In post 51, Grendel wrote:Is that a joke post, or your legitimate feelings?
In post 124, Shadow_step wrote:QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY
1) What is your preferred alignment?
2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?
3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?
4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why? (Ex: 1 would be deciding between 13, and 2. 2 would be deciding between 1 and 3. 3 would decide between 2 and 4.)
5) How excited are you for this game?
In post 129, Gamma Emerald wrote:It's RVS. Sure it's kinda dumb not to make up a silly reason to vote, but I would wait a bit before condemning him to the gallows.
In post 132, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Implosion
Serious vote. He doesn't talk about LUV at all but then votes him. Trying to flashwagon are we?
In post 142, boring wrote:Also, your scale is bad, and you should feel bad. Macaroni penguin is the best penguin.
In post 146, Gamma Emerald wrote:My vote on implosion is serious.
In post 148, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because I wanted them to know I had a reason for voting that's actually game-based.
In post 172, Gamma Emerald wrote:Legit it was the exact thing he was mislynched for. I'm hoping he'll contribute this time, but I understand if he doesn't.
In post 193, Zoronos wrote:In post 191, PenguinPower wrote:For me, it's not his RVS vote. It's his RQS answers.
Oh, and the continued absence thing - though that's really more of a continued non-contribution thing.
Tell me more about this, because I've ignored his RQS answers. (I've ignored basically everyone's). Why are they scummy?
My last? (maybe two games ago?) game on these boards, about a year ago, I got burned lynching down someone who was aggressively non-contributory. It felt good but they were town, which was less good. So I am a bit skeptical of running that same play back.
Gamma Emerald wrote:It goes like this: one minute you're lynching a lurker, the next you're out a doctor.
In post 197, Zoronos wrote:attempting to cajole the slot into playing normally.
In post 223, boring wrote:However, I'm enjoying the irony of PP bucking your analysis when he's going after LUV for his. Not that I'm not fond of LUV right now, either.
In post 241, Grendel wrote:I have legitimately caught scum with RQS. I've legitimately identify'd town too.
In post 303, Zoronos wrote:Especially now that LUV made a big contribution post.
In post 307, Zoronos wrote:In post 226, Zoronos wrote:Penguin - Let's make the assumption of Bad Town for the moment, if only because I don't feel like digging into this more and would like to see what he contributes based on actual gameplay.
Who does that leave as your top scum read, other than LUV? (Again, putting LUV's unhelpfulness aside. Looking Actual scummy posting in thread)
I asked before LUV made his big post, but question remains relevant enough.
I guess with the secondary follow up - Your initial case on LUV was that he was non-contributory / not helping solve, do you feel that is still the case now that he wrote a [wall of words]? (Seems like your answer is Yes but I don't want to put words in your mouth)
In post 313, Gamma Emerald wrote:Only thing I really need to address is the OMGUS thing: it was a joke. And also, weren't you in Newbie 1739 too? Didn't you see Doom pull the exact same pre-defense shit?
In post 316, Gamma Emerald wrote:Keep the shovel: makes it easier to tunnel.
In post 318, Gamma Emerald wrote:So what are you more concerned with: the contradiction or my actions?
In post 332, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah implosion is town.
In post 336, Gamma Emerald wrote:The fact that so many people townread me and yet he doesn't makes him Town.
In post 344, Shadow_step wrote:Especially PP's reply to your comment is terrible. He scum reads you and is okay with you town reading him. He doesn't accuse you or buddying.
In post 354, MariaR wrote:Consider my vote on PP for now I'm uneasy for some reason but that's where I feel like voting.
In post 358, nn30 wrote:Assuming MariaR's vote from 354 is counted without the tags, Penguin is at L-1 right now.
In post 430, Grendel wrote:I don't think he ever sounded comfortable lynching you, Penguin.
In post 434, Grendel wrote:I can't I.D. third scum for my scum team and want to hear some interactions people may have caught between people.
In post 435, Gamma Emerald wrote:PP seems like scum. His push against you has been very bad looking.
In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:I had already been townleaning Implosion. Not the same case with you.
In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:you've seemed to be trying to remain in popular opinion.
In post 456, Grendel wrote:I've been trying to hunt for the whole team all at once so I can avoid tunnels.
Who do you think could be scum with Gamma?
In post 462, Gamma Emerald wrote:Boring's post seem neutral upon retrospect. Opinions?
In post 464, Gamma Emerald wrote:Dammit. I meant to say posts.
In post 466, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually, she doesn't really seem to be trying to lead, so she's solid town.
In post 485, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait wtf I forgot I changed my mind on implosion; make my read on him null-town
As for ShadowStep, I want him to not be as tunnely.
In post 491, Dierfire wrote:The timing is weird to me (Âżwhy is the absence of Slandaar provoking absolute hate at this point?) and feels more like PenguinPower is looking for something to say than like PenguinPower has a real comment on Slandaar at this point.
In post 515, Dierfire wrote:I think that it's strange for you to be noticing it then, yes. My reaction in that position would have been to say something about players voting for me. Given the tone of your 431, I take it that you find most players voting for you likely to be Town?
In post 530, Zoronos wrote:In this theoretical world, who are the town on your wagon?
In post 844, nn30 wrote:Snake parks his vote on PP for the entire day.
In post 850, MariaR wrote:He's saying the fact eager was on the PP wagon and shadow didn't jump off with the way shadow is acting towards eager is fishy as fuck
yw
In post 942, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 939, Shadow_step wrote:Nothing new has happened and sudde ly GE realised he should look back and reconsider which is BS. LUV jumped on my wagon so he jumped on it too to protect his buddy Eager for one more day.
Tomorrow they'll argue he is also town after my flip.
This happened:In post 926, eagerSnake wrote:Yet she somehow has you as top townread for being "aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity.", something shes supposedly "never seen before in scum". Sounds like a fake read
In post 1046, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.
In post 1131, Zoronos wrote:So, other than Eager, who do you feel is scum? Still Gamma, or has that read changed?
In post 1156, eagerSnake wrote:Are you confident enough to Lynch s_s after I flip town?
In post 1164, Zoronos wrote:What makes you confident of that?
In post 1179, implosion wrote:
Like I've said many times already. As someone who has been on this site ~6 years and who has seen tons of normal setups (and is very familiar with what normalcy means on this site, and who has read a number of normal game normalcy/balance review threads): it's perfectly possible to create a setup with two town ascetics that both counts as normal and would be approved for balance. Yes, it will probably take some finagling (either we have a lot of power or a lot of our PRs are passive, most likely, or the mafia also have roles that the ascetics screw with) but it is by no means out of the question or, imo, even that strange. Uncommon, sure.
In post 1238, nn30 wrote:Snake also pointed out that he parked his vote on Boring the entire day - and nobody nibbled - meaning 0 scum tried to hop onto the wagon and test the waters(implying that Boring herself is scum, causing the lack of interest in her wagon). I like this logic a lot.
In post 1246, nn30 wrote:Scum would have an easier time just coasting day 1 and adding fire to any incorrect wagons.
In post 1250, Grendel wrote:Are you implying that scum are trying to set up a boring lynch later?
I mean, why would scum consciously say, "lets not vote boring fam", if she were town. It seems like a pretty unlikely thing for town to pick up on normally. Therefore not something that scum would preemptively set up.
Do you think boring is town then?
In post 1385, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:To me it still reads like Shadow made look premeditated. The timing is too convenient for me.
In post 1616, Zoronos wrote:Looking at the lynch yesterday, he provided no arguments for why Eager specifically was scum in the pair, didn't make any strong efforts to decide between the two competing claims, and didn't seem to examine the alternative trains. He just parked and went effectively afk other than an occasional 'this needs rope' style comment.
That to me suggests scum happy to take an easy lynch. He doesn't make an effort to sort out the alignments of all three players being discussed (boring, Eager, SS) because he doesn't care.
In post 1685, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Never said you were my strongest scum read and I'm not refraining from anything. I'm taking my time and reevualting.
In post 1702, boring wrote:He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.
In post 1711, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1704, PenguinPower wrote:In post 1702, boring wrote:He gave no explanation for voting you, and then abandoned you to vote for Zoronos for something that's been available for scrutiny for quite some time. It's arbitrary.
My reasons for Gamma were expressed in D1. I hadn't taken a look at Vote Counts until responding to LUV.
Next.
This is actually what I was going to say. However the swift unvote is kinda stupid. I had a wagon on me, if you thought I was scum you should have stayed on my wagon.
In post 1712, Grendel wrote:Wait, Zornos never even revoted Penguin...
In post 1719, Zoronos wrote:Oh, I see I was beaten. So now he's a leanscum read. Justify your lean scum read. "Moved on from that" isn't an answer to 'Why is he scum'. Perhaps an answer to 'is he your top scum' but that wasn't the question asked.
In post 1720, Gamma Emerald wrote:I changed my mind on PP:
1) The "Shadow intended to frame me and PP" idea is pretty illogical
2) This dude just said he's on my wagon pretty much but he'll be pushing someone else. Sounds scum motivated to me.
In post 1723, PenguinPower wrote:2.) Would you not join a wagon at end of day if you felt the slot was scummy and your top scum read's wagon didn't materialize? That sounds pretty normal to me...
In post 1739, Zoronos wrote:In post 1733, PenguinPower wrote:Good for you. Care to answer my question and answer why it took you this long to take a hard stance on anything?
Stances and votes are not the same thing; if you are curious as to any of the various stances I took, check all the various scum reads I've posted throughout the game along with the reasoning for them.
Your statement's premise is false, so the question is irrelevant. Unless you mean "Why do you vote seldom but post a lot" then answer is playstyle.
In post 1798, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Woah, forgot about this game. I read up and this what I have so far.
I'm a little disturbed by Penguin's push on Zoro. It reads as if he's not been reading what Zoro been asking and thinking. Just skimming. Zoro has been sorting like a mad man and his conclusions and observations have been worth the read so far.
I also don't forget how you can forget a read on someone. This is the only thing that has pinged me about Gamma really. I find it hard to believe and the only explanation that seems to make sense is that he's faking his reads. The question then becomes, is this some sort of next level strategy to catch scum or is he scum feeling pressured to put up content?
In post 1803, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah sure make that comment it's not like you're close to getting lynched
In post 1870, Zoronos wrote:PP has done *nothing* today.
In post 1872, Grendel wrote:The trouble with your D1 Gamma case is that Gamma always plays in that manner. You're town reading him for reasons I find non-AI as far as Gamma goes.
In post 1883, Gamma Emerald wrote:My WHAT? I want you to see my way I play as scum and check if it's the play I'm doing here.
In post 1903, Gamma Emerald wrote:With PenguinPower technically having already claimed intent
In post 1971, nn30 wrote:Penguin - I don't have any specific thoughts other than that a meta-diving him on his scum games reveals similar play style to this version of Pengin.
In post 1987, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Penguin, why are you using meta to justify how you're playing this game? If this isn't your scum game, what does this say about your town game?
In post 1988, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Oh and by the way, I'll be playing from here on forward. Don't think I'll have enough time to do an entire reread of Day 1.
In post 1992, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You can still answer the second question. I'll even reword it.
If this isn't your scum game, what does how you're playing now say about your town game?
In post 2009, nn30 wrote:Actually, I'll play ball for a second.
Penguin, please explain why I, as a townie, would lie about my meta read on you?
In post 1984, PenguinPower wrote:Um...wow. Weak. My scum game has typically been the opposite of what I'm doing now, hence my statement. I'm moving on, because you aren't even trying to defend your (false) statement.
In post 2074, Zoronos wrote:I guess the pertinent question - Penguin, do you think NN was attempting to *actively and malicious* distort your record, or that he a 'wrong but without malice' view of your record / meta?
In post 2125, Gamma Emerald wrote:Um, a secondary scum faction?
In post 2216, nn30 wrote:@penguin - please provide a case against me.
In post 2258, Zoronos wrote:I mean, you could consider reading the rest of the sentence.
In post 2276, Prism wrote:Stop doing this.
In post 2276, Prism wrote:Flesh out your case, because nn30 isn't scummy to me.
In post 2287, boring wrote:Honestly, Penguin, your push on nn30 is part of what's making me drag my feet on him. Sure, you hammered LUV, but that was after the gambit, when it was clear he was getting lynched anyway. In fact, I'm more than a little surprised that Zoronos wasn't more suspicious of you, based on the votes, than Grendel.
First, you went after Gamma. Then, when he was revealed as cop, you went after Zoronos. LUV continued to get pressure, but you didn't vote him. I think it's very conceivable that the scum team told him to gambit to flush out any protectors. Then, when he got to L-1 again, and the gambit got its results, you hammered with little warning, to cut off further discussion.
VOTE: Penguin
In post 2314, Grendel wrote:Well a role blocker doesn’t make sense with a Jail keeper because of the impending priority clashes. Games with both a jail keeper and a role blocker are very rare here.
In post 2324, Grendel wrote:I can even pull up the stats if you want them!
In post 2371, nn30 wrote:Snake hasn't said anything in ages. Whaddya mean by that?
In post 2408, nn30 wrote:In post 2405, PenguinPower wrote:Boring flips town, nn30 is scum.
Don't link me this way. Use something else, please.
Being wrong about somebody =/= I'm scum.
If you're gonna scum read me, please ISO me and cook up some theories on my motivations. Those hold weight without bs associatives.
In post 2409, nn30 wrote:LUV was never once on the Boring wagon. This is something you can't ignore.
In post 2416, Shadow_step wrote:Ever heard of buddying?
In post 2429, boring wrote:He's capable of following instructions, right? Do you think he thought up the doc gambit all by his lonesome?
In post 2452, boring wrote:You'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it. Regardless, I can't be the only person he buddied.
In post 2452, boring wrote:This comment worries me. I know this is an argument being used by someone(s) to townread you. Your attempt to apply it to me feels ham-handed. It's as if you're trying to reinforce this perception of you, rather than determine my alignment.
In post 2452, boring wrote:Please elaborate.
In post 2455, nn30 wrote:In post 2454, PenguinPower wrote:Um...I think he's second scum and he town reads you. That furthers my read on you. How is that difficult to understand?
Nitpicking here.
Scum buddy, and scum bus.
Grendel having Boring as a town read is NAI until you figure out that 1) Grendel is actually scum and 2) how he behaves.
In post 2476, implosion wrote:if we don't massclaim zoronos dies tonight, it seems foolish to waste a possibly more-informed use of the jailkeeper tonight, etc. Theoretic worst case scenario is scum have a blocker and block whatever other active power we have I guess? but if scum have a blocker we're going to have another significant PR and we'll want to know about that. And also most importantly we're at the point where these claims will REALLY help PoE.