Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[Io]

VOTE: smith

Fucking lolhammerers

[Io]

Io has green in her role PM g2k

I'm done with lolhammers after that game. Seriously 4 in a row was bad.

[Io]

Io has green in her role PM g2k

I'm done with lolhammers after that game. Seriously 4 in a row was bad.

??? Which game?

This one.

[Io]

VOTE: mhsmith0

You know why.

VOTE: transcend

Kicking his wolf ass in f3 was fun, kicking his wolf ass on day one will be even better!

Lolhammering signups and Inverse Gambler's Fallacy.
tisk tisk. You're not even trying this game.

[Io]

VOTE: mhsmith0

You know why.

VOTE: transcend

Kicking his wolf ass in f3 was fun, kicking his wolf ass on day one will be even better!

Lolhammering signups and Inverse Gambler's Fallacy.
tisk tisk. You're not even trying this game.

Trying is boring. Shit posting is fun!
Why do you think that not trying on page 1 is meaningful?

Adding loaded questions.
Also adding assuming my position.
I never said anything about not shitposting but all you've done is spout scum tells.

[Io]

stop trying so hard we're not even on page 5 yet

zzz

save it for lylo

Be quiet and let the detectives work.

The question was clearly loaded since I didn't say not trying was meaningful. I'm 90% sure that's how that fallacy works, but to be fair I don't care to look it up.

Let's see the list of scumtells.
Lolhammering - Check
Mass use of fallacies - Check
Asking questions day 1 - Check
Hasty defense over a bullshit accusation - check

[Io]

Bold prediction:

(pun intended)

you're both town

Every time a bad pun is spoke a kitten dies of starvation.

[Io]

i prefer puppies

*cries*

Compromise: Let's starve them both

You monster!

We can't just let them starve! If we let them starve then we can't slowly cut into them while singing my favorite song to sleep at night.

[Io]

anyways to make sure i don't get lynchbaited i will provide a picture of a dog on each page

You already failed.

[Io]

You do know the not trying was saying you were being obvious scum right?
Just wnated to make sure you didn't completely miss the point which is what it sounds like.

[Io]

You do know the not trying was saying you were being obvious scum right?
Just wnated to make sure you didn't completely miss the point which is what it sounds like.

[Io]

OKAY LETS DO THIS, THIS IS MY RULES FROM NOW ON:

1. YOU TRY TO READ INTO WAGONS PRE PAGE 10 AND ILL FUCKING TUNNEL U
2. U ASK ME TO STOP CPASING AND ILL FUCKING TUNNEL U
3. YOU FOS ME FOR HAVING THIS STUPID LIST AND IL LFUCKING TUNNEL THE SHIT OUT OF YOU PARTYPOOPER
4.NO ONE CAN OUT SHITPOST MY POSTS

You're scum for not voting so far!
Not to mention YOU ARE TRIGGERING WITH YOUR CAPS PLEASE STOP!

Fos Cloud. Seriously his list is so stupid.

I can't break the 4th point...

[Io]

[vote|io[/vote| partypooper, also im tote down for lolhammmers

Please I'm so Pink I get this party started.

[Io]

VOTE: rb

You did not just copy my joke!

[Io]

VOTE: rb

You did not just copy my joke!

ur joke was shit mine was better

*twitch*

1v1 me right here right now.

[Io]

VOTE: io U ASKED FOR IT GURL

Scratch that.

2v1 me.
I can take both you scum down in my sleep.

[Io]

yeah cloud, io and i are masons. i even crumbed it!!!!

fuck

i

t you're town again aren't you

still keeping my vote

o

n you for 3 pages out of salt.

pedit plz unvote my mason partner

What the fuck man? I'm demasonizing you tonight.

[Io]

VOTE: rb

You did not just copy my joke!

ur joke was shit mine was better

*twitch*

1v1 me right here right now.

lol girls acting tough ooooOooOO

i'm rly scared, don't give me cooties!!

I'm a level 17 succubus. I'll dominate you 6 different ways before cutting your head off.

THATS FUCKING HOT BUT I DONT THINK YOU CAN GIVE CONSEND IF U SLEEP

Succubi don't need consent.

[Io]

Guys, guys. Be civil. You all will get your turn being beheaded.
But rb asked first so he get's the ax first. I'll just go polish up the new Polish guillotine.

[Io]

r u high?

see 75

p-edit: ROFL level 17? SEVENTEEN? bitch i'm a level 90 necromancer, you don't even roll saves vs. my mind control. to the Denny's dumpster we go

Oh please my concubine eats level 90s for breakfast.
His name is Big.

[Io]

Io's not even a grill, it's just this guy with an ~uguu avatar:

Oh you did not just insult Symonne.
That's a deceleration of war.

[Io]

VOTE: BurgerKing

Can we actually lynch this guy for not knowing what a joke is.
Either he's gullible or he is seriously reaching for an early accusation without saying I'm scum directly. That's like a 50% scum chance right there, and no one can argue with that 100% accurate number.

[Io]

i'm just an anime-lover

That's not even an anime you idiot.

But seriously you're not helping your case. By whining about me scum reading you for your half push you just end up looking childish and not even remotely serious.

[Io]

It's ok partner. Just post your dog now.

[Io]

Oh you should have jaust said that in our chat. I can't be expected to hawk every single thing you post outside of it, I already know you're town.

[Io]

Sorry 2 of 12 people are apparently extremely gullible. I should just be 100% cold and serious all the time.

[Io]

he was referring to me and smith. but it includes you too now.

ahhh the number of gullibles just keeps increasing. looks like we're all gullible except Io

I thought it was obvious. It's kind of hard to take that push seriously. I even listed under the reasons he was scum that the push was a joke he was taking too seriously alongside lolhammering signups as AI.
I didn't think that needed to be clarified as a joke.

[Io]

i hope you're not. I'm not even selling anything.

[Io]

hello people i blame sonia for not telling me this started i was at school but I ALSO FOUND SOME INTERESTING STUFF LIKE 3 PEOPLE SAID THEY WANTED TO LYNCH ME CAUSE OF MY NAME I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ME

I got a day start pm.
In fact I see you in the list of recipients of that pm.
Seems like you're the one to have dropped the ball.

[Io]

Hmm. Sounds good to me.

/dayvig VWXYZ

[Io]

Oh shit.

/undayvig VWXYZ

Are you sure about that? That seams kind of risky to be honest?
How about I do that to cloud instead?

[Io]

This is too much responsibility.
I can't do this. I'll just use the modifier to pass the gun to smith since we're just going to masonize him tonight anyways.

[Io]

IO I WILL BE HONESTOKAY? I FEEL LIKE ALL YOUR POST ARE SOOOOO OFUCKING SHALOW. YES YOU ARE CLEVER, YOU CAN MAKES JOKES AND ALL THOSE SHIT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DID YOU EVEN OUT A SINGLE GENUINE READ ? YOU LITERALY TRIED MORE TO GAME SOLVE IN YOUR FIRST 2 FUCKING GODDAM PAGES THAN 20 PAGES IN.

IO, TALK TO ME GIRL

I just throw things at the wall and see if they stick.
Clearly nothing has sticked yet. Though I will say Trans and you are feeling pretty towny. Jae's a gut scum read by their posts so far. Still debating on smith.
Everyone else is pretty much doing nothing or BurgerKing borderline asking to die.

[Io]

Oh I forgot Io, probably null for me but have to reread her.

VOTE: Lil

There is literally no way you can legitimately scum read Trans and not scum read me after how friendly he and I have been today.

[Io]

Oh I forgot Io, probably null for me but have to reread her.

VOTE: Lil

There is literally no way you can legitimately scum read Trans and not scum read me after how friendly he and I have been today.

Your weakest line so far and by a mile girl, this is a shitty reason to not only fos but instant vote someone

Pfh fos's are worthless anyways. They don't even add anything.

[Io]

(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)

why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.

Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.

[Io]

That moment when you're so immersed in Skyrim and you suddenly remember "oh yeah there's that game I was supposed to be doing."
Honestly I don't see why knowing about daychat is a tell at all. I mean that's like the single easiest thing to fake I even did it in my newbie game.

[Io]

Generation X is a hydra with Trans. He can't manage Hydras at all.

[Io]

VC

Yes I too would like a VC.

[Io]

Either Jae or Impoetic is being lynched today.
I did not like any of their votes yesterday, and after going back over and looking through the day Jae and Impoetic's interactions felt very scripted.

And then Jae makes that first post of the day accusing Smith who is not even really close to the top of my scum list.

VOTE: Jae

[Io]

I know, I also still think you are wrong.

[Io]

Yeah, no kidding. Like Jae is basically digging a hole right now.

[Io]

Either Jae or Impoetic is being lynched today.
I did not like any of their votes yesterday, and after going back over and looking through the day Jae and Impoetic's interactions felt very scripted.

And then Jae makes that first post of the day accusing Smith who is not even really close to the top of my scum list.

VOTE: Jae

I could maybe see it as Impo getting spooked over gerry pushing. Anyone familiar with scum meta of Impo/JR, including what kinds of NK's JR and/or Impo tend to make?

Jae's reaction to your reaction to the death alone is making me think he did it. That and Impoetic was super jumpy with is votes yesterday and I just wasn't feeling like Jae and Impoetic's interactions were very genuine.
Frankly I see no reason to not just ax the both of them this second.

[Io]

Vig's feel guild. Scum don't.

[Io]

*guilt

[Io]

VOTE: Trans

In case you missed it on the PT Trans I'm going to distance you a bit so they don't think we are really Masons.

[Io]

You went the whole day joking around with Impo, and at somewhere near the end of the day post 533 you said you were on the fence about them with shortly after saying that you lean town in 572. You even had them down as town in your reads list, but then the very last post of day 1 (773) you said they might be scum. You had absolutely no build up to this change of reads on them, it just happened. That is so scummy that even if Impo wasn't scum that I would still want to rip your head off for that read. It just screams being fake. It looked very much like an attempt to distance after how much you guys had dialogued but not really talked during the day.
I see more of a connection to you trying to buddy with Impo day 1 than the other way around, but I really can't tell if you are just trying to incriminate Impo as being your scum buddy or actually scum budies. What makes me lean more towards you both being scum was Impo's comment in 664 dismissing the idea scum would coach which is exactly what I feel like you 2 were doing, making interactions that just were not substantial and just superficial.

And honestly everything you are posting today is just making things worse for you.
That early push on Smith was disgustingly bad and honestly the kind of thing I would expect from a scum who was disappointed to have killed a VT night 1.
Then this post that you're making me write this stupid response for. There's a lot of things wrong here. First you're fence sitting which I shouldn't even need to explain why that is scummy but I will sense I don't know if you can tell why it's scummy. Scum can't call people town, if they do that lowers the lynch pool and increases their chance to be lynched, scum also can't just call everyone scum because that is such a stupid thing to do. This is where you get fence sitting posts where scum have a dilemma because making reads makes it easier to PoE them. Then you also say that my accusations of you "rub you the wrong way" which already starts off with stating your defense is that my accusation is scummy which is not a defense. You haven't even given any sort of defense to the actual accusation you just accused me, but you didn't. You're still fence sitting not wanting to call me scum for accusing you, and when you say that the posts "rub you the wrong way" you are just drawing attention to the posts as being potentially scummy and not saying why they are scummy. You are wanting someone else to make the accusation because you would be too suspicious to make the accusation yourself.

VOTE: Jae

If your next post does not have reads on me, Impo, Trans, RB, and CCC I will hard tunnel you until you or I die.

[Io]

I asked those people because you were not taking a stance on me, and I has suspicions on Trans and Impo. RB was because Trans was scum reading him and CCC was because I was just making sure you were scum reading him.

I also was not voting you actually. I was voting Trans.

[Io]

I also think Jae has forgotten that I've pushed on them as both alignments and they reacted by omgusing every time. /salt

I haven't forgotten. That's why I made the distinction about paranoia.

But I don't know if you forgot how fake my omgus was to you when I did it as maf.

anyway if you're maf here you've kinda pocketed me now so gj

I still think you're the one pocketing Impo at this point.

Especially since Impo said the same things about my reads (894) that CCC said about yours (985) and you only applied the reasoning to CCC.

Also Impo if you want a fake looking interaction this is a pretty prime example right here. It's a light push on Jae and a small defense from him which is basic read scripting: small push leads to light defense leads to sudden town read.
Disclaimer: Not a legit term, just something Io uses to define "good scum tactics" aka inflating her ego. I enjoy doing this kind of thing as scum because no one notices it unless you've done it yourself. It also only works with daychat or really detailed night planing.

[Io]

I'm also aware Impo didn't say they were town reading Jae, at least I haven't seen it, but that was the example I was using of common read scripting. It's just a way to get artificial town reads on scum partners without putting a whole lot of effort in. Hence why I said the next step would be for Impo to town read Jae.

[Io]

Also still not really comfortable with Trans hard pocketing me. You did that last time you were scum.
Never trusting you again after that game

[Io]

@Trans Paranoid.

[Io]

1) This has been proven false to me through every previous game of mine where I have tried. In fact, I got WORSE at getting my point across every game I tried to do it in.

...I fail to see how

not

explaining would be better than a poor explanation. You're not getting your point across at

all

by remaining silent.

I have not remained silent.
You are not on mafia right now. So no, you're not going to find any mafia after you fail to lynch me.
You just picked out one part and ignored the part where I literally said I can't get my words to do what I want to explain it. I cannot explain it. There's a basis there that I can't explain, and I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words because I can't. Not everyone can manage to spin words their way all the fucking time.

There is a difference between not attempting to explain, and explaining badly. Inherently if you at least gave a poor explanation it would help whereas no explanation doesn't help and is incredibly scummy.
Anyone can say 'X is scummy' and when asked why just say 'they feel like scum.' Now, that's not inherently bad it just means you're not contributing reads at all. But when you say "I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words" that is where the problem with this comes in. If you use this to give a defense for not explaining reads you must also provide the evidence you were using. Not giving explination and not giving evidence is what is extremely scummy. At least if you give evidence then you can say this and it be OK as you provide the evidence and let people draw conclusions, but you're wanting people to find evidence to back up your FoS and then also provide the actual accusation pretty much removing as much of the blame of a mislynch as you possibly can.
This is why I always say this is a scum tell because of how lazy it is and how easy it is for scum to replicate and not take the blame for a mislynch they are pushing to start.

[Io]

VOTE: rb

Those reads were basically the 3 more scum read people currently.

[Io]

Trans, Cloud, CCC, and Smith are all town.
Rb and Jae are both very likely scum.
Impo has potential to be scum if both RB and Jae flipped red.
VWXYZ is probably town.

Hermie and Burger I don't know.

A lynch inside this pool will be god enough fro me to be honest {Rb, Jae, Impo, Hermie, Burger}
In that order.

[Io]

There's no real point to ending the day as long as people are still discussing reads or other things.
There's also no real point to prolong the day if nothing is going on.
The day should just end naturally when everyone feels like it should end. Or like day 1 when no one notices that someone was hammered.

[Io]

Revote to make sure the mod notices.

[Io]

I'm going to hold off voting until after I get done with my classes today. I want to take another look at his ISO first.

[Io]

For someone whose opportunistic they sure aren't jumping on the chance to L-1 you.

VOTE: Burger

[Io]

Gotta go fast.

[Io]

It's a weaker cop.
All Mafia, cops, and vigilantes show up as positive.

[Io]

How did you manage to doublepost with 2 posts between them?

[Io]

Pretty sure Trans isn't scum by this point.
He's killed me in the past for being too good as he put it and I doubt he would let me live last night after I scum read him yesterday.

[Io]

U didn't scum read me though?

U were just paranoid of me

Still, ya boi is town

That would probably have been enough to set you off though.

[Io]

Impoetic is town.

CCC being town makes Smith confirmed scum.

How is that?

[Io]

I am also wondering whos the first dingdong whos going to fos me for posting images and having fun

I'd probably more FoS you for being oblivious.

[Io]

Well while you go on your little witch hunt Jae I'm just going to vote actual scum.

VOTE: Hermie

[Io]

I have no fucking clue Jae.

This is an outright lie.

You're softing a PR claim of some sort or this is continuation of our d2 back and forth. But you're clearly softing something, so fake a cop guilty or say what's actually up.

YOU claim first. I'm not letting you get out of this.

You're not doctor. You saw CCC pretty much claim, and you didn't save him.

So claim.

What the fuck are you going on about?

[Io]

at least i think im funny

I'm certainly laughing at you.

[Io]

Trans join me. Or at least read the latest Mason post.

[Io]

No, Trans wait. Help me make smith claim, please.

You'll be waiting a few minutes.

[Io]

VOTE: VMXYZ

[Io]

No, Trans wait. Help me make smith claim, please.

You'll be waiting a few minutes.

That's fine. I literally need smith to claim first or he is going to wriggle his way out of this.

p-edit: GET THE FUCK OFF VW HE IS TOWN

[Io]

In fact, Io, why aren't you on me right now? You were apparently certain last day phase that I was mafia.

I was until you started accusing Smith.
I at least want to see what you're going to say to incriminate the most townie person here.

[Io]

i think io is maf just trying to vote me with no reason

You've literally accused anyone who FoS'd you and your response to me voting you is to vote me.
Now explain to me how this is somehow confirming you a townie thing to do.

[Io]

Cloud's actually confirmed town.

[Io]

Cloud's actually confirmed town.

Your reasoning?

You claim first.

[Io]

Cloud's actually confirmed town.

Actually, so you're CC'ing me? There's no other way for me to interpret that sentence.

ding ding

[Io]

There is no way you're a town investigative with a 1 shot GS already flipped.

You're correct I'm not.
But Smith is.

He Neighborized Cloud night 1 and me night 2.

Cloud if scum should have immediately killed Smith night 2.

[Io]

Yeah, just like how you and VW are the worst scum team I've ever seen.

[Io]

Cloud is extremely unlikely to be scum.

[Io]

Smith said first thing today he was going to do a massclaim anyways.

[Io]

VOTE: Jae

[Io]

Literally just trying to laugh off my counterclaim.

[Io]

Smith and Cloud are not mafia.

If I lynch you, you will flip mafia. 3 investigatives on the town side I do not believe at all.

[Io]

Even if one of them was 1-shot

[Io]

Well I mean. I could have accidentally neighborized the whole mafia, but I refuse to believe both Smith and Cloud are mafia.
Smith might be since he was only neighborized last night, but I did Neighborize Cloud night 1 and he did not kill me.

[Io]

To be fair Smith and Cloud are pretty nice people.
And Smith was pretty townie the whole game unlike you. Was more inclined to believe him over you.

Plus again 3 town investigatives is not happening.

[Io]

The plan was to just draw out your claim thinking you were a Rolecop and that's why claiming him as Neighborizer to see if you would step down.

[Io]

I'm not necessarily the best person at making gambits to draw out scum fakeclaims.
Still pretty sure Jae's claim is fake.

[Io]

Io if you are town then your play this game has been awful.

You've been extremely scummy this whole game and then claim that the mafia has a neighborizer and role cop. At least think about the claims you make and realize you sound like a buffoon with how unbalanced you propose this game to be.

[Io]

I'm not necessarily the best person at making gambits to draw out scum fakeclaims.
Still pretty sure Jae's claim is fake.

That is LITERALLY the worst possible thing you could have done if you're town. If smith is town then he could have proven it with his fucking claim. Instead, you have lied.

Anyone who fakeclaims gets a fucking lynch from me. I learned my lesson on letting scumfucks fakeclaim and get away with it. I'm not losing another game to that bullshit.

Why? Fakeclaiming drew out your terrible claim.

[Io]

Io if you are town then your play this game has been awful.

You've been extremely scummy this whole game and then claim that the mafia has a neighborizer and role cop. At least think about the claims you make and realize you sound like a buffoon with how unbalanced you propose this game to be.

Shut up. You deliberately ruined the town tracker's attempt to confirm whether they had 2/3 or just 1/3 mafia. You deliberately ruined it and LIED TO DO SO.

So you can stfu.

Yes I am aware that mafia don't have a neighborizer. If you're mafia you're not a fucking neighbourizer and you're just scum with both of cloud and smith. Get over yourself.

You are not a town tracker. You cannot be a town tracker. That does not add up at all.

[Io]

If I was scum knowing ccc used 1-shot on impo I'd shoot impo because she's nearly confirmed town and might be a pr. Like, duh.

To be fair in Jae's claim you could have also been a Tracker or Follower which wouldn't know he would be 1-shot.

[Io]

Wait what did you claim Smith?

[Io]

Yes I am aware that mafia don't have a neighborizer. If you're mafia you're not a fucking neighbourizer and you're just scum with both of cloud and smith. Get over yourself.

Also why would I claim a provable role? Like I might as well have claimed Friendly Neighbor and targeted Smith and Cloud.

[Io]

?

[Io]

Cloud you need to claim asap.

[Io]

VOTE: Cloud

We still have at least one mislynch.

[Io]

L-1

[Io]

Yes you will hammer

[Io]

You're late VW.

[Io]

You know in hindsight if Cloud didn't even realize he was neighborized I probably could have gone the day without ccing Jae and have been able to add another person freely.

[Io]

nice job guys, my claim was fake and yall speedlynched me

So did you actually know that I neighborized you night 1 or did you miss that?

[Io]

Oh wait Cloud just claimed to be a power role not to be mafia.

[Io]

Roleblocker is literally the only role I can think of.

[Io]

Honestly as Doctor rather than CCing a Tracker if you had just said you were a Doctor and there was a Strongman you could have potentially avoided being lynched.

[Io]

Honestly as Doctor rather than CCing a Tracker if you had just said you were a Doctor and there was a Strongman you could have potentially avoided being lynched.

[Io]

i just didnt expect to be speed lynched like, this was obviously a scum wagon on me and no one even noticed how fast it was

It was a dipole before LYLO of course it would be fast.

LOL SMITH because since when ppl speedlynch on a 2 week-day fucking forum mafia bro, seriously if anyone think of blaming me for that. Theres no way in hell would anyone believe my doc claim with a strongarm, ccc was obvious pr and i didnt expect a kill to go trought

I'm almost 90% sure Smith would have been lynched if you claimed Doc with Strongman.

[Io]

Also not to mention if you wanted to heal confirmed power roles there was the neighborizer with you night 2.

[Io]

jae, i claimed vt because i wanted to see if you would hardclaim as scum tracker as to be confirmed mafia from my pov. If you retracted i would know youre scum and if you hardclaimed then i would know ure real, no mafia would put themselves as conf scum from a pr pov. My rxn tests was totally nullified when you ingored me and scum wagoned my ass

I mean to be fair that was also my reason for claiming Smith was the Neighborizer.

[Io]

But from my perspective Jae's claim was a counter claim to my role, but from your point of view you should have known he was telling the truth.

[Io]

You know I actually kind of think Cloud is lying.
If Cloud is a Doctor and Jae is a Tracker then Smith is a ??? Not a Roleblcoker, protective, or informative. So what?
It's a lot more plausible Cloud is just trolling to be honest.

[Io]

But from my perspective Jae's claim was a counter claim to my role, but from your point of view you should have known he was telling the truth.

HOW is it a counter claim to your role? Do you honestly not understand how your role works?

Yes I do. It's an informative role. You know the same a Gunsmith and Tracker.
You were claiming to be a third informative role for the town which is insanely strong in my opinion.

[Io]

You know I actually kind of think Cloud is lying.
If Cloud is a Doctor and Jae is a Tracker then Smith is a ??? Not a Roleblcoker, protective, or informative. So what?
It's a lot more plausible Cloud is just trolling to be honest.

It doesn't feel like a troll here though. If it is my respect for cloud goes WAY up tho.

I know it doesn't feel like a troll, but something doesn't quite add up.

[Io]

Like if Cloud is telling the truth right now then Smith. No matter what you claim your role claim would not make sense at all.

[Io]

But from my perspective Jae's claim was a counter claim to my role, but from your point of view you should have known he was telling the truth.

HOW is it a counter claim to your role? Do you honestly not understand how your role works?

Yes I do. It's an informative role. You know the same a Gunsmith and Tracker.
You were claiming to be a third informative role for the town which is insanely strong in my opinion.

Ok, you don't.

Neighborizer invites players into a neighborhood. It does not tell you their alignment or anything else, it just gives you a chat with them. Regardless of alignment they are still invited into your neighborhood.

MASONIZER will fail if you target scum with it, and as such you can use it to confirm town.

Uh no. Neighborizer is very informative. You get to talk with people very close and that is key in discerning a player's alignment. It's slightly less powerful than an interrogator since other peopel get to listen in on your interrogations, but it's very good at discerning player's alignments. At least that's how I view it. You just need to know how to talk to people and get them to town or scum slip.

[Io]

OK I guess Neighborizer can be flexible since there is 2 mindsets you can use with the role.
You either interrogate people or you just support and let strong town talk at night with each other.

[Io]

Uh no. Neighborizer is very informative. You get to talk with people very close and that is key in discerning a player's alignment. It's slightly less powerful than an interrogator since other peopel get to listen in on your interrogations, but it's very good at discerning player's alignments. At least that's how I view it. You just need to know how to talk to people and get them to town or scum slip.

From a setup POV it's not something that counterclaims tracker/1shot gs. It's something that is designed to complement it.

I don't think that's right, but either way you have to be a Tracker so for some reason it is.

[Io]

So who did you visit night 2?

[Io]

PEOPLE SAYING IM MAF NEED TO DIE

That's what Stalin said.

[Io]

I can make it a 3-way.
I did say I was a succubus after all.

But also pretty sure weak visitor also falls under informative roles. But it's also NU so there's that too.

[Io]

I don't think we should lynch a Doctor.
At some point the Mafia has to kill one of them. If they kill Jae then we know Titus is lying and confirmed scum.
If they ever kill Jae then we get a Tracker who cannot die.
If they kill the Doc then we kill the other. It's simple.

[Io]

*never not ever.

[Io]

Yeah, I don't see how lynching outside the Doctors does anything right now. Mhsmith0 is confirmed scum to me and this smells like a trap to mislynch Hermie and frame me.

Because it forces scum to keep Jae alive by having one of their claimants be on the line.
You are confirmed scum if he or Smith dies and Smith is confirmed scum if you die.
Sure scum can sacracice you or Smith but it still benefits us a lot more to lynch someone than who is not one of you.

[Io]

It does not matter if he is confirmed scum to you. Keeping him alive keeps 2 power roles alive.
Stop being stuborn and play to help the town rather than declaring you will not vote today.

[Io]

VOTE: Hermie

I agree with Trans really.
Titus is not acting in the benefit of the town and I already had suspicions of Hermie.

[Io]

What part of I am only voting confscum today do you not understand?

No amount of shade, provocation, buddying, blackmail, threats or argument will work.

The fact that it is not the best thing we can do.

[Io]

You're the blind one. You don't take a look at the big picture and run around with blinders on. You fail to see how harmful your actions and ideas are and don't bother to even try and act in the best interest of the town. If your philosophy is that any scum lynch is a good lynch you need to just quit and go back to mafia school. Any scum lynch is not the best lynch.

Here is the situation we are in.
If we lynch a doctor claim Jae dies if we are wrong and if right the doc dies.
If we do not lynch a doctor the Mafia cannot kill Jae or the Doctor without outing who a scum. This means Jae will be able to poke around and figure out who is scum.
Not to mention if we lynch scum who is not a doctor claimant today we auto win.

The best possible course of action is to lynch someone who is not a power role or Impo (for obvious reasons.) VW is also probably town.
This means Hermie and RB are both very likely scum. We lynch a scum in that pair we win, we don't and Jae will be able to figure out who the other scum is.

[Io]

Oh and Trans almost forgot about him.
Still would rather RB and Hermie because Trans sounds rational.

[Io]

Yeah the Neighborhood pretty much all of us agreed the only possible scum was Titus.
I really have no idea what VW could have done. I guess he wasn't a UB then?

[Io]

Oh an I wasn't actually a full neighborizer.
I had 2 parts to my role but the second I just never got to use.
I had the ability to add and remove anyone from the chat each night even doing both on the same night.

There wasn't really a point for me to have removed Cloud since they weren't doing anything, and then when I thought about doing it they got lynched.
Everyone else in the hood was basically confirmed town too given evidence.

[Io]

I considered neighboring people for only one day.
The funny thing was I also kind of wanted to do Trans night 1 for funzies since he was claiming Mason with me, but I was thinking he probably wasn't town so didn't.

[Io]

Yeah, just decided not to mention that until I used it.
So then I guess Cloud actually never told you guys I neighborized him? Otherwise why would you check me?

[Io]

Yeah I a bit surprised to see a full Tracker with both a weak odd doc and 1-shot gunsmith.
Then the UB of course. That would have been useful reguardless since even if I died he would have taken control of the neighborhood rather than it dying.

[Io]

I'm pretty sure the thing VW did to get modkilled was the avatar bit btw.

@titus: gj to fight through it, you played well in a tough spot. I think you and trans should have shot me though, since I'd made it clear I was protecting jae and you'd role copped me doc (unless trans was bsing there).

Wait what did he do with his avatar? I was away when he claimed.

[Io]

Yeah I a bit surprised to see a full Tracker with both a weak odd doc and 1-shot gunsmith.
Then the UB of course. That would have been useful reguardless since even if I died he would have taken control of the neighborhood rather than it dying.

Like I was expecting the whole time for Jae to come out and say "JK I'm just a 2-shot".

[Io]

Wait RB replaced out?
RIP me. My top to scum reads before VW came in were RB and Titus...

[Io]

*two not to

[Io]

I'm pretty sure at some point I said my next top scum read aside from Titus was RB or Hermie.

[Io]

You're the blind one. You don't take a look at the big picture and run around with blinders on. You fail to see how harmful your actions and ideas are and don't bother to even try and act in the best interest of the town. If your philosophy is that any scum lynch is a good lynch you need to just quit and go back to mafia school. Any scum lynch is not the best lynch.

Here is the situation we are in.
If we lynch a doctor claim Jae dies if we are wrong and if right the doc dies.
If we do not lynch a doctor the Mafia cannot kill Jae or the Doctor without outing who a scum. This means Jae will be able to poke around and figure out who is scum.
Not to mention if we lynch scum who is not a doctor claimant today we auto win.

The best possible course of action is to lynch someone who is not a power role or Impo (for obvious reasons.) VW is also probably town.
This means Hermie and RB are both very likely scum. We lynch a scum in that pair we win, we don't and Jae will be able to figure out who the other scum is.

[Io]

I like how in the chat I said I was pretty sure you were the Doc, Smith, and you just kind of stayed silent and claimed Visitor.
Really though surprised you weren't just killed for that claim. It was not the best cover up for a Doctor.

[Io]

I mean the only real thing you can logically have tied to his action baring in mind the 2 invests dead he had to be a Doctor or some obscure role, like Weak Visitor.

[Io]

It was even funnier because we also both thought we were being led on and tried to use that to lead the other on.