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:I need further input.
I mentioned that Grendel's summary made me rethink some things. What I'm having issues dealing with is determining the motivation behind a certain play. This play is the "both are town" idea that Eager and Maria have suggested. Thing is, I've used this defense before...
...As scum. It's a great way to avoid getting trapped in a CC if it works. What I need to know is if this is something you agree is something scum would do. I'm feeling incredibly confused right now and this feedback will help.
In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:I need further input.
I mentioned that Grendel's summary made me rethink some things. What I'm having issues dealing with is determining the motivation behind a certain play. This play is the "both are town" idea that Eager and Maria have suggested. Thing is, I've used this defense before...
...As scum. It's a great way to avoid getting trapped in a CC if it works. What I need to know is if this is something you agree is something scum would do. I'm feeling incredibly confused right now and this feedback will help.
In post 1133, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:I need further input.
I mentioned that Grendel's summary made me rethink some things. What I'm having issues dealing with is determining the motivation behind a certain play. This play is the "both are town" idea that Eager and Maria have suggested. Thing is, I've used this defense before...
...As scum. It's a great way to avoid getting trapped in a CC if it works. What I need to know is if this is something you agree is something scum would do. I'm feeling incredibly confused right now and this feedback will help.
@implosion and nn30
I want input on this.
In post 1152, Zoronos wrote:In the movie Beetlejuice if you said his name three times he'd show up.
They're making commentary that you don't post proactively, but rather reactively when your name comes up. And / or making a joke.
In post 1197, eagerSnake wrote:Yay my first time being MLed as town
In post 1201, eagerSnake wrote:Despite the fact I'm town I think it might be fine
In post 1219, MariaR wrote:Anyone on eagers wagon who can answer this:
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
In post 1222, nn30 wrote:In post 1221, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1219, MariaR wrote:Anyone on eagers wagon who can answer this:
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Why does scum eager claim day 1 when he'd be the most powerful maf role?
Could be faking ascetic.
Could be, but less likely than him actually just being ascetic.
Assuming he's fake claiming at the start of day one is a stretch, especially for someone who's only been on the site a few months.
In post 1230, eagerSnake wrote:Like wtf kinda twisted argument is that?
In post 1257, PenguinPower wrote:
Um...anyone gets called out and scum read when they're coasting. Always. Except Dierfire it seems.
In post 1259, PenguinPower wrote:If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.
In post 1262, nn30 wrote:In post 1260, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1259, PenguinPower wrote:If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.
I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?
Don't read too much into this.
It's not like the two of you randomly starting a wagon on Dierfire would result in a lynch today.
It's basically Eager, Boring, or maaaaybe Shadow today.
In post 1267, Grendel wrote:Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1259, PenguinPower wrote:If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.
I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?
I thought you viewed mutually exclusive relationships as pro-scum.
In post 1264, eagerSnake wrote:Gamma why not boring?
In post 1275, Grendel wrote:I'm really afraid I don't have the time to read up on anyone tonight.
I have a big project due in a couple days that I've only just started. Sorry.
Pre-editGamma Emerald wrote:In post 1267, Grendel wrote:Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1259, PenguinPower wrote:If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.
I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?
I thought you viewed mutually exclusive relationships as pro-scum.
What do you mean by mutually exclusive relationships, and when did I say that?
I mean you are living in a world were it has to be Town/scum, not town/town, or scum/scum.
I seem to recalled you thought that it was a great way for scum to "set up lynches". Scum call these two lynches Town/scum, and when the first flips town they can move onto the other because, "they both can't be town".
Wasn't those your words in the newbie we played together? Wasn't that the whole reason you investigated me back then?
In post 1279, eagerSnake wrote:Isn't it an odd behavior to vote the person your top scumread is voting?
In post 1281, eagerSnake wrote:You were ready to lynch me, and I was ready to lynch boring, now you are ready to lynch boring.
Also Prism was ready to lynch me, and I voted implosion, and then Prism voted implosion as well.
Isn't that an odd behavior to vote the person your top scumread is voting?
In post 1284, nn30 wrote:In post 1282, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1281, eagerSnake wrote:You were ready to lynch me, and I was ready to lynch boring, now you are ready to lynch boring.
Also Prism was ready to lynch me, and I voted implosion, and then Prism voted implosion as well.
Isn't that an odd behavior to vote the person your top scumread is voting?
I said that you had done some good scumhunting.
How does that not equal scumreading you less?
And would you prefer I vote you instead?
Eager is now actively scumhunting - except the target is you (and Prism).
This bothers you for... reasons?
My Gamma scum read from earlier is coming back.
In post 1287, nn30 wrote:@gamma - Yeah, and now he's applying logic (scumhunting) to the actions of others (which includes you).
In post 1297, Dierfire wrote:All right, I've caught up.
I am virtually certain that Shadow_step has the Ascetic modifier, regardless of alignment (he was clearly setting up to counter the claim as soon as eagerSnake made it), and very confident that Shadow_step is Town (Mafia has low incentive to counter the claim). With eagerSnake, I was half expecting him to withdraw the claim; the fact that he hasn't rules out some Town plays (Bulletproof or Miller trying to draw the kill were my first thoughts, I also thought of Wary but I don't know if that's common on this site because I can't find it in the Wiki--certainly it's not Normal). It also weighs against some Mafia plays (I agree with the idea that a Mafia Ascetic role is powerful and probably unlikely to claim early without withdrawing the claim later, so I'd find a Mafia Goon more likely).
A few points since the claim make me suspicious of eagerSnake. First, and most obviously, eagerSnake actively resisted attempts by Zoronos (785 and others) and nn30 (888) to provide content that would help us judge his alignment independently of the Ascetic claim. This seems consistent with a Mafia player in significant danger of being lynched and trying to avoid giving associative information (discussion of possible self-vote in 980 is also consistent with that thought process). The vote on implosion in 1212 is also strange given that boring is the larger wagon and was the player eagerSnake was most confidently reading as Mafia (I don't see any change from 1104). Of course, I think that the reasons to vote for boring didn't hold much water in the first place (next postpost after next), which is also suspicious (I'm not buying that eagerSnake was simply too uncertain to make a meaningful case--in that event, he should have been working at improving his reads rather than repetitively insisting that he was Town).
UNVOTE: PenguinPower
VOTE: eagerSnake
I want a full claim from eagerSnake.
I saw someone else ask this and get the "fishing" dodge, so to be clear: I am inclined to lynch eagerSnake unless he has some additional reason that we should leave him alive.
It seems unlikely to me that PenguinPower and Gamma Emerald are both Mafia with eagerSnake, but either one could be.
In post 1299, Dierfire wrote:Last, I'm discussing boring.
MariaR seems to be working with PoE (675). I've nothing useful to say about that.
I see that nn30 has multiple references to things that feel "off" (564, 638, 932) but not much elaboration on those.
The idea that eagerSnake parking a vote on boring should have attracted more votes from Mafia players if boring were Town (820) does not seem compelling to me. For one thing, there were votes for boring: a vote from Prism in 488 (due to an error in the VC the two votes for boring are listed separately), one from MariaR in 644, and one from implosion in 786.
I don't find it suspicious that she turned on eagerSnake after Shadow_step claimed. I think that her ISO clearly shows that she was reading eagerSnake as Town for no reason other than the claim (whether this was warranted is a separate discussion, but not one that I feel gives insight into her alignment given her reaction in 73). I'm not seeing any evidence that boring is "happy" with the conflict between Shadow_step and eagerSnake (774), other than the fact that she was ready to vote for eagerSnake.
The idea that the read on Shadow_step given by boring in 476 is the one that I most agree with--that last line in particular does seem awkward. I do think that Shadow_step seemed aggressive before that, though (and I find it suspicious that Gamma Emerald in 927 seems convinced by this, since Gamma Emerald in 485 thought that Shadow_step was in a tunnel).
This isn't a Town read, but it's not a Mafia read and I think that eagerSnake is a better vote than boring.
In post 1260, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1259, PenguinPower wrote:If I didn't think you were scum...yeah. Still want eager to flip.
I figured this would be the case, but did it anyway to see your response.
No real read change, but I've decided that you cannot be scum if Dier is town. What scum would reject an offer like that?
In post 1306, Dierfire wrote:I don't know why PenguinPower as Mafia would be so supremely excited to vote for me just because you had.
In post 1309, Dierfire wrote:I could think of lots of reasons for PenguinPower not to see a need to move his vote there.
What if he were Mafia with eagerSnake, afraid to look like he's trying to counter the wagon?
What if he were Mafia with boring, trying to keep the eagerSnake wagon viable to avoid lynching boring?
What if every single wagon were on Town, and he just didn't see a need to move a vote at all?
(What if he were Mafia with you and the whole thing is an act?)