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[Foxbird]

Votecount 1.17

AlpacaAlpaca

(1) - malpascp

Thor665

(1) - ironstove

karnos

(3) - Thor665, Knighty Knight, Lowell

Knighty Knight

(4) - LmkGuy, PenguinPower, aronagrundy, Saru

LmkGuy

(1) - Nero Cain

Saru

(2) - karnos, GreyICE

Not Voting

(1) - AlpacaAlpaca

With

13

players eligible to vote, it’s

7

to lynch!

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2016-10-24 15:08:49).

Mod Notes:

malpascp is V/LA.

[Foxbird]

Knighty Knight has requested replacement.

Searching for one now.

[aronagrundy]

Lol.

Also

@mod: I will be v/la from 8/21 to 8/23

. I'll be back by Sunday night my time, but I'll probably have no internet over the weekend.

I'll post more today/tonight

[Foxbird]

Lol.

Also

@mod: I will be v/la from 8/21 to 8/23

. I'll be back by Sunday night my time, but I'll probably have no internet over the weekend.

I'll post more today/tonight

Noted!

[Nero Cain]

Nero hasn't done much as of late, so I'd like to see more from him.

I've been p lazy lately and I'm just honestly a little lost. Like for awhile there I was thinking that scum were in the low posters like Mal and LMK and Karnos (though he's gotten more active since he needed to defend himself.)

I can dig the case on Knight I was just getting awkward town vibes from him earlier.

[Nero Cain]

I genuinely believe the Tracer wagon was a bunch of wank so I'm betting there is scum there prob Iron.

[karnos]

Hmm this GreyICE replace in really turned the game around, I need to re-read a bit and think about things.

[Thor665]

As for the rest of the game - I'd say maybe Thor taking advantage of me on Karnos? Been thinking about that ever since Karnos mentioned it. He's basically stolen what I've been saying about Karnos and presented it as his own, perhaps to get me to keep going.

You also copied some of my arguments - that's called both of us having similar issues with the gak Karnos is selling. Unless your theory is the holes in his logic could only be seen by you?

@Grey - why do you not like the wagon on Karnos, it is a good wagon.

@Mod - V/LA till Sunday the 23rd

[karnos]

Oh. I wish you hadn't done that.

Why?

[karnos]

Knighty Knight has requested replacement.

Searching for one now.

And I was just thinking he would be a good alternative lynch.

[Foxbird]

@Mod - V/LA till Sunday the 23rd

Noted~

[karnos]

The problem being, I NEVER said that I wouldn't share a single town read. I specifically said that sharing all information was anti-town, but then I gave several examples of exceptions to that. I actually didn't think it would be necessary to spell out an exception in something I was already doing, but I guess scum can be pedantic and their arguments.

So what is the logic of this exception to your rule?
It's okay to call out a town read to sheep him on a slot that you maybe sorta scumread?
Explain how that logic works within your reasoning to not reveal townreads - because I am missing it.

What you are missing is that I said I didn't want to reveal ALL town reads. Revealing one town read is not revealing all town reads. Revealing two town reads is not revealing ALL town reads.

Are you really all hung up on this because you don't know the difference between "any" & "all"?

[Thor665]

So it's okay to reveal any number of townreads - allowing scum to know who people townread - as long as you don't reveal 'all' town reads, because this will not allow them to know who people townread?

[PenguinPower]

Oh. I wish you hadn't done that.

Why?

Because I wish he had voted Knighty's slot, obviously.

[PenguinPower]

Knighty Knight has requested replacement.

Searching for one now.

And I was just thinking he would be a good alternative lynch.

Then hop on the wagon.

[karnos]

So it's okay to reveal any number of townreads - allowing scum to know who people townread - as long as you don't reveal 'all' town reads, because this will not allow them to know who people townread?

If you actually read through my ISO, you wouldn't be asking such questions.

I don't see the need to announce who my "conf town" are, as all it does is give them a list of good nightkill targets. If someone was getting wagoned hard and I thought they were town, I'd speak up. And when the game progresses it'll be nice to compare reads to find the final scum by PoE, but my general philosophy is that sharing all information at all times is anti-town.

There are varying levels: "confirmed town, obvious town, probably town, nullish town, etc. If, for the sake of argument, I was being globally read as obvious town, and of course scum knows I am town, they might use that information to nightkill me because they know I would be hard to get a miss lynch on. OTOH if I am largely read as scum, null, or at best nullish town, that tells scum that they can let me live and try to get me killed through a lynch. But if you don't give out town reads as specific as that, all the scum really gets is that X people scum read karnos, no idea about the rest... they have less information.

Scum already know who is town! They start with perfect information on that, they don't need to analyze posts as much as town. town are trying to figure out who is scum, and in that process develop some useful town reads. But when it comes time to pick a night kill, scum love nothing mroe than nice organized lists that they can look at and compare to figure out the best kill target.

Nothing is going to prevent scum from getting a night kill except a lucky doc. That isn't the goal of not sharing town reads. The idea is that if the town, overall has a general "obv town" guy and a "maybe kinda scummy but i think he is town" guy, that gives scum the easy path to victory of killing the obv town and leaving the sorta scummy town guys who are much more likely to be night killed.

By sharing a single read, I tell scum basically nothing to help them in the above. Sure, they know I think iron is town, but they don't know if I might have other even townier town reads, or less towny reads. They are still in the dark.

[karnos]

Knighty Knight has requested replacement.

Searching for one now.

And I was just thinking he would be a good alternative lynch.

Then hop on the wagon.

But I still think Saru &/or Thor are scum. Lets see what the replace has to say.

[karnos]

Nothing is going to prevent scum from getting a night kill except a lucky doc. That isn't the goal of not sharing town reads. The idea is that if the town, overall has a general "obv town" guy and a "maybe kinda scummy but i think he is town" guy, that gives scum the easy path to victory of killing the obv town and leaving the sorta scummy town guys who are much more likely to be

night killed.

By sharing a single read, I tell scum basically nothing to help them in the above. Sure, they know I think iron is town, but they don't know if I might have other even townier town reads, or less towny reads. They are still in the dark.

Bolded should be "miss lynched", missed that error when I originally posted.

[PenguinPower]

But I still think Saru &/or Thor are scum. Lets see what the replace has to say.

Then why did you think he would be a "good alternative wagon" if you think scum is in Saru/Thor?

[Thor665]

@Karnos - you're selling, I'm not buying.

[Lowell]

I find it scummy as hell when someone who has been coasting for weeks suddenly gets a little pressure then decides to quit. Esp when others follow that with "oh too bad, I was super ready to jump on that wagon you guyz"

VOTE: knighty

I'm confident there's at least one scum in the basicially indistinguishable pair of lmk/knighy. This well-timed quit fits with what I would expect this type of player to do when under pressure. So, sorry whoever is replacing, you got a bum deal.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So after reading up I have to say I think Lmk is scum, he can sir back and watch the theatre of others sink each other while he kicks back and doesnt do anything

VOTE: Lmk

Pedit: Lowell what do you think of the people saying yout 180 was trash

[AlpacaAlpaca]

i will also be in and out today because im in midterms but my last one is tommorow in the morning so after that I will be back, sorry for the inactivity

[Lowell]

So after reading up I have to say I think Lmk is scum, he can sir back and watch the theatre of others sink each other while he kicks back and doesnt do anything

VOTE: Lmk

Pedit: Lowell what do you think of the people saying yout 180 was trash

My 180 on who? Doesn't matter, I defend it blindly.

[Foxbird]

Gasp! A bump?