Mini Normal 1854: Game Over

[TwiszTed]

Why are you so confused that I am voting for you? As if that is a dumb choice ... Do explain

I'll just let others. You won't believe me anyway.

[TwiszTed]

which player were you? Don't see your name.

I replaced in d2. Check the ISOs.

[TwoFace]

Yeah I see it further down. Mod didn't update the top player list.

[havingfitz]

Catch up thru 177:
So I didn't care for the stats dialogue on P1. FTR I don't think
using stats/probabilities later in the game is a bad idea (in lieu of
hard evidence or well earned suspicions). Using/considering them on
P1 of D1 just comes across as trying too hard to look busy for no good
reason. Io being the worst perpetrator of this effort. Hence my vote
on him.
@Ari...do you dislike all use of sarcasm or just the
particular sarcasm used with my Io vote? And why use "jump on Io" to
describe what to me seems like a normal vote. Is every vote placed a
"jump" on someone?
@Gamma...why question TVD's confidence? Seems like an
odd question. Would you prefer a meek self doubting player?
@LUV...not a big fan of the "TVD might be the most
optimal play" theory you are suggesting. Said when you still have an
RVS vote sitting on me and when your next vote winds up on Eric. This
after your post 109 where you say TVD would have the strongest chance
of flipping scum if he was a D1 lych candidate.
@Eric...I do not play on other sites so not sure if
that is a standard practice elsewhere but shame on any mod that would
do that here. Role assignments should be completely random.
@Eric...saying you don't always need a reason but
that your posts always have a meaning makes my head hurt a little.
And throwing in that you might be deceptive regardless of your
alignment sits poorly with me as well. Ex...hypothetical town you is
caught at some point in the game doing something suspect and you
excuse it to the other players as a necessary wrong for the good of
the town. lol.....seems like a good fallback for hypothetical scum
you to use if caught doing something suspect as well.
@Eric...

what is KP?

Also...to pound in my
comments on your post 130 above....anyone entered into a game (on this
site at least) should have an equal chance at any of the roles in a
game. In my experience on this site mods do not cherry pick roles for
certain players. So you as a newbie here have the same chance of
being scum as say a Hiraki or I do. Eric...on this site a KP is
referred to as a hammer. You hammer someone....not KP someone. KP
sounds like someone's about to be assigned to work in the kitchen.

I'm ok with where my vote is atm.
My current reads:
Leaning town - Hiraki and TVD
TBD - Everyone else
Suspect - Io, LUV..........Ari

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really, no. Aristo coming in and making it pretty obvious like that without giving away what the role is means that all we know is that he's a power role.

Precisely, and power roles have a shortened lifespan.

Faking a bp claim sounds nice if you ignore the possibility of a counterclaim or another protective claim that makes no highly unlikely.

Bottom line, scum claiming pr unprompted are suicidal, especially on day one.

That said, I think you actually believe this bad logic of yours, so a disagreement isn't worth a scumread.

VOTE: Gamma

Tell me more about what I think, Gamma. Why do I consider you scum?

Nice Burden of Proof, jackass.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Best bet for me ...

Why is Uzi scum?

Reading through the chat and based on my gut, I have a feeling its Uzi ... Although I have no evidence to support it ...

Don't be lazy. Gut is based on something. What is it?

His activity in page 2 and 3 .... He is ubiquitous, not too active but active enough .. That is scummy behaviour ... His analysis seems off, his analysis is not backed with proof ...

My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you) .. Well, lets see how the game pans out ...

Im hosting a dethy on another forum and thats taking up most of my time ... Sorry if I was not active before

gdi did Hermie make an alt

[Gamma Emerald]

Now, you're coming off as scummy lol ... There is a high probability that you're not scum ... The mod seems to make all the new players(as in the ones who started their account in Nov) all VT ... So, I dont think you're scum ...

what
That's not allowed in Normal Games

[Gamma Emerald]

My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you)

So Gamma is scum, and I'm scum bussing him on d1 for... what reason, exactly?

What does d1 mean ? Sorry for not knowing

day 1

Why wouldnt you scum buss? I do it all the time and it is a good strategy to keep the town off of me ... Manipulation is the way to go

On day one? When there is a plethora of town targets to push with no negative repercussions?

If you play like that as scum, you're bad.

That's why scum do it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon

Been mulling this over, and yeah...

VOTE: Eric

Throwing out reads with zero backing.

As far as playing for yourself, that's all fine and good, I do the same. But that doesn't exempt you from responsible scumhunting.

Noted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Question: Can we role claim ?

yes but NOT NOW

[Gamma Emerald]

ROFL .. I like how you guys change your vote so easily when a dark horse suddenly appears ... Too easy

I am a townie and not mafia ... Dont regret it when the KP comes out ... This is my first time playing here, do you really think a mod would make a newbie here a scum? I think not

I'm thinking of voting you just for this post tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

which player were you? Don't see your name.

LOL

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma...why question TVD's confidence? Seems like an
odd question. Would you prefer a meek self doubting player?

They stated an absolute and I didn't agree.

[Io]

@IO: In your #6 and #10 are you being serious? Like do you plan on actually voting based on those statistics? Or do you have impressions of the game so far?

Nah I'm not that stupid. Like someone said you could say that on any 4 players you pick.

[MisaTange]

Hope the KP comes soon

Why the hell are newbies (assuming this is indeed your first game on this site) always impatiently waiting for the day to end... scum motivation -- town typically wants to prolong the day (especially on a "leaving behind" day like day one) while scum wants day to end as quickly as possible

We have more than a week to decide our lynch target for today

Also we roleclaim usually only at L-1

Also also everyone pretty much has an equal chance of rolling scum

VOTE: Eric

[Hiraki]

TVD 99 is fantastic and solid 100% he is town for the moment

I was simply just trying to get a better understanding of TVD's play since I assumed he was an alt. You still aren't suggesting other topics to talk about by the way.

yeah i forgot that it's

A) page 4

B) we were already on a discussion about ari being a little dick

i'm sorry i haven't contributed to making as much of a mess as you have

I could see scum easily asking that question in attempt to look like they're trying to understand thought processes and motive.

ok well we disagree and i at least have arguments for it rather than just a statement of

feeling

You seem to be missing that and I'm not sure why.

kk so at the end of this - let's just pretend - TVD comes out and says he's aero, like I said before

I also have a meta of at least 50+ games - have you been reading my past games to try and figure me out more?

#91 and #91

smugface

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Best bet for me ...

Why is Uzi scum?

Reading through the chat and based on my gut, I have a feeling its Uzi ... Although I have no evidence to support it ...

My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you)

So Gamma is scum, and I'm scum bussing him on d1 for... what reason, exactly?

What does d1 mean ? Sorry for not knowing

if you haven't already, please join the newbie queue - not trying to be an asshole, just truth

I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon

can't wait to blindly follow nonsense

Eric is VI - the fact that you guys are voting him after he asked what "D1" is, is horrible. TwiszTed's content on pages 4-6 is really not a great start. TwoFace is on the town pile.

I hope Creeps posts a little more because that was such a slide in there. Remember before when I said the same thing about you saying nothing and you were like but we're waiting on 4 replacements. How many are we waiting on now?

Question: Can we role claim ?

I haven't read anything but I hope to god you all unvote after this post - if this is just an alt acting stupid, then I don't mind losing but that just means the alt is garbage too tho

Eric is an actual newb - can we not worry about him today? i'm here to catch scum, i can't tell if eric is yet tho

Explaining your reads gives the town an understanding of what you're thinking and will help players decide if they want to follow you or not. Why does it appear like you're denying the town this information? How does not helping others see what you're seeing a town mindset? If the rest of your reads are gut, you can at least point us to what's giving you that feeling.

this reads so shallow and just hoping on so hard

creeps and lil uzi for scum rn - thanks for confirming the read

I feel like there's a weird reason why everyone is sort of ignoring this. And I really need to emphasize why this post is horrible. Everyone else voting for Eric is doing so under the impression of just gut or withholding information. Which I don't really agree with but that's OK - I can't agree with the above logic for two reasons:

1) There's a question about Eric's reads...in the same post that he votes Eric - that's clearly voting without all of the information in mind. With the other cases, the other people didn't care about the reads. Why would his reads have any affect on your vote? It's literally the most useless question I can think of if you're going to vote him in the SAME post.

2) There's a clear misunderstanding that if you're not following /my/ mindset, you're not on /my/ team. I've seen this being used in a scumrole rather than a townrole much more often than not. Less persuasive than the first point, I know, but it still fits for me.

This is my first time playing here, do you really think a mod would make a newbie here a scum?

Mod: I understand this is a very stupid question but can you just put this to rest? Were the roles distributed randomly?

i'm not even doing that to try and make you look bad, just to prove you wrong
if someone has like a gun or something and is town and isn't sure who to shoot, i've got your guy right here
hey let's try this out for size, might work

pupper - kill eric

post-edit: can we stop with the clear and obvious pressure vote? if any of you actually think eric is scum within reason, i have big problems with that

[Eric Rasputin]

This is disappointing ... None of you are talking lol

[Eric Rasputin]

You must like me a lot huh Gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

You must like me a lot huh Gamma

No I don't you give me headaches

[Hiraki]

This is disappointing ... None of you are talking lol

this is actually pretty insulting

[Eric Rasputin]

You must like me a lot huh Gamma

No I don't you give me headaches

Im glad

[MisaTange]

Also why are people discussing meta again >.>

Also I don't want an outed PR day one

again

so Eric, I hope you read my last post <_<

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hiraki:

No, I haven't been reading your past games due to my lack of free time and the fact that I don't believe I'll have a ton of trouble reading of you.

I'm voting for Eric because he's implying my activity is indicative of my alignment and I don't believe his reads on Gamma and Ted are real due to how he seems unwilling to share how he came to town read them. I'm not trying to get anyone to think the way I think, I'm just trying to understand how he got his other reads.

[havingfitz]

@Hiraki...why is Eric a VI for not knowing what D1 means? Are the players who didn't know what KP meant VIs? It looks like he has experience playing mafia elsewhere which might make him naive to some of the waystreet of this site. Ex just because someone doesn't fluently speak the same language as you doesn't mean they aren't competent.

[Eric Rasputin]

I have been playing Mafia for 7 years now ... I do have experience in playing for both town and Mafia