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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:23 pm

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hi.

MTD: I know you
Errantparabola: I know you
Road Kamelot: I heard you are an alt, would I know you?
Kane: alt, probably won't tell me who they are.
Rem: newbie
kraska77: I know you somewhat
Joshz: newbie
ssbm_Kyouko: newbie
XnadrojX: newbie
MariaR: active newbie
gerryoat: newbie
Gamma Emerald: newbie

I really didn't want to be the IC. Someone else can be that.
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Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:31 pm

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In post 14, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Not voting on election day?

VOTE: mykonian
I'm a foreigner, I've got an excuse.

but otoh, I'm doing the most I can without a vote, just see!

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Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:34 pm

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who wants to talk to me about how gamma's last post was the scummiest in the thread so far?
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Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:20 pm

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In post 20, MariaR wrote:Gamma's last post is the same type of post myko made and I see no problem with making that post I was tempted to do it myself so PLEASE tell me how that null post is a scummy post when in fact you prob made the most scummy post.
Because it's a lot easier to make the same post, than have an idea of your own, esspecially if you have to worry about how you look. Which is what scum worry about at the start of the game. Town are swimming.
In post 28, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm with EP here.
VOTE: mykonian
TFW someone scumslips Page 1.
And Gamma rather likes that, having other people have ideas so he can follow them. Maria speaks out, he talks along, explains his actions (ie, defending), EP makes a move (town initiative, start of page 2, yay), Gamma only then dares to make a real vote (scummy, worried about how he looks, waits and sees where people go).



In post 32, MariaR wrote:
In post 31, MTD wrote:I did tell you why i do not think it was the same type of post, let alone "the same exact post".
It was the same post is it was 100% useless with no value in saying any of it.
bingo, you are correct. My first post was a blank, it said nothing at all. Why in the world would anyone want to copy a blank post.
You
get it, because you analyse other peoples posts. Why doesn't Gamma and mindlessly goes with the flow?

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Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:20 pm

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In post 27, Errantparabola wrote:everyone who's not voting mykonian:
why are you not voting mykonian?
I won't because he's town.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:39 pm

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In post 36, XnadrojX wrote:Hold on are we out of RVS already in Page 2!?
sorry, force of habit ;)

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So Maria, we discussed why that post was the scummiest of page one up till that point. You disagreed, I posted my bit, lets keep this conversation going, because it is going places.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #6) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:13 pm

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In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:sorry youre scum
Dislike this statement a lot, that's the second vote or post against me that I feel smells. Town don't feel guilty in any way, even if it's just a figure of speech.

In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
yes, everybody here is. It just means you can use more basic tells. Like following and passive play, which was what gamma was doing. More experienced players know to avoid it.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #7) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:19 pm

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In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
actually, given that after 2 pages RK has gamma's personality pegged and has an explanation for his actions, this smells like buddying. So with that, and on top of that the apology, I feel better here:

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Post Post #63 (isolation #8) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:08 pm

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In post 54, MariaR wrote:It's random voting stage right? (Or at least it was at that point in time)
Would you sr me if I made a post going like: "Oh I know ___ ____ and ____ in this game aswell" Because I felt like doing it and just didn't I don't think Gamma was hardcore worrying about anything yet I don't know about others but I'd say I'm a bit relaxed early on and saying who I know is just idk a fun thing I felt like saying now I can't speak for gamma but that's what I thought he meant
Yeah, similarly?

Like I like that you analysed the posts, that that was the first consideration while reading the thread. I threw something which wasn't just a vote, someone copied, someone analysed the situation presented. I like the second more than the first, by quite a margin and intention is important when it comes to reading posts in a slow environment like forum mafia, imo. At that point we are out of the RVS and gamma looks scummy from that limited information, while you look townie, and EP on the next page as well.

Obviously that's less information than you have on page 15 or so when you might consider moving towards a lynch, but you know, for a start I was pretty pleased with 3 half decent reads.


Rem looks alright on this page. Small reservation, but we'll see where that goes. Gamma's 53 is cute <3
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Post Post #101 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:36 pm

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In post 65, MariaR wrote:Buckle up kiddes it's gonna be one of THOSE games
oh yes.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:38 pm

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In post 76, MTD wrote:Ok my biggest problem with that post is that he
implies
gamma to be town.
And then says everyone is null.
...
VOTE: ssbm
That'd be damning, but sleepy as I am I seem to have missed it. Could you point it out for me?
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Post Post #107 (isolation #11) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:11 am

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aww man, you keep trying to do what the cool kids do :(

stop it, you are making me itch to dislike you.
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Post Post #108 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:13 am

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In post 69, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 43, Road Kamelot wrote:Lol are u bein srs because jumping on a small wagon on someone who called an innocent post of yours scummy is exactly what town should do on page fuckin 2 :P
If someone is town and they get called scummy for a NAI post I feel like it's in bad form to just jump on a wagon forming against the player that called you out. It looks defensive to me. It's natural to be defensive though so maybe he's just behaving normally.

That being said, it's my understanding that wagons need to form to get people talking and it can only be a good thing that they're getting going. Everyone seems null still
hmm, post 69 in question, I think I get where MTD is coming from and usually I have kind of a hair trigger on such cases, but here I'm not so sure. Good that MTD is looking for it though, I like that. Don't want to follow.
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Post Post #138 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:15 am

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In post 109, Joshz wrote:Can we get some more votes on gerryoak to pressure please he hasn't posted
no mate, your vote is bad and you should feel bad about it. Go play this game with us, don't just vote a lurker, discuss what's going on.
In post 122, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 46, mykonian wrote:
In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
actually, given that after 2 pages RK has gamma's personality pegged and has an explanation for his actions, this smells like buddying. So with that, and on top of that the apology, I feel better here:

vote Kamelot
First sign of myko townreading me
Correct. Well, in a way. I think Kamelot is more likely to be scum than you, and the argument for it implies you to be town, the interaction that makes her scummy makes no sense if you are scum as well (from a player of her stature). I'm happy to be proven wrong, but as of now I'm assuming you are town and Kamelot is scum, because of her overeager and very understanding defense of you (while a town would be at least somewhat worried about defending a scum by accident, have some reserve).
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Post Post #150 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:35 pm

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gamma, imagine a hallway, with all kinds of tripwires with little bells to them. How you catch sneaky scum? Well they step on a line and then you hear them.

You are rather barging through that hall.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:51 pm

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page 7 would be a good time to start josh.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:02 pm

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I'll happily lynch Josh as well. That must be the definition of fencesitting.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #17) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:57 am

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In post 181, Errantparabola wrote:- how strong was your kamelot read as of page 2/3?
- this read stays throughout the entirety of the game up to the present. Anything that adds to the strength of that read from bottom of page 2?
As strong as it could be on that page, nothing really added after, but then I didn't see much else that was surprising.

- Is this just a restatement of Rem's 57 or are you trying to say something different here?
It's a response to the previous post, following up to what I previously said to gamma.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #18) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:58 am

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rather uncomfortable with the ease people seem to ignore Josh with. He votes lurkers, then states he's not going to do anything to see where the game goes. Somewhere, even if both seperately don't look like scumtells to you, the hipocrisy should tip people off.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:27 am

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I wouldn't mind if you explained your josh town read. Neutral I could see. Town though, that's a bridge too far.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #20) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:26 pm

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In post 236, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Mykonian

Could you answer 52? It bugged me too.
What's your Kyouko read?
I think I know the site where Josh plays, and what you called hypocrisy (the way he "fencesits", waiting to see what other people do but then calling out lurkers, etc.) is really typical behavior there. Does this impact your read on him?
1. I posted about already, someone else also asked a clarification of the vote, must be a page and a bit later. In short, buddying as a choice of tell is in my estimation of RK as a player, how experienced she is, etc. It makes sense from someone like her to jump in the breach for an attacked player slightly too eagerly.
2. Null, must admit, this being a newbie game kind of messes with me. You get all sorts. I've been way more lenient with Gamma for example than I would be with most people I'd play with. He's ehm, what do you call it in English. Dutch would be "aangeschoten wild". He got beaten up a bit at the start, that might have flustered him a bit, the wolves are looking at him and he's stumbling from one situation to the next. Even if RK ends up flipping scum, there's no way that that won't cling to him somehow, pack mentality is really sad in that way, he's shown a weakness this game.
3. Well I'm not voting him for a reason. Again, you get all sorts. I am rather annoyed by it though. You join, you play the game. We used to have a player who did the same and it's rather frustrating to play with.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #21) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:31 pm

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In post 246, Transcend wrote:
In post 16, mykonian wrote:who wants to talk to me about how gamma's last post was the scummiest in the thread so far?

QUOI??????????

How was that scummy when he literally did what you did?
Because he did literally what I did.

Like this is the third person that comes up with this argument, and I don't understand all of you. There's a difference between initiative and going along with what other people do. It's my main reason why I think EP is town, he does take initiative. It boggles my mind that you look at posts in isolation, see that they are similar, and decide they must have the same scummyness to them, even though the circumstances clearly change (one time there was not a post like that yet, the next time there was).
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Post Post #274 (isolation #22) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:34 pm

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In post 272, Transcend wrote:Him doing what you did is 100% NAI it could come from either alignment and the fact that you dismissed it as a scumtell looks really shitty. And not just a scumtell, but the scummiest post in the game?????
with 16 posts in, yes.

And it's not NAI, that's your point of view :)
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Post Post #279 (isolation #23) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:40 pm

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he did
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Post Post #283 (isolation #24) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:45 pm

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Gerry I'm mostly wondering about why he joined this game. The most I get out of his posts is that he does not want to be here.
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Post Post #285 (isolation #25) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:46 pm

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In post 282, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Transcend
Copycat Transcend is scum Transcend
Surely this has a reason that actually connects copycat to scummyness, right? :]

we are really past the point of joke votes.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #26) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:48 pm

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In post 286, MTD wrote:Also myko plays sensibly so far, which tells me nothing.
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Post Post #297 (isolation #27) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:53 pm

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Transcend is coming into here with a Mission. Last catchup had 2 townreads and the rest was related to me being scum. Not a fan, in both ways you can read that.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:47 pm

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Alright this is hard to reply to, please don't format like this again if you want responses.
In post 311, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I thought her points were valid though and didn't feel out of place (i.e., buddying). If you're like me and skim most ongoing games, you can pretty easily get a good impression of what kind of player Gamma is like. also if her goal were buddying i'd think her read on gamma wouldn't develop as it did.
I am not like you. Gamma is also not the person I'd need to get a feel for, it's kamelot in this case, they are the active personality.
OK, then let's try to develop a read on him... What did you think about his vote on 38? And my value call that his posts are "long winded and don't really say much in the end?" because i would think that someone looking for newbie scumtells like you said you were would call that out.
I have had a couple of proper newbie games as IC actually, the longwinded lie tell tends to come in a little later as people get a bit more confidence in playing scum, or if they are under attack somehow, that can push people into overexplaining. Here, I don't really get that feel. I get where you come from, but what's the cool term nowadays? NAI? It feels playstyle based rather than allignment, but we can see how that develops. Currently doesn't ring any alarms for me.
i mean i agree that gamma has shown himself as a lynchbaity and awkward player but that's just who he is regardless of alignment. don't really see why that's a reason to be lenient. don't get the bit about RK, are you saying that you think RK/gamma associatives are obvious?
Eh, if you know he's a bit lynchbaity, you adjust the calibration, imo. You somehow have to discern town lynchbait from scum lynchbait. As for the association, right now, you could see it in there, it's a judgement call if you feel RK is a bit too far on Gamma's side and lets go of some suspicion that they might be scum after all altogether. However, if there's a flip, that crystallizes it, at that point, yes, I think it's rather obvious. That is not a scum-scum interaction from a solid, but newer player on MS. RK doesn't strike me as a particulary gambitty player, hence solid.
I think Joshz has done an OK job at playing this game and presenting opinions so I don't really know if I can agree with this. If you're worried about a lack of engagement though, why not ask questions or get reads from him? From what I remember you pretty much went straight to calling him out rather than asking him questions, which looks to me more like looking for a scapegoat than frustration over a playstyle.
I've kicked up my share of dust, didn't change his engagement. Calling him out only made him stubborn. For me, if I were scum, I'd love to get away with the position he currently is in, and he's getting away with it. So it's not just frustration, it's also that if he's scum, I want him out in the open.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #29) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:47 pm

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In post 341, Road Kamelot wrote:You know im an alt and thats it, where are you even getting the stance to say "someone like her"
3 evenings of sitechat and your posts in this game.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #30) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:48 pm

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anyway, am I wrong?
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Post Post #349 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:52 pm

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In post 348, Joshz wrote:Someone answer this before I post more: how experienced is MTD?
not very, he avoids the game, generally. But he's been around.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #32) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:57 pm

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In post 350, Road Kamelot wrote:So youve learned my mafia behaviour from sitechat. Fascinating

OH and youve realized im the type of player who would jump in to buddy a wagoned townie bc in this game you came to the conclusion that i was jumping in to buddy a wagoned townie
Circular logic bro
Gosh, can't you say it straight, does it have to be sarcasm?

No, you jumped to defend someone. I get to try to read you why you did that with the intensity you did it with. And I think you are scum for it, while gamma comes out as town. I am not quite sure how you try to twist that logic into a circle, but it looks ugly.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #33) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:12 pm

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In post 350, Road Kamelot wrote:Hm
So youve learned my mafia behaviour from sitechat. Fascinating

OH and youve realized im the type of player who would jump in to buddy a wagoned townie bc in this game you came to the conclusion that i was jumping in to buddy a wagoned townie
Circular logic bro

I mean, I get that my words aren't connecting, you aren't the first and won't be the last who feel that I'm faking an argument, in or outside mafia. So I wonder how I'm going to make you understand that this post feels incredibly wrong.

It starts with the sarcasm in the first sentence. Sarcasm in argumentation is nearly always a sign that the user checked out of the conversation. Be that because of frustration or because there's not actually an argument. It's a sign of saying something where they don't want to say anything constructive. Road isn't frustrated here, but can't continue the argumentation that I don't know her well enough to read buddying into a post of hers.

The second part, beyond what it actually says, follows up similarly. Bro again could signify frustration, but that's really not going on. It's depreciatory, where part of the zing of her defense has to come from attacking person making the argument against her (me). It's not ad hom, but has the same flavour. She feels that a defense has to be either retaliatory or that her defense requires the attacker to look weaker. Given that her wagon isn't going anywhere, I'd say she posted it with a motive.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #34) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:19 pm

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In post 372, Transcend wrote:ho's scum with Road Kamelot?

Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.
Kraska I remember as being much more involved in the game I modded with her. You (transcend) have come into this game reading the first 2 pages, then making it all about me and how you want to vote me, then skimmed the next 12 and are set on lynching, doesn't look town. Josh I still haven't seen anything from and he's getting a free pass, null leaning scum. Same for gerry but he's simply not here, less intimidating. Maria would be my blind spot scum, she got off to a good start sounding reasonable, and hasn't really been challenged along the way, they tend to trip me up. Same goes for MTD, but less pronounced. Doesn't help that I like him. I think I have gamma pegged, EP looked towniest, the rest takes time.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #35) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:22 pm

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In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:4 scum can happen with 13 players
multiball, otherwise I haven't seen it. And 2-2-9's aren't that popular, SK's have seen a sharp decline. Either way you'll get a sign, if there are multiple kills n1 you can think about it again.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #36) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:27 pm

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yeah? They don't have particular posts they relate to, so I can't center an argumentation and discussion around a particular post and I don't want to lynch people right now, so I don't throw it in the thread. And first half of day one is too soon to post lists of reads.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:33 pm

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They are the easiest way for scum to pretend they are doing some reading. Just post a list, sounds impressive, you only have to post half a sentence as a reason, and everybody is happy with you. The reads don't matter shit, it's the argumentation, the motive, the timing. Anybody can make up reads from thin air, esspecially if they are trying to allign those reads with what popular opinion says. End of the day I'll want to know your reads, halfway? Couldn't care less.

Which for the record should tip you off that gamma is town. He's very much going with the flow, but gets called out on a maria suspicion (very not done, and scum could happily easily avoid that). Hence, likely he's actually showing some town initiative.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:57 pm

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In post 399, MariaR wrote:VOTE: josh What the fk did I just read
yeah, that was not worth the wait.

So transcend, do I need to rehash why I am not a fan of reads lists early in the game because they are scummy?

vote Josh
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Post Post #414 (isolation #39) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:58 pm

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In post 402, Transcend wrote:Joshz:

How do you read for scum?

PEDIT: MariaR scumming it up more and more, page by page.

There's been some awful votes this game, but that vote on Josh was just inexcusable.

VOTE: MariaR
nah. Day 3 we'll have a look at maria. This is shit.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:05 pm

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In post 418, Transcend wrote:Joshz is town and I'm gonna defend his life
over your dead body? :twisted:
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Post Post #440 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:43 pm

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In post 376, Transcend wrote:
In post 373, MariaR wrote:Reason I'm not talking much is I feel like shit today and everything I read goes out the other ear but that's not really a good excuse.
You're right.

It isn't.

Rest of your game looks bleh as well.

Like it's not scummy, but it's objectively not towny?
In post 383, Transcend wrote:
In post 377, mykonian wrote:
In post 372, Transcend wrote:ho's scum with Road Kamelot?

Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.
Kraska I remember as being much more involved in the game I modded with her. You (transcend) have come into this game reading the first 2 pages, then making it all about me and how you want to vote me, then skimmed the next 12 and are set on lynching, doesn't look town. Josh I still haven't seen anything from and he's getting a free pass, null leaning scum. Same for gerry but he's simply not here, less intimidating. Maria would be my blind spot scum, she got off to a good start sounding reasonable, and hasn't really been challenged along the way, they tend to trip me up. Same goes for MTD, but less pronounced. Doesn't help that I like him. I think I have gamma pegged, EP looked towniest, the rest takes time.
can agree with you about MariaR.

so you have all these scumreads or at least "non-townreads" and it took me questioning your motives to out all of these???
In post 402, Transcend wrote:Joshz:

How do you read for scum?

PEDIT: MariaR scumming it up more and more, page by page.

There's been some awful votes this game, but that vote on Josh was just inexcusable.

VOTE: MariaR
In post 426, Transcend wrote:VOTE: mykonian

my vote was mostly a WTF are you doing anyways Claire
Hell no. You were leading up to that Maria vote, this wasn't a spur of the moment "wtf are you doing" thing. And that vote didnt pan out somehow, because this backtracking is something.

vote Transcend


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Post Post #459 (isolation #42) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:59 am

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In post 458, MariaR wrote:k now that my point has gotten across back on this
VOTE: Gamma

If there's scum in myko/gamma it's gamma
doubt there's scum in myko/gamma, you should look further.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:03 am

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I mean, look at my wagon. 2 of the people on there responded to me attacking them by voting (RK and Josh), the 3rd replaced in and went on a crusade which I wasn't sure about (and just backtracked from a horrible maria vote), and that leaves SSBM who apparently nobody really likes though I'm not that bothered. How in the world does that look like a good wagon to any of you. Stop and think for a moment?
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Post Post #462 (isolation #44) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:07 am

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In post 194, Joshz wrote:This is a beginner game. Beginning scum do basic things, such as target the towniest player which is errantphobia right now, either throwing docs and bgs off or just ignoring them. So, before I made this post, there was a decent (read: definitely not guaranteed) shot thst ep was going to be killed tonight depending on how the rest of day 1 goes, assuming he isn't scum himself. By me saying this post it doesn't even matter if docs and bgs are on ep, scum will be wary to kill him due to thinking I might consider him scum if he lives, and it at the least gave them something to think about it. At this point in my post if you're still reading you probably think I'm an idiot and that's OK, because in the next 11+ days the "towniest" person will change and this will be irrelevant. Unless it's not? Or maybe it is. Maybe I'm just shit. Or maybe I'll do this to make mykonian give me more bullshit for targeting the people who are going after me or whatever you call it here: unvote VOTE: mykonian


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In post 461, Joshz wrote:Maria's vote on me was more horrible than transcends vote on her, and id like to add she went to a personal level to get him to lift his vote. And I'm voting you because I scum read you strongest, not because your vote was on me.
I know, it's just coincidental. I'm sure you have your reasons!
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Post Post #465 (isolation #45) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:12 am

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idk, by this point I have a wagon of 5 on me, seems about the right time to have a look at it.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #46) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:16 am

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In post 464, Joshz wrote:And your complete lack of reactive devaluation doesn't make any sense when you scum read gamma, even though now you're backtracking and telling Maria that gamma isn't scum?
I've gone with gamma town from the moment I voted RK, and even yesterday I've given you a good reason why he is likely town given the mindset he showed earlier (and how his later actions do not make sense had he been scum).

You could actually read what I post.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #47) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:00 am

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In post 469, MariaR wrote:Transcend I'm feeling better if you need to vote me again by all means
crazy idea here, but hear me out

you could vote him!
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Post Post #477 (isolation #48) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:16 am

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In post 475, MariaR wrote:
In post 472, mykonian wrote:
In post 469, MariaR wrote:Transcend I'm feeling better if you need to vote me again by all means
crazy idea here, but hear me out

you could vote him!
There are 4 people I'd vote before Transcend but I can't do that right now good sir wanna have another chat?
I'd sort of like to continue on that topic. The post where he switches back his vote, doesn't that smell to you? Like without the previous posts even, because it sounded my alarms (which is why I reread his stance on you).
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Post Post #486 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:36 pm

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In post 480, Transcend wrote:i will not tolerate such an obv noob town
There's a difference between him and Gamma though. Gamma stumbles into things, and is suddenly very careless where he was careful at the start of the game. So a bit of hesitation then going for it, with this noobness showing. Who cares, he looks like newbie town, and we'll see where we go from there.

Josh however, from the start till now, keeps his cards close to his chest and is borderline obstructionist in his argumentation, pulling back that you can't make him anything because he believes things (why is anybody's guess), if he even gets that far. He much less has an air around him or not knowing what to do or what to avoid (like gamma), but more so the intent to not give himself in stead. Gives me the impression at least that he very well knows what he's doing himself, where that self conciousness is rather missing with Gamma.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:37 pm

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oh, that quote went wrong. Apologies, it's about a josh lynch.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #51) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:17 am

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Spoiler: transcend backtracking
In post 440, mykonian wrote:
In post 376, Transcend wrote:
In post 373, MariaR wrote:Reason I'm not talking much is I feel like shit today and everything I read goes out the other ear but that's not really a good excuse.
You're right.

It isn't.

Rest of your game looks bleh as well.

Like it's not scummy, but it's objectively not towny?
In post 383, Transcend wrote:
In post 377, mykonian wrote:
In post 372, Transcend wrote:ho's scum with Road Kamelot?

Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.
Kraska I remember as being much more involved in the game I modded with her. You (transcend) have come into this game reading the first 2 pages, then making it all about me and how you want to vote me, then skimmed the next 12 and are set on lynching, doesn't look town. Josh I still haven't seen anything from and he's getting a free pass, null leaning scum. Same for gerry but he's simply not here, less intimidating. Maria would be my blind spot scum, she got off to a good start sounding reasonable, and hasn't really been challenged along the way, they tend to trip me up. Same goes for MTD, but less pronounced. Doesn't help that I like him. I think I have gamma pegged, EP looked towniest, the rest takes time.
can agree with you about MariaR.

so you have all these scumreads or at least "non-townreads" and it took me questioning your motives to out all of these???
In post 402, Transcend wrote:Joshz:

How do you read for scum?

PEDIT: MariaR scumming it up more and more, page by page.

There's been some awful votes this game, but that vote on Josh was just inexcusable.

VOTE: MariaR
In post 426, Transcend wrote:VOTE: mykonian

my vote was mostly a WTF are you doing anyways Claire
Hell no. You were leading up to that Maria vote, this wasn't a spur of the moment "wtf are you doing" thing. And that vote didnt pan out somehow, because this backtracking is something.

vote Transcend


This is as close as we are going to get to catching scum redhanded.


Are we seriously going to let transcend get away with this?
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Post Post #517 (isolation #52) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:39 am

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you quoted it, then you can see the tags used.
Spoiler: text
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Post Post #523 (isolation #53) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:55 am

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In post 500, kraska77 wrote:giga i just realised gif's game is hitting sign ups rn
u wanna join that?
oh, I can endorse this game actually.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #54) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:42 am

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In post 533, Errantparabola wrote:myko i'm curious as to your thoughts on nadroj
and in regards to whether or not i'm going to let transcend get away with backtracking, the answer is yes
where's the scum motive here-- what warrants a vote?
Don't have any thoughts, can't remember a post of his. I'll have a look.

That he has to place votes and come up with new ideas now and then as scum. And some of them are going to be shit because he's just pretending to be town. That was one of them, and he tried to cut his losses, in my opinion, in a scummy way. He build up towards a vote, pushing some suspicion there, then rapidly left saying it was just as a response to a particular vote of Maria's, evidentaly not the case.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #55) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:45 am

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yeah you are right EP, that could very well be lurker scum. His Gerry vote is horrid, his answering of the RQS is doubtful at best. I can sheep you there.

vote xjordanx
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Post Post #541 (isolation #56) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:11 pm

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Probably should expand on the second bit. I wasn't a fan of the questionaire at that point. The game exited RVS end page 1 start page 2 already, and at that point the game was really rolling. A questionaire just slows down the game for no reason. Up till that point Jordan had poked a bit in the game but not really made an effort: sure, it's the start of the game, people fool around a bit. However, second time he comes to play, after quite a long gap, first thing he does is answer the questionaire, and I can be less bothered about the answers (though they certainly weren't remarkable enough to warrant going for the questionaire first), then follows up with "doing something" which is:
In post 156, XnadrojX wrote:VOTE: Gerryoat

Nice ISO there m8
Which is as noncommittal as you can get, choice of vote and reason.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #57) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:31 pm

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In post 567, kraska77 wrote:mykonian-calling half the playerlist scum and changing votes every 2 pages...I have trouble believing his reads are even remotely genuine.
DW, they are.

Can you imagine my frustration that past page 2, there's been 3 real contenders for the lynch, the rest is discarded? You people seem to be playing an entirely different game now and then. And really, at this moment I'd put my money on all three being town as well.


It was also the first time MTD came up negatively in the last page, I think. I think he's clever enough to fool me, but so far I haven't seen anything I didn't expect from him this game.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #58) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:33 pm

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also, Jordan gets called out on his lack of votes and how his vote is still a "I need to do something"-gerry vote and within the next page shifts his vote a couple of times within a page. I dont think this will avoid Firebringers tell ;) (see md)
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Post Post #593 (isolation #59) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:40 pm

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In post 552, XnadrojX wrote:Ugh
UNVOTE: Josh
Agh i just dont feel that anyone is scummy.
In post 556, XnadrojX wrote:VOTE: MTD

Briefly skimming thru the thread, this is the person I feel most comfortable on
yeah, I see.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #60) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:49 am

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In post 595, Transcend wrote:nadr has decent tone tho

keep the vote on myko
ehm, what? What about Jordans votes has been reasonable?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #61) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:51 am

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like, first you'd want "reasons". Which is the least you could give me, at least they had, even if you dont understand them.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:29 am

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EM one doesn't hang them, I think.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:32 am

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troubadour, I get the feeling that the conversation that that post is part of is well past by now, is there anything you'd still want to know now?
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Post Post #635 (isolation #64) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:55 am

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Not a fan but you seem quite convinced, feel free to try to convince me? I fear I'm not quite sure what situation you mean with: "it's awfully out of character for her to be this irresolute about pushing someone she elieves is trying to manipulate people's perception of a slot shes tonreading(or not scumreading...whatever)"
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Post Post #638 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:55 am

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In post 636, kraska77 wrote:she put a lot of effort into refuting your points on gamma, but little into actually pushing a lynch on you or calling you scum. her posts make it pretty obvious she findy you scummy but she never really pushes you. i feel like this is scum trying to exploit you misreading gamma's motivations to gain town credit, rather than town who is trying to sort you
Alright, this is 2 parts selfmeta 1 part reasoning, but I think you are on the wrong track here Kraska. I've seen people like Maria before and the response tends to come out to some extend in every game.

It's a habit of mine (because I believe it's right) to start scumhunting asap, nearly every game I have is out of the RVS by the end of page 2. Not because I dislike the RVS alone, but also because I think the start of the game, and lylo, are the times the scum are most insecure, and that's something I want to exploit. So the gates open, and you hit the floor running, you keep up the pace so scum have to catch up constantly. At some point the game settles and then scum have a feel for where it will go, which people they need to play, who are lynch targets, etc and at some point you try to sift through the dust you've thrown up and hope one or two cases actually stuck.

Now this means two things. One, the first cases are flimsy. Basically they are on wording or something like that. It's not quite creating something out of thin air, but it's not far off either. 95% of the time in mafia games you'll play with way more informations and standard for cases will be way better than what you can make in the first couple of pages. So it never looks all that great, this isn't the first and won't be the last game where in the first couple of pages I'm a controversial person (depends on the town if more or less than half the people go with me, or against me). It doesn't mean they are wrong per sé, but you do have less to work with. Second, town as well, is not really used to the game starting off like that. Some people will balk and feel it's all going too quickly.

Now Maria strikes me as somewhat of a thoughtful player, and in that case I might be pushing her comfort zone more than actually triggering a scumread if she thinks about it. She was indeed reserved, and that got her towncred, and it indeed might very well mean she's my blind spot scum, but just as likely it's her mentality towards the game. She would not be the first that puts the breaks on, then again, she could indeed be scum who talked plenty but tried to stay reasonable. Either way, it's not as obvious as you think it is and as such I'd love to see more from Maria, leave her for a day or two. There's plenty of better lynches out there (transcend, josh, jordan).
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Post Post #639 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:58 am

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Also on the last note, it's silly that the Jordan wagon has not gone further than two votes. If any player deserved to be the default lynch because on top of actually not delivering anything, looking scummy while doing that, it's not gamma, it's not ssbm, it's Jordan.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #67) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:10 am

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you should :)
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Post Post #716 (isolation #68) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:48 am

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I'm rather tired but if I don't post now I'll have to catch up 5-6 pages tomorrow. Short posts:
In post 654, Transcend wrote:Gamma's a mislynch
Yes.
In post 665, MariaR wrote:meh I'ma just chill and let yall lynch myd and then laugh when gamma is dancing in his scum pt
False dichotomy, 3rd option, lets lynch Jordan.
In post 671, Joshz wrote:Call me crazy

My gut is feeling an ep lynch. He's had a couple good wall posts... and that's about it. He's gone for two low risk votes being gamma and Jordan, about and hasn't followed through convincing us to vote them. And seeing as nobody else replied I take it nobody besides mykonian and EP have a scum read on Jordan, further convincing me it was a failed attempt at an easy lynch. I town read ep hard initially and that is also interesting to note, because he's fairly experienced from what I can tell so he'd know how to appear townie and yet after he generated some discussion he disappeared until he next wallpost. Scroll through his iso, there's a ton of fluff and he only starts discussions, not participates for the most part, which removes responsibility.
Starting discussions is not a scum habit. EP's activity is a concern, not the content of his posts. He's moving upstream enough that I worry least about him.
In post 682, MariaR wrote:I've seen people keep saying there's prob a scum in myd/Gamma and everyone picks myd why?
He seems like he's really scumhunting unlike gamma
(read my spoiler on gamma again ty)
More false dichotomy, 3rd option, lets lynch Jordan, the lurkerscum with the bad votes.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #69) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:36 am

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In post 729, Errantparabola wrote:I'm still a relatively new player by a lot of people's standards.
you have some 25 games under your belt, you'll do ;)
In post 743, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I still think that Myko or Gamma flips are the most valuable right now.
Fuck that mate. You lynch to get scum. Not because you just like to lynch. Bring better arguments.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #70) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:37 am

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In post 740, MariaR wrote:Ssbn or gamma lynch let's go
Still don't think I've seen a reason why you'd ignore Jordan here. You seem to be avoiding him.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #71) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:17 am

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In post 755, MariaR wrote:He's been coasting and made only 1 post I enjoy the rest are just idk and between non sense
That and at least 2 bad votes (out of his 3). Surely that counts for something if you already think he's coasting.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #72) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:22 am

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This is some stunning disinterest Maria.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #73) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:27 am

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I'd really prefer Jordan. If he flips scum that's damning for Maria, town the other way around. And where you have the advantage of knowing Maria pretty well, apparently, I don't, and I see something quite objectively scummy in Jordan. Maria is just "off". Not saying no, but really rather not.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #74) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:14 am

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In post 765, kraska77 wrote:
In post 761, mykonian wrote:I'd really prefer Jordan. If he flips scum that's damning for Maria, town the other way around. And where you have the advantage of knowing Maria pretty well, apparently, I don't, and I see something quite objectively scummy in Jordan. Maria is just "off". Not saying no, but really rather not.
I don't feel one way or the other about Jordan right now...
I gotta ask though...why do you keep covering for ssbm? You've been averse to votes on him since the first couple of pages
yeah. Don't get his person, nothing about his posts stands out to me. I'm aware he's there, I'm reading what he posts... most of the time, but I just can't be bothered one way or another. Feels very meh indeed. Uhm, how could I put this clearer.

I think he's trying, his posts just don't do anything for me? Something like that.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #75) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:52 am

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goes from voting maria to who maria votes, just because. Idk, people are convinced josh is town, so we'll have to endure these antics, I guess?
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Post Post #783 (isolation #76) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:02 am

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In post 781, gerryoat wrote:Kraska, can you tell me what you're so confused about? Certainly if you've been reading the game, my vote should not surprise you.
I'd be happier with a Jordan vote tbf.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #77) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 782, kraska77 wrote:He's completely ignoring people's calls for a lynch on him...I fail to see why town would pretend their wagons don't exist.
only child, eh?

idk. Don't see that as a tell that you don't get the attention you deserve ;)

Anyway, Jordan is clearly worse. Just look at his votes, that on top with the lurking and everytime he does post he has a post how he doesn't know what to do. If that doesn't make you vote him, idk what does.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #78) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:00 pm

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That's not what you are saying though. You want the flips.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #79) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:47 pm

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In post 794, MariaR wrote:Can you tell me more about how I feel "off" myk
Oh, that's unfortunately worded. I meant that as a comparison between my own scumread on Jordan and theirs on you. Otherwise, what I think of you hasn't changed much since last time I discussed you. You seem reserved, you could be my blindspot scum, I don't feel like figuring it out today.
In post 795, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Myko - I want the flip on either you or gamma because I don't think you're both town. It seems like you were saying Maria and Jordan are aligned but you'd rather lynch Jordan than Maria, because Maria just feels "off", not necessarily scummy. So a Jordan flip should give you a better read on Maria, and a flip of either you or gamma will give me better info to read the other.
see, I was right to shout at you.

Fuck info lynches. Jordan is likely scum. You lynch him. Easy as that.
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In post 761, mykonian wrote:I'd really prefer Jordan. If he flips scum that's damning for Maria, town the other way around. And where you have the advantage of knowing Maria pretty well, apparently, I don't, and I see something quite objectively scummy in Jordan. Maria is just "off". Not saying no, but really rather not.
How is it damning for Maria?
Because she could be avoiding the topic of her scumpartner in that case, compared to the situation where she's just not interested in him is pretty similar both as scum and as town. However, if it's town-scum, she'd have an easy route to jump on now, and regardless wouldn't be hesitant to say anything at all about him. The silence is curious at least.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #80) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:35 am

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christ, put giga's list upside down and you come scarily close to mine.
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Post Post #821 (isolation #81) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:55 am

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today is not going to work out. Tired.

more people should consider voting Jordan. It's silly, he lurks badly and he gets away with it.
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Post Post #826 (isolation #82) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:56 am

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In post 822, Joshz wrote:Jordan is not contributing at all and has bad content. I agree completely and it annoys me too. But like I said, I don't think that's from being scum.
his bad content makes it scum. Otherwise I could not be bothered, there are more inactive people out there. He's inactive,
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scummy while doing that.
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Post Post #836 (isolation #83) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:10 am

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so, with more or less 5 days to go, this game has stalled out with people not really doing all that much. Giga, EP, Road, MTD aren't really here, Maria and Transcend pretty much lost steam, while Josh and Kraska never really had any drive to their posts. It's pretty sad that the only person who seems to have more intent as the game nears the end of the day is Gerry. What's happened in the last couple of days is a slow slide to Gamma becoming the default lynch, and otherwise people are merrily talking amongst themselves. At this rate, this is going to be a deadline lynch on Gamma, and even if you are happy with that, you should put your vote where your mouth is. If you don't want it, like me, now'd be the time to act.

So Im asking you again, how shit do Jordan's votes have to be for you to consider him, even if you disregard his lurking? He doesn't have all that many votes, you can easily check them.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #84) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:15 am

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I mean, ssbm is better as a default for me than Gamma for sure. Don't really care about that guy.

Can't go with you on Maria.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #85) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:52 am

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In post 841, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:jordan is obvtown though let's not vote there
you are a special kind of crazy.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #86) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:58 am

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I have ssbm at 6 now.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #87) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:25 am

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I did count you twice, not sure where else I went wrong.

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Post Post #890 (isolation #88) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:09 am

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In post 881, kraska77 wrote:oh pls not again
its annoying to see scum escape the noose just bcos they cook up a claim
hes obvious scum hammering him is fine
I dont think this one is quite that obvious. And we happily avoided having to do this on the last day, with 5 more to go, we might still get a Jordan lynch ;)
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Post Post #896 (isolation #89) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:18 am

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In post 894, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 892, MariaR wrote:Kraska does it weird you out that your main sr is wanting to hammer your other main sr? :wink:
maria will be a scumread if kyouko does flip red just for this post alone
I wonder if you actually read every post the other way from me now.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #90) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 899, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:felt cheeky and like something someone with INSIDE KNOWLEDGE says ://
I don't think scum maria would pull that cheekyness off though. Look how she's played, I think I used the word "reserved". That cheek would be a gambit if it came from scum. Much easier to imagine from Maria's position if she doesn't know the result of the flip, and plays off kraska's offense.
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Post Post #907 (isolation #91) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:34 am

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she doesn't play like that now, does she.
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Post Post #910 (isolation #92) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:37 am

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In post 908, MariaR wrote:i-innocent c-child d-don't lynch
Lemme guess. The more boys in the game, the more likely to work?
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Post Post #921 (isolation #93) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:46 am

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In post 887, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i mean what kind of reaction where u expecting

and yeah the wagon grew kinda quickly and i'm slightly skeeved by myko/gamma/mtd ALL favoring this wagon but like wagon compisition is something to care about post lynch
Well, after RK, transcend, Josh and Jordan didn't work out, and for the entirity of the game a couple of players have really not advanced from page 1 when the choice was gamma or myko. Then we were the only people to talk about. By now, hardly. And still, Josh, Maria, did not care and had several posts comparing me and gamma to see who was the most scum (while as far as I can see, we are both town). Think that artificial limitation of choice then resulting in the conclusion that a townie is scummy and justifying that lynch like that is scummy as hell. Add that to your maria points, I guess. And if someone someday does want to lynch Josh, I'm available :)

And he's hardly the only wagon I'd support, as you can tell. So there's some choices there, if only you'd take some initiative.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #94) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:46 pm

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unvote


That feels quite alright really.

vote Jordan
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Post Post #952 (isolation #95) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:03 pm

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In post 947, Joshz wrote:Mykonian in particular please answer since you unvote before the legendary wall post.
I see polite frustration in those posts. Frustration could be faked, I'm sure that still gets townread reasonably often. Then more or less holding it back to also get some sensible words accross would be quite a hard balance to fake as scum. It feels natural.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #96) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:21 am

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will admit that I'm sad about the resistance to the Jordan lynch.
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Post Post #998 (isolation #97) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:14 am

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I'm not bothered by him being lazy. I'm bothered by him lurking, and then the posts that he makes, esspecially his votes, are terrible. Like, going on the limited information you do have, he still looks the worst.
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #98) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:22 am

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it beats a gamma lynch, I guess :(
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:25 am

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In post 1005, MariaR wrote:
In post 1003, mykonian wrote:it beats a gamma lynch, I guess :(
Does it though?
Yeah. Do think we are choosing between two town, but then it's a bit hard to find scum between the non moving town today. The whole day has been rather static, barely any serious wagons.
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #100) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:36 am

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In post 1010, MariaR wrote:If you think were going between too town I'd say go for ssvbn since he already claimed even if I think you're wrong.
Also that claim is pretty much all I go on with him. So yeah, I'd go ssbm. Which is why it beats a gamma lynch!
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #101) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 1016, MTD wrote:I did ftr really like josh's last few pages.
yup.
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #102) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:21 am

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alright then.

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Post Post #1063 (isolation #103) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:22 am

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not a clue what transcend thinks he's doing in the last 2 pages.
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #104) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:29 pm

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It's insane the amount of excuses you guys are making for Jordan.

Is he that hot?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #105) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:29 pm

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take note that Giga really struggles to get any resemblance of scumreads out by page 44, takes the two leading wagons as scum, and has 2/3 talked about suspected players in his suspected pool.
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #106) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:54 pm

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Nah, I read your post. I saw 7 townreads and got curious. You are a very trusting for a townie, where's the paranoia? And when you actually read the post, you can see the scumreads aren't even there. You went with the flow, and don't even have reasons for half of them, which you don't do a very good job of of covering up. So yeah, I read that lengthy post and saw it said very little.
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #107) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:26 am

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In post 1154, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:All the scum are on my wagon already anyways or I'd have been hammered already. Gamma will flip scum, whether it's today or tomorrow makes little difference,
I'd argue the other way around. Say you are town and Gamma is town, then scum for one can't really be bothered, either of you is a mislynch and a mislynch in waiting. But Gamma, he hasn't claimed, that wagon is more enticing than one on a claimed VT. Not saying all scum are on Gamma, but you'd expect there to be some pull that way. So giga for the scum on you, Road>Maria=Josh for the scum on Gamma, maybe two, Jordan for scum. Eh, I've made worse guesses from debatable reasonings :]
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #108) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:23 pm

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bored
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #109) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:50 pm

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Great. I continued a bit on the votecount and I made a mistake there yesterday. Ssbm was revoted by maria, so there are two players who responded to the flashwagon and ssbm's vanilla claim by going after the counter wagon. That makes josh and rk suspicious to me.

I did the reasoning yesterday, but I think that scum would love to at least get a second claim out there, if not get the lynch away from a "useless" VT if Gamma is town as I think he is. After I unvoted, the door was open to have a go, but as has been the theme of day one, town was very immobile indeed. We literally had one little moment of mobility, and I must admit that I'm a bit struggling to see how to find scum in that yet.

Towards the end of the day I felt good about one Josh post, though I'll have to look it up. Jordan is still a scummy lurker, so if you want to lynch him today, hit me up, but at first:

vote Kamelot


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Post Post #1235 (isolation #110) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:52 pm

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also there was some discussion about the amount of scum, that might be worth revisiting now. Sec.
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #111) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:55 pm

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In post 369, Joshz wrote:Fuck it w.e

SSBM: earlier you said I'm onto gamma. What did you mean by this?


Everyone else: are there likely 3 or 4 scum? I don't know how it's usually set up here
In post 379, mykonian wrote:
In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:4 scum can happen with 13 players
multiball, otherwise I haven't seen it. And 2-2-9's aren't that popular, SK's have seen a sharp decline. Either way you'll get a sign, if there are multiple kills n1 you can think about it again.
Not too damning, maybe minus points for gamma if we do end up being in a multiball game. If there's an SK/vig, it's pretty null.
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #112) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:57 pm

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Just in case this requires to be said: I'd be really sad if I woke up tomorrow with a lynch already happened. It's sort of in the middle of the night and if I read through Maria/relations today there's no way I'm actually going to take up anything. I'd like to have a go at that.
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #113) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:17 pm

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I kind of don't want to discuss the gerry kill, if possible. Lets focus on maria.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #114) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:11 am

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Almost halfway through the reread, I have to say that I'm letting Maria get away with murder just because there's so much similar stuff going on. I hate you guys.
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Post Post #1320 (isolation #115) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:03 am

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Spoiler: Interactions with Maria, counting
8 Kraska town
11 Kraska town
20 Gamma town
175 gamma town
210 kraska town
214 giga town
254 transcend heh
301 jordan scum
323 transcend town
376 transcend town
401 gamma town
418 trascend town
443 kraska town
458 gamma town
469 josh, transcend town
534 giga town
586 kraska town
599 transcend town
603 gamma town
634 kraska town


MTD:
Errantparabola:
Road Camelot:
Transcend: 5
gigabyteTroubadour: 2
kraska77: 6
Joshz: 1
XnadrojX: -1
Gamma Emerald: 5

I mean I'm seeing a pattern here and I'm halfway. Going to stop counting kraska, transcend and gamma, otherwise I'm just creating work. Shame gerry got shot, he'd have a good score as well. Up till now EP and Road did not mention maria at all. MTD had arguments with her.

Spoiler: continuation
708 Josh town
755 Jordan scum
End of page 32, josh/maria interaction is weird, but I don't dare to quantify it. Someone should have a look.
812 giga town
831 jordan scum
895 giga town
899 giga town


MTD:
Errantparabola:
Road Camelot:
gigabyteTroubadour: 5
Joshz: 2
XnadrojX: -3

Done with day 1. Things to note, for the amount of posts giga has, their interaction towards maria looks very town. I may be tunneling on Jordan, but Maria was conciously wishy washy in her reactions towards him. EP and RK had nothing to say to or about Maria at all. Nothing.

So all in all, I'm happier with Giga than after yesterday. Lets go with confused townie, they aren't scum with Maria. RKs vote on gamma was godawful, they weren't there, then after the claim/my unvote, she decides to have a go. I could see MTD/maria as scum/scum gambitting, but really he's closer to the townreads than the scumreads from this.

confirm vote RK
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #116) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:07 am

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oh, I wasn't voting RK? oh well.
In post 1319, Transcend wrote:
In post 1318, mykonian wrote:Almost halfway through the reread, I have to say that I'm letting Maria get away with murder just because there's so much similar stuff going on. I hate you guys.
Huh
idk, knowing she's scum and rereading that, there are things that I'd love to have pounced on usually, I believe, if it wasn't for other people happily committing them as well. Noise and all.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #117) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:09 am

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I was voting kamelot. See, I'm not crazy. Not crazy I tell you!
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #118) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:18 am

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In post 1309, Road Kamelot wrote:Whoever is saying i didnt interact w maria isnt thinking critically or is scum
i didnt interact with anyone after a certain point

VOTE: MTD
mykonian is fine too
but why is gamma assumed town after the kyouko flip. i voted gamma bc kyouko was likely town
This is lazy scum who just wants to continue yesterday (things were going so well, we are running up 3 town!), then didn't adjust for one of their teammates falling.
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #119) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:19 am

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In post 1323, Transcend wrote:Good.

Stay.

U will get a doggie treat if u behave.
I get those when I ban people as well! Myko likes doggie treats!
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #120) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:38 am

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yeah, there's too many scum, I agree.

Like, EP had those posts with capitalized/bolded the names of people who he would then ask questions, right?

None to Maria.

Then again, RK's vote on gamma after ssbm's claim was shit, today she's been scum, her response to gamma/me early game was intense, all together, I'm happy here. Jordan I'd be happy with as well, I guess.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #121) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:14 am

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well the issue with EP scum is mostly that his pairs with Road or Jordan require me to jump through some hoops, they don't feel like scum/scum. MTD/EP makes sense to some extent, but I kind of had MTD on the townier side. EP/Josh don't work either. Don't care about the other pairs because they are town from reads/maria interactions.
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #122) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:44 am

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In post 1335, Errantparabola wrote:actually i'm strongly against a road kamelot lynch
but she sucks and kicks puppies :(
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #123) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:48 am

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dare I say, she drowns kittens as well? :eek:
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #124) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:07 am

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anyway, in all seriousness EP, you dislike the way in how I push her. That's more or less that vote I've pushed with the most types of evidence till this point. What's wrong with it?
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #125) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:02 pm

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In post 1344, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 1288, MTD wrote:wat.

the only people i feel confident are town are transcend and josh.
Kraska?? Myko??

like i was 100% serious that myko is conftown with maria flipping scum... and kraska was basically the person who made me consider scum!Maria in the first place

EP is just obvtown.
In all fairness I have soft defended Maria for the entire game, saying "blind spot scum" and never doing a thing about it could be seen as a distancing tactic, depends a bit on what person you think I am. I'd say that's a bit beyond ballsy and I can do better than that, but one could judge that differently (and I suspect MTD knows me best out of all people here). Maria towards me would be more than distancing, I feel, but for good reasons I didn't include that in my post: that's for you to judge.

Kraska should be obvtown, I agree. She pushed early, and thoroughly, when a bus was not required or obvious.

EP I'm not as sure about as you are, but I'm not interested in them now. EP just hasn't had the impact that one would require from an obvtown read.
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #126) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:03 pm

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If someone suggests MTD/Myko as a pair now they are trying to force a world to make sense to their needs in stead of the other way around.
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #127) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:24 pm

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In post 1352, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:rather than just complimenting good play
I fear my language might be tripping you up there. I've used words like reasonable and reserved to describe her play:
In post 638, mykonian wrote:She was indeed reserved, and that got her towncred, and it indeed might very well mean she's my blind spot scum, but just as likely it's her mentality towards the game. She would not be the first that puts the breaks on, then again, she could indeed be scum who talked plenty but tried to stay reasonable.
These words are very double in the game of mafia.


I mean, I might act like the IC anyway. This is how you don't get lynched: You limit your posts, but make them semi long, build up every point with a story, you don't step on peoples toes (omgus feelings are very real) so you pick your spots and don't move too quickly lest you startle someone, and
at all points you make sure you make sense
. Other people are crazy enough. People who post lots, get attention, get into arguments, and where smoke is is fire, people flock to that. So you limit arguing, by being always the voice of reason, taking your time to get a good answer, you don't get into drawn out arguments and you look like someone who takes their time scumhunting and making sense out of it all. Nobody can disagree with you after all.

Now this is all fine, and kind of obvious really. Scum love being in that position. If I could get away with it, I'd play scum that way, and in my earlier days I have. As town however, it gets muddled. You shouldn't care about not getting mislynched, and try to find scum with your fellow townies, but who really does that? It's too fun to be in the game, getting lynched kind of sucks esspecially when people the day after say you were just bad town (while they couldn't read you), and disregard your reads and hard work. It's really tempting to become that "good player", who never gets lynched, and comes with a thoughtful playstyle. Sit there quietly and play the game for a while. Everybody would praise you, nobody remembers the person who gets lynched d1 or d2, while everybody still reads along how you finish the game.

This is what makes Maria, without previous knowledge, a person I have to worry about. For one, they are hard to lynch, tend to have most obvious cases covered, so you get to the outlandish stuff that's hard to sell on people. The second, if they are town, they commit a host of tells anyway that I like to use, while otoh have the air of being dependable and having to be played around. It's hard to turn that positive initial read into a scumread, tends to need quite a bit of evidence. People like her tend to trip me up because I know there's town that like to play that way, and it makes sense they would want to, even though I believe it to be an ideal scum hiding place.

Calling her reserved and reasonable then, is double. It could be her playstyle, or it could be a way of measured passivity. Now there were some other tells she committed that I"m slightly miffed about didn't speak up more about back then, but otherwise I'm rather glad I don't have to figure her out. People like Maria are a pain.


p-edit goddamnit people you posted a page in that time.
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Post Post #1374 (isolation #128) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:25 pm

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In post 1355, Road Kamelot wrote:Apparently both me and Errant are scum for not giving a shit abt Maria. i literally had nothing to say to her while i was playing and she never pinged me
On top of that, maria didn't give a shit about you. Not that many people who have both. 2.
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #129) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:28 pm

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And then we get to you vs EP, and you hardcore defended gamma, you come into this day continuing as if there wasn't a scum killed at night, just the leading wagons of yesterday. Then there's that you couldn't be there for the SSBM wagon but the moment the opportunity was there to get another claim, you jumped on the gamma wagon.

idk Road, saying it's "just" this or that we suspect you for, it's a bit too simple. You'll have to dismiss a few more arguments against you.
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #130) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:35 pm

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there's 2 whole people who went for gamma after the claim. And scum would just love to have that opportunity.

Would you say you are townier than Josh then?
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Post Post #1383 (isolation #131) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:44 pm

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"If youre looking for scum who wanted another claim then look for people who would have voted/voted kyouko and then went to gamma"

One. Maria threatened the hammer but stayed on gamma.

"Youve invented a universe where scum really wanted another claim to the point that theyd try to derail a mislynch on town in order to get that claim"

Both wagons were on town though, weren't they? No risk involved, not as if town was going to figure out a flash wagon on you. Might as well get that edge and figure out what gamma is, maybe even get the lynch away from "just" a VT.
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #132) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:46 pm

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In post 1381, kraska77 wrote:I think people are not paying attention to Mtd too.
Rather like to call this town on meta today. There's lower hanging fruit we could have a look at.

Also please don't be thrown off by RK's petulance. She's not actually arguing, she's dismissing every point against her as just being useless and dumb, throwing in some annoyance to make it stick. Just look at her today, either she had a very bad day at work on thanksgiving, or something else is going on.
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #133) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:05 pm

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In post 1390, Joshz wrote:There was a game where some idiot claimed cop, got ccd, claimed a red result on what turned out to be a townie, and then got vigged and flipped vt

That has no relevance I just found it really funny. Transcend who do you plan on vigging if rk is lynched and flips either green or red
Kindly stop being so interested in transcend and look at who you want to lynch. He's given evidence he knows what he's doing, we can trust him another night.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #134) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:06 pm

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actually, I'm doing it again, I'm being nice to josh because I am not voting him atm. Why are we letting him get away with this? Don't really care on which site you play, directing a vig/rolefishing can't be a towntell.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #135) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:09 pm

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oh man, you are tempting me.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #136) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:13 pm

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It's mostly that I excused some of Maria's actions and I'm still rather kicking myself for that. Could be happening again, but then that is stuff affecting me where it maybe shouldn't. But I am making excuses for you, so ~

4am rambling here I am.
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #137) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:15 am

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Transcend, come back? :(

Have you seen my post about connections to maria? Giga doesn't have the most posts, but for that, he's the fourth least likely to be maria's partner of the living people (if you discount me). After kraska, gamma and you. We have plenty of low hanging fruit, that isn't one of them.
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #138) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:15 am

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they are the fourth least likely*
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #139) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:17 am

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In post 1430, Transcend wrote:Bc u have too much resistance lol
what? You had the numbers, pretty sure. Just Kraska wavering because road was throwing a tantrum but that could be fixed.

Now if you want to have some fun and see some movement, how about Jordan?
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #140) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:26 am

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In post 1435, Transcend wrote:
In post 1403, kraska77 wrote:Guys do you really think kamelot would vote mtd right after their buddy does
I like my homegirl's point here

I don't see giga/Jordan team either.
I mean, I could throw a couple of hours on it and limit the pairs I see possible, but idk if that's worth the time yet? I wouldn't want to do that off one vote, people tend to talk differently to their partner vs town, and that's easier to read conclusively. If Road does indeed flip scum I could have a look, makes the amount of reading one would have to do a lot less as well.
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #141) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:37 am

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I mean, I have an explained townread on Giga out there, so it'd make me sad. Josh/EP/Jordan even MTD (though I believe he's town, it's a bit hard to convey it to you why) make more sense by their relation to Maria.
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #142) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:20 am

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In post 1442, Transcend wrote:Explain it quickly or quote it plz
post 1320
In post 1452, Transcend wrote:I respect Road Kamelot and have a small idea on who her main night be. But i might be wrong.
Meh. Can't be bothered. If she wants me to know, I'll know, otherwise it's not really part of the game.
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Post Post #1457 (isolation #143) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:33 am

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In post 1454, Transcend wrote:True.

Did u read my points on minimal road/giga interactions tho
Yeah, I did. idk, plusses and minuses at that point, surely.
In post 1456, Transcend wrote:Ah yes, that. You have decent points, but you also gotta think that interactions can be forced even if they look good.
That's why I never committed on giving MTD points though he had a bit of interaction with Maria. Happened with Josh as well, and a bunch with you, where I couldn't tell for sure if it was scum/scum or scum/town and moved on. You had a lot more posts with maria than mentioned, I'm sure you remember :)
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #144) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:49 am

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yeah, I'm holding back on that. If I do that I'm going to have reads like kraska where the last posts by road somehow affect my entire read of the game, and i don't want that. Easier to go back when they still think they are immune to lynches.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #145) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:45 am

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given josh is off the wagon but has expressed interest in being our 6th vote, are those really intended to be your last words, Kamelot?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #146) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:01 am

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nah, but you showed you could be intense at the start of the game, this day has been you being upset and now resigned somehow. If you do end up being town, today isn't going to give us all that much from you, is it?
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #147) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:44 am

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gosh aren't you guys curious.
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #148) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:06 am

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In post 1475, kraska77 wrote:Kamelot I don't wanna lynch u :'(
You are such a softie :P I get how Maria got to you.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #149) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:08 am

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oh shut up, your whole day has been ate, lol.
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #150) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:18 am

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yeah yeah, I don't know you, I can't read you, etc. We've heard that before. Just keep saying "no" to everything thrown at you and hope someone believes you. I'm reading what you write and that's what I get. It's not the writing style, it's the message.

And I for one know Kraska feels it as well, given how she responded to it. You aren't putting solid arguments out there, still she's starting to feel bad about this whole thing. Guess why. I'm thinking the: "woe is me just lynch me then I guess" messages you are putting out there.

Still, today is fun. I'm enjoying kraska's confusion, that could go places.
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #151) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:51 am

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In post 1498, Joshz wrote:mr expert guy mykonian: i believe jordan is like 60% town. that said, i believe he's never going to be productive itg and could end up causing town to lose in lylo if he is town and i kind of would rather just get rid of that slot. do you think i should lynch him based on that?
nah, as far as I can tell he's up for a replacement anyway. Even then, experienced townies have a habit of dizzying themselves in lylo as well as far as I can tell. Only a couple can claim to be actually quite good there. It's a bit of a different ballgame.
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #152) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:55 am

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I think staring at votecounts is really counterproductive here (and if I were tunneling, I'd say that's why road is bringing it up). Gamma and SSBM wagons formed completely differently. SSBM's formed within little over a page, and the first half of that wagon looks very good, either through how they got on, or their interactions with Maria. It's quite easy to mess up a natural way to get on the wagon. For example, MTD scum, when asked to come back onto Ssbm would have worried about that, I believe. He didn't. Up till the very end of that that wagon looks very town. Which is weird, I admit.

But do a simple analysis of the wagon at the time of lynch, and the fact that some people moved while others sat at the same vote for the majority of the day gets ignored, and you get a flat picture. Try to get the scum to be evenly spread (a flawed premise anyway), and you end up with a mess.
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #153) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:39 am

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In post 1530, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm waiting.
that has been the theme of this day again, yes.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #154) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:12 am

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In post 1533, Errantparabola wrote:myko, your interaction analysis is not good.
oh?
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Post Post #1536 (isolation #155) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:06 pm

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yeah idk, EP comes in with a reads list and the 3 he pretty much sets up for a lynch are three I won't even consider now given my reread. MTD I like on meta, kraska and giga are town from their interactions with Maria. Where those reads of EP come from, it's anybodys guess :/ Need more explanations EP.
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #156) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:56 pm

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In post 1537, MTD wrote:I dont see giga as necessarily town from those?
well given giga isn't the most frequent poster, how many positive interactions they have with maria is somewhat surprising. Positive as in, I wouldn't see scum talk this way with scum.
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Post Post #1544 (isolation #157) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:29 am

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yes, so lets accept that our initial read of EP may have been wrong.

and lynch Kamelot.
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #158) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:59 am

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3 votes to go.
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #159) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:34 am

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we need 3 more backers to make Transcends dream come true! Tell us Transcend, how do you envision this?
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #160) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:36 pm

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yeah, I just wanted to know if you and I had the same vision of that as well. (eating her liver while she bleeds out... maybe you felt the same? no? just me then)
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #161) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:28 pm

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hmm, I like it better really, it doesn't run as big a risk to be dry when you cook it. Eating hers raw? Yeah that's a bit sick.
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #162) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:29 pm

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is there something other than
dinner
you want to talk about? EP perhaps?
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #163) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:30 pm

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In post 1560, MTD wrote:Hey, you started it!
oh, no that wasn't the goal of the italics. I hoped we could talk about Kamelot's lynch next day as if dinner was being served. Could've been fun.



hmm, I feel differently about how wagons arise and stall, giga.
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #164) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:34 pm

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I think the time also factored in with the jumps my thoughts were making. So don't feel bad.
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #165) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:01 pm

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In post 1578, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:the answer here is that we need to really form a consensus on ep before we start the bloodbath
dont be so dramatic. "Bloodbath".

We are getting ready for dinner!

also EP's getting looked at, don't worry. Lots of people have shifted their opinion after the last post, he's not been terribly active, we shouldn't worry about it. Should we continue with this lynch, we'll get another peace of the puzzle as EP didn't want to join us on this bountiful meal. If we don't, maybe it's interesting to see where he wants to take us. Then again, maybe he orders something and just waits for it to come. There's time for that one.

I had a list of reasons on Kamelot, and I wouldn't be sad about eating her.
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Post Post #1622 (isolation #166) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:27 am

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Tengo hambre
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #167) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:03 am

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well played kraska/transcend.

This is where I claim: this game is PR heavy. I'm a cop, Giga was town n1, Joshz town n2. I'm currently watching something, but after this I want to see if I can kick myself out of a tunnel by reading EP. Not sure. But yesterday was interesting as popular opinion went against him, should be decent amount of stuff about that.
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #168) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:13 am

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In post 1638, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:myko you didn't have to claim :/

both of your inspects were obvious town after the EP flip lmfao
You are right. I messed up, being distracted by the game. I planned to claim, but with one scum left I'd have had another day. Well fuck me.

If we do manage to screw this up, I'm sorry.
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #169) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 1644, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:wait how do you know it's PR heavy??
those 2 are the strongest PR's normal mods get to give away. I don't see both of them appear in too many games.


And it's not ok, but I'll tell you after the game, more important things on right now.
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #170) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:30 am

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yeah, hasty post. In many respects. Probably the less said about it the better.

Uhm, if I went on like I have, I'd say MTD town, Jordan scum. MTD's play has made natural sense to me as I know him. I have wanted Jordan lynched for ages.

On topic, I was oblivious that Kraska was the vig, was thinking transcends talking pointed to a limited shot (1 or 2 shot) vig. Might have to do with that I didnt expect a full vig anyway, might have to do with as well that I dont play too much with you guys, and you seem sort of in tune with another, which has made this game a bit hard for me at times. Anyway, what I'm getting at, EP was in a similar position I think, where he didn't quite follow what was going on between you at all times, meaning his partner would have to call this shot?
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Post Post #1662 (isolation #171) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:45 am

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In post 1533, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 1347, Road Kamelot wrote:Errant why are you townreading me so strongly to begin with

I mean yeah the pushes are shit bc im mislynch bait up the wazoo but scumreading me is kinda normal at this point
ahhh. hmm. i can't exactly reveal one of the bigger reasons. that should make sense (to you)
in addition there are some posts that i'll find time to quote and talk about in the very near future.
also theres a lot of stuff after this question that i find good.
myko, your interaction analysis is not good.

I want to say that josh's D2 play is quite town. mykonian is insane town.
In post 1397, MTD wrote:VOTE: Road Kamelot

(I still feel kinda conflicted about this since i did townread her D1 >.< to be fair that was mostly gut)

Pedit(s): Yeeea dont do that. jordan is still the one other person i do want to lynch.
this is fairly awful i think
and jordan is not a good lynch i think
hmm.

im rarely one for readslists these days but if i had to de-nebulize my thoughts right now, they'd go something like

mykonian - "sexy town, both in towniness and general personality"
Transcend, Road Kamelot, Josh - "town. note the absence of sexy. sorry."
nadroj, Gamma - "no major impressions, and overall not very useful slots to me."
kraska - "some mix of the above row and below row"
MTD - "generally poor impression and an ISO needs to be done to collect these thoughts in one place"
gigabyte - "ew"
so the question becomes if this is distancing by EP towards MTD. Jordan is clearly up too high but w/e I am tunneling still. I never got the answer why EP thought the interaction analysis was wrong, and tbf I have had decent results with it in the past, so I think i might know why it hasn't gotten any answers, so there's that. otoh, have to admit, this game hasn't been that great for me reads wise, I had EP on the list towards the end of the day, but not highest, similar with Maria, meaning I'm reading townies as scum quite a bit.

IDK, give it two hours and the chess is over and I can actually read somewhat calmly.
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Post Post #1663 (isolation #172) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:46 am

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In post 1660, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:jordan being town btw means that the entire ssbm_kyouko wagon was town lol
It was townlike anyway, given how rapid and random it formed, I'd be scared of that wagon initially as scum. Would not surprise me either way. Scum would enter far at the end.
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #173) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:55 am

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In post 1665, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i should really start voting people for shit readlists more often it seems
listen to maria, readslists are shit. ;) (unless people have it as a common thing to them, there are a couple who still do it regularly).

Gamma was town from maria, I'll see how he relates to EP, gonna see how that works without keeping maria in mind.


Massclaim is fine at this point from my point of view. I think that's where I could be of some help before I die.
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #174) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:55 am

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but yes, we should have had Jordan and MTD claim before other people would, not sure why giga and josh claimed.
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #175) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:58 am

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gigabyteTroubadour wrote:does it really matter what order we lynch MTD and cop Jordy?
Honour, I want to be right on a lynch someday.
In post 1673, Transcend wrote:Just tr me and it's auto
Yes. Same for Gamma. And you are both good candidates.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #176) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:19 am

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I've started this reread and I'd really like to lynch Jordan if I wasnt counting. Idk, this early game hasn't changed since the last time I analysed that, and I still don't like it. Can I finally sell one of you on that?
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Post Post #1694 (isolation #177) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:29 am

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also, I don't think anyone else did that last time I asked for it, and I'd like you to have a go, first couple of posts, interactions between MTD and Maria, like, around the gamma push. Is that scum-scum potentially or not? Keep in mind that I would expect at least scum-mtd to be somewhat cautious. I didn't count that in my first time of counting, but it is interesting.
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #178) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:33 am

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In post 1695, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i thought it was pretty possible and i asked about it yesterday but a second look won't hurt
sorry, I must have missed that then.
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #179) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:51 am

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the whole game was super inactive for one I've been in, there were so few wagons. I don't think that says much about scum as it said about town.

also I'm getting annoyed rereading :P It's either tunneling or just that obvious, idk. Jordan's game is scummier than scum.

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Post Post #1702 (isolation #180) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:12 pm

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and I see re mtd/maria. meh.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #181) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:49 pm

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page 22, I think jordan was happily coasting, and I think everybody was looking at Gerry as the proverbial lurk. EP calls him out. I think scum might not have done that. hmm.
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #182) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:10 pm

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In post 1330, mykonian wrote:well the issue with EP scum is mostly that his pairs with Road or Jordan require me to jump through some hoops, they don't feel like scum/scum. MTD/EP makes sense to some extent, but I kind of had MTD on the townier side. EP/Josh don't work either. Don't care about the other pairs because they are town from reads/maria interactions.
Don't remember why I thought that, but I did, so tomorrow morning I should see if I can remember what the line of thought was.
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #183) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:12 pm

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In post 1335, Errantparabola wrote:I read maria's ISO and still felt that. Maria was a "high profile player" in that her ISO was long, but she was a low profile player in that her interactions lacked punches or anything to latch on to.
I'm curious to see where that leaves MTD (the player most similar to maria in terms of my impression of him) and to a much lesser extent, jordan in a game dynamic standpoint-- as in how composition of the scum team is based on interaction strength and game control.

my main concern right now is people pushing kamelot in a way that i strongly dislike, and many of those people previously being strong townreads on my part
So this is more or less where we are today.

EP was right. Which is interesting, he was sticking closer to his truth, which is fine, but quite different from how Maria felt. Makes interactions harder to read (as it's shown so far in what I'm trying to count)
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #184) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:13 pm

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In post 1708, Gamma Emerald wrote:I may go full masochistic
I may do a VCA of every VC posted.
Don't bother, day one is barren. If you do it, just day two. It has more choice, more flux, clearer results. Day one is a mess to read vc's from.
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #185) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:21 pm

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In post 1533, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 1397, MTD wrote:VOTE: Road Kamelot

(I still feel kinda conflicted about this since i did townread her D1 >.< to be fair that was mostly gut)

Pedit(s): Yeeea dont do that. jordan is still the one other person i do want to lynch.
this is fairly awful i think
and jordan is not a good lynch i think
hmm.
And here, same people other way around. Don't think there's much here.
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Post Post #1717 (isolation #186) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:23 pm

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In post 1568, XnadrojX wrote:I'm still pretty sure MTD is scum with someone else. Can't make a convincing case but it's just how I feel. Also I'm probably getting vigged tonight so....

gigabyteTroubadour is TOwn
Is this gambitting scum? I kind of see it. But then i'm solidly in the tunnel there.
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #187) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:28 pm

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28 is gamma town
181 mtd, gamma town
284 transcend town
533 jordan town
1537 MTD town

an entire game. Blegh. Yes I got buddied on.


So back to actual reads. It somewhat feels like the scum is outside mtd/jordan from EP's posts, but those are the people I have a townread on. MTD makes sense to me at a very basic level. Lots of little things, and it's really annoying, because there's no way I can actually explain to you how obvious it feels. Gamma is ubertown, I think I get him. Transcend, idk, can go for a scummy if he is scum and makes it in this game. Maybe I hate him and tell you to lynch him in lylo (can you imagine the heartbreak?). Always lynch him over gamma.

And similarly, Jordan feels super obvious scum to me. He's very conciously doing nothing at all, and then getting it wrong on top. But we haven't lynched him for 2 days and idk, today he's barely considered either it seems. idgi.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #188) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:30 pm

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In post 1718, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 1717, mykonian wrote:
In post 1568, XnadrojX wrote:I'm still pretty sure MTD is scum with someone else. Can't make a convincing case but it's just how I feel. Also I'm probably getting vigged tonight so....

gigabyteTroubadour is TOwn
Is this gambitting scum? I kind of see it. But then i'm solidly in the tunnel there.
What's the gambit? He was a viable and likely vig target. I see newbtown accepting defeat more likely than newbscum reminding the vig he exists.
Claiming true info about you so that town might think he faked it when he falls. He's very concious about tacking your info on. Idk.
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #189) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:53 pm

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no, don't lynch him tomorrow. If shit totally hits the fan and everything goes badly, never lynch gamma. You should end up in a 3p lylo with gamma, a confirmed and if transcend is scum, transcend. Lynch him then, when he has gotten so close :twisted:

Key, never lynch Gamma. Just do me that favour.
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #190) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:03 pm

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In post 1773, Transcend wrote:im objectively more obvtown than gamma btw but game's over lol
nope. Gamma is obvtown. You might be very very crafty. If it's between you two, on the last day, you should get the axe :)
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #191) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:12 pm

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In post 1784, Transcend wrote:and i VOTED THE COP
You are forgiven. Wouldn't do to be perfectly townread.

Anyway, I'm prepared to be proven wrong, twist that knife EP slammed into my heart, mtd :( Otherwise go finally lynch Jordan tomorrow, relieve him from this tormented existence.



P-edit2: I am not sure kraska was shot for being the vig, when rereading. The kill makes sense either way.
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Post Post #1802 (isolation #192) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:16 pm

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In post 1793, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:well i mean

a protective should always be on a hinted/claimed PR, especially a vig....
Would be surprised if there was one anyway.
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #193) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:40 pm

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hmm, betting you that you are wrong. If I'm right, you don't shoot me tonight, if I'm wrong, I won't investigate you, k?
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #194) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:45 pm

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I was more thinking along the lines of team-vig with an alternate wincon :lol:
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #195) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:19 am

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In post 1846, Road Kamelot wrote:Yay @ my only good scumread bein scum

sorry myko
Eh, sorry RK as well.

you prove to be an enigma to me, we'll need more games :)
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #196) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:26 am

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Readswise in due time i'd have gotten to maria and EP, but not as quickly as kraska did. MTD would have had to be PoE at this point, I still believe he's town. And I suspect scum kept me alive day 1.

"meh".
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #197) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:30 am

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oh, before I forget, thanks for modding PP!
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Post Post #1878 (isolation #198) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:21 am

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I scumread you till I got an inno on you, lol
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Post Post #1882 (isolation #199) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:09 pm

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sorry for throwing you under the bus ssbm, but at that point I was sort of worried that if gamma had half a decent claim I'd come into the firing line because
some people
got it in their head that the option was gamma or me for the entirity of that day. You were a decent low effort lynch that was outside, so I saw my opportunity to make another wagon without having to push it myself (because that was pretty clearly becoming poison) as kraska was doing that. Given the amount of scumreads I did have, going for a nullread wasn't ideal, but I needed the attention away from me and it was getting too close to deadline where people wouldn't be likely to think outside the box either.

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