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Post Post #137 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:27 pm

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6 pages already. Not bad

Hello folks and welcome newbies.. Will catch up soon,may be by tomorrow. gotta sleep now.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #1) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:09 am

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In post 164, nn30 wrote:My GOD this entire page is yours. I thought I was a spammy player haha.

@ArcAngel9 - just waiting on you to chime in. Then we can hammer sir nads.
Hold on.. I am yet to read the game. I ll do it bit later or tonight.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #2) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:45 am

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In post 167, keyenpeydee wrote:
In post 165, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 164, nn30 wrote:My GOD this entire page is yours. I thought I was a spammy player haha.

@ArcAngel9 - just waiting on you to chime in. Then we can hammer sir nads.
Hold on.. I am yet to read the game. I ll do it bit later or tonight.
I can't wait to play with you ArcAngel :D
Ha ha ha, My head is currently stuck in the other game :) . I need my vodka drink to come out of it to get into this game.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:19 pm

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Okay. I did super mega fast catch up. Too much argument went on between Accountant and Nadroj.

I still don't Nadroj could be scum. Accountant - You should take it easy on him for a bit and focus on others and as IC you have job and help the group to scum hunt from a different perspective. Your inability to focus on Nadroj seems suspicious to me.

And I dont like NN, he is constantly buddying up with Accountant to corner Nadroj

I completely dislike Fruitless. Wyvernite seems scummy too.

Key is town, Shannon seems town too.. That's all for now.. I will have better reads as the game goes on.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:23 pm

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Content deleted as it was for another game.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:24 pm

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Mod, please delete this and the above post. TY


Content deleted as requested, but I left the posts as removing them can affect the post numbering.
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Post Post #246 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:53 pm

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I dont think Xnadroj is scum. we are doing a mistake. Please stop this wagon, we have time why are we rushing?

And Accountant, I am surprised that you're encouraging day 1 one end so early when we have so time to figure things out.

Key - whats your thoughts on this?
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Post Post #252 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:47 pm

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In post 249, keyenpeydee wrote:VOTE: XnadrojX

I hope you're scum.
No no no Key. I am not having good vibe about this. Forget about XnadrojX, why are we rushing day 1 when we have so much time. We yet to hear a lot from other people.

Stop this wagon please. this game is so sad!!!
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Post Post #268 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:22 am

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Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:12 am

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In post 270, Accountant wrote:
In post 268, ArcAngel9 wrote:Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?
XnadrojX was the scummiest. It's not like I didn't look at other cases, I just focused on the scummiest one most. Now, why were you so certain XX was town?
Its not about Xnadrojx looked town. I thought he was probably town based on his reactions but now i think you're the scum.

Being IC, it is your duty push players to see and focus on the other options to scum hunt but you only focused the entire game to push XX wagon.

VOTE: Accountant
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Post Post #294 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:47 am

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In post 280, Accountant wrote:
In post 279, ArcAngel9 wrote:Being IC, it is your duty push players to see and focus on the other options to scum hunt but you only focused the entire game to push XX wagon.
Can you please show me where it says the IC has a duty to present other options to the players for no reason, evem if they think those other options aren't scum?

Now, suppose it was indeed an IC duty to do so. Do you think I would intentionally be a bad IC if I drew scum?

Its the way you played the game.I understand that it is not set or written on stone that you play against your win condition if you're an IC but i am not satisfied with the way you played game on Day1. the IC's aligned to town are usually focus on everyone and tries to give more time on day1 and you didn't do that Xnandarj. He is just new, You could have let him take a breathe and come back with better way to defend himself and the mean while you could have really tried to divert this town to if there is anything else that required the attention.

I feel your lack of motivation to look things around on day 1 seems scummy.


Key - Are you town or are you scum wiht Accountant? I am bit surprised that you encouraged Xnandaraj wagon yesterday. He was looking town all through the game, why you ?
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Post Post #302 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:37 am

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In post 295, nn30 wrote:
In post 294, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its the way you played the game.I understand that it is not set or written on stone that you play against your win condition if you're an IC but i am not satisfied with the way you played game on Day1. the IC's aligned to town are usually focus on everyone and tries to give more time on day1 and you didn't do that Xnandarj. He is just new, You could have let him take a breathe and come back with better way to defend himself and the mean while you could have really tried to divert this town to if there is anything else that required the attention.
1) You're assuming that there is a one size fits all for IC town play, 2) that all town aligned IC's play this way, 3) that Accountant didn't play this way and that 4) that the result of Accountant not playing in this way (in your estimation) means he is scum.

Re: 1 there is no one size fits all for town IC play.

Re 2: Even if there was a one size fits all for town IC play, there's nothing that necessitates that Accountant has to play this way to be town aligned.

Re 3: Frankly, he
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play the way you want him to - just not with XX. He did so with me. He saw the logic behind people scum reading me, picked at it, allowed me to defend myself, and then backed off from me. This is well in line with your 'ideal' of town IC play. You scum read me, and see me buddying with Accountant, so you are blind to his occurring and tunneling on the fact that he didn't treat XX the way you wanted him to.

Re 4: He isn't scum for differing from your ideal. He's human - this is a NAI trait.
In post 298, Vijarada wrote:
In post 294, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its the way you played the game.I understand that it is not set or written on stone that you play against your win condition if you're an IC but i am not satisfied with the way you played game on Day1. the IC's aligned to town are usually focus on everyone and tries to give more time on day1 and you didn't do that Xnandarj. He is just new, You could have let him take a breathe and come back with better way to defend himself and the mean while you could have really tried to divert this town to if there is anything else that required the attention.
He actually wasn't talking to nadro that much until nadro critisized him for not doing so.
I don't know If i wasn't being clear. I was not happy to see the D1 ending so quickly. I believed that Accountant had an ability to extended day if he had a right motive. I am suspecting his motives here.
Just because, you find someone backing off over your defense doesn't make them town. My question why didn't he give more time to Xnan. I know I cant just blame him alone on this but being an IC, he could have done something and I was bailing on him. I just dont understand why everyone was so pushy to end day 1 when we have so much time. Xnan deserved more time to fit in the game.

And those who has potential to given him a chance have turned their back to him. This is could be either scum motive or just arrogance.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:24 am

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In post 313, Vijarada wrote:Arcangel is basically saying "Accountant is wrong because his theory is wrong and I think he should know better". That's garbage reasoning.

No. You're not really understanding my point.

This is a newbie game, So we have players who don't understand how to play this game. IC's are around to help the new players understand the site rules, meta etc. and help them to fit in. I am not referring to this.

My point is - the way Accountant has played his game on day1, I feel that he has not shown interest to look around the other possibilities or serious scum hunting except his hard push on Xnadrajx. He could have actually pushed to use the day 1 wisely and given a chance to XX. Scum loose their grip when a day phase goes for longer, they will not be able to hold on arguments for long but townies can. The way the day was rushed and not really focused on other players, i feel Accountant seems more scum than town to me.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #13) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:07 am

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In post 332, keyenpeydee wrote:Okay well, I'm gonna be honest. As you can see, When I started to read the game, I'm always doubting on Accountant. It's because I really don't agree with her reasons about XX's on trying to make the RVS go back when in fact, Something has said already. But I also can see XX being scum, So I need to cooperate with what I think is town and that is Accountant. Sure, I do hammer, But at least I gave reasons on why I think he's scum. Yet, I still highly doubt why I hammered. When I'm thinking Accountant is scum. My Gut says she's town but it's also saying she's scum.
XX was a new player. He actions looked scummy because he doesn't know how to play as town and when i saw his arguments for the first time , I knew that it is coming from a townie, a frustrated townie who doesn't know how to build up his arguments wisely. And scum has cornered him with the other bunch of newbies and rushed the day 1.

I saw good potential in XX, he would have pulled it off well if he had gotten enough time. And i don't see a newbie player would empathize with him but i expected better from someone like Accountant. And all his actions looks like that just wanted XX to get lynched for the day, nothing else. Which is why I think Accountant is scum.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #14) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:15 am

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In post 337, nn30 wrote:@Deer - if you want me on an Accountant lynch you're going to have to convince me off of Fruits. Dude has been off the charts with scum pings for me. There may be some merit to an Accountant scum read - but I see so much more from Fruits. It's so bad that I don't see any reason to vote for anyone but him rn.

Offchart doesn't make anyone scum. Scummy makes people scum.

I am not saying fruits is town but i think someone else is scum.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #15) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:16 am

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In post 339, nn30 wrote:The way he interrogated me and came to the conclusion I'm town.

Now that you make me say that out loud, I may have been snowed by it.

*shrug*

I'll ISO him and see if I can find a reason unrelated to me to town read him. One moment.

You should that only makes fruits a lousy townie. Not scummy at all to me!!
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Post Post #344 (isolation #16) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:47 am

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In post 306, Accountant wrote:
In post 302, ArcAngel9 wrote:I don't know If i wasn't being clear. I was not happy to see the D1 ending so quickly. I believed that Accountant had an ability to extended day if he had a right motive. I am suspecting his motives here.
I'll repeat my statement, and do know I am giving you advice to the true best of my ability and knowledge.
Town should end the day when they have collectively decided on a lynch target, and not a moment sooner or later
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Prematurely ending the day is bad. Needlessly lengthening the day is also bad;
it allows apathy to creep in, reasoning to become muddied and scum to slip out of the noose.

As an IC, it's my job to set an example for other players and show them how to play good mafia
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A key part of playing good mafia is to focus on scum and get them lynched. Therefore, I focused on XX and got him lynched. Isn't this natural for any town IC to do?

A lot of scummy statements in the above post. See the red lines.

I don't think XX lynch was a collective opinion, I was screaming to stop it and you could have stopped it for me but you didn't.
Hence, False Statement 1


Your second statement is twisty, So when is the good time to end the day? Early or Late? or when everyone come to consensus?.
That's the False Statement 2


So your definition of playing a good mafia is - Corner a newbie and slaughter them? Well played.
False Statement 3


So now you want to define a natural town IC play style? And when i confront a specific behavior as a town IC play , you disagreed with me. And the rules of arguments are different for you?
False Statement 4
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Post Post #346 (isolation #17) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:02 am

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I don't think you're scum nn30.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #18) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:13 am

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In post 345, nn30 wrote:Well done in 344 Arc.

VOTE: Accountant

@Keyden Re: 340

Look... If I were scum I'm not going to admit to town reading someone for town reading me. My post, which you quote in 340, is my attempt at transparency as town. Admitting the source of my bias does not make me scummy.
Oh btw, this was the hammer vote.

Mod, Flip please.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:14 am

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Incase i get night killed, please don't lynch fruitsman and Deers.

I think they are town. the last scum is between the others.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #20) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:33 am

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Fair enough -

Read these posts again.

Spoiler:
In post 64, fruitsman wrote:Well,

Allow my skills of distinct deductiveness enhance my thoughts and inspections of what thus has began this marvelous game of Mafia.

*COUGH*

Accountant was first placed under the scope because of their poor choice of username (started by NN)
I followed because why not? Accountants don't like pineapples.
XnadrojX is suspicious, and has been accusatory of sides.
Accountant has been more or less acting as a devil's advocate.
You, NN, have been acting too "on the nose" for a fruteria such as myself to feel comfortable...

So to quote a good movie, "Zero, confused."
In post 9, fruitsman wrote:
VOTE: Accountant


Disapprove of how many pineapples I keep stocked on my fruit cart, eh?
In post 78, fruitsman wrote:General Feeling
Spoiler:
T.T

I DON'T KNOW YET.
In post 173, fruitsman wrote:VOTE: XnadrojX

Alright. After Re-reading through the posts I'm gonna agree with the consensus.

I got marshmallows for the bonfire.
In post 180, fruitsman wrote:@Shannon in post 174 you vote me because I make a decision and instead of going through the redundant process of reposting everyone's quotes, you just vote me instead. No less your reasoning behind it is because it's "Opportunistic" and completely fail to go off of what was previously discussed as XX posting scum. You then follow up with a list of whos town, unkown, and scum in an attempt to solidify your accusations and give yourself a type of "authority."

@ Wyernite: You're just trying to rock the boat. Your posts have mostly been accusatory, less analytical than mine, and attempting to lynch someone ASAP, but fail to pull through and instead cast a vote on me because I'm not being "helpful," and its Fruitsman* but Fruitman works too.
In post 273, fruitsman wrote:Yes, let's talk.
NN you stated that you were going to go after me in post 235. This was BEFORE XX's final vote.

NN you did not list a reason as to why you voted for XX. Then proceeding to not address the accusation of being opportunistic, and using my vote for XX to try and point out that me as scum.

I believed that XX was scum. I was wrong. We were wrong.

But, NN basically accepted that XX's lynch was inevitable and unavoidable by just adding to the vote instead of listing doubts. You too, then must have agreed with me and others that XX was scummy.

Now he is stating that it isn't a downside to lynch a town. For what? A "
psuedo
" clear to his name.
Accountant <------- Slight Scum
XX also claimed that Accountant was scummy. Is Accountant next once you find out I'm town after a failed lynch?

Also,
1. You have said so yourself that it is scummy to summarize what is going on, instead of analytically moving forward. <- Ironic
2. You have been quick to cast shade on others and have even admitted to scummy behavior, and you ALSO voted for XX.
3. And because I have said that I did not want attention to fall off you, you are now throwing me into the ring for being lynched.

You have been making claims and assertively attempting to lay down a foundation of credibility throughout your posts, while deflecting calls of being scum by simply reposting what you put and trying to claim that it's okay. You have done ALOT of back-tracking.
I want more thoughts on this.


A) Play style - If you read his initial posts, he was being flamboyant, careless and less worried about how he is being judged, this is something that a scum would try to avoid because they would have to put an act to accomplish this which is not very natural for them, only an experienced player knows how to manage or manipulate to make their posts looks natural

B) OMGUS - The typical newbie move, a newbie town always counter attacks those who call them scum. If they really are scum, they get paranoid and try to avoid the conversations. the counters attacks with you indicate that he is more townie than scum

C) Carrying Guilt - The way he was promising how he was wrong about XX is a typical town tell. Scum symptathizes but don't agree that they were wrong.

The way i see fruit is- He is a newbie here but not new to mafia. He has played this game at somewhere else but he doesn't know how things work here. And his playstyle reminds me my time outside mafiascum.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #21) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:44 am

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In post 353, nn30 wrote:Fair enough.

I understand if this is weaker than your town read on Fruitsman - where should we begin tomorrow (if you die)?

Wait for the flip. Anyone could be last scum but i probably start my investigation with Vijarada

Don't stop suspecting people because they look town to you . People change and our reads progress as the games goon, scum will make a mistake at one point and we should be ready and open to see it.
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Post Post #356 (isolation #22) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:47 am

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If Vijarada flips town, I ll re-look Key & Deer again.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #23) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:48 am

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Shanon is another player i don't have any idea.

Deer is less likely scum compare to others.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:04 pm

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So I was right thinking Key and Vij are my next scum list.

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