Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

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Post Post #3000  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:17 pm

In post 2997, nn30 wrote:40 minutes later - no response from Zoro.

Talking to Boring in day chat and coming up with a plan are we?

In post 2998, nn30 wrote:Funny timing on him no longer replying too. Pretty snappy conversation up until I accused him of being scum.


There's this magic thing called 'Work' where I can't spam reply all day in sequence.
Also facepalming at your nonsense questioning.

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Post Post #3001  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:18 pm

Official Vote Count 4.08
LynchingWith 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

boring (2): Prism, nn30
Dierfire (1): boring

Not Voting (4): Dierfire, Zoronos, BlackVoid, implosion


V/LA: boring

Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-27 11:30:00)
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"

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Post Post #3002  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:23 pm

Speak of the devil, he's back! And he simultaneously seeks to appease me by answering my question while also discrediting my position with ad hominem arguments!

Wowy zowy!

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My path forward is fairly clear. Today Boring, tomorrow Zoro.

If Boring flips vanilla scum, there is absolutely-no-way-in-hell that Zoronos is jailkeeper. That means that exactly 1 scum member has enough power to counter 3 power roles. I've never been on any mod committee but I imagine that'd never fly.

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Post Post #3003  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:27 pm

Actually, I incorrectly invoked ad hominem arguments.

Still - he tried to discredit me without actually engaging with anything I've said or done. He just wants to hand-wave them away as nonsense.

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Post Post #3004  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:39 pm

Look, it's been obvious since Day 1 that I wasn't making it to LYLO, and I can live with that. But I'll be damned if I have to be killed off early and still have to suffer a loss.

What the hell are you smoking, nn30? Do you honestly think Zoronos is scum?! I've been resistant to the idea that you're scum for a while now because there were scummier players in the game, but this reeks of desperation.

Because here's the thing: Once I'm gone, mislynches are going to be pretty thin on the ground. I've been spending the last week or two assuming that the scum team is S_s/BV and Dierfire. But if it isn't, and you're the scum, then I can see a reason to panic. If it's actually you and Deir (which would explain your recent lines of questioning), then you'd have to manage one more mislynch among Implosion, Zoronos, Prism, and Black Void. I guess I could be totally wrong, and it could be you and Prism too.

Actually, @Prism - What do you think of nn's sudden turn on Zoronos?

I guess you being scum would also explain why you're so very twitchy about the slightest hints that you might be scum, and why you always try to force others to do the research for you. It's a pretty typical power play, and it's something I've been observing all game. I had pretty much chalked it down to your personality, but if someone's doing a meta dive, they might as well check for that.


p-edit: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO ONE LYNCH ZORONOS!

VOTE: nn30

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Post Post #3005  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:43 pm

What, exactly, is desperate about this?

Why, as scum, would I stick my neck out in this way? Zoro is one of the most town read players in this game.

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Post Post #3006  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:44 pm

@Boring - please meta dive me. I think you'll find my styles between this and my completed scum game to be wildly different. What you decide that means is up to you.

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Post Post #3007  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:45 pm

I take it back. If it was nn30 and Prism, they'd still have Dierfire for tomorrow's mislynch. It's got to be nn30 and Dierfire. There's no other reasonable explanation for this behavior.

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Post Post #3008  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:46 pm

In post 3006, nn30 wrote:@Boring - please meta dive me. I think you'll find my styles between this and my completed scum game to be wildly different. What you decide that means is up to you.

How about this: you meta dive yourself and show us how they're different. Take responsibility for your own arguments rather than delegating to other.

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Post Post #3009  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:50 pm

I already answered this
In post 3005, nn30 wrote:What, exactly, is desperate about this?

Why, as scum, would I stick my neck out in this way? Zoro is one of the most town read players in this game.
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In post 3004, boring wrote:Because here's the thing: Once I'm gone, mislynches are going to be pretty thin on the ground. I've been spending the last week or two assuming that the scum team is S_s/BV and Dierfire. But if it isn't, and you're the scum, then I can see a reason to panic. If it's actually you and Deir (which would explain your recent lines of questioning), then you'd have to manage one more mislynch among Implosion, Zoronos, Prism, and Black Void.


To expand, I speculate that you two must have thought of some fancy little scheme, and you're pushing to test the waters. You've already gotten away with back off a read and sheeping town already with the "I can't trust myself" excuse, so why not pull it again?

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Post Post #3010  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:54 pm

Nah. The point of a meta dive is to come to your own conclusions. I can't force that on anyone.

I still want your flip today Boring.

What'd you get out of your 'reaction test' from earlier by the way? Interesting that you explained it that way but never actually followed up.

*shrug*

I also want Implosion's take on everything that's just happened.

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Post Post #3011  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:55 pm

Do I really have to point this out?

A prism/nn scum team is super unlikely because we've been town reading each other basically all game. That's about as deviant from the norm for scum play as it gets.

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Post Post #3012  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:58 pm

retract 3011 - Boring already back tracked from that idea.

I still don't think an nn/dierfire scum team makes sense. I was the first one to make a scum case on him. Before that he was just a big '???' for everyone.

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Post Post #3013  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:04 pm

This reaction has made me pause to think.

Boring as scum - hard buddying a (scum) Zoro means it's reverse psychology.
Boring as town - this is a genuine response.

Hey Boring if you're town and you think Zoro is town, give me some setup theory to back this up.

Right now if Zoro is really town jailkeeper I see 3 power roles on town's side and 2 scum roles left to counter-balance that. With a town ascetic, this is certainly plausible. This also fits with the paradigm of Shadow_Step/BlackVoid being town ascetic as it lessens the power that scum need a little further. This also means that the scum team is Prism/Dier. I'm struggling to find that likely since I town read Prism so hard.

Yeah your turn now. Convince me town Boring.

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Post Post #3014  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:58 pm

Yeah.... not touching this one with a 10 foot pole.
Setup speculation no thanks.

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Post Post #3015  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:10 pm

Well I've gotta say, I'm convinced now.

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Post Post #3016  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:11 pm

Cool sounds good.

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Post Post #3017  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:23 pm

The wiki is lacking in this area. I couldn't find anything that talks about setup balance.

Somebody want to point me in a useful direction here?

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Post Post #3018  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:34 pm

I've got time later tonight that I can hopefully do something with.

In the meantime still not buying the boring reaction hammer. I'm assuming it wasn't a failed selfhammer because you don't do something like that without counting the votes first, but it still doesn't make her town.

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Post Post #3019  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:34 pm

I've basically ignored the past few pages of black/nn but I'll go over them and see if there's anything new or worth following up on.

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Post Post #3020  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:17 pm

In post 3004, boring wrote:p-edit: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO ONE LYNCH ZORONOS!


I want to talk about this right here.

It makes me think Boring may actually be town. The scum motivation here is to 1) throw a hail mary and throw us off the scent if Zoro is actually her partner. The other scum motivation is would be to MAYBE not die today, but I find this unlikely.

The town motivation says 'here is my last will and testament. When I flip town, let it be known that I SUPER town read Zoro.'

The town motivation weighs SO much more than the scum motivation in my eyes.

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Post Post #3021  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:46 pm

In post 3010, nn30 wrote:Nah. The point of a meta dive is to come to your own conclusions. I can't force that on anyone.

The point I was making is that you are delegating case-making again, rather than doing it yourself. It's especially blatant when it would take us hours, and you a few moments. As I said before, it's a power play. It allows you to sit back and blame others for not doing your legwork.

In post 3010, nn30 wrote:What'd you get out of your 'reaction test' from earlier by the way? Interesting that you explained it that way but never actually followed up.

because it was instantly negated by the mod's post, which appeared directly after it. It's a risk I run using a move like that.

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Post Post #3022  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:15 pm

I have no clue where you got this power play bs from. I'm asking for opinions from town because I care where people's thoughts are. Nobody seems be interested in driving discussion so I'm doing it myself. You can drop the 'power play' argument - it's bad.

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Post Post #3023  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:30 pm

I'm still inclined to vote for boring. I don't believe that "pretend to self-hammer" gets any meaningful reactions. It's more likely that she missed implosion removing his vote in .

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Post Post #3024  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:33 pm

Can we just lynch Boring and get done with it?

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