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Post **#1318** (isolation **#200**) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:55 pm

@Dier: most of my scumread on you is based on the fact you caem up with the outlandish idea me and PP could be scum together.
Could you explain what exactly made you think that? Because I'm starting to townread you now.

Post **#1323** (isolation **#201**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:13 am

I can see how you might say that, however, it is my personal policy to suspect whomever performed the suspicious action more than the person the action was performed at.

Post **#1325** (isolation **#202**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:14 am

So now that you say that, I'm leaning less scum on you, and more scum on PP. Guess you were right about that unwillingness to follow not meaning anything.

Post **#1326** (isolation **#203**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:14 am

In post 1325, Gamma Emerald wrote:So now that you say that, I'm leaning less scum on you, and more scum on PP. Guess you were right about that unwillingness to follow not meaning anything.

@Dier
UNVOTE:

Post **#1328** (isolation **#204**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:15 am

Wait.
My vote wasn't on Dier was it. It was on boring.
VOTE: boring

Post **#1329** (isolation **#205**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:16 am

In post 1327, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma Emerald
In post 1323, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can see how you might say that, however, it is my personal policy to suspect whomever performed the suspicious action more than the person the action was performed at.

I have listed suspicious actions from both of you with regard to the other.

Okay. Is there a way to rectify this without flips?

Post **#1331** (isolation **#206**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:20 am

Do you have any scumreads outside us and Eager?

Post **#1353** (isolation **#207**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:15 am

In post 1352, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1351, Dierfire wrote:@Zoronos
In post 1334, Zoronos wrote:So, for the sake of clarity Dierfire, your scum reads are Eager, Gamma, and Penguin? You are further of the opinion that Gamma and Penguin's set of disagreements around the competing trains was theater / scum distancing and that they could be scum together?
Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes, that's correct.
I'm not married to the idea that all three are Mafia together, but I have independent reasons to read each as Mafia, associative reasons to read PenguinPower and Gamma Emerald as partners, and no associative reasons to doubt either as partners for eagerSnake (in fact, perhaps some associative reasons to read Gamma Emerald as a likely partner for eagerSnake given the hops on and off the eagerSnake wagon).

So, in short, your theory is that Gamma is Eager's scum partner, and who jumped on the lynch train when he thought it was going to complete for the town cred, then jumped off again when he thought he might be able to save his scum buddy?

Your words say you agree, but your tone says you don't. Which is it?

Post **#1361** (isolation **#208**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:20 pm

Yo
Anyone got any further input for toDay?

Post **#1364** (isolation **#209**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:29 pm

So I never really voted for this reason, but I should address it anyways I feel.
Boring has a point about finding someone's play scummy even though they are likely town. There have been point where I've said "dude that's scummy" to people I townread.

Post **#1367** (isolation **#210**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:44 pm

In post 1365, boring wrote:
In post 1364, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I never really voted for this reason, but I should address it anyways I feel.
Boring has a point about finding someone's play scummy even though they are likely town. There have been point where I've said "dude that's scummy" to people I townread.

I've forgotten. Why are you voting me, again?

Because your read on Shadow is faulty and I don't like your turnaround on Eager.
Basically everyone else's reason.

Post **#1369** (isolation **#211**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:51 pm

UNVOTE:
Now that I think about it, I don't agree on that second part.
What the hell is up with me right now.

Post **#1371** (isolation **#212**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:59 pm

Why do you think I unvoted?

Post **#1373** (isolation **#213**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:02 pm

In post 1372, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think he's disagreeing with himself, not boring.

Exactly.

Post **#1376** (isolation **#214**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:06 pm

In post 1375, nn30 wrote:@Boring - still not buying it.

If you were conflicted about your read on Eager, why the hell was he your second to top town read?

Actually, I think that was my concern with her Eager read.
If I were you, I would have had him as like fifth-highest townread.

Post **#1378** (isolation **#215**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:11 pm

"If I were you" being directed at boring ofc

Post **#1393** (isolation **#216**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:44 pm

In post 1390, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1389, nn30 wrote:
In post 1385, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:To me it still reads like Shadow made look premeditated. The timing is too convenient for me.

Uhh... Please clarify what exactly you mean by these two sentences. I'm not getting it.

I'm saying that Shadow made it look like he intended to counterclaim Snake and that when he did counterclaim, it conveniently was at time where there were some serious discussion and debate going on about the wagons on Gamma and Penguin.

Wasn't it stated by some people that the claim was suspected as a distraction?
PP is getting townier again.

Post **#1396** (isolation **#217**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:51 pm

In post 1395, Dierfire wrote:@Lil Uzi Vert
In post 1390, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm saying that Shadow made it look like he intended to counterclaim Snake and that when he did counterclaim, it conveniently was at time where there were some serious discussion and debate going on about the wagons on Gamma and Penguin.

I think that it's clear that Shadow_step was setting up to counter the claim from early in the game. I'm not certain why you find that suspicious. Why would Shadow_step, as Mafia, feel the need to start setting up to dispute the claim so early? Usually it is not difficult to dispose of an Ascetic role (by NK or by lynch).
I also don't think that Shadow_step needed to claim in order to create a distraction. The move that you describe would be one with low reward and high risk.

You were scumreading both me and Penguin.
Me and Penguin were the leading wagons at the time.
Coincidence...?

Post **#1398** (isolation **#218**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:56 pm

People were saying the claim could be a distraction from the main wagons.
Right now I'm thinking Dier and Penguin are both Town.

Post **#1401** (isolation **#219**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:02 pm

In post 1399, Dierfire wrote:If PenguinPower were Town, and you were Town, and Shadow_step were Mafia, then Shadow_step would have very little need to distract from the competing wagons.
Or are you saying that you're reading Shadow_step as Town because you're reading PenguinPower as Town?

But what if he tried to frame us?

Post **#1404** (isolation **#220**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:12 pm

Actually, I'm sold.
VOTE: Shadow_Step

Post **#1406** (isolation **#221**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:24 pm

But as LUV said, he could have claimed to make it look like one of us was one of his partners.

Post **#1415** (isolation **#222**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:37 pm

In post 1412, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma Emerald
In post 1406, Gamma Emerald wrote:But as LUV said, he could have claimed to make it look like one of us was one of his partners.

Why set you up to be lynched later when he had a reasonable shot of lynching you today?

Because there were 2 wagons. Once one flips Town, the other gets implicated and MLed. That 2 town for 1 scum, maybe not even that.

Post **#1418** (isolation **#223**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:48 pm

In post 1417, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma Emerald
I'm not understanding this line at all.
The claim from Shadow_step decreased the sizes of the wagons on you and PenguinPower.
Your theory is that Shadow_step made this claim in order to look as though he were distracting from your wagons and thereby get you lynched (along with him).
I don't think that this makes sense, because Shadow_step had no need to sacrifice himself; he could have simply voted for one of the wagons and tried to push it to completion (potentially with assistance from other Mafia players). This has every probability of giving one lynch without cost. He could then push the other on some later day, leaving alive the Town players who looked likely to cooperate so as to ensure wagon viability. These maneuvers would be more reliable than banking on us drawing weird associations and less risky than putting a claim out there.
It's extraordinarily far-fetched to think that the focus of the claim by Shadow_step was any player other than eagerSnake.

Wait. Who's pushing the "both Shadow and Eager cannot be dual Town ascetics" again? I believe boring is one of them.

Post **#1422** (isolation **#224**) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:57 pm

In post 1421, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma Emerald
Yes, boring was of the opinion that the game was unlikely to contain two Town Ascetic roles (quote below). What is your interpretation of that?
In post 1165, boring wrote:I think we've had quite enough role claims for Day 1, but suffice it to say that I find it very, very unlikely that we have two ascetics.

I interpret that as a planned bus.

Post **#1461** (isolation **#225**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:59 pm

In post 1452, boring wrote:
In post 1437, Zoronos wrote:@Boring - You didn't answer the question I posed last night. The short version was "Who is your best non-Eager scum read, if you want you can assume Eager is scum for the sake of this exercise."

In post 1444, MariaR wrote:Hm I see your point but I don't see any other better lynches then LUV and that clearly isn't happening

I would like to lynch eager today, but if it's absolutely not going to happen, I'd be willing to settle for LUV. He's the most probable scum when I look outside the CC-related wagons. By that, I mean it seems like regardless of eager's flip, LUV could be scum. I admit that part of my reasoning is that he keeps trying to push S_s, which is making zero sense to me. That, and his eagerness to accept bizarre theories just to keep the S_s suspicions going.

My fault buddy.

Post **#1462** (isolation **#226**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:00 pm

Yeah, Eager's no lynch request looks bad.
VOTE: Eager

Post **#1465** (isolation **#227**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:09 pm

In post 1464, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 1462, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah, Eager's no lynch request looks bad.
VOTE: Eager

I didn't even vote no lynch I'm just fielding it as an idea because we have 2 claimed ascetics which means pr's have a better idea of who to target

I'm certain PRs will have an even better idea with a flip.

Post **#1471** (isolation **#228**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:26 pm

Cuz I forgot.
L-1

Post **#1484** (isolation **#229**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:42 pm

In post 1477, Shadow_step wrote:LUV is unlikely to be scum, I know his play is terrible but that's more likely to come from VI. Scum have day chat.
Best course of action would be to bus eager.
I still think it's PP/GE/Eager.
Eager attacked boring but not PP(might be wrong on this have to cross check) for starughtaway jumping in his wagon after my CC.

You are dense if you think scum would be that obvious.

Post **#1486** (isolation **#230**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:50 pm

In post 1472, eagerSnake wrote:Oh yeah, you forgot yeah right

Dude, VC is right there, even though I forgot it's really f'in obvious.

Post **#1489** (isolation **#231**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:58 pm

In post 1487, boring wrote:As far as who is more likely to come up with (and follow) crazy theories, I think it's pretty individual. Some people have wild imaginations and are prone to conspiracy. Some people aren't. I can see such a person coming up with something crazy as town or scum (perhaps more likely as town, but how would they know it's crazy as scum if they think it's perfectly sane when they're town). I think scum (or insanely conf.biased town) is more likely to pretend to buy into someone else's crazy theory hoping it'll stick.

What I get from this is you scumread LUV for following my moon logic?

Post **#1495** (isolation **#232**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:19 pm

In post 1493, eagerSnake wrote:Claim: town ascetic

Losing me is better than losing a vanilla townie

Wait so you claim vanilla? OK.

Post **#1501** (isolation **#233**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:41 pm

Your comments make me wish to sway away, but my mind says NO.

Post **#1507** (isolation **#234**) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:53 pm

Reads, Mr. Eager!

Post **#1520** (isolation **#235**) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:36 am

GIVE YOUR READS

Post **#1522** (isolation **#236**) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:08 am

Do it anyways.

Post **#1526** (isolation **#237**) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:18 am

I have some good reasons me and Eager can't be scum, but I'll wait until tomorrow.

Post **#1527** (isolation **#238**) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:19 am

In post 1526, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have some good reasons me and Eager can't be scum together, but I'll wait until tomorrow.

EBWOP HOLY FUCK

Post **#1538** (isolation **#239**) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:00 am

LOL mod popped in without posting flip.

Post **#1553** (isolation **#240**) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:17 pm

I'd like an explanation of why people are scumreading implosion.

Post **#1560** (isolation **#241**) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:24 pm

So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?

Post **#1573** (isolation **#242**) » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 1568, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1560, Gamma Emerald wrote:So other than Eager, Maria and implosion, who believed there could be 2 town ascetics?

LUV

Thank you, that leads into my plan for today. I think the scum team spread out amongst the three wagons/opinions. And I still feel implosion is town, so I'm going to
VOTE: LUV

Post **#1617** (isolation **#243**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:40 pm

Hm. Zoronos presents an interesting case. Want to see PP's response as soon as possible.

Post **#1622** (isolation **#244**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:44 pm

Well boring kinda did the same thing, though I feel she did more to explain it. I do agree it is odd PP decided to cut and run.
Actually that's pretty telling.
VOTE: PenguinPower
This is better than my LUV vote for now, but I am still down for an LUV lynch.

Post **#1625** (isolation **#245**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:05 pm

Actually nah looking at PP's ISO he looks pretty town in his reaction to my theory.
VOTE: LUV

Post **#1628** (isolation **#246**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:30 pm

PP was like "this is interesting" and "ew no" to some of the things I proposed. Could be scum, but feels more town. Makes me think there's a low chance of Shadow and PP being scum together.

Post **#1630** (isolation **#247**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:51 pm

Because if it was planned between PP and Shadow, that reaction would have probably not looked as genuine.

Post **#1632** (isolation **#248**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:06 pm

In post 1631, Zoronos wrote:Sure... but why Shadowed? Do you think he's scum?
I have been reasonably confident in my town read there...
I'm trying to figure out what you're saying and I'm clearly missing a beat somewhere.

If one flips scum, the other is likely town.

Post **#1635** (isolation **#249**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:37 pm

I'm voting you because I suspect there is scum on each wagon/scum of each opinion. I think you could be the scum of the Shadow wagon. And the plan is to discuss who could be scum on the boring/Eager/Shadow wagons.

Post **#1637** (isolation **#250**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:54 pm

Nah I think Prism is solid town. PP is a townread but if you can point out how his reaction to my idea was not genuine I'll definitely join you there.

Post **#1642** (isolation **#251**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:13 pm

In post 1639, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1637, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah I think Prism is solid town. PP is a townread but if you can point out how his reaction to my idea was not genuine I'll definitely join you there.

Why is PP town?!?
Explain this to me like I'm five, because if you are super sure, then I am maybe missing something.

He is likely town because his reaction to my theory was "that's interesting". Instantly believing me would have been a scumtell, trying to shut me up may have done so too.

Post **#1645** (isolation **#252**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:39 pm

Whatever you're obviously not going to get it.

Post **#1646** (isolation **#253**) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:39 pm

That was @Zoronos.

Post **#1668** (isolation **#254**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:30 am

We're in serious mode right now. As much as a wagon on me isn't that much of a problem, I'd prefer it be people with actual grievances and not people throwing hissy fits.
TL;DR: Zoronos, unvote me.

Post **#1669** (isolation **#255**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:32 am

Also, I think me putting up a promise of a case of why me and Eager can't be buddies pretty much clears me now that he flipped town.

Post **#1672** (isolation **#256**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:53 am

Wait. Whoever said PP didn't say my theory was interesting was right; that was in response to nn30. He called my theory "icky". Not sure what this means, but I feel this could be easily faked as scum. Revoking my PP townread.

Post **#1673** (isolation **#257**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:53 am

In post 1387, PenguinPower wrote:Oooh...that's an interesting variation on current events. Unlikely, but interesting nonetheless.

p-edit

Even more interesting. Thanks, LUV.

This was responding to:

In post 1383, nn30 wrote:Moon logic here. This is pure speculation. Please don't take this as super serious - I'm just throwing it out there.

Shadow's CC, to most people's reading, was premeditated.

What if Boring's "scum read list" intentionally had Shadow as her top town read so that she could use it as justification for jumping on Snake?

Scum have day chat - if SS's claim was premeditated, he could have warned his scum buddies to set up bread crumbs they could point back to.

Post **#1680** (isolation **#258**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:12 am

In post 1677, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1651, implosion wrote:@dierfire: last think I see you say about boring is that you've read up on her but don't find anything really alignment indicative. What do you think of her after the eager+maria townflips, and/or why don't you agree with my points on her?

@LUV: can you elaborate on why you disagree with the case on boring? Can you elaborate on your null-scum read on prism, and on your scumread of penguin (is it just lingering things from long ago, or is it more strongly based on his recent posting)?

You can find thoughts on boring when she had some serious heat on her are in #1048 and #1347. For current thoughts you will have to get back to me, still trying to understand why she's still currently voting for me.

As for Prism, I reread his ISO and something about his reads feel fake to me. I'm not sure if that's correct way to put it but basically the stances he is taking on everyone seem very safe. It feels like he can easily fall back on them or conveniently change them at a moments notice with little to no scrutiny.

My read on Penguin is still the same from #522. It has grown some with how quiet he's been and Gamma's insistence on basing his read on him on a reaction that could be easily faked.

I changed that after looking at the context of his ISO.

Post **#1698** (isolation **#259**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:00 pm

In post 1696, boring wrote:
In post 1671, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1616, Zoronos wrote:Looking at the lynch yesterday, he provided no arguments for why Eager specifically was scum in the pair, didn't make any strong efforts to decide between the two competing claims, and didn't seem to examine the alternative trains. He just parked and went effectively afk other than an occasional 'this needs rope' style comment.

That to me suggests scum happy to take an easy lynch. He doesn't make an effort to sort out the alignments of all three players being discussed (boring, Eager, SS) because he doesn't care.

No, I cared. I just legit thought that Eager was scum. You should probably put your vote back on me with how strongly you think I'm scum.

VOTE: Gamma

Unlike you, this vote is because I think he's scum.

In post 1688, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1685, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Never said you were my strongest scum read and I'm not refraining from anything. I'm taking my time and reevualting.

I was one of two of your scumreads in 522 which haven't changed, and I've only grown since then. According to you.

You seem to like to stay in an unvote state...it's kind of nice not to take a stance on anything, right? Gotta keep those options open until you can hammer town.

Actually, while looking back at vote counts at yours, Zoronos was in an unvote state in every. single. one. He has lots to say, but not much to do.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zoronos

Ewww..

What is this about?

Post **#1701** (isolation **#260**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:34 pm

I don't get how those votes are scummy.

Post **#1711** (isolation **#261**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:11 pm

In post 1704, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1702, boring wrote:He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.

My reasons for Gamma were expressed in D1. I hadn't taken a look at Vote Counts until responding to LUV.

Next.

This is actually what I was going to say. However the swift unvote is kinda stupid. I had a wagon on me, if you thought I was scum you should have stayed on my wagon.

Post **#1715** (isolation **#262**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:20 pm

Okay that's making me uncomfortable. Not "I'll totally claim intent", "I have no problem hammering".
So you seem to not want to push my wagon. Sure, I can totally buy that as town play.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Post **#1720** (isolation **#263**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:42 pm

I changed my mind on PP:
1) The "Shadow intended to frame me and PP" idea is pretty illogical
2) This dude just said he's on my wagon pretty much but he'll be pushing someone else. Sounds scum motivated to me.

Post **#1724** (isolation **#264**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:49 pm

You never said "end of the day". You said "I would hammer if it got to that point", meaning whenever I reached the point to be hammered.

Post **#1726** (isolation **#265**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:51 pm

In post 1725, PenguinPower wrote:Ah, ok. That's how you took it. I should have been more specific.

Can you please restate it?

Post **#1731** (isolation **#266**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:58 pm

I'm not sure on boring, but she feels scummy rn.

Post **#1735** (isolation **#267**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:05 pm

Looking back at boring, she seems to have done a lot of mudslinging early Day 1(before Shadow's claim).
As for Grendel and Zoronos, those are others I need to reconsider. I've actually been fostering a Grendel scumread because of the fact I can't find anything to townread him on that's non-meta. I'm hoping things will be easier to sort with a flip.

Post **#1736** (isolation **#268**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:10 pm

Okay nonononono this will not do. A lot of Grendel's posts in the later art of Day 1 seem to be stalling. This feels like someone being coached in day chat. I understand he has school stuff going on but it's so widespread I can't handwave it.

Post **#1738** (isolation **#269**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:18 pm

I'm thinking I know what Grendel is talking about, and I don't have anything to say about that right now. So you may as well say it because I don't think you'll get anything out of me by being vague.

Post **#1742** (isolation **#270**) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:30 pm

In post 1741, Grendel wrote:
Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking I know what Grendel is talking about, and I don't have anything to say about that right now. So you may as well say it because I don't think you'll get anything out of me by being vague.

If you know what I'm talking about then why do you need me to spell it out for you?

If I have to go to that extent then I'm voting you. So give me a guess.

Something about the game we were in that just ended. I don't know what you could have to say about that right now, and I personally feel there's not much that could matter.

Post **#1759** (isolation **#271**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:01 am

In post 1756, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma Emerald
In post 1669, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, I think me putting up a promise of a case of why me and Eager can't be buddies pretty much clears me now that he flipped town.

That's an interesting thing to say. How so?

Why would I put up a defense on allegations of me and Eager being on a scum team if I was scum and knew he was town? I'd let the matter slide.

Post **#1764** (isolation **#272**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:58 am

In post 1762, Dierfire wrote:@Gamma Emerald
In post 1759, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would I put up a defense on allegations of me and Eager being on a scum team if I was scum and knew he was town? I'd let the matter slide.

Ha ha, but you didn't put up a defense! You just promised that one would be forthcoming after the flip (and the flip obviated the need for the defense).

I said "I have evidence that me and Eager are not scumbuddies" and he flipped town. Why the fuck would I say that as scum? I'd just be like "okay I know I'm safe from this point so just forget about it". It indicates I did not know his alignment before the flip, clearing me.

Post **#1765** (isolation **#273**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:00 am

In post 1761, boring wrote:
In post 1735, Gamma Emerald wrote:I've actually been fostering a Grendel scumread because of the fact I can't find anything to townread him on that's non-meta. I'm hoping things will be easier to sort with a flip.

Can you be more specific?

My belief is that if it's really hard to find evidence in favor of something that something is likely not true. I'd been having trouble finding something to justify a Grendel townread.

Post **#1766** (isolation **#274**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:12 pm

As for Zoronos, he did a decent amount of sorting without resorting to a vote. He also asked a lot of questions. He's a townread.

Post **#1770** (isolation **#275**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:46 pm

Dude, just because I have agreed with you doesn't mean I townread you. And as I said, me pre-defending myself on ties to Eager clears me.
Also, I didn't think you were a lurksack last time. What is strange is the fact you expect me to use your past behavior as scum as an indicator when you have told me before you don't have a unifying style as scum.
And I was NOT chainsawing Zoronos.

Post **#1772** (isolation **#276**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:49 pm

What's so funny?

Post **#1775** (isolation **#277**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:59 pm

I think Grendel is being a bit unfair as the only way I caught him last time was by copping him. I never even though he was a lurker that game, because he kept posting steadily.

Post **#1778** (isolation **#278**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:16 pm

Ah so the main thing is the meta. As I said, I didn't really make any connections with your scum play as you told me you didn't have a reliable scum meta.
I said I "sheeped" you because your case was close to mine.

Post **#1780** (isolation **#279**) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:22 pm

Okay I had a townread on Grendel. I can't remember every damn read I post okay?
And thanks for quoting that because now I don't have to do so to say this: the only meta I used was NPBR because, of course, Grendel claims to not have a unifying scum strategy.

Post **#1802** (isolation **#280**) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:21 pm

I can forget a read because there's a lot of stuff to take in; a current read can displace some of my memories of a past read.

Post **#1803** (isolation **#281**) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:22 pm

In post 1801, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1798, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Woah, forgot about this game. I read up and this what I have so far.

I'm a little disturbed by Penguin's push on Zoro. It reads as if he's not been reading what Zoro been asking and thinking. Just skimming. Zoro has been sorting like a mad man and his conclusions and observations have been worth the read so far.

I also don't forget how you can forget a read on someone. This is the only thing that has pinged me about Gamma really. I find it hard to believe and the only explanation that seems to make sense is that he's faking his reads. The question then becomes, is this some sort of next level strategy to catch scum or is he scum feeling pressured to put up content?

So which one are you going to vote?

Yeah sure make that comment it's not like you're close to getting lynched

Post **#1804** (isolation **#282**) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:29 pm

In post 1071, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1070, eagerSnake wrote:Also calling it 'scum theater' implies that there is 2 scum involved, which in this scenario would mean S_S and I are performing scum theater. Basically setting herself up to lynch him tomorrow when I flip

WHAT
You could have phrased that better.

BTW, this was going to be my proof that me and Eager weren't buddies. Why the hell wouldn't I state this in the scum chat? I decided to quote this because boring raised the concern of my promising a defense on allegations of being buddies with Eager being a fake clear.

Post **#1818** (isolation **#283**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:29 am

In post 1526, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have some good reasons me and Eager can't be scum, but I'll wait until tomorrow.

I was promising a defense on why me and Eager could not be partners.

In post 1804, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1071, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1070, eagerSnake wrote:Also calling it 'scum theater' implies that there is 2 scum involved, which in this scenario would mean S_S and I are performing scum theater. Basically setting herself up to lynch him tomorrow when I flip

WHAT
You could have phrased that better.

BTW, this was going to be my proof that me and Eager weren't buddies. Why the hell wouldn't I state this in the scum chat? I decided to quote this because boring raised the concern of my promising a defense on allegations of being buddies with Eager being a fake clear.

And this was going to be my proof.

Post **#1824** (isolation **#284**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:46 am

Hrm
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
OPPORTUNISTIC VOTE

Post **#1828** (isolation **#285**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:32 pm

I'm voting him because
1) I find him scummy
2) He's my counterwagon

Post **#1831** (isolation **#286**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 1829, boring wrote:
In post 1828, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm voting him because
1) I find him scummy
2) He's my counterwagon

I thought you were just town reading him, and aren't you scum-reading me? Someone being your counterwagon is a terrible reason to vote them.

I am scumreading you, but I'm also scumreading him.

Post **#1832** (isolation **#287**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:02 pm

And I just came off another scumread for that vote.

Post **#1833** (isolation **#288**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:05 pm

Also, it seems I'm catching a lot of flack for forgetting who I townread. How is being forgetful scummy? I would think it's towny to forget, as scum need to keep a proper facade. I've forgotten what I've said in the past multiple times. Do you seriously think I would slip up so many times as scum?

Post **#1835** (isolation **#289**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:20 pm

But I've done it multiple times. Do you think I would be so bad as scum to screw up so much? Do you think I wouldn't have been told in daychat what to say?

Post **#1838** (isolation **#290**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:06 pm

Because daychat exists; I would have stopped fucking up due to warnings from my teammates if I was scum. The legit ONLY way I could be mafia at this point was if I was a Traitor, which I am not.

Post **#1840** (isolation **#291**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:15 pm

If I was a traitor, I would have likely buddied the fuck out of someone to paint them as mafia. I haven't buddied anyone.
Also:
LUV, instead of continuing to argue his original point, decided to cede to my Traitor statement.
Looks like scum trying to play it safe on the push.

Post **#1841** (isolation **#292**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:20 pm

Actually looking back I buddied boring a bit at the start of the game.

Post **#1844** (isolation **#293**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:25 pm

However, that buddying probably wouldn't incriminate boring upon my flip IF I was mafia.

Post **#1846** (isolation **#294**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:49 pm

WTF? "sold but still in a buying mood"?

Post **#1851** (isolation **#295**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:38 pm

I'd vote him again if the wagon had one more person. He's a stronger scumread than LUV but I'm doing what I can to avoid being forced to claim under an intent statement.

Post **#1855** (isolation **#296**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:51 pm

Yo Grendel: formatting requires BBCode here.

Post **#1859** (isolation **#297**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:20 pm

Yes Desperation Day is my only completed game.

Post **#1875** (isolation **#298**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:14 pm

@PP: How can you say my play is NAI when you say you saw me do it as town?

Post **#1877** (isolation **#299**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:16 pm

In post 1876, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1873, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1872, Grendel wrote:The trouble with your D1 Gamma case is that Gamma always plays in that manner. You're town reading him for reasons I find non-AI as far as Gamma goes.

I do, begrudgingly, have to support this. He was almost mislynched in a newbie game I was obvscum in because he just wears it on his sleeve.

You were voting Gamma quite recently, and never really posted much to say your read had flipped, so why is this a begrudging agreement?
Also, this is a really odd phrasing if he was town at the time, since Grendel is arguing it makes him scum now.

The second line is exactly my point: your words directly conflict with Grendel's words, PP.

Post **#1879** (isolation **#300**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:18 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68299
My only completed scum game on this site. Take a look.

Post **#1881** (isolation **#301**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:27 pm

I want you to compare my town play to my scum play. Also, look at the scum PT.

Post **#1883** (isolation **#302**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:36 pm

My WHAT? I want you to see my way I play as scum and check if it's the play I'm doing here.

Post **#1885** (isolation **#303**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:41 pm

Like, seriously Penguin, how is telling you to read my scum topic in a finished game violating ANY rules?

Post **#1889** (isolation **#304**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:45 pm

In post 1887, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1883, Gamma Emerald wrote:My WHAT? I want you to see my way I play as scum and check if it's the play I'm doing here.

Post 55 in the Scum PT that you linked.

Oh THAT.
LOL it stayed in the PT.

Post **#1891** (isolation **#305**) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:47 pm

In post 1888, boring wrote:Gamma. You're defending yourself very, very poorly. Your defences are nonsensical.

@Grendel - has he ever done this as town that you know of? He didn't try these stunts when he was town with me.

No I definitely remember doing something similar in that game.

Post **#1903** (isolation **#306**) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:59 pm

With PenguinPower technically having already claimed intent, I don't see any reason not to claim at this point.
I'm a Town Cop with a Night 1 Town result on Implosion.

Post **#1910** (isolation **#307**) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:50 pm

VOTE: PenguinPower

Post **#1930** (isolation **#308**) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:36 pm

In post 1929, nn30 wrote:@Gamma - please explain why you chose to investigate Implosion over other people.

I actually wrote this down to decide who to use my ability on.

Who to cop in Mini 1838.
Night 1
Thoughts on me + Eager(anyone saying me and Eager were likely scum together is clear)
Clear: Shadow, Prism,
Not clear: Zoronos, nn30
Opinions on ascetics
Eager is wrong: Shadow
Both are right: Maria, Eager, implosion
Shadow is wrong: LUV, nn30
I’ll cop implosion because he was the strongest fighter for the two ascetics idea

Post **#1937** (isolation **#309**) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:59 pm

In post 1935, boring wrote:
In post 1930, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1929, nn30 wrote:@Gamma - please explain why you chose to investigate Implosion over other people.

I actually wrote this down to decide who to use my ability on.
Who to cop in Mini 1838.
Night 1
Thoughts on me + Eager(anyone saying me and Eager were likely scum together is clear)
Clear: Shadow, Prism,
Not clear: Zoronos, nn30
Opinions on ascetics
Eager is wrong: Shadow
Both are right: Maria, Eager, implosion
Shadow is wrong: LUV, nn30
I’ll cop implosion because he was the strongest fighter for the two ascetics idea

Why'd you leave me, PP, Grendel, and Dierfire out of your reasoning, by the way?

Because I decided he was a good cop usage based on that fact of his way he argued his point alone. And I was right: I have prevented a possible mislynch by choosing him.

Post **#1946** (isolation **#310**) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:20 pm

I'm definitely down to lynch LUV, but I do scumread PP more right now. I'm with nn30 in that if Prism quotes some of the things he is building his case on LUV on I'll be likely to join.

Post **#1952** (isolation **#311**) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:12 pm

I definitely see what Prism is talking about now.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Post **#2026** (isolation **#312**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:17 am

In post 1977, PenguinPower wrote:Point out where I get aggressive in my scum games where I'm not a replacement. That's unfamiliar to me.

I lol'ed.

Post **#2027** (isolation **#313**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:21 am

In post 1985, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Hm, Shadow seemed like he had more to say about Gamma's claim. Want to hear more from him.

Why am I being scum read again? Anyone actually buy the cases boring and Prism are presenting?

Yup and yup.

Post **#2028** (isolation **#314**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:24 am

In post 1998, nn30 wrote:
In post 1952, Gamma Emerald wrote:I definitely see what Prism is talking about now.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

What specifically are you referring to?

The inconsistency on his Prism read.

Post **#2031** (isolation **#315**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:44 am

It was something to do with post 522. Ask him because I can't remember the other post he referred to. The main point is your read on Prism looked fabricated.

Post **#2033** (isolation **#316**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:33 am

Or, ya know, an ascetic. Not saying I suspect you, but we've talked about this Shadow.

Post **#2036** (isolation **#317**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:54 am

I got Town.

Post **#2048** (isolation **#318**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:04 pm

In post 2041, boring wrote:
In post 2039, Zoronos wrote:re: LUV
as I said earlier today, my boring suspicion remains moderate to high, so I'm vaguely uncomfortable with any train of which she is the voice.
Which I guess is a long way of saying, help me work through my boring read.
My boring read is stronger than my 'dumpster a person who is noncontributory / nonsensical' stance at the moment, so I'm not super comfortable swinging that direction. I get where you're coming from, but my hackles are too far up at Boring at the moment.

How about this: Help me lynch LUV. Then Day 3, you and I (and implosion too, if that's what we're into) can go into couples counseling together.

Hm. I don't like the look of this.

In post 2046, nn30 wrote:
In post 2029, boring wrote:
In post 2008, nn30 wrote:Town would be attempting to work with me and get me on their side. Because. Ya know. We need to work together to find scum.
In post 2019, implosion wrote:Scum would be attempting to work with you and get on your side. Because. Ya know. They need to not die to win the game.
You guys are doing that thing again where you're projecting based on personality. Some people manipulate through cooperation, others, through hissy fits (AtE). Unless you guys know how Penguin plays, you have no way of knowing whether these weird tantrums are AI/NAI. Better to look at motivation.

Which brings us to why meta is important.
In post 2010, Zoronos wrote:I think we're in meta land again kinda.
It helps you sort between personality and pathology. It's easy to say that meta is crap when you don't know any of the players (or you want them to not meta-read you), but it has its value.

What's the motivation for PP calling me a liar?

I don't really see why that is motivated by one alignment over another.

Post **#2051** (isolation **#319**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:10 pm

dat sneaky pagetop tho

Post **#2057** (isolation **#320**) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:54 pm

It looks like he is attacking the argument, but the way it is worded looks like it's trying to discredit.

Post **#2071** (isolation **#321**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:28 am

In post 2062, nn30 wrote:
In post 1972, PenguinPower wrote:This is funny. Sorry, just want to call this one out for endgame (and as a blatant lie). None of my scum games have been anywhere close to this one. Feel free to meta me, anyone.

It was this, actually. Calling me a liar is what moved my weak scum read to a strong one. The only reason for me to lie would be if I were scum. Calling me a liar is implying that Penguin scum reads me. Scum reading me flies in the face of what everyone else in this town, except for Shadow_Step, has done to this point in the game. Either Penguin is town and not paying attention, or this was a scum slip.

What the fuck?
Why would scum submit an unpopular opinion?

Post **#2077** (isolation **#322**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:31 am

@PenguinPower - do you scumread nn30 because of his misconstruation? Simplest we can go.

Post **#2084** (isolation **#323**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:04 am

I don't think Penguin's actions surrounding his meta are scummy.

Post **#2103** (isolation **#324**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:03 pm

Do you mean jailkeeper Zoronos?

Post **#2105** (isolation **#325**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:11 pm

UNVOTE:

Post **#2108** (isolation **#326**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:42 pm

What site do you normally play on Zoronos? What are your abilities?
Please answer in the same post.

Post **#2123** (isolation **#327**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:47 pm

What? Nowhere was an SK mentioned.

Post **#2125** (isolation **#328**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Um, a secondary scum faction?

Post **#2131** (isolation **#329**) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:08 pm

I'm having a hard time deciding which one I believe more.

Post **#2141** (isolation **#330**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:36 pm

I'm going to run the numbers on lynching inside and outside the protective roles soon.

Post **#2144** (isolation **#331**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:52 pm

So if we believe that one of the protectives is lying, lynching inside gives a flat 50/50 chance of lynching scum or a PR.
However, If both are telling the truth, lynching outside gives a 3/7 chance of lynching scum/town, with the town likely being vanilla(this 7 player grouping is Dier, Grendel, PP, Prism, boring, Shadow, nn30).
Eliminating the likely town Shadow and Dier(because as much as I fought him on his reads I don't really scumread him currently) gives very good chances of lynching scum if we lynch outside of protectives.
UNVOTE:
I suggest we leave the protectives and have them both protect me.

Post **#2145** (isolation **#332**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:55 pm

I'm not sold on both being town though; this is a measure to avoid screwing anything over. And I can determine which one is real even if neither dies if both pledge to use their powers on me.

Post **#2149** (isolation **#333**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:09 pm

Wait, Prism presents a good point.

Post **#2152** (isolation **#334**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:13 pm

So Zoronos targeted PP and LUV targeted Dier...
@Zoronos: what were you going for?
PEdit nevermind.

Post **#2154** (isolation **#335**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:23 pm

PP was actually a target of heat yesterday.

Post **#2156** (isolation **#336**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:35 pm

Hm...
At this point out of the two I'm more inclined to believe Zoronos because Doc is such a basic role that it's really easy to fakeclaim for rolefishing, and Zoronos has utility outside of protection which is a plus.
I'm having trouble deciding here and would prefer to have everyone's input.

Post **#2158** (isolation **#337**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:40 pm

I'd still like Grendel and Dierfire's thoughts.

Post **#2161** (isolation **#338**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:02 pm

Noooo 2159 is actually quite clear.

Post **#2163** (isolation **#339**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:23 pm

Zornos has no motivation to cc as scum. If he was scum with PP/boring he would have let his partner claim and if he was not then it was best to let the lynch slide onto PP/boring.

Post **#2165** (isolation **#340**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:44 pm

Hm. What helped?

Post **#2168** (isolation **#341**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:24 pm

In post 2167, boring wrote:
In post 2165, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hm. What helped?

Was this directed at me? What helped what?

You agreed with me after my explanation. What was the problem in the first place?

Post **#2170** (isolation **#342**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:54 pm

The thing is, I rephrased it in a way that doesn't directly implicate boring, and then she agreed.

Post **#2176** (isolation **#343**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:28 pm

In post 2173, nn30 wrote:@Gamma - when did Dier become a town read and why?

When I stopped believing me and PP weren't behaving like buddies. However, I've never admitted this yet because of the implications it would cause.
What changed things was me claiming. Before, I felt I had to keep the pressure on as me saying he had a point was bad. Now that I've claimed, I can admit to understanding his logic without implicating myself.
I had been townreading him before the claim, but I didn't say so because I would have had to explain that I understood him. And I haven't said so until now because I was never asked.
Hopefully this is clear. If you have question just ask.

Post **#2179** (isolation **#344**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:00 pm

Anything to say for yourself LUV?

Post **#2183** (isolation **#345**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:25 pm

OK
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
That facepalm seals it.

Post **#2186** (isolation **#346**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:36 pm

In post 2184, Zoronos wrote:Really, the facepalm is what sold you?

Yes. Why facepalm in reaction to evidence being presented if you are innocent? It indicates he is giving up.

Post **#2188** (isolation **#347**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:44 pm

Okay he's not giving up. I still feel he is scum it's just the facepalm is NAI.

Post **#2190** (isolation **#348**) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:35 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67979
For nn30.

Post **#3395** (isolation **#349**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:28 pm

Post **#3401** (isolation **#350**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:40 pm

nn30, you looked beyond your assumptions and saw the truth behind the interactions you saw. I look forward to seeing you play in the future.
Feel free to put the above line in your signature if you like, nn30.

Post **#3404** (isolation **#351**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:50 pm

A lot of people don't like my cop choice. I say it was good, as he was a lynch target that day and no one really cared to defend him.
The Day 3 massclaim was a shitty decision.

Post **#3413** (isolation **#352**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:34 pm

also, YOU ASSHOLES FUCKING TAKE FOREVEEEEEEEEERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post **#3419** (isolation **#353**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:53 pm

You can ask for redactions you know.

Post **#3425** (isolation **#354**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:59 pm

LOL doublepost

Post **#3435** (isolation **#355**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:59 pm

I'm glad someone appreciates my choice. Many people in the dead thread were ragging on me about it. I felt he was significantly scummy to warrant a check, and it served the town well.

Post **#3438** (isolation **#356**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:23 pm

I just sigged Prism's commentson my play.

Post **#3443** (isolation **#357**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:38 pm

In post 2, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This is my second game as scum, currently playing my first game as scum so I still have no idea how to play this faction.

That would be bad if all your other games finished before then. I've made that mistake before.

Post **#3444** (isolation **#358**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:42 pm

In post 23, boring wrote:I was a little shocked no one said anything either. But meh, there are a lot of egos in this game. Big egos are vulnerable to buddying.

I'd like to ride my "Gamma's protector" act a little further. He really is lynchbait, but he's got an uncanny knack for making it to MYLO/LYLO. So I can either bitch about his wagon and look credible when he flips. or have a buddy when things get tighter.

I do have a consistent issue with my scum play, though. People gut-read me as scum, and then rationalize their way out of it with my content. It seems like most people here are newish, so they'll try to appear rational as much as possible, but if we get too many people content to follow their gut remaining toward the end, I'm gonna have to be bussed.

I'll try to buddy a "logical" player as we go, though.

Prism and LUV, how are you at LYLO as scum? We may need a hero.

I ALSO have a tendency to get lynched D1.

Post **#3445** (isolation **#359**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:46 pm

I was expecting boring to go for a town leader position in this game but apparently she just wanted one that would lead to a win.

Post **#3446** (isolation **#360**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:50 pm

In post 65, Prism wrote:....

That didn't happen.

Kill: Implosion

I ALMOST COPPED THE KILL AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK

Post **#3447** (isolation **#361**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:56 pm

Leaving me alive N2 would have meant:
Cop GE
Deputy PP
JK Zoronos
Cop clear of nn30
Ascetic SS
and Grendel, DF, Prism, and boring.
Not quite auto, but dangerous.

Post **#3450** (isolation **#362**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:59 pm

In post 110, Prism wrote:First Gamma now Zoronos. Why does everyone lynchable have to be a PR? I want to scream.

Best part is SS made a similar comment: that may have been ammo you cound have used!

Post **#3451** (isolation **#363**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:00 pm

In post 3448, Prism wrote:
In post 3447, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grendel, DF, Prism, and boring.
Not quite auto, but dangerous.
Town had 3 mislynches left, that would be auto.

I included the ascetic in the lynchpool.

Post **#3452** (isolation **#364**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:05 pm

In post 141, Prism wrote:I might finish my long-promised ISO on Dierfire early because god knows we can't afford Zoronos giving town another clear. I can handle all of Dier/PP/Grendel but I really, really don't want to go against nn30 at any point. I've gone too far in in my townread on him.

Shadow is going to have to be one of the mislynches if you go down today.

haha get rekt scum

Post **#3453** (isolation **#365**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:06 pm

LOL the BP gods frown upon the scum

Post **#3454** (isolation **#366**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:26 pm

btw the misfire selfhammer was fucking priceless.

Post **#3456** (isolation **#367**) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:28 pm

Done with the scum PT. It was great seeing how much you guys struggled to get a break.

Post **#3480** (isolation **#368**) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:22 am

Dierfire, your posting style results in me glossing over A LOT of your posts, because the fact you direct most posts at one person says that I can safely ignore the post.

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