Title Fairy: Killer App Edition (Swipe Right!)

[Frozen Angel]

Well yeah I do beleive he was too harsh and insulted chev a lot

But chev needs to avoid applying his personal opinion about the title or person when he is deciding about titles. His job is to decide if the title is overall good and applicable or not. He might nth or anti nom if he has a personal opinion about the title

Thats my opinion. He is doing great just this was something on my mind about this thread.

Edit : sorry chev I was confused on your gender

[Shaziro]

I think it goes beyond "Do I like the thing that happened that they're now suggesting a title about" and into "Does the thing the title is about seem like something good to have remembered and commemorated on the site". I don't think it's a personal opinion about the person.

[TheButtonmen]

As someone who received a title based on negative connotations in the past,

Anti-Nom.

The only reason I keep the current one is because I like being different.

what makes you think accountant dislike it, that i didnt already ask him if hed accept it or that he doesnt like being different (have you read his posts)?

Spoiler: sitechat log

TheButtonmen
(01:16)
Chevres taking a role and part of the site I believe in very strongly down a path that to me ruins the very heart of ti
The TF is to bind the community together
it gives us shared inside jokes
It helps personalize people
Fire Assassin
(01:17)
I don't think Chevre is trying to ruin it in anyway, he just might have different vision.
TheButtonmen
(01:17)
It isnt a cudgel to be used to punish people for posting ideas you disagree with
Your own views shouldnt matter
Shaziro
(01:17)
Does it give shared inside jokes, or just mark them down next to a person's name to help them stay somewhat continued?
TheButtonmen
(01:17)
Servant leadership and all that
Shaz is my title outdated yet?
I'm still a hard ass
Crywolf is still Cayke
Yes some are specific
chamber
(01:18)
I don't feel like it's the ideas chevre takes issue with from accountant, it's the presentation
TheButtonmen
(01:18)
Like Omans or Zoras
They do age
chamber
(01:19)
he infects everything with them
TheButtonmen
(01:19)
but man they are still fun events to reference
chamber
(01:19)
Zora's is pretty great
TheButtonmen
(01:19)
Newbies trying to figure out the title get to see one of MS's better moments
They're walking advertisements to awesome stories
They help build the mythos
Nahdia
(01:19)
tell me a story TBM
i love stories
i love internet lore
TheButtonmen
(01:19)
They let newbies get involved in it
chamber
(01:19)
Zoraster was playing assassins in the palice and shot night 1
cause he thought he could shoot every night
Killthestory
(01:20)
i feel like you discussing it in site chat doesnt help anything
Nahdia
(01:20)
did he
did he win
TheButtonmen
(01:20)
Zoraster joined a game, it wasnt a long inolved game
He was just looking for some light fun
Joined an open with a good player list
Read his role PM, smiled to himself and went to work playing his scum game
Night one rolls around and he sits down, reviews the thread
Picks out someone who's really making themselves obv town
Really just asking to be shot
Nahdia
(01:21)
omg lol
TheButtonmen
(01:21)
Offs them
The mod reopens the thread
Killthestory
(01:22)
who did he off oh glorious storyteller
TheButtonmen
(01:22)
But alas its not the dawn of day 2
It's the end of the game
chamber
(01:22)
Premature Assassination is such a great title too
TheButtonmen
(01:22)
Because poor poor zora forgot to actually read how the setup worked
Nahdia
(01:22)
hahahaahhaha oh gosh
TheButtonmen
(01:22)
See thats the magic of titles
TheButtonmen
(01:23)
They're little pieces of MS history
I used to dislike refernetal titles like that
Shaziro
(01:23)
Ok but I don't think Chevre denied the title because he doesn't like Accountant's ideas.
TheButtonmen
(01:23)
But they've really grown on me over time as Ive gotten older on MS
and scummers have moved on
Shaziro
(01:23)
He denied it because Accountant and him trying to spread his ideas isn't really a source of fun for many people, if anyone.
TheButtonmen
(01:24)
It doesn't matter
TheButtonmen
(01:24)
Is it a good tile for accountant?
Yes or no?
Shaziro
(01:24)
And he doesn't think that something that people don't like should be a title.
TheButtonmen
(01:24)
We dont do that job ot make the judgement calls
about how good a poster you are

[Accountant]

I think that Chevre has made good faith attempts to explain his decisions behind title judgements and that I do not have any issue or serious disagreement with any of them

[Frozen Angel]

I think it goes beyond "Do I like the thing that happened that they're now suggesting a title about" and into "Does the thing the title is about seem like something good to have remembered and commemorated on the site". I don't think it's a personal opinion about the person.

It wasn't to this title only. It was just how I felt. If majority feels otherwise then completely ignore me

[Accountant]

I think excessive personal insults to someone in their own domain is kinda uncalled for

[animorpherv1]

@TBM: I'm sure Accountant is fine with it now. That is not my problem. My problem is that it's not ok to use someone's title as a method of belittling them as people do with mine and I'm sure they will with this. It makes the title feel awful.

[Davsto]

Reject

Deus Vult

. I mostly agree with Davsto and Psyche on this issue. Accountant's outlook on the world is certainly notable, but it's not something to commemorate. Frankly, I think he's caused a lot people needless agony due to his uncompromising nature. I can't think of a time where it was a joy rather than a point of stress.

Fuck literally everything about that.

I don't say that because I personally like the title, I say this as a former title fairy, fuck that rational so very fucking hard. You don't fucking get to play favourites, I don't care if you think Accountant is the biggest piece of shit since Genghis Khan decided to take the mongols on a road trip. It's notable, it's got lasting appeal and it's so very very strongly resonates with him. Get the fuck off your high horse you unbelievable arrogant piece of shit, we don't bother doing the job to get to decide who's beliefs are "worthy" of a title or who's posting we like enough to reward.

Is it a good title yes or no? The second start adding anything else to the decision process then its time to hang up your hat and give the role to some new blood because you've stopped doing it as a service to the site and started doing it to stroke your own ego.

I think you may have slightly misread what Chevre said. When he said about "causing people a lot of needless agony", he's not talking about Accountant in general, he's talking about Accountant's views. Hence why "I can't think of a time where

it

was a joy rather than a point of stress".

And as a result of the way people generally react to Accountant views, the title becomes inappropriate. Especially since those suggesting the title such as Shaziro are those that seem to have been annoyed and frustrated the most by Accountant's views and arguments with him, so that makes me doubt any sincerity in the suggestion of the title itself. The purpose of a title is to celebrate the trait that it represents, not to just acknowledge its existence, and definitely not to subtly (or not-so-subtly) criticise it, such as by the title

literally referencing the Crusades

.

(Also, "lasting appeal" is a pretty arguable term when this is probably the title I've seen the most anti-noms for, ever).

[Killthestory]

nom nahdia for

Yesterday is a Story, Youthful Reminiscence, Once Upon a Time, Clockwork Creative, Vulture Telling (both edgar allan poe quotes), Happily Experienced, Back in my Day (pretty terrible but whatever), Product of the Past, The Past is Never Dead

ideas from sitechat.

EDIT: Looking back, I really really like Clockwork Creative. That references the Edgar Allan Poe storytelling while also having the creative nature of Nahdia's posts. Again, I really like that one.

[TheButtonmen]

he's talking about Accountant's views

correct

the title fairys job is not to judge whos views are acceptable or worth rewarding

thats hubris of an extent that needs to be squashed

The purpose of a title is to celebrate the trait that it represents, not to just acknowledge its existence, and definitely not to subtly (or not-so-subtly) criticise it, such as by the title literally referencing the Crusades.

my title is literally calling me a hard ass and thats fine because its part of who i am on ms

accountant is a believer, he is assured in the rightouness of his cause and will strive forward no matter how many people nay-say him, what barriers are placed in his way or how popular it makes him

he is crusading for what believes is right, it is and will always be a part of who he is on ms

look at ani's title, mykos title or my title for three examples off the top of my head, it's part of who we are, we own it and accountant owns his he isnt going to bend or change who he is for our approval

[Killthestory]

Nom Accountant for

Devil's Advocate.

His views are more than likely not shared by anyone. This is okay. Devil's Advocate doesn't have much of a negative connotation if you're wondering.

Also, one that I wanted to bring up because I still think it's good. Certifiably Perfect. I realize Accountant said he liked this title, but regardless, I still think it's genuinely good. His views are of a utopia he hopes to create, and he strives to be perfect. Strictly Perfect also works because of his strict views on it.

I think both titles have a less negative connotation than others.

[kraska77]

nom nahdia for scheherazade

[Killthestory]

thats good too

nth

[Shaziro]

nom nahdia for scheherazade

nth because I saw the explanation in sitechat, but pls explain.

[Alchemist21]

Devil's Advocate means you don't actually believe what you're arguing. That might be true for Accountant but it's not like he'd admit it if he was.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok explaining the Nahia title thats a character of story teller girl in "one thousand and one nights" and it fits Nahdia's persona so much!

nth

[Killthestory]

oh wait you're right i'm silly.

i still like certifiably perfect.

[TheButtonmen]

Nom Accountant for

Devil's Advocate.

Myko is a devils advocate, Accountant is a true believer

[hiplop]

Not crazy about it, but it seems alright. I think something that isn't just the name would be better, though. Something more unique to nahdia?

[Killthestory]

oh wait you're right i'm silly.

i still like certifiably perfect.

[Frozen Angel]

Not crazy about it, but it seems alright. I think something that isn't just the name would be better, though. Something more unique to nahdia?

Its really unique though

Its exactly her character if you know the book you can judge it

[Davsto]

he's talking about Accountant's views

correct

the title fairys job is not to judge whos views are acceptable or worth rewarding

thats hubris of an extent that needs to be squashed

Okay let me put it a different way

> Virtually every single person I've seen on this forum reacts with disdain to a proportion of Accountant's views when he discusses them, particularly the ones that lead to this title being nominated.
> Shaziro, who suggested the nom, is one of the ones who has shown the most disdain.
> The title is a reference to the Crusades. The Crusades! A series of religious wars where approximately 1.7 million people were killed.

Can you tell me, in all honesty and seirousness, that this is a "good" title? One that isn't intended to insult or degrade? One that is intended as a "gift" to someone that "possess notable traits or quirks that make them outstanding members of the community"?

Admittedly, it's not up to Chevre to decide whose views are acceptable. But that's

not what he's doing

. He's saying that the title is unacceptable

because it is not a positive representation of Accountant's views

regardless of how much he agrees, something which can be told by looking at the people supporting the title and then looking at how they feel about Accountant's views.

[Shaziro]

Hey, please don't say that I suggested Deus Vult, I didn't. I specifically avoided it because I know that Accountant didn't like being compared to a crusader, and instead went for a nom that I felt captured his ideas without being insulting. When I was told that folks thought that was still insulting, I went for another one that was even less likely to be seen as insulting. I wanted to get him a title that represented his ideas having an impact on the community, not to insult him. Again, there's a reason I didn't nth Deus Vult, but did suggest and still support Ideal > Real.

[TheButtonmen]

Admittedly, it's not up to Chevre to decide whose views are acceptable. But that's not what he's doing. He's saying that the title is unacceptable because it is not a positive representation of Accountant's views

I present to you Chevre's post.

Accountant's outlook on the world is certainly notable, but it's not something to commemorate. Frankly, I think he's caused a lot people needless agony due to his uncompromising nature. I can't think of a time where it was a joy rather than a point of stress.

He is categorically not doing that Davsto, if he in fact had said that I'd have kept my mouth shut. Instead he explicitly targets Accountant's views, don't white wash it.

Can you tell me, in all honesty and seirousness, that this is a "good" title?

Yes.

[mastina]

nom nahdia for

Yesterday is a Story, Youthful Reminiscence, Once Upon a Time, Clockwork Creative, Vulture Telling (both edgar allan poe quotes), Happily Experienced, Back in my Day (pretty terrible but whatever), Product of the Past, The Past is Never Dead

That is one awfully long title.
We should probably trim it down.
YiaSYROUaTCCVT(beapq)HEBimD(ptbw)PotPTPiND is slightly shorter!