Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[The_Jester]

Official Vote Count 1.11

Lynching

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

NJAC

(L-3): Harkonnen97, FancyPants, farside22, GammaEmerald

Kop

(L-5): Yuria, eagerSnake

Fire Assassin

(L-6): texcat

texcat

(L-6): Fire Assassin

farside22

(L-6): NJAC

Harkonnen97

(L-6): persephone325

GammaEmerald

(L-6): MiniDeathStar

Not Voting

(1): Kop

Mod notes: Deadline soon!

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-26 10:00:00)

[farside22]

Actually I really didn't see your last post. I'm sorry about that. I thought before you voted him you were saying he plays scummy when he is town, which is why I was very baffled at you sheeping that wagon.

If you think Gamma is scum with NJAC, why is Gamma bussing NJAC right now? Like, what does he gain from that? Even if NJAC flips scum, I wouldn't give Gamma *any* towncredit for it.

I said NJAC was town because I think he just isn't very good at putting his thoughts into words and is trying to rely more on intuition for his reads. He isn't nitpicking or changing his FOS at first convenience. Then again, I hadn't seen his previous game until now. I have to note he *is* playing a little different this time. I just don't know if it's enough to make me want to vote him over Gamma.

Most players ignore those that jump on the wagon in my experience. They write it off and look off the wagon.

You are one of the few other then me that thinks the dude is scummy. I can just see him skating by.

I'm good with the Gamma vote.
You want a wagon?

VOTE: Gamma

Lets review him.

The call out of hark as scum. then following him.
The weak pushes.
tr on Text cat keeping this for later
calling out NJAC for following, nothing until wagon started
The multitude of scum reads based on nothing at all, IE keeping his options open.
Add to the links I used when I read to the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because he's an easy lynch and they are the ones who made it happen. Harkonnen drove the wagon, but they are the ones who gave it momentum. Also they never had strong suspicions on him, they only hopped on the lynch once a universal town read invited people to do it. I guess they thought they can try to shift the blame onto Hark tomorrow, and claim how scummy NJAC was and how they were all doing us a favour.

(Again, this is only if NJAC is town. If he's scum, then I don't know.)

Blame me all you want IDGAF

[Gamma Emerald]

I think NJAC is the VI. I think scum plays a lot more carefully than he does.

Farside and Gamma instantly sheeped NJAC as soon as you Harkonnen said that. What did Gamma say? "this. this. this." More manufactured tells.

I'm not sure what farside is. She reads somewhat town, but she's very experienced so I don't know. I liked her initially for pushing on Gamma but then she dropped the vote and went on NJAC. Just like that. He wasn't even one of her scum reads. She could have been bussing Gamma for all I know.

Yuria, Kop and Harkonnen feel town for now.

I think Fire Assassin feels town, too.

Unsure on FancyPants, but if Gamma is scum, I doubt Fancy is scum.

Not a lot on eagersnake or persephone. Eager is the more suspicious of the two.

Texcat looks scummy. But the fact everyone else think she is scummy makes me doubt that read somewhat. Then again, why are so few people voting her?

NJAC is most likely a VI.

I have NJAC on my scum list at the end of my post.

His game here as I said is nothing like are last game together.
He's more lurky, only one scum read, nothing else of value here.

I don't disagree with Gamma, he completely in gores my question plus you have the hark scum read to sheeping hark.

Yes I think they are scum together.
Look how little Gamma has tried to push that scum read.

It's a town read now on Hark, silly.

[MiniDeathStar]

Really, Gamma? That's literally all you have to say?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have more but that's what I felt I needed to respond to upon catching up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Me saying "this and this are why I scumread X" is not a manufactured read(WTF is a manufactured tell?). Look for contradictions, not nitpicks(which someone took issue with me doing I believe).

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I don't know why I'm letting this slip by at all.
VOTE: eagerSnake

[Gamma Emerald]

ok guys dont be shy there is a caviat to being inactive

Trying to force discussion while not actually discussing anything. Scum satisfied with the game state trying to fake town dissatisfied with the game state.

Read his posts with the voice of a Sith Lord; it doesn't matter which one. It doesn't even effect the tone; that's not a good sign.

BSed reads people?

So who are we lynching again?

Town should not ask this question. Town votes their scum reads.

I did it for the lulz

Still RVS voting apparently. WHY IS HE RVS VOTING ON PAGE 20-SOMETHING?

[MiniDeathStar]

Fake scumhunting. If you're scum and you know someone isn't but want to lynch them, you have to make up reasons. I feel like this is what you've been doing for a good part of the game. "Pseudo OMGUS"? "Throwing shade"? What do these even mean?

You've been voting pretty much everybody this game. You FOSed Harkonnen and FancyPants. Then you made some weak case on Fire Assassin, then you abandoned it when nobody seemed interested. Then switched to Eager. Then to NJAC. Is that not a contradiction?

Your defence was literally "IDGAF about you". You never asked me what I thought was fake about you until I prompted you to.

You never addressed any of farside's concerns. She's been voting you the longest. Why are you ignoring her?

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Oh, more posts while I was typing. Okay so NOW you switched to eagerSnake once again? What the hell?

[texcat]

You've been voting pretty much everybody this game. You FOSed Harkonnen and FancyPants. Then you made some weak case on Fire Assassin, then you abandoned it when nobody seemed interested. Then switched to Eager. Then to NJAC. Is that not a contradiction?

Hi Mini.
Hasn't Hark done exactly this same thing? Why are you town reading him?

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL I can't change who I push? I've seen people being idiots about me changing my reads but this is something else. I CAN'T DECIDE TO CHANGE MY FOCUS AS TOWN? WTF LOGIC IS THAT?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fake scumhunting. If you're scum and you know someone isn't but want to lynch them, you have to make up reasons. I feel like this is what you've been doing for a good part of the game. "Pseudo OMGUS"? "Throwing shade"? What do these even mean?

You've been voting pretty much everybody this game. You FOSed Harkonnen and FancyPants. Then you made some weak case on Fire Assassin, then you abandoned it when nobody seemed interested. Then switched to Eager. Then to NJAC. Is that not a contradiction?

Your defence was literally "IDGAF about you". You never asked me what I thought was fake about you until I prompted you to.

You never addressed any of farside's concerns. She's been voting you the longest. Why are you ignoring her?

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Oh, more posts while I was typing. Okay so NOW you switched to eagerSnake once again? What the hell?

OMGUS = voting/scumreading someone because they voted/scumread you.
Throwing shade is harder to define. It's a general term for attacks like ad hominem.
Hark vote was because he was pushing a lynch in a bad way. I townread him most of the day, including now.
FancyPants was legit me sheeping texcat's reasoning(sheeping means you have the exact same reason). Is it a crime to agree with people?
I switched off FA because I felt like it. If I had multiple votes, one would have likely been left on FA when I switched to Eager.
As for NJAC, I was of the opinion that a deadline wagon needed to be avoided. Now IDGAF as evidenced by my vote on EagerSnake.
And BTW, IDC about responding to farside rn.

[Harkonnen97]

i dont like the gamma wagon

move back to njac u scumfucks

[Harkonnen97]

texcat would be fine too

[MiniDeathStar]

If you keep changing who you push all the time, your pushes become extremely ineffective. I think the town thing to do is pick someone and apply pressure until they give you reasons not to or until someone else starts looking scummier. But you've been flip-flopping all over the place, Gamma, and it looks incredibly oportunistic of you. Do you have any real fos at all, or are you just trying to save your hide right now by deflecting pressure?

Hi texcat. I think Harkonnen is town because he's grilling people, applying pressure and looking for information. He's also extremely reckless which I think scum are unlikely to be. Gamma doesn't do any of that. He's just quote-mining and ignoring questions until hard-pressed. I really don't like his reaction in his last post either. He isn't explaining what he wants to achieve, he's frustrated he's being called out.

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Sorry, you posted again while I was typing.

I know what OMGUS is. I don't think the "pseudo OMGUS" you pointed out was suspicious in and of itself. I also don't think those ad hominem attacks were really there. The bits you quoted were all like "I don't like this post." But guess what, you've done literally the same thing with your "this this this". If throwing shade is scummy, why are you scummy?

I'm sure you had your reasons to switch suspects. I just don't think they are very substantial reasons. Sheeping and feeling like it makes your own opinion incredibly weak. How is FA going to feel pressure from you if he knows you'll forget about him as soon as texcat says something again? How are you going to push on eagerSnake now that there's no chance for anything other than a "deadline wagon"? Did you ever suspect NJAC or was it all just a utility lynch for you?

Why do you not care about responding to farside? Do you think her reasons for suspecting you are invalid, or do you just not think you can persuade her?

[MiniDeathStar]

Harkonnen, what's wrong with Gamma's wagon? Why do you think he's a bad lynch today?

[NJAC]

Back and reading.

Expect good content in a while...

[Harkonnen97]

because from my short experience with him, id say that everything that he has done so far is completely null for his meta

[Harkonnen97]

also I hard claim Jailkeeper to encourage night WIFOM.

[NJAC]

Do you townread and scumread people based on how much you personally like them?

If not - what does ego have to do with my alignment?

No, I don't townread or scumread people based on that.

Your ego posts are not good content, they don't help to game solve, they're fluff. They're not townish.

[Harkonnen97]

No, I don't townread or scumread people based on that.

They're not townish

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this needs to eat rope.

[MiniDeathStar]

NJAC, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the rest of the town. Who do you think is scummy and who isn't?

Hark, he called your ego posts fluff. He didn't say he dislikes you.

[NJAC]

alban is town, his posts in page 19 are town.

[NJAC]

NJAC, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the rest of the town. Who do you think is scummy and who isn't?

Working on that. I'm catching up.