Grendel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:42 pmThe trouble with your D1 Gamma case is that Gamma always plays in that manner. You're town reading him for reasons I find non-AI as far as Gamma goes.
I do, begrudgingly, have to support this. He was almost mislynched in a newbie game I was obvscum in because he just wears it on his sleeve.
You were voting Gamma quite recently, and never really posted much to say your read had flipped, so why is this a begrudging agreement?
Also, this is a really odd phrasing if he was town at the time, since Grendel is arguing it makes him scum now.
Actually I'm arguing that Gamma's play style is a null read. He doesn't play like a survivor as either town or mafia. So I think that town reading him for how he charges through the game unbothered is folly.
This VC is where I'm starting.
So, eagerSnake is Town and 4/5 players on the boring wagon are Town. Although it's clear to me that my reads have not been superb in this game, I still think that Shadow_step is close to mechanistically clear by virtue of his claim.
If boring is Town, it's unlikely that the Mafia players would find a reason to avoid her wagon (makes nn30 more suspicious) and it makes PenguinPower the most suspicious player on the eagerSnake wagon. Lil Uzi Vert remains the most suspicious of the players on neither wagon.
If boring is Mafia, it makes nn30 less suspicious and probably increases the chances that we're looking at something like: boring, either PenguinPower or Grendel, and one of the players on neither wagon.
PenguinPower and Lil Uzi Vert are fairly suspicious regardless of whether boring is Town or Mafia. PenguinPower is more suspicious than Grendel, which makes him a better guess for a second Mafia player working with boring to oppose her wagon and a better guess for a single Mafia player on the eagerSnake wagon. Lil Uzi Vert is more suspicious than Zoronos and Prism, which makes him a good guess for Mafia unless all Mafia players are on the important wagons.
Zoronos wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:03 pmPenguinPower - He put his vote on Eager quite promptly after the claim, then did nothing to try and figure out which side was telling the truth. He responded to some questions about himself (his secondary read being Gamma) and otherwise reiterated over and over to lynch Snake. Of particular note - I don't feel Penguin can be scum with either Grendel or Boring.
Do you still feel that PenguinPower is unlikely to be Mafia with Grendel or boring?
Dierfire wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:01 pmDo you still feel that PenguinPower is unlikely to be Mafia with Grendel or boring?
I am less certain that I used to be; specifically, the difficulty in getting votes to stick him on has made me less certain of that conclusion than I was at the start of the day.
Those associatives were born from looking at the D1 vote counters. 383 was the peak of the D1 Penguin votes, and boring and Grendel were both in the first-three votes on him.
I'd need to re-read the initial Penguin train to give you a better insight.
Grendel wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:29 am
His lack of effort and or interest in sorting people he has played with before (Me in particular).
Well him being a cop would explain this.
I'm mainly concerned since I had somebody else down as our investigative PR. So this popping up leaves me to wonder if I need a general over haul of my reads since most my scum teams involve Gamma.
I wonder what the likihood is that Gamma would fake claim in this situation?
There wasn't much pressure on him in hopes of doing it for survival purposes. A scum's fake claim probably would have some closer to deadline. I don't really think Gamma would be the fake claiming type either.
Also even if Gamma is telling the truth, implo isn't clear.
Town cop would imply at least one mafia role which is immune to cop. We already have 2 ascetics. Nexus is not normal. GF is blacklisted. Leaves a traitor.
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.
"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach
"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel