Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

[Zoronos]

Why would he self hammer if town?

[Zoronos]

I mean, I could obviously hammer him but didn't want to because I figured a counterclaim would provoke some discussion.

[Shadow_step]

He will hammer cause he is scum.
Probably going bonkers in his at.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you mean jailkeeper Zoronos?

[Shadow_step]

Yes obviously ^^
Unvote him !!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Zoronos]

Do you mean jailkeeper Zoronos?

Yes. I was on my phone when I posted the counter claim, and defaulted to using the verbiage of the site I normally play on.
That's why you got two one sentence posts.

[podoboq]

Official Vote Count 2.22

Lynching

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Lil Uzi Vert (4): boring, Prism, implosion, Grendel
Penguin Power (2): Zoronos, nn30
Zoronos (1): PenguinPower
boring (1): Dierfire
nn30 (1): Shadow_step

Not Voting (2): Lil Uzi Vert, Gamma Emerald

V/LA: Grendel

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-30 12:31:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

What site do you normally play on Zoronos? What are your abilities?
Please answer in the same post.

[Zoronos]

I'm not saying where I normally play; I prefer to keep it private. It's a closed community. Sorry.

I pick someone at night, and they can't​ ​perform any​ ​of​ ​their​ ​night​ ​actions,​ ​and​ ​are​ ​protected​ ​from​ ​any​ ​incoming​ ​attacks​.
Actually a little different than the jailer implementation I'm used to; I normally see it as preventing other incoming actions from targeting, but site meta is site meta.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If I'm understanding correctly, is this setup possible? If I'm understanding Asectic correctly, it neturalizes the power our PR roles have.

[nn30]

NN is prob scum

You are 100% off your rocker.

[boring]

UNVOTE:
I'm more inclined to believe Zoronos. But I'll give this some time.

[boring]

Scum!LUV has nothing to lose with a last-minute claim. Scum!Zoronos has no reason to counterclaim so quickly without first testing the waters. If it comes down to who I trust more, Zoronos or LUV, I'm picking Zoronos.

However, the roles are different, and serve different functions. I've only been playing mafia for 4 months. What are the chances that both are telling the truth?

[nn30]

Like nn30 is ob town after that. Unless he is a very good scum player. I'll have to check his games to make sure.

Soooooo... How does someone go from ob town to not?

[Zoronos]

Scum!LUV has nothing to lose with a last-minute claim. Scum!Zoronos has no reason to counterclaim so quickly without first testing the waters. If it comes down to who I trust more, Zoronos or LUV, I'm picking Zoronos.

However, the roles are different, and serve different functions. I've only been playing mafia for 4 months. What are the chances that both are telling the truth?

I've been playing mafia for ~3 years, granted mostly not on these boards. In a game this size, as a setup designer, I would never combine Doc, Cop, and Jailer. That seems crazy to me personally. Even with two 'millers' (our ascetics) as negative utility. But that's just my instincts as a mod kicking in, and I've never modded on this site.
Which is probably best illustrated by my immediate urge to cause bullshit and yell my role. Which maybe was a poor choice on my part but oh well. People can call me bad in post game, I don't care.

btw this would be the place to follow up to my D1 spat with you on "How PR's should play"

[Zoronos]

*call bullshit

[boring]

Scum!LUV has nothing to lose with a last-minute claim. Scum!Zoronos has no reason to counterclaim so quickly without first testing the waters. If it comes down to who I trust more, Zoronos or LUV, I'm picking Zoronos.

However, the roles are different, and serve different functions. I've only been playing mafia for 4 months. What are the chances that both are telling the truth?

I've been playing mafia for ~3 years, granted mostly not on these boards. In a game this size, as a setup designer, I would never combine Doc, Cop, and Jailer. That seems crazy to me personally. Even with two 'millers' (our ascetics) as negative utility. But that's just my instincts as a mod kicking in, and I've never modded on this site.
Which is probably best illustrated by my immediate urge to cause bullshit and yell my role. Which maybe was a poor choice on my part but oh well. People can call me bad in post game, I don't care.

btw this would be the place to follow up to my D1 spat with you on "How PR's should play"

I haven't played with all the different roles. I know it's crazy that we'd have two ascetics, considering how obscure the role is. Also, until the eager/shadow thing, I didn't know it was possible to be just ascetic. I thought it was a modifier. Like ascetic cop or ascetic goon or something. I didn't know just "ascetic town" was a thing. It seemed too random for us to have two. In the interest of not mislynching again, I'm trying to be more open minded about what's possible.

If you really think jailkeeper is a counterclaim to a doc, I guess you had no choice but to claim. I assumed you had to have the same role to counterclaim, otherwise, you're just revealing your role for no reason.

[boring]

Like nn30 is ob town after that. Unless he is a very good scum player. I'll have to check his games to make sure.

Soooooo... How does someone go from ob town to not?

That was over 1500 posts ago. "Obv. town" isn't one of those titles you get to hold onto forever.

[Zoronos]

Waiting to pick up my car from the shop, so let's see if I can be long form cogent on my phone.
I see roles in terms of 'slots'. A jailer stops town from dying, so does a doc. Doc is straight forward, choose player, they don't diem
If a jailer tries that, it has a drawback in that the Townie can't use their own role. But you have the option to play offense and try to jail scum to stop the NK that way. So, tradeoffs. Defense with downside or offense at low percentage.

But it's the same job as a doctor. Make scum not kill at night. So it strikes me as really unlikely the mod would put in largely redundant roles, unless scum is stacked and we have lots of negative utility.
So, unless this is multiball and the mod is taking pity on us and I hit the secondary kill, I doubt LUV's claim
I jailed penguin, in case it wasn't obvious. I was pondering jailing you but I can talk about why I didn't in post.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I'm conflicted because I had town read you up until this point Zoronos and the likelihood of prove of this setup being possible seems to be nonexistent at the moment. I don't know what to think or what to do now honestly due to my lack of inexperience in a situation like this.

Anyway, I protected Dierfire Night 1. He was one of my strongest town reads and I thought scum would be threatened by the observations he made.

[nn30]

So, unless this is multiball and the mod is taking pity on us and I hit the secondary kill, I doubt LUV's claim

Unpack this for me. Hit the secondary kill?

[PenguinPower]

He saying unless we're in a multiball setup since he jailed me, and there was only one NK, I would be a SK.

[Gamma Emerald]

What? Nowhere was an SK mentioned.

[PenguinPower]

What other role would be a secondary kill in multi ball?