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[MTD]

why were rem's posts scummy?

They were just very low effort.
Looking back, this might be kind of unfair actually, since illness and all that, i didnt really realize that as much back then :S.
So yea, after going over it again, pretty null.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.09
You will find that the Macaroni Penguin enjoys the cooler climates. You will often find them chilling in Antarctica enjoying a family vacation after a successful kill.

mykonian(4): Road Kamelot, Joshz, gigabyteTroubadour, Transcend
Gamma Emerald(3): Errantparabola, ssbm_Kyouko, MariaR
ssbm_Kyouko (2): kraska77, MTD
gerryoat(1): XnadrojX
Road Kamelot (1): mykonian
Transcend(1): Gamma Emerald


Not Voting: gerryoat

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-22 17:06:00)

[Transcend]

Also: dammit XnadrojX dat sig tho

AYYYYYY I JUST!!!!! SAW THIS!!!!!!!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao

gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?

[Transcend]

why were rem's posts scummy?

They were just very low effort.
Looking back, this might be kind of unfair actually, since illness and all that, i didnt really realize that as much back then :S.
So yea, after going over it again, pretty null.

have u tried reading giga yet?

i think it's kinda shitty you're basing your read on a slot that wasn't dominant in the slot at all.

but i still think you're town

[Transcend]

wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao

gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?

which one was bad?

[Gamma Emerald]

wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao

gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?

I like to wait so everyone can get to know each other because I try to ask a trust-based question (question 3, about who you think is good as town)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

which one was bad?

the first one

usually when that's asked it has PR fishing intentions. i don't really see any other purpose of asking it besides fluff (which is generally not something i scumread but it's not good imo) or pr fishing.

wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao

gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?

I like to wait so everyone can get to know each other because I try to ask a trust-based question (question 3, about who you think is good as town)

no but like

what sort of motive did you have with those questions? what were you expecting?

and usually any time beyond page 1 is too late for an rqs... if you just want to ask the question ask it as a question

[Gamma Emerald]

1 has applications with claims I feel
2 was to make sure no one pissed anyone else off
3 was a "who do you consider good at scumhunting" question
Also an addendum: Add Transcend to my answer for 3

[MTD]

why were rem's posts scummy?

They were just very low effort.
Looking back, this might be kind of unfair actually, since illness and all that, i didnt really realize that as much back then :S.
So yea, after going over it again, pretty null.

have u tried reading giga yet?

i think it's kinda shitty you're basing your read on a slot that wasn't dominant in the slot at all.

but i still think you're town

How would i read someones posts without trying to develop a read on them?

and you think it's shitty to use the only things you have from the slot that dont seem entirely null to you to base your read on? Why would it matter for that which player played the slot more?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

1 has applications with claims I feel
2 was to make sure no one pissed anyone else off
3 was a "who do you consider good at scumhunting" question
Also an addendum: Add Transcend to my answer for 3

why would you ask a question with applications to claims as town?? unless i'm totally misunderstanding what you just said i'm lost.

2 and 3 are fair though, i like good rqs's (it's just that i felt that it was totally uncalled for...)

[Road Kamelot]

Rly busy atm sorry guys, will read tomorrow
I can maybe answer some things if yall ask tho

This votecount im seeing is 10/10

[Gamma Emerald]

1 has applications with claims I feel
2 was to make sure no one pissed anyone else off
3 was a "who do you consider good at scumhunting" question
Also an addendum: Add Transcend to my answer for 3

why would you ask a question with applications to claims as town?? unless i'm totally misunderstanding what you just said i'm lost.

Catching fakers

[MTD]

Rly busy atm sorry guys, will read tomorrow
I can maybe answer some things if yall ask tho

This votecount im seeing is 10/10

I think you are the person i most want a transcend read from, when you have time.

[Transcend]

Okay.

Done reading I kinda got lazy and skimmed the rest.

Some thoughts.

EP and Road solid town, more sure about EP than Road, but I'm fairly sure they're both, to quote a recently banned user, "town-aligned"

Rem's only post she made was really good. I had the same thought and the post Gamma made turned my read on him back to the gut!town read I had before. I like Giga's catch-up and they questions they asked. So Giga/Rem slot pretty town.

Joshz is definitely town here as well, his play is 100% genuine. I'd be surprised as hell if they flipped scum.

Nadroj is also FAIRLY town but I'm not gonna put them too high on my reads list.

Sorry mykonian, but I don't see anythign that makes me really want to change my mind about what I saw from you earlier. Your votes don't look genuine, I don't think you're genuinely advancing through the game.

MariaR/Gerryoat has at least one scum, it might've been scum theatre, idk. Gerry usually tries a lot more as scum, but I'm not gonna hard townread him for being lazy this game. MariaR has had some towny lines, but idk her recent progression is pretty bleh. She hasn't really given much input on the whole Myko/Road/Gamma debacle and focused more on vanity wagons. This isn't an alignment tell honestly.

Kraska needs to do more, but I think she's town for right now and her play looks really town motivated.

I really liked a lot of what MTD had to say.

SSBM had a good page one, but that's it. The rest of his play gives me a sick feeling in my stomach.

Pretty sure Gamma's town after all the events that went down.

RN I feel safe with--

{Errantparabola, Joshz, Road Kamelot}
{gigabyteTroubadour, MTD}
{Gamma Emerald, kraska77, XnadrojX}
{gerryoat, MariaR}
{ssbm_Kyuoko}
gap
mykonian

[Transcend]

FFFFFFFFFF forgot the brackets lol

[Road Kamelot]

1. I posted about already, someone else also asked a clarification of the vote, must be a page and a bit later. In short, buddying as a choice of tell is in my estimation of RK as a player, how experienced she is, etc. It makes sense from someone like her to jump in the breach for an attacked player slightly too eagerly.

K this is weird
You know im an alt and thats it, where are you even getting the stance to say "someone like her"
Errant is literally the only player in this game who knows my old acct, you dont know my experience level or about how i play :P

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Rly busy atm sorry guys, will read tomorrow
I can maybe answer some things if yall ask tho

This votecount im seeing is 10/10

tbh i feel like i've resolved my questions that i've asked you but i guess the input wouldn't be bad

Catching fakers

yeah explain this please

so you ask someone what role they like to play as most... and usually you can read into what role they have based on how they answer (which is why it's a scummy question to ask, especially with newer players who don't know that)... but then you expect to catch fakeclaims?? consider me lost ://

also i'm honestly floored that maria is one of your scummier reads because i thought she was super obvtown? you would know her best but?? other than that we basically have the same reads

[mykonian]

Alright this is hard to reply to, please don't format like this again if you want responses.

I thought her points were valid though and didn't feel out of place (i.e., buddying). If you're like me and skim most ongoing games, you can pretty easily get a good impression of what kind of player Gamma is like. also if her goal were buddying i'd think her read on gamma wouldn't develop as it did.

I am not like you. Gamma is also not the person I'd need to get a feel for, it's kamelot in this case, they are the active personality.

OK, then let's try to develop a read on him... What did you think about his vote on 38? And my value call that his posts are "long winded and don't really say much in the end?" because i would think that someone looking for newbie scumtells like you said you were would call that out.

I have had a couple of proper newbie games as IC actually, the longwinded lie tell tends to come in a little later as people get a bit more confidence in playing scum, or if they are under attack somehow, that can push people into overexplaining. Here, I don't really get that feel. I get where you come from, but what's the cool term nowadays? NAI? It feels playstyle based rather than allignment, but we can see how that develops. Currently doesn't ring any alarms for me.

i mean i agree that gamma has shown himself as a lynchbaity and awkward player but that's just who he is regardless of alignment. don't really see why that's a reason to be lenient. don't get the bit about RK, are you saying that you think RK/gamma associatives are obvious?

Eh, if you know he's a bit lynchbaity, you adjust the calibration, imo. You somehow have to discern town lynchbait from scum lynchbait. As for the association, right now, you could see it in there, it's a judgement call if you feel RK is a bit too far on Gamma's side and lets go of some suspicion that they might be scum after all altogether. However, if there's a flip, that crystallizes it, at that point, yes, I think it's rather obvious. That is not a scum-scum interaction from a solid, but newer player on MS. RK doesn't strike me as a particulary gambitty player, hence solid.

I think Joshz has done an OK job at playing this game and presenting opinions so I don't really know if I can agree with this. If you're worried about a lack of engagement though, why not ask questions or get reads from him? From what I remember you pretty much went straight to calling him out rather than asking him questions, which looks to me more like looking for a scapegoat than frustration over a playstyle.

I've kicked up my share of dust, didn't change his engagement. Calling him out only made him stubborn. For me, if I were scum, I'd love to get away with the position he currently is in, and he's getting away with it. So it's not just frustration, it's also that if he's scum, I want him out in the open.

[mykonian]

You know im an alt and thats it, where are you even getting the stance to say "someone like her"

3 evenings of sitechat and your posts in this game.

[mykonian]

anyway, am I wrong?

[Joshz]

Tfw mykonian is the only one not cool enough for brackets

[Transcend]

Wagonomics suggest that mykonian is an infinitely better lynch than Gamma Emerald

[Joshz]

Someone answer this before I post more: how experienced is MTD?

[mykonian]

Someone answer this before I post more: how experienced is MTD?

not very, he avoids the game, generally. But he's been around.