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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:34 am

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Mastin isn't playing

P.edit - I think statistics have been done for newbie games but idk about other games

Wish we knew if these read the role pm and replaced or never read them.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:39 am

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Not familiar with it. Have a link?
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:40 am

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In post 12, Io wrote:Of which is a rd of the player list that replaced out so yeah statistics show 1's probably scum.
Well to be fair we could all pick 4 names and have the same percentage that 1 is scum.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:45 am

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Oh yeah tells on the wiki are almost always inaccurate
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Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:52 am

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In post 21, TheseViolentDelights wrote:This is my first game onsite, actually!
Why skip the newbie que?
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Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:45 pm

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In post 28, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 27, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 26, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: havingfitz

You aren't getting away this time.
What happened?
Nothing happened. I'm just participating in RVS.
Rvs usually has a random reason. This doesn't seem random
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Post Post #37 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:31 pm

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In post 36, Aristophanes wrote:I don't have a clue why anyone would replace out with this role!
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Post Post #50 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:59 pm

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In post 40, MisaTange wrote:
In post 39, FrankJaeger wrote:Im here.
Any current opinions? Like Ari's entrance?
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Post Post #52 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:00 pm

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In post 45, TheseViolentDelights wrote:town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post
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Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:06 pm

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Knowing if somebody is or isn't an alt isn't ever going to be helpful for the sake of the game though.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:44 am

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^don't like that post. You don't always have to justify your reads. Especially not early day 1. I don't like the attempt to discredit his scum hunting style.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:54 am

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He explained his reasons for uzi. So why misrep that?
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Post Post #146 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:55 am

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He didn't explain his reasons for his other 2 but he doesn't have to. Plus I know players who intentionally don't give reasons to garner reactions. Idk if it is actually useful or not, but they do it.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:30 am

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In post 147, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 145, TwoFace wrote:He explained his reasons for uzi. So why misrep that?
I didn't. He said he had no reasons for two other scumreads.
But you did cause he gave reasons for the person he's voting and you said he gave no reasons.

He doesn't need to give reasons for all his scum reads, especially early day 1.

If it's later in the day or something you would have a valid point
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Post Post #155 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:35 am

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In post 151, TwiszTed wrote:And I acknowledged those reasons.
Yet you said he didn't give any...
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Post Post #158 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:35 am

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In post 154, Eric Rasputin wrote:
In post 152, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 150, Eric Rasputin wrote:Question: Can we role claim ?
Please don't.
So does that mean I can? Its just a question though
Players are allowed to roleclaim yes

It's preferred you don't until somebody gives intent to hammer you
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Post Post #159 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:36 am

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In post 144, TwiszTed wrote:What scum hunting? He has stated no reasons.
Yet this came after that. This is a false statement
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Post Post #163 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:40 am

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In post 160, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 155, TwoFace wrote:
In post 151, TwiszTed wrote:And I acknowledged those reasons.
Yet you said he didn't give any...
HE DIDN'T, FOR TWO OTHER FUCKING SCUMREADS

Holy shit you can't be THIS dense.
I'm not being dense. I'm taking what you said and pointing out that it's not true. Now maybe you didn't phrase it properly, but the original statement you made wasn't true.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:41 am

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In post 161, Eric Rasputin wrote:ROFL .. I like how you guys change your vote so easily when a dark horse suddenly appears ... Too easy

I am a townie and not mafia ... Dont regret it when the KP comes out ... This is my first time playing here, do you really think a mod would make a newbie here a scum? I think not
Roles are randomly assigned. So yes a newbie could be scum
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Post Post #173 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:02 am

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In post 167, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 166, Eric Rasputin wrote:KP is kill post ... And calm down son, you're the one who is oozing scummy behaviour ... You are posting too much and aggressively participating ... Another scum move
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68788

Guess I was REALLY scummy in THAT game. Right? :lol:
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Post Post #174 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:04 am

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which player were you? Don't see your name.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:06 am

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Yeah I see it further down. Mod didn't update the top player list.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:35 am

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VOTE: misa
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Post Post #210 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:49 am

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In post 207, MisaTange wrote:
In post 206, TwoFace wrote:VOTE: misa
why

if you're sort of angleshooting (bc im posting on a different game), this is really not the time
Not sure why you even would think that's the reason. I voted you cause I think your vote on Eric is garbage. Your reason for voting him is garbage and I disagree that him wanting to rush the day is a scumtell. Looks like going after an easy target which I feel is more likely to come from town. Some of Eric's posts aren't great but nothing looks like they have scummy intentions. Yours on the other hand do to me.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:37 am

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What makes you think he's faking?
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Post Post #260 (isolation #25) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:49 am

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do people really think eric could be scum? like where is the scum intent in his posts? I clearly am missing something
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Post Post #262 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:52 am

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i am still not a fan of her, but tbh I don't have any strong reads. my vote is more of a gut thing atm until I have something better to work with
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Post Post #263 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:46 am

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mod, in case you didn't see it you will need to replace TwistedTed
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Post Post #267 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:47 am

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wonder why IO replaced out.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:50 am

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In post 268, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah that was odd. A part me thinks she doesn't feel like likeshe'll get along with many of the players here but that's just based on my last game with her.
well I get that, I don't really like a lot of the players in this game
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Post Post #275 (isolation #30) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:54 am

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oh ok uzi
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Post Post #278 (isolation #31) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:59 am

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In post 277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Mafiascum is life.
this

a year away from this place might as well be a lifetime ban
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Post Post #281 (isolation #32) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:17 am

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:facepalm:
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Post Post #284 (isolation #33) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:05 am

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In post 283, MisaTange wrote:her replacing out is NAI imo regardless of reasons
1. I didn't ask you
2. I don't agree with you
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Post Post #287 (isolation #34) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:19 am

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yes just thinking out loud, he responded to me so he didn't have to ask me. any comment made toward me will get my response whether it was asked for it or not
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Post Post #290 (isolation #35) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:22 am

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Don't you think?
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Post Post #299 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:03 am

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In post 292, Hiraki wrote:his is where you can try and sell me on misa again
It's really just a gut read ATM. Not sure it's strong enough to sell anyone on
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Post Post #335 (isolation #37) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:23 am

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VOTE: gamma

His vote on luv was bad and reaction after luv claimed seems fake.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:00 am

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But gut is a legitimate reason to vote
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Post Post #340 (isolation #39) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:05 am

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So I guess you're either clueless town or scum trying to mislynch
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Post Post #343 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:56 am

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In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Actually, TwoFace has been defending and backing Eric up. May we know the reason? and i saw no scum-intending posts of Misa whatsoever.
I'm confused. You quoted my reason yet asked me for my reason. Why?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #41) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:01 am

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In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:TwoFace (There's no reason a town will try to defend someone D1 exept if they are scum and know he is town to get on the good side or defending a scum-bud and when the scum flips, Say "If was scum, Will i buddy a maf so early?" Maybe I'm overthinking abut it but I may be very right.)
so why rule out the possibility that I think Eric is town and I'm defending him cause that's what you do for town reads? You seem like an experienced player so leaving that out of your possible scenarios is odd.

Eric as I said earlier is an easy target. I fee like he's going to be a mislynch. I'm going to try and prevent mislynches if I can.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #42) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:35 am

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In post 346, havingfitz wrote:Eric....pretend you are scum. Would you expect that saying you are town is all it took to remove suspicions towards you?
this is dumb, i expected more from you
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Post Post #352 (isolation #43) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:35 am

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In post 349, havingfitz wrote:TwoFace: Very active(good). Early stat theory fluff (~bad).
Shades mason (bad). Misreps (bad) Ted and gets into tiff. Naked
Misa/mason vote (bad). Defensive of Eric (ffr). Says vote on Misa is
gut (Post 262) despite having just given
several reasons for voting her (bad).
Reiterates vote on Misa doesn't have a lot of merit.
General snarkiness. = Scum lean.
Early stat theory stuff is null since that was the conversation going on - to say otherwise is scum motivated imo unless you can explain how staying active in the conversation is bad which nobody can cause it's not.
Shade mason? Where? - pretty sure I didn't so possible misrep here
I certainly didn't misrep ted. Misrep in your part
Naked votes aren't bad - you should know better than that
Defending a town read one who's most likely lynch bait - protown.
Vote on gut but gave reasons is somehow bad? No because gut is usually able to be explained by pointing to things. If you were a newb I could see you making this mistake but you aren't a newb
My vote on misa was good imo, reiterating it isn't bad
Snarkiness - this is non ai, especially since it's my personality

So fitz is probably scum. Too many non ai or non truths being twisted into appearing bad. No way an experienced town player comes to this conclusion.


VOTE: fitz
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Post Post #353 (isolation #44) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:35 am

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In post 351, Hiraki wrote:havingfitz im v disappointed that you could give eric a scum lean

i thought you would agree with my mindset
There's no way he's town. It's obvious Eric is town. vote fitz with me
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Post Post #356 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:32 am

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In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm just going to say that outing a partner was what I felt was the most pro-town thing to do.
well you are inexperienced. outing the mason buddy is not a good idea at all.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:37 am

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the biggest problem I see with fitz post is he is discrediting people who voted for the masons, when nobody voted a known mason. Just because somebody voted somebody who later claimed mason doesn't mean their vote was bad.

not sure what the term is but he is basically discrediting anyone who voted these people like their play was somehow good. Some people think (myself included) that masons always come off as scummy because they have their own conversations away from the game thread and they can act in a certain way that other townies wouldn't normally act. I know this first hand cause one of my recent games was a mason and my play that game was way different.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:27 am

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In post 358, havingfitz wrote:@TwoFace... You hadn't received a vote yet so it's good to see how quickly you reply with a vote on me in kind. As for your response to my assessment on you:
First you voted me or did you forget?

That doesn't matter though. Your attempt at a case on me is the kind of garbage I don't see town making. Some of your other posts I don't see town making, especially you who I know is a decent player.

To somehow imply my vote on you was bad just shows you can't be town
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Post Post #361 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:30 am

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In post 358, havingfitz wrote:@TwoFace wrt post 357. Why can't I use the mason claims (until they are shown to be false) to discredit any pushes made on them? I
I already said I can't remember the term, maybe chainsaw defense? Idk it looks like you're buddying them by calling the people voting them scummy. The votes could be justified but you don't seem to consider that. My vote on misa was completely justified. I don't give a shit if he's a mason, that doesn't change my opinions and I certainly am not going to change that now. I was wrong cause he is town, but that doesn't mean I'm scum or even scummy.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:47 am

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In post 362, Hiraki wrote:
In post 358, havingfitz wrote:And your Post 331 seems to hint at you at least being open to considering that Eric could be scum.
moreso just trying to stir discussion, i won't vote eric this game

your analysis is almost spot on except that I also think that eric is lying from a town position - it's a radical theory but it's a theory. how do you feel about that aspect?
Idk if I'd say his analysis is spot on.

I could see Eric lying to inflate his experience though idk why he would.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:10 am

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In post 358, havingfitz wrote:I viewed your Post 33 comments towards LUV as trying to plant seeds of suspicion (shade) on him.
If stating facts is casting shade to you, sure you could say that but luv didn't use a random reason and I was justified in pointing that out. That's called scum hunting, something I know you know how to do. You're only twisting it against me now given the mason claim but that doesn't change anything. Facts are facts. Pointing them out is protown, not scummy.
In post 358, havingfitz wrote:As for the Ted misrep...you claimed Ted inferred Eric had to ~always justify his reads and that Eric "gave no reasons" for his votes.
Ted said Eric didn't explain his reads. I called him on it because he did explain one of them. Was it a mistake by ted? Probably but again I pointed out the facts. I didn't misrep anyone.

In post 358, havingfitz wrote:I'm not saying your naked vote on Misa is bad...I'm saying you voting a mason is bad.
So my vote was only bad after they claimed mason? Bullshit and if you're town you would know that. sorry the mason claim doesn't automatically make all votes on that person scummy. I guarantee I could find examples of you voting a person who later claimed a PR. That alone would give any town player pause. The vote on a mason alone means nothing, especially if the person was justifying their vote which I did.
In post 358, havingfitz wrote:Defending a town read...I just point it out for future reference. Null atm. Defensive much?
If it's null there was no reason to mention it. And yes I'm defensive all the time. Why mention it like it means something? If you dare say defensive is scummy I'll destroy this game making sure you get lynched cause site meta has proven time and time again defensive is a charachter trait of a player and not a legitimate scumtell.

In post 358, havingfitz wrote:I viewed your description of voting Misa as gut more than once after giving several reasons as your ways of backtracking on the vote...giving yourself a little deniability if Misa were lynched and to flip town. A softening of your stance on her while at the same time maintaining your vote on her.
Gtfoh. Explaining why I have a gut read on them and keeping my vote on them is giving myself deniability of softening my stance? You can't be serious. By adding to my vote I'm commuting myself more to that read making it harder to get away from it. You aren't this bad.
In post 358, havingfitz wrote:In hindsight voting town (mason Misa) is bad...yes? Voting town in bad...yes? We have more information at our disposal following the mason claims so that colors your vote on Misa negatively. Comprehend?
Is voting misa before I knew she was amasin bad? 100% no way
Is voting town bad? Sure but I didn't know she's town so you can't use that against me.

I guess I do need to find games where you voted a town PR. The fact you act like town can't be wrong and it automatically makes anyone who voted a mason scummy means you're hypocrite or scum.

I mean technically you're voting town right now havingfitz, so you're bad or scum your self. I'll gamble with scum because your entire points against me is at best Examples of good town play, at worst NAI
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Post Post #366 (isolation #51) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:14 am

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That didn't take long. You pushed a lynch d1 on a town pr and you weren't scum - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6973570

What you did was way worse yet somehow my justified vote on an unknown who later claimed mason means I'm scummy?

Yeah you're scum.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #52) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:24 am

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In post 363, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:TF seems to be being his usual self, although he did seem a little protective than need be of Eric early on when it came to his play style.
Mainly because he looks like an easy target. Scum salivate on these kind of people. People like to discredit the top scummy to be scum theory but I've seen it proven a bunch. Hell in my early days I was victim to it myself.

I'll look at the people voting Eric later but I don't think he's a good lynch today (well ever but I do realize I could be wrong about him). I just don't see scum intent in any of his actions. Even n00b scumis going to try and look
Town, he doesn't look like he's trying to do that.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:33 am

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In post 140, Eric Rasputin wrote:Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason ;) .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon
@Fitz

You said this is a bad post. Please explain to the class why on earth if he were scum would he dare say such a thing.

Once you're done I'll explain why scum would not make this post
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Post Post #371 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:49 am

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Let's not forget that havingfitz also suspected a mason. sure he didn't vote him, but that shouldn't matter.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:55 am

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In post 178, havingfitz wrote:@LUV...not a big fan of the "TVD might be the most
optimal play" theory you are suggesting. Said when you still have an
RVS vote sitting on me and when your next vote winds up on Eric. This
after your post 109 where you say TVD would have the strongest chance
of flipping scum if he was a D1 lych candidate.
So @fitz, this post to me proves what I'm saying. A pr can make posts that appear scummy and the suspicion towards them genuine. If you were town, you should have conceded that before you decided to cast shade on anyone who actually voted one of them.

The only difference is you didn't actually cast a vote but if you're town that shouldn't matter.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:39 pm

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In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Actually I asked for the reason and assumed the reasons you will have.
I'm confused still. I've given the reasons why I think Eric is town already and I gave reasons why I was suspicious of misa. So what exactly are you wanting from me? If you can be more clear I'd appreciate it.
In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Have you ever seen Eric play? His posts are no where near the townie post. He says he has 7 year mafia experience but has he come up with any good thing to get him as town? You'll only know he is town if you are scum or you have played with him before. Noone defends someone unless he has some good posts spot on. Now, I'm thinking you are trying to get on a good side of Eric. You are scum either way. How are you so damn sure it will be a mislynch? Give me reasons how/why Eric is town.
No I've never seen him play.
I disagree with you because I don't see any scum intent in his posts. That post he made that says he doesn't work with others is 100% a townie post. No way scum says that ever. It's counterproductive to what scum need to do to win. They need to blend in and deceive town. That's the opposite of that. That's town and I'd stake my life in this game on it. Anyone pushing him as scum are scum themselves or blinded by stupidity.
I most certainly am not scum either way, cause I'm not scum at all. Nice try buddy
In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:This is dumb? How was that dumb?
yes it's dumb. It was a pointless filler post that really served no purpose. It also implies fitz knows Eric is town.
In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:How many gams have you played, TwoFace? Your OMGUS is pretty suspicious at this moment.
Over 100 easily on this site alone. And I could see why you think it's omgus but it really isn't. But even if it was, omgus isn't scummy. It's not omgus cause I provided multiple reasons why he was scum. I didn't just say FU for voting me so I'll vote you. I provided actual content and analysis and the fact that you ignored all that and brushed it off as omgus is bullshit
In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Because he voted you, He isnt town? Straight OMGUSing.
Thanks for proving you haven't read my posts. If you're town you have the responsibility to read my posts and consider them. Don't just write me off as omgusing. Cause tbh even if he didn't vote me I would have ripped him apart.

Go read the part where he's basically calling anyone who voted the masons bad, but he was scum reading one of the masons which means his basis for that assumption is bad. Also look at the example where he as town previously led a lynch on a town PR which also means HISTORICALLY his thought process is flawed.

A person votes a scummy person who later claims a pr, doesn't make everyone guilty. That's how he's treating everyone though.
In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:And you might say i am defending Fitz right now but i always defend someone who is being OMGUS'ed. OMGUS is no good for town. It only ends up having two townies under the radar or a scum putting a town under the radar.
Learn the definition of omgus please. the fact that I've made a case means it's not omgus.

My case > his case.

Now if you disagree with my case, feel free to explain what parts I've got wrong but don't sit there and ignore it and discredit it as omgus.

he was on my radar before he voted me
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Post Post #378 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:49 pm

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The fact that Eric made 2 posts early implying he thought new players to the site get VT roles is plenty to say that's a legitimate town slip. If that's fake I'd really be surprised.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:06 pm

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In post 379, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:I had read all posts but why didnt you put up the case before he voted?
His vote came right after he made that big ass post where he basically scum read/scum lean everyone who voted a mason when he was casting shade on a mason himself. Then I read his points against me and they were either not true or not alignment indicative. His entire post was bad imo m

You supposedly have previous mafia experience so I'm not buying that you honestly think omgus is scummy. Anyone who's not a true n00b should have learned after 2/3 games that omgus is just a thing that happens (and more often than not is mislabeled like this time)
In post 379, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:And why do you think voting Eric is stupid?
Because I really don't think he's made any posts that had scum intent. He explained his reason for uzi and I can actually agree with it. Especially since he's Mason. Masons often come off as scummy as I explained earlier. That was the case in the game where I was masons with somebody. My buddy who was trying to figure out the game ended up looking scummy when we lynched scum. It's hard to explain.

Outside of that he's town slipped (in my opinion) and his "I work alone" post no way came from scum.

And no new players don't automatically get a vt role, but because he thinks it, means he's probably a vt himself and has townslipped aka made a post that comes off as geniuine and almost confirms him as town (to me anyway)
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Post Post #385 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:24 pm

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Look at his post
Ari - votes a mason (bad)
Ted - questions Eric's vote on a mason (good)
TwoFace - shades mason (bad) btw this didn't happen, votes mason (bad)
Gamma - votes mason (bad)
Eric - votes mason (bad)

But fitz had one of the masons as a scum read. All these people can't be bad without fitz being bad himself.

Side note - he was voting your slot and unvoted cause he said your contribution was good. Sorry if this is going to hurt your feelings but you made 3 posts when fitz says that. First 2 are nothing and the 3rd was a catch-up post which are NAI and you voted Eric.

Could be fitz trying to pocket you cause that 1 post from you wasn't that great, certainly not enough to drop a scum read. You should be null, not town.

All his scum leans conveniently are the people who thought one of the masons could be scum. That's blatant buddying to me. It's like he's ignoring the points they made just because they were made on a mason.

I stand by my points about misa.
I agree with Eric's points about uzi

I don't know about the others who voted uzi.

The only thing I can't understand is whyis fitz hard town reading hiraki and tvd. I don't think he ever explained either reason and his attack
At uzi came when uzi was considering tvd as possible scum.

This could be something worth looking into later.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:26 pm

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In post 381, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like, I can straight disprove that all newbies get VT. I got cop my first game.
Yeah we know it's not true but he made 2 posts that implied that is what he thought and call me a sucker but I don't think scum makes that post. Not when you pair it with the "wait til you see the kill report"

That all reads town to me.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:28 pm

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In post 382, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:If you agree with his reasons, Mind explaining how his first reason wasnt baseless?
Who are you talking about here
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Post Post #389 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:31 pm

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@fitz. Please explain why tvd is a town read and why you seemed to come to his defense here
In post 178, havingfitz wrote:@LUV...not a big fan of the "TVD might be the most
optimal play" theory you are suggesting. Said when you still have an
RVS vote sitting on me and when your next vote winds up on Eric. This
after your post 109 where you say TVD would have the strongest chance
of flipping scum if he was a D1 lych candidate.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:32 pm

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Right now I'd say fitz/hiraki/tvd could be scum but that seems too obvious
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Post Post #391 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:34 pm

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Hiraki and tvd both voted masons yet they don't get shade cast on them but everyone else does?
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Post Post #396 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:47 pm

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In post 358, havingfitz wrote:Why can't I use the mason claims (until they are shown to be false) to discredit any pushes made on them?
Why aren't you at least doing this fairly?

Tvd made a hard push on a mason yet he remains a town read? He flat out called uzi scum in


You also say my naked vote on misa/mason was bad but hiraki is town for essentially the same thing?
In post 89, Hiraki wrote:
unvote, vote: lil uzi vert
I don't care if my push gets discredited as omgus at this point, I don't care if I get lynched today either. But you definitely have some explaining to do before any of it happens.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:48 pm

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Good night and happy thanksgiving
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Post Post #406 (isolation #67) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:33 am

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In post 403, Hiraki wrote:quite honestly that's why i can't join the havingfitz wagon because these and other reasons sound v fishy and I'm like I have good reasons but I don't really believe in them and no one else does either so...?
I eagerly await for your anayasis about these fishy reasons. Surely you can explain which ones you find fishy and why.

I'm not sure what you mean by that last sentence. What are you referring to exactly and who are these others that don't believe in whatever it is.


@misa - not yet. That post he made is his first post back since I made the point.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:29 am

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Take you're time. I'm in no hurry.

Also there is no rule that says you have to declare you're an alt.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:28 am

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In post 419, havingfitz wrote:I will say I find it funny that I am 1) being accused/voted (by those I cast suspicion towards btw) of suspecting everyone who suspected/voted for a mason while at the same time 2) being criticized for town reading two of the players who voted/suspected a mason. Point 2 negates point 1. Which no one seems to even notice.
First, how can you say nobody noticed it when I included that as part of suspicion against you?
Second, how can you say nobody noticed it when this happened?
In post 405, MisaTange wrote:btw has fitz answered why he townreads some people who pushed for a mason but scumreads other pushers? i agree that there might be scum on the wagon that LUV pushed but uh, yeah
That right there is somebody else beside me noticing it. That somebody else just happens to be a mason.

You have a couple of questions you need to answer.

- while this technically isn't a question, please explain why you can call people bad for suspecting a mason pre-claim but it's ok for you to do the same. Include the fact that you should know based on your own previous experience that suspecting a pr before they claim/lynched isn't really AI since you've done the same in other games.



Consolidated since I've posted a lot. Don't want you to miss any of them.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:45 am

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Misa, can I get your thoughts on the game? Who's your top 2/3 scum reads?
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Post Post #427 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:32 pm

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In post 424, Creeps20 wrote:I see no questions
From what I can tell he's asked 1 question that could probably be answered and 1 rhetorical question that was more an attempt to cast shade on you.

I don't see either of those that pressing though.

I do agree with A, next time please don't quote an entire wall post to respond to 1 thing. People who play on their phone will especially appreciate it.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #72) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:34 pm

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Cause I'm bored. Here are the questions.
In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:He had 1 or 2 such posts in the recent pages. And Why will you vote for a single fluff post? You yourself used to fluff a lot in SC Forums as town. You should know that town can fluff as well.
In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:An attempt to discredit the claim?
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Post Post #430 (isolation #73) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:34 pm

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In post 428, Creeps20 wrote:Day is a noun. Not a verb.
lol clearly he had a typo.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #74) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:42 pm

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I'd also like your thoughts about the game in general. Who are you currently scum reading and why
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Post Post #452 (isolation #75) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:27 am

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:facepalm:

I'm not going to vote you personally but I totally understand why people want to lynch you.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:26 am

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^this

Also some people make Alts to make lame half assed role playing alts and don't stick with the intended idea
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Post Post #479 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:43 am

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Nah it's been inactive for a while.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:11 am

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Coming from the guy who's wasting his vote. Vote fitz or hiraki or provide compelling reasons why people voting these people should change their vote.

Plus 3 days is plenty of time to get a lynch.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #79) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 483, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps has done nothing protown as I see it. I can get with this.
VOTE: Creeps20
Has fitz? Or hiraki?
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Post Post #498 (isolation #80) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:18 pm

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In post 496, Gamma Emerald wrote:So what you're saying is: since we know they're town now we have a higher chance of being scum because we pushed town? That's very bad logic but not inherently scummy.
No what makes it scummy is he knows (or should at least know) that logic is bad yet decided to use it anyway. That's what makes him scummy. No way he's town pushing logic that has been proven false time after time.

He's either a shitty player or scum and based on my recollection of him, he's not a vi/shitty player.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #81) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:43 pm

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Still waiting for the answer to all my questions fitz. Would have been more productive for you to start with those
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Post Post #500 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:26 am

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VOTE: hiraki

People abandoned scum for a policy lynch. I'll go fo his buddy.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:42 am

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I think town got sidetracked
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Post Post #504 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:09 am

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Well the same 2 who voted fitz with me voted creeps also so I think that rules out possible budddies don't ya think? I get why people are voting creeps, but again gut says he's probably town. I don't see scum playing blatantly scummy like that.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:19 am

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yes, its the same reason I tr eric. almost always ends in a mislynch. i dont policy lynch, you shouldnt either.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:26 am

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what has he said thats scummy and actually has scummy intent?
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Post Post #509 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:26 am

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what has he said thats scummy and actually has scummy intent?
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Post Post #511 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:04 am

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Creeps isn't playing like how I expect scum to play. He's saying scummy things and doesn't care. I almost never see scum do that.

Hiraki on the other hand seems to be playing carefully. Saying just enough to stay relevant while not really saying anything relevant. Plus I thought it was odd hiraki outlined his reads on basically everyone but him and tvd. Hiraki' reaction to fitz just doesn't seem natural to me either. Kind of hard to explain that last one.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:14 am

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You are misunderstanding. Plus I don't care if you follow me or not.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:31 am

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creeps is saying stuff that on the surface looks scummy to most people (not me personally but to others) but I don't see anything that has scum intent. He comes off as just a bad player who doesn't really care how he is perceived. Typically scum are going to care how they are perceived. Scum need to blend in and look townish

that's what I feel hiraki is actually doing. He isn't really doing much though

I don't know if I can explain it any better so your simple mind can understand and tbh I am not going to waste my time. It's a gut feel kind of thing.

and no I don't care if you follow me or not. 2 and a half days left, the wagon on my top scum read fell apart due to a poor player being PL'd by 2 more poor players which leaves a scum read and a PL as the biggest wagons, so I joined the wagon on one of my scum reads.

Look at that wagon on creeps - deer is kind of meh, hiraki I am scum reading, and the last 2 are basically policy lynch votes. that's a bad wagon. You are free to make up your own mind where you vote though. I have made my decision.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:42 am

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Vedith - do you think it's weird that fitz outlines his reads on everyone except 2 people?

Do you think it's weird that he calls everyone who voted a mason bad except those 2 people?
Do you think it's weird he calls out my naked vote on a mason, but not call out hiraki?
Do you think it's weird that while he thinks pushing masons is bad, tvd was pushing hard on one and that doesn't change his strong town read?
Do you think it's weird that when he scum read a mason himself, it's odd that he's using that as a basis to sort of scum read people for doing what he did?

Do you think it's weird that I proved (and even he now admits) that lots of town mislynch town PRs which makes his logic bad, yet he still uses it like it's acceptable or even effective when it's proven historically that it's not?

I find all these things weird. It's why Im fairly certain fitz is not town. If people want to vote him again I'm all for it. But it seems that ship has sailed.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:12 am

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In post 517, Vedith wrote:This doesn't mean that pressure shouldn't be applied.
Well I am not trying to stop it, I just said I won't be a part of it.
In post 517, Vedith wrote:How do you expect to play Mafia if you can't explain, or even put the effort into people seeing what you see?
well i've been able to get by so far... I don't like making cases, people don't read them. proven this game since nobody has really read/responded to my case on fitz.

my read on hiraki isn't nearly as strong as it is on fitz so I have no desire to waste anymore energy trying to convince people to see my viewpoint when people have proven they can't be bothered to read and those that do can just say " well I don't agree with you" and leave it at that.
In post 517, Vedith wrote:Again, you should care, I'm willing to discuss over it.
Creeps won't be getting PL, as PL is for fuccbois. Anyone on his wagon not pushing it with reason will be shown as scum.
We have plenty of time to move votes back or around.
well those last 2 votes on creeps are definitely PL votes, yet you are spending more time talking about my vote on hiraki meanwhile creeps is closer to getting lynched... something about actions speaking louder than words comes to mind right now.
In post 517, Vedith wrote:I'm not saying it's a good wagon. But I'm not seeing Hiraki as a good wagon.
Suggest someone else to lynch, Hiraki isn't the only scum for you, right?
fitz/hiraki/tvd are my preferred lynches today.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:53 am

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My case is over a bunch of posts. As a replacement though I'd expect you to have read the thread. Clearly you haven't. This seems to be a recurring issue with replacements lately.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:10 am

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except this is the first time game I have expressed any real attitude this game which is actually something I am working on.
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Post Post #524 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:21 am

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- this is weird cause he says I haven't received a vote, but I had (not that it mattered) and later acknowledges he knew he voted me which really makes the "you haven't received a vote" comment weird






all of these are relevant to my sr on him.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:23 am

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In post 527, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:"He isnt scum because it is obvious" is crap.

I voted Creeps because I wanted answer from him and he hasnt yet answered them which is annoying me because I cant get moving.

Creeps, Quit screwing answer the damn question.
You're questions arent that great though. It's not like they were so important they were going to somehow solve the game. 1 is really a rhetorical question so you're voting him for not answering one meaningless question when we have deadlines coming.

Is him refusing to answer alignment indicative? If yes how?
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Post Post #533 (isolation #97) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:09 am

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In post 532, Hiraki wrote:In post 511, TwoFace wrote:
Plus I thought it was odd hiraki outlined his reads on basically everyone but him and tvd.
???

can you get off me now because this is a useless vote tbqh
This had a typo. Should say fitz outlined his reads.

I'll respond to the rest when I get to my computer but basically no I won't remove my vote.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:47 am

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In post 532, Hiraki wrote:i'm not policy lynching
I didn't say you were. I said the last 2 votes on him were PL votes though, plus I think you are scum so that raises a red flag for me that the wagon is not a good one.
In post 532, Hiraki wrote:i literally comment on just about everything that's important in this game - in fact, i'd like you to find something very important that i should've commented on but didn't
yet nothing memorable stands out for me. seems more like iioa. If you have commented on important things and you ended up voting creeps, like shania twain once said. That don't impress me much.
In post 532, Hiraki wrote:i didn't start discussion about how eric is newb town?

i didn't start discussion on lil uzi?

i didn't engage you on why misa might be scum?

when i have 44 posts in a 20ish page game and 24 of them (just counted) are basically one-reply posts, the other 20 posts are actually pretty relevant
I don't remember you starting a conversation about eric is newb town. I remember you making a big post saying he is a newb and don't know if he is scum or not. can you link me to where you started the conversation on it?

I think Frank/Uzi were talking first and then you voted him. so I don't think you can get credit for that one.

I don't remember you engaging me on misa was scum, if you did it certainly didn't stand out as a memorable post

what does post count have to do with anything? You can post a lot or little and your posts can still read scummy to me, and they do.

btw I am fine, thanks for asking
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Post Post #540 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:45 am

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so who is scum?
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Post Post #545 (isolation #100) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:49 am

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In post 542, havingfitz wrote:I had seen people repeatedly condemning me for assigning suspicion towards EVERYONE who voted/suspected the masons before they claimed
The issue that I have with it (can't speak for others) is that the basis for it is very flawed because you seemed to discredit basically called everyone bad for voting or casting shade on a mason. This is a null action because this is something town and scum can do and you can't tell the difference. I didn't realize it at the time that you left hiraki and tvd off of your reads explanation which is why I didn't catch them the first time, and when I went to look at who all was voting uzi, I noticed both hiraki (reasonless vote when he casted it) and tvd (flat out called uzi scum) and it was weird they remained your top town reads, when neither had really done anything to earn it imo. If you disagree fine, but it's odd to me which is why I noted it and partly why I am SR'ing you.
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:this negates your "biggest problem"
If you would have done the same type of read breakdown and explained how their pro posts outweighed their con posts like you did for basically everyone else, maybe but leaving them off all together was very suspicious to me. Why make a reads list and explain your reads and leave off players? I get leaving off the claimed masons, but nobody else should have been left off imo
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:I do not say that anyone voted a mason they are automatically scum.
I don't think I said you did that, if that is the impression you got I apologize. What I was trying to say is you basically called any negative action toward a mason as bad, yet you don't seem to consider that 1. these actions could actually be legitimate from a town pov and 2. your logic could be flawed, scratch that because it is flawed. because you yourself suspected a mason and your top 2 town reads also suspected them. POE day 1 doesn't work so you have to treat everyone with the same type of suspicion, or it's flawed. you didn't do that
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:Wrt Post 368...reading is key
yes reading is key. because I want you to explain why do you think scum eric would intentionally say such a bad post when his objective is to avoid attention. So please answer

Thank you
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:Wrt Post 372...this is an asinine question
It really isn't. What I am trying to get you to do is admit your logic is flawed. If you were town right now I would expect you to at least concede your logic was flawed, because it is proven that it is flawed imo.
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:As I glazed through the 50+ pages of my catch up post TVD and Hiraki came across as town to me. Call is gut.
You took the time and effort to outlne other posts with pros and cons. please do the same for hiraki and tvd. That should not be an issue for you right? I'd like to lock you down on reasons so you don't do what you are accusing me of doing... backtracking. if you would oblige I would appreciate it.
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:Did you like LUV's Post 88?
I dont think I understand it, I would have to go back and read the conversation in context. But you can see how your response sort of looks like a defense of tvd, especially given now that we think that uzi is most likely town.
In post 542, havingfitz wrote:there is nothing fair or unfair about the way I assign my suspicions.
I disagree which is why I suspect you.


in a nut shell, right or wrong I think your reasons for scum reading people are all based on faulty logic, logic that makes more sense coming from manipulative scum vs an experienced townie. I also think that as soon as the masons claimed, you went to try and pocket them by making yourself look useful by going after the people that voted them. I think that the reason that you left tvd and hiraki out makes sense if the 3 of you are scum together. (hiraki calling tvd town after 1 post ( also factors into it. That post is him coming to your defense and also questioning somebody scum reading hiraki.

If you aren't scum with those 2, that's fine but

You town read hiraki and tvd for no reason is weird
hiraki saying tvd is town for 1 post is weird, considering when that post seems to connect the dots on the 3 of you
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Post Post #546 (isolation #101) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:56 am

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@fitz

here is more stuff.

your post - question gamma about TVD, question Uzi about his read on TVD, say to eric that he has as much of a chance of being scum as you and hiraki which is odd as fuck since this is your first mention of hiraki. (see the connections?) and you finish the post calling both of them town which basically means you were coming to their defense. Questioning people about people you town read is defending them imo

You say TVD is still a town read because he hasn't done anything to change your read, because he hasn't done anything since your last post (imo if you are town, that should actually worry you but since you never really explained your town read on him to begin with that really worries me.

Your interactions with hiraki are also weird. After you call him a town read (no idea why) you ask him a weird question in post really looks like a fluff question
you also say you like hiraki because he zeroed in on uzi because you were also sr him which imo contradicts your post further down where now anyone voting a mason is somehow bad,'

the interactions between the 3 of you are suspect, if the 3 of you were masons I would get this interaction but since we know you aren't I can only think this is soft defending scum buddies and your lack of reasons means you can distance later if you need to.

that's why I want you to break down their posts for everyone, not just for me, I want the same sort of breakdown good/bad posts like you did to everyone else please
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Post Post #547 (isolation #102) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:56 am

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In post 543, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If Hiraki flips town, we lynch Creeps tomorrow.
idk if I agree with that but when hiraki flips scum we can lync one of fitz or tvd.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #103) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:20 pm

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Well if fitz would post more often and not do his wall posts, it would be easier to respond to. I won't be responding to anymore so don't worry about it.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #104) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:19 am

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So let's lynch fitz

VOTE: fitz
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Post Post #562 (isolation #105) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:06 am

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I am still waiting on you to explain in detail why you are town reading hiraki and tvd

You used gut earlier but gave no actual reasons. Let's lock down some reasons so you can't backtrack later.

you know since that is what you thought I was going to do with my Misa read so it's only fair that you outline your reads with actual reasons so you can't do the same thing.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #106) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:10 am

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@ hiraki - earlier you said tvd was town soley based on his post 99. I have read it several times now and not seeing what about it makes him town.

can you explain your thought process for me?
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Post Post #564 (isolation #107) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:14 am

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@fitz - after you do than can we get some thoughts on Creeps. Obviously you aren't going to be voting hiraki which means creeps is most likely where your vote is going to go. I just want to see if you think he is scum and if so, why do you think he is.
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Post Post #566 (isolation #108) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:05 am

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In post 565, Hiraki wrote:are you basically admitting that you didn't do your homework here?
no this was me going through your iso on my phone and couldn't really find anything other than a throw away question.
In post 565, Hiraki wrote:the crux of your argument is that I haven't done anything substantial (wrong) and that if I have done something substantial, then I shouldn't be voting creeps because that shows a lack of overall substance in what I've done (what?????)
Fine you don't like my reasonings, but i am not the only one voting you. Actually i am not voting you anymore but will if a fitz wagon doesn't happen. I don't think creeps is a good lynch.


what are you going to with regards to the other people voting you? You have both masons voting you, yet you aren't trying to sway them to move their vote. Eric's replacement will probably unvote you so you get lucky in that regard.
In post 565, Hiraki wrote:In post 99, TheseViolentDelights wrote:
See; this is even worse. Ari is now perpetuating the "I might be a PR, I might not be" narrative; once again, do you see town A) asking more people about this 'accidentally' slipped PR, or do you see town saying shit maybe we shouldn't talk about this so openly
I agreed with this 100%
so why no push to lynch ari? Or at least pressure Ari? You voted uzi (mason) and Creeps (lynchbait)

Feels like you had something legitimate against ari yet did nothing with it (see this is the kind of thing i am scum reading you for)
In post 565, Hiraki wrote:In post 99, TheseViolentDelights wrote:
It does not help in the long run. You know the only information that is valuable, that I know your meta, and know how to play the game. Everything else is busy-talk.
100%

i'm actually having some very hard problems for saying why that post doesn't reek of town because it's 100% town-aligned, can you explain how you don't see it?
i don't see why this is a good post. Using meta is meh. it's NAI at best. almost everything in post 99 could have come from a good scum player. Hell even a halfway decent scum player could put something together.

Neither you or tvd pushed Ari at all despite both of you agreeing that him talking about the PR thing doesn't seem town motivated. That strikes me as odd because that is what you should be doing if you genuinely believe his push wasn't how a townie should act
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Post Post #568 (isolation #109) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:13 am

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I can't read/respond to another one of these things... sorry bro. between you and fitz I am wall post/multi quote worn out.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #110) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:04 am

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Who else beside creeps is scum. I'm honestly not seeing good reasons for him.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #111) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:19 am

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In post 571, Hiraki wrote:as i said previously, masons are honestly the scummiest people here. the only reason i wouldn't want to lynch both of them (for separate reasons - not claim based) is because of their claims

it's v hard to work when you are on a trail and then the trail literally doesn't go cold, it just stops
let's be honest here. you didn't really put much work in your uzi scum read imo. your reasons for scum reading him were fairly weak, just like your reasons for voting creeps.

and when your trail goes cold, you need to keep doing work, i don't think you are. You decided creeps was an acceptable lynch, came up with some more weak reasons (notice a trend?) and park your vote and then don't really try and get others to follow you.

You got tweedle dee and tweedle dum to vote with you but their votes are policy votes. I could easily call your vote a veiled policy vote.

at this point though I am just frustrated. i have a lot of people who seem to agree with points i made about fitz or call fitz scummy yet nobody is willing to drop a vote which forces me to compromise which i'd rather not do
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Post Post #575 (isolation #112) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:29 am

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plain and simple you are voting him for playing poorly.

either he is town and is a poor player or he is scum doing it on purpose.

That is exactly what a policy lynch is. Nobody said that policy lynches can be on scum.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #113) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:33 am

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who else besides creep would you lynch today and why gamma?

p.edit - but that's what it is. voting a person for playing poorly is what policy lynches were invented for
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Post Post #579 (isolation #114) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:52 am

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well yeah, and rightfully so. policy lynches suck. if you think he is scum, make a case and convince people off that. don't vote him because he's playing poorly. If he's town blacklist and wotc him going forward but let's at least make some meaningful lynches
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Post Post #582 (isolation #115) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:38 pm

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In post 580, Aristophanes wrote:We have 20 hours left and 4 viable wagons. I'll check later tn, but I like my vote where it is. Hiraki doesn't feel scummy to me.

That's all I have time for atm.
What 4 viable wagons?
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Post Post #585 (isolation #116) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:37 pm

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In post 584, havingfitz wrote:If I can't get you to answer a simple question in return as to why you suspect/are voting me then no further responses to you are warranted after this post.
You asked me to answer a question I already answered way before you asked me. So how can you sit there and say I didn't answer you is mind boggling to me.
In post 584, havingfitz wrote:And there is no reason to explain in detail why on page 8 or 9 I have players who I lean town on.
Refuse to answer. Got it.

Let's lynch this guy now. I'm certainly not reading anything else he says anymore if he can't justify his town reads when asked.

Y'all do what you want but my vote is staying on this scumbag.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #117) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:55 pm

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We got an extension and until we get a replacement deadline will probably be extended again. How about you do something useful for a change.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #118) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:55 pm

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In post 551, Dierfire wrote:
I'm seeking a replacement for Eric Rasputin.


The deadline has been extended 24 hours at this time; I will decide upon further extensions at a later time.

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Post Post #595 (isolation #119) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:03 am

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At least one person has seen the light. More fitz votes please.

@frank if you're busy replace out cause you're not helping anyone being useless. At least sheep me and vote fitz scum
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Post Post #597 (isolation #120) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:31 am

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Respond to what?
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Post Post #598 (isolation #121) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:35 am

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What do the masons think of myself and fitz. Y'all been quiet. Uzi is unnecessarily quiet.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #122) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:35 am

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Unusually not unnecessary
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Post Post #600 (isolation #123) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:53 am

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Also if you're spending more time taking in your mason forum instead of here. Please please stop.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #124) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:04 am

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Fair enough. We need replacements who do stuff. Hopefully we get those soon
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Post Post #603 (isolation #125) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:09 am

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In post 596, MisaTange wrote:I saw that someone either voted or fosed Io's slot for it which was NAI, because it seemed like a genuine misunderstanding between RvS and statistic-related scumhuntin
Btw it was fitz who voted IO for his comment about replacements.

150+ posts go by and he leaves his vote on Io which imo is bad cause that couldn't be the scummiest thing to happen.

Leaves his vote on IO until 342. 300+ posts before an unvote happened
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Post Post #604 (isolation #126) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:13 am

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In post 596, MisaTange wrote:But anyway I think that comment on 143/149 is a misrep because he was talking about page 6. Very early day 1, which is imo okay to judge reads based on gut/tone and nothing more. If it was said right now (late day one, on the edge of night one), it would've been okay, but that was page friqqin six.
This.

Plus it's ok not to justify your reads right away. That's fine and actually had a hidden purpose for it. But when someone asks for justification and they refuse that's suspicious
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Post Post #606 (isolation #127) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:18 am

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In post 605, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:That being said it's looking like Fitz won't get lynched today
I don't think you can really say that yet. Until we get replacements we have plenty of time. If gamma/ari move back to fitz and some other people vote him, it can still happen
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Post Post #615 (isolation #128) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:51 am

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In post 614, havingfitz wrote:I never gave my reason for voting Io and no one asked. You're making an assumption.
In post 24, havingfitz wrote:
In post 6, Io wrote:VOTE: Wyv

Statistically one of those replacements is scum.
So you're saying if 4 out of 13 players replace out of a game chances are one of them is scum. Brilliant.

VOTE: Io
My apologies fitz, didn't mean to make an incorrect assumption about your reason for voting IO. Looking over this quote again it seemed transparent to me why you were voting him, but if you are saying i am incorrect, I guess I am... :roll:
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Post Post #624 (isolation #129) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:13 pm

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In post 622, Aristophanes wrote:sure, that could be town" then you've played with some pretty useless townies.
You just described about 1/4 of the registered players on the site.

You honestly haven't played with anyone like that before?
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Post Post #628 (isolation #130) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:24 pm

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What's the end game for creeps if he's scum? He's basically setting himself up to be lynched. You really think scum decided to be completely useless and hope town lets him get away with it? Really?
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Post Post #640 (isolation #131) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:19 am

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In post 616, Dierfire wrote:TIMER
2 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes
for now
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Post Post #643 (isolation #132) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 642, Joshz wrote:because his flip gives us almost nothing to go off of.
This
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Post Post #679 (isolation #133) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:47 am

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Smh so math comes in a is going to strong arm a mislynch? Oh wait he's tvd. Yeah that fits my scum team.

Gamma go back to hiraki
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Post Post #680 (isolation #134) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:49 am

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Since fitz isn't gonna happen

VOTE: hiraki
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Post Post #682 (isolation #135) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:52 am

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I'm ignorant but if you're town your voting lynch bait. Gtfoh and don't insult me again
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Post Post #684 (isolation #136) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:53 am

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Hiraki is scum. Fitz is scum. Those are good vows.

Creeps is nothing. He's a policy lynch. We learn nothing from his lynch.
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Post Post #686 (isolation #137) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:53 am

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Votes*
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Post Post #689 (isolation #138) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:58 am

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Well you didn't give a reason so idk why you're voting him. I don't really care though cause I'm 99% sure creeps is town.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #139) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:59 am

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In post 688, Gamma Emerald wrote:We learn plenty.
When creeps flip town, how you going to find scum on that wagon?

Nearly impossible cause he's being policy lynched
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Post Post #695 (isolation #140) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:00 am

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In post 693, MathBlade wrote:
In post 691, TwoFace wrote:
In post 688, Gamma Emerald wrote:We learn plenty.
When creeps flip town, how you going to find scum on that wagon?

Nearly impossible cause he's being policy lynched
I don't think he will and if he does Gamma's weak play is completely inexcusable.

Why did you have to draw scum Gamma?
Then you confirm my suspicions on your slot
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Post Post #699 (isolation #141) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:02 am

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Nobody can find scum in a policy lynch wagon. Even if not all of the votes are "policy" reasons, when lynch bait gets lynched vca is broken.
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Post Post #700 (isolation #142) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:03 am

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In post 697, MathBlade wrote:Suspect all you want. I have scum to lynch. You will be proven wrong very soon I think.
You aren't voting fitz/hiraki so you have no interest in lynching scum.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #143) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:20 am

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Fitz from what I remember does that kind of thing as both alignments though.
List reads are easy to do as scum. Easier when you have a claimed pr.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #144) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:57 am

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Who I am doesn't matter.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #145) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:44 am

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The use of list reads as either alignment I actually discovered about 5/6 pages after you posted it your list reads. I wanted to see if you did the same as both alignments. I found a town game and a scum game.

You want meta against me, I've got a couple of completed games you can use.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #146) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:02 pm

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In post 724, MathBlade wrote:Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit.

A PR claim is never a reason not to lynch. A PR claim must be supported with how they played and rationalized. You are just excusing your unvote of CreepyScumLord early. Look at 1800 town did the same fucking thing.

I will not let you wiggle your way out of this as scum need rope and your fishing skills are so damn obvious you have a bigger sign than a local Bass tournament. So just stawp.
This is why you're scum. No way town makes this post.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #147) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:07 pm

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You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever. The risk of being wrong is too great. You also make mafias job easier. Besides there are still plenty of people who play shitty as a pr to avoid being NKd. It's terrible but happens on this site still.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #148) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:28 pm

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In post 729, MathBlade wrote:
In post 728, TwoFace wrote:You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever. The risk of being wrong is too great. You also make mafias job easier. Besides there are still plenty of people who play shitty as a pr to avoid being NKd. It's terrible but happens on this site still.
No. you do not give scum outs ever. I hate this about MafiaScum. I have used it to my advantage and won. If someone is claiming you analyze the claim and see if it is valid. I say this because I have used it and I want MS to improve.
Sorry you're wrong. Day 1 you don't do mafia's job for them. Day 2 and beyond we can examine things. Town PRs still play like shit on this site. This is pointless cause he hasn't even claimed and we shouldn't even be talking about it.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #149) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:27 pm

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Mental note. Ignore mathblade.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #150) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:38 am

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Well I think he is scum. But if he's not he's shown poor judgment so far.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #151) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:37 am

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This game is the worst
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Post Post #758 (isolation #152) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:48 am

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I would love if that happened but people would rather lynch lynchbait.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #153) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:01 am

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In post 761, MathBlade wrote:
In post 760, Gamma Emerald wrote:Math if you help me on fitz I will let you lynch me tomorrow ok?
I don't barter with scum.
There is no way you're this bad. I'd bet anything that even if I'm wrong about creeps (which I seriously doubt I am) there is absolutely no way gamma is scum with him.

If you're town please for the sake of this game and my sanity do better.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #154) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:17 am

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In post 763, MathBlade wrote:Why? I have pointed out several times where Gamma is begging and pleading and trying to give Creeps outs.
You have? Just went through your iso and certainly don't see even a couple let alone several. You're taking advantage of a lynchbait target using deadline and the fact he's the counter to who I thought I is your scum buddy to strong arm a lynch.

You really haven't even made a case for why creeps is scum probably because you can't. Everything he has done points to a poor player. Nothing he's done has any scum motivation.

Fitz on the other hand I've already explained yet you just ignore all that.

Creeps is probably town. If you're town get the fuck off the policy lynch wagon. the fact that but even the masons want to lynch creeps is probably a good sign that he's probably town.

You're scum. Whoever is town jump off creeps now. Don't let scum win
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Post Post #768 (isolation #155) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:24 am

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That's a horrible fucking post.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #156) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:06 am

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1. Cause I don't see what he did as bartering. Even if he was that's non AI
2. That's a straight up lie
3. Vca without flips is about as useless as a one legged man in an ass kicking competition
4. Using activity elsewhere is just shitty play. Trying to use it against someone is even worse. Even if I'm wrong and he's actually scum, it's shit.

I sure hope you're scum
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Post Post #772 (isolation #157) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:07 am

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In post 769, MathBlade wrote:You lied and said it didn't exist.
Well I was looking for the name creeps.
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Post Post #776 (isolation #158) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:12 am

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IO isn't creeps so where is the creeps case?
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Post Post #777 (isolation #159) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:13 am

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Having the name creeps in it doesn't make it a case on creeps.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #160) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:14 am

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In post 774, MathBlade wrote:
In post 720, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.
In post 723, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 721, MathBlade wrote:
In post 720, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.
Fuck that. Stop fishing. I wish I had a gun right now.
I legit do not care what you think. This town is like a chicken with it's head cut off so claiming now, instead of when/if he reaches L-1, is more optimal so town has more time to switch if he's a PR.
No it isn't Gamma told Creeps to claim Pr to get out of being lynched. I have to go to DnD but seriously scum implosion is a thing people.
Such a blatant misrep. He never tells creeps to claim anything
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Post Post #787 (isolation #161) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:38 pm

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So when creeps flips town will everyone shut up and sheep me to victory?
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Post Post #788 (isolation #162) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:39 pm

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Actually y'all will have to just sheep my reads. I won't be here anymore
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Post Post #809 (isolation #163) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:51 am

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Why is hiraki a bad wagon?
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Post Post #813 (isolation #164) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:39 am

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^ that's a good one. I like jokes.

Now seriously why is he town
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Post Post #821 (isolation #165) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:44 am

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In post 819, MathBlade wrote:
In post 808, Vedith wrote:We really need better wagons than Creeps and Hiraki.
I'm not voting either today.
Explain how Creeps is a bad wagon when Gamma tries to get Creeps out of it?
Sounds like you really should be pushing a gamma lynch. If you were town I think you probably would. This creeps wagon is shit. you've been misrepping and lying and that's why nobody should listen to you let alone let this creeps wagon happen
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Post Post #822 (isolation #166) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 820, MathBlade wrote:Point out inconsistencies until people admit them or they are obvious liars yes.
Who lied? I mean beside you
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Post Post #825 (isolation #167) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:54 am

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You said you made a case on creep - I don't see one still so I'd say that's a lie
You said gamma told creeps to claim a pr. That's a lie
Saying you didn't lie after I already caught you in one is your 3rd lie

I'm sure you've said more but those are good enough to show you're scum

VOTE: math
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Post Post #831 (isolation #168) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:39 am

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In post 826, MathBlade wrote:1) I did make a case using VCA on Creep. I did not do a post by post case.
2) He did already explained.
3) I didn't lie so this point is invalid.

Stawp seeping and lynch Creeps.
1. Vca isn't a case, never has been and never will be.
2. no he didn't. You can "explain" it however you want, it never fucking happened.
3. Yes you did. Denying it over and over doesn't change that it actually happened

Creeps is probably town, the fact you don't see that means you're really bad at mafia or you're scum. I'm going with scum since I was suspicious of your slot before you replaced inand everything you've done makes more sense from you scum.

I'm not voting a town read. Stop trying to get me to.

You/fitz/hiraki are the only people I'm voting
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Post Post #835 (isolation #169) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:23 am

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In post 834, havingfitz wrote:TwoFace continues to be awesome.
Thanks.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #170) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:40 am

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how is eric conf town?

prob town yeah, but nobody is conf. town
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Post Post #849 (isolation #171) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:21 am

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That's pretty much what I pointed out ages ago.

I also pointed out that he leaves out hiraki/tvd for some reason. He held those 2 as strong town reads based off "gut" and he refused to explain his reads on them until later when masons asked him.

His logic was flawed to begin with. The fact he didn't use it equally is actually what makes him suspicious
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Post Post #855 (isolation #172) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:45 am

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In post 853, havingfitz wrote:Errrr.....the "some reason" has been stated several times. I didn't do reads on LUV and Misa either...did you have a problem with that? And I never called Hiraki or TVD "strong town reads". I said "Leaning town" and "~ Town"...which is the same as leaning. And their slots are still town reads for me and subject to change based on game events. As is my read on everyone.
the "some reasons" were gut, that is what you said until you were asked to go back and justify them,

Actually yes I have issues with you leaving them out, but they are claimed masons and most likely legit so it wasn't really worth arguing about

you don't have to call then strong town reads for them to actually be that way for you. your actions speak way louder than your words. the fact that you specifcally left them out of your initial reads list and held on to these for the duration of the game and openly refused to justify them until a claimed mason pushed you to, implies to me that you are protecting these 2 people for some reason. I already made this point earlier, your excluding them from your suspicion list based off "gut" reads from way back on page 8, really only makes sense if you were all masons together, and since you obviously aren't I don't see how you can protect 2 people who basically did what others did.

use the attacking masons equally or don't use it at all. clearly you aren't using it equally and that is suspicious to me.

It's also suspicious that you are even using that as a scumtell when it is non ai, but I have already explained that also.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #173) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:38 pm

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In post 840, FrankJaeger wrote:Catching up more deer is looking town.
VOTE: creep
Care to show your work? You don't post much so I'd really love to see some explaining.

I'd also like your other scum reads with a summary of why
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Post Post #872 (isolation #174) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:13 am

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this game... :facepalm:
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Post Post #887 (isolation #175) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:13 am

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I don't like either wagons so I won't join them
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Post Post #890 (isolation #176) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:53 am

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In post 889, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 887, TwoFace wrote:I don't like either wagons so I won't join them
Not even to secure a lynch?
I mean if it looks like my vote is needed to prevent a NL, I guess I can compromise but why would I vote people I think are town.
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Post Post #892 (isolation #177) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:27 pm

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Yeah trust me having played a game where town no lynched twice in a row, I know all about no lynching
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Post Post #894 (isolation #178) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:45 pm

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In post 893, FrankJaeger wrote:Still fine with creeps lynch. My activity level will increase after the 9th
You're probably going to be force replaced before that for violating the following rule.
In post 1, Dierfire wrote:11. Players who do not make sufficient attempt to participate (including--but not limited to--players who require repeated prods) may be replaced at my discretion.
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Post Post #895 (isolation #179) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:48 pm

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Holy shit. November 28th was the last time you really did anything and even that's a stretch.
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Post Post #901 (isolation #180) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:50 pm

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In post 898, havingfitz wrote:I hate pushing claims before they are necessary.
I'm against a creeps lynch but deadline is in 18 hours and he's the largest wagon.

When exactly is necessary to you? 12 hours before? 6? Get real

I hate creeps is getting lynched but a claim is needed at this point. There's no way you can be town. You've been playing mafia on this site way too long to be this bad.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #181) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:52 pm

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Day 2 please lynch fitz ok. I won't be around to do it so please, don't let him off the hook.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #182) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:56 pm

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In post 907, Nachomamma8 wrote:There's no reason we can't lynch him today.
Been trying for at least 15 to 20 pages with little to no support. I'm not hopeful it's going to magically happen now.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #183) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:00 pm

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I'm all out of energy at this point. Between stupid townies and a pair of useless masons my patience is gone with this game.
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Post Post #933 (isolation #184) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:15 pm

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In post 920, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 919, TwoFace wrote:I'm all out of energy at this point. Between stupid townies and a pair of useless masons my patience is gone with this game.
Hi, I'm new blood. I will not be a useless mason. If you're giving up and turning in because you can't hold on and produce for another day, then you're just as much a part of the problem at the people you're currently frustrated at because you're burying your head in the sand when an opportunity to change the gamestate has finally presented itself.
Hi you replaced in and proceeded to do nothing until right now.

I've made many posts why fitz is scum. I have no desire or time to repost it. I'm sorry but that doesn't make me part of the problem because Ive done my job already.

You want to know why I think fitz is scum? Go fucking read the game. You don't want to, then YOU are part of the fucking problem.

I'm sick and tired of replacements replacing in and not doing shit. It happens way too much. If you don't want to read, don't replace in.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #185) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:26 pm

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Go duck off Mr Mason. You think that claim excuses you from putting in the work? No it doesn't. I've done my job. You want me to convince you on fitz?

Get to reading. All of my reasons are in there. - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8590645

And stop criticizing people for not doing shit until you've done something yourself.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #186) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:30 pm

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In post 940, Joshz wrote:tbh sheep me on vedith and watch the scum flip, thatll be something
nah I've got my top 3 and vedith isn't in it.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #187) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:32 pm

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In post 926, Dierfire wrote:Deadline extended a further 24 hours at this time
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Dear god make it stop already
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #188) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:24 am

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VOTE: fitz
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #189) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:08 am

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In post 1019, FrankJaeger wrote:Reading up through 39 gamma is def suspect. His reads are wishy washy. Fence sitting. Could just be wary town.
i wish you would post more content. Like explain stuff, provide quotes or something. you are doing the very minimum and if you're town you aren't helping anyone.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #190) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:10 am

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Fitz' original add on gamma wasn't that great. Mostly non AI stuff like the rest of his scum reads.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #191) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:13 am

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Nacho have a conversation with me when you get back.

what do you think about the idea of looking at the people who voted /suspected a claimed mason. Good idea or no?

I'll have some follow up questions
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #192) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:35 am

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actually, you're voting fitz already nevermind
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #193) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:38 am

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In post 1016, Dierfire wrote:
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #194) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:38 am

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In post 1031, MathBlade wrote:I suspect everyone until they are conf town.
First, I believe this is impossible to do, plus it is very narrow minded thiking since majority of the players in the game are town.

Second - if this is what you actually do, you have already contradicted yourself in this game because you have called people town and they aren't confirmed town.
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #195) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:41 am

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I definitely feel good about my initial scum team, they continue to do nothing that resembles pro-town play and they all seem to be sort of avoiding each other.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #196) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:57 am

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Ok whatever. Y'all play weird.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #197) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:43 pm

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In post 1043, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1041, MathBlade wrote:Then Creeps or Gamma all other are vanity at this point.
Fitz and Creeps are both at 4; wouldn't call fitz a vanity wagon.
He has to try and downplay his buddies wagon somehow.
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #198) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:35 am

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In post 1066, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think I'd still rather take the plunge with a fitz lynch, unfortunately. It's certainly a risk but I don't feel good about Creeps as an alternative and I don't think Fitz's mindset lines up with that jailkeeper claim.
mathblade or hiraki are good alternatives. Hiraki lurked his wagon away, and math/fitz pairing makes sense

VOTE: mathblade
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #199) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:36 am

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In post 1063, Nachomamma8 wrote:"If I'm still alive in the morning" doesn't seem like something a PR who was worried about getting lynched would say.
I agree with this though.
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