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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Is 1017 vs the world any good

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now, saying that, no-lynch is GENERALLY a bad idea for town on D1 and scum know that and don't draw themselves into attention by doing that, so there is just a ton of WIFOM there anyway and I think the simple "attention draw" about it has me lean town about it rather than scum)

Don't get the wording here, are you saying that suggesting No lynch is something that seems more town than scum

Even then I don't know why you're talking about a D1 no lynch in depth, the only time I've seen a good town no lynch day 1 is in abnormal setups

Anyway, 1-Shot's opening post and his second post look like RVS silliness to me, wouldn't read too much into it. His third and fourth post however seems like an attempt to prevent discussion and that worries me a bit.

Agreed. "Letting it flow" is a good way to get town to hold off progressing pass the RVS stage

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Agreed. "Letting it flow" is a good way to get town to hold off progressing pass the RVS stage

Disagree.

Why

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Agreed. "Letting it flow" is a good way to get town to hold off progressing pass the RVS stage

Disagree.

Why

Spoiler tag due to length. Sorry for the wall lol

Spoiler:

So, 1-shot vanilla town said 'let it flow' in regards to getting out of RVS. He made it very clear that his 'no-lynch' vote was just an RVS joke. He could obviously be lying about that since he only made it jokey after he got town's reactions to it, but I don't want to put someone in my scum category for something so flimsy.

Then, TB came back and said 'well yeah man we were obviously out of RVS when you voted no-lynch. Therefore I find you scummy.'

1-shot makes it clear that his vote was an RVS vote.
TB claims, after the fact, that we were out of RVS.

Without trying to get at the truth of whether or not we were out of RVS, it's obvious that the two of them are coming to different conclusions because they are relying on different assumptions. It's like one person said 'I think that coat is red' and another says 'nah, I think it's orange, I hate orange' and then the first guy says 'I'm going to buy you that red coat, red is your favorite color.'

Buying the red coat was based off of an assumption that the second guy would also think it looked red. Obviously this is folly.

In terms of our game, scum reading somebody for making an RVS joke by way of retroactively saying 'nah man, we were out of RVS, you're scum' is also folly.

I disagree because if we have two options 'let it flow' and 'declare when we're out of RVS' let it flow is way better - it allows the town to collectively decide when we're out of RVS rather than giving power to the guy who declares we're out of RVS (TB).






FTR - I don't at all think we were out of RVS when the no-lynch was declared. TB's opinion that we were out of RVS based on his benchmark (first vote count) is just patently false IMO. I put that down here because I don't think I need to be right about this for the above argument to hold water.

Sure we clearly weren't out of RVS at the time, but that's not what I dislike about one shot's post. By questioning him, thinkbig was a attempting to develop reads, and therefore get town out of RVS. 1 shots post about letting it flow feel like him trying to stop thinkbig from making an actual effort to get out of RVS

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VOTE: penguin

Why'd you change your vote here if we were still in rvs

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Okay so the beginning is basically just a bunch of dumb votes like always. good to know

This post sucks

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Okay so the beginning is basically just a bunch of dumb votes like always. good to know

This post sucks

That post is fine. I concur with the sentiment. I generally find RVS to be useless, prone to Town vs Town squabbles.

Do you consider your vote or nn's vote on joshz to be a dumb vote

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What exactly is a rate where scum reads "develop naturally," nn. It seems like this is where our disagreement stems from

Pine, at what point do you think you got out of rvs

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I asked you that question because I legitimately didn't understand what your post meant

My point was that I don't get how this isn't reads "developing naturally." A signifigant portion of mafia games that I've played online usually have inital reads develop early on, which are then explored in depth as the day progresses. I don't see why thinkbig should be criticised for trying to put this game in a position where people can take serious stances on people, therefore taking us out of rvs.

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That's a pretty passive way of playing mafia. Why should we sit back and hope that our questions about our reads get answered, instead of pressuring and questioning our reads

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Gerry was likely shot because there's literally nothing connecting him to anyone.

VOTE: Lil Uzi

Terrible jump on josh

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@nn30: Agree to disagree.

@Josh: Your vote on Penguin didn't look random. It seemed like you laid down a serious vote for 1-Shot and changed it to Penguin because you were scum reading him for his little debate with TB. Either way, lying about not reading your role PM when the mod said everyone had confirmed in 6 does not sit well with me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh

This is the only post where you talk about josh. The first part feels like you trying way too hard to force what josh's intent is. The second part is the same bad "policy lynch" logic that bad players try to use to justify lynches. These are both bad reasons for voting him. The fact that you put him at L-1 with this, within an hour of dreamer and thinkbig's votes, make it look at lot like you tried to sneak in on a fast-moving lynch

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If he was scumreading penguin when he voted and it wasn't random, why would he not tell you the truth

Lying about not reading role pm isn't a scumtell. There's no reason to do it as scum. All it does is bring a lot of unwanted attention that scum's way.

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That's not a scum tell

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What makes Pine's behavior and

my ex partner's behavior

different is that Pine is actively moving the discussion somewhere (and following it up with a vote) while my partner was more conservative.

Pardon?

Did you read his post

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Pine what do you mean by "not really grok what's going on in this game"

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Dark Horse - He seems to be adept at discussing things with people but, at least on D1, he was happy to let town do what it wanted. On D2 he hops on LUV for reasons of his own which says town to me. His D1 seems at least a bit scummy (never takes a stance with his vote that says he's willing to stick his neck out) but his D2 removes this worry for me (by voting for LUV). I'd like to see what his thoughts are on the current game state but for now he's still a null.

The quicklynch D1 caught me off guard. There was stuff that I really wanted answers for (such as why josh changed his vote), that I couldn't really go in depth because when I came back from a movie josh had already been lynched and the thread was locked.

In addition to dreal throwing shade at him, I like the fact that TB actually came out and attacked dreal near the end. Contrast that with uzi's 191, posted at the same time as thinkbig's attacks

Last game I played with thinkbig he legitimately did not know how to make reads.

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So you think that uzi is more likely scum than TB?

Yep, hence the vote. For your points, I don't think he should get credit for unvoting. Notice that right before he unvoted, Pine (a dominant force in this thread and likely town) voted dreal for trying to keep the wagon alive. His unvote could easily be him trying to stay out of the hot seat.

I feel like town would be more likely to screw up a votecount than scum. Screwing up a votecount that badly is something that'll get people looking at you, which isn't something that noob scum would want. Noob scum would almost certainly be more careful

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PP is scum and trying hard for a TB lynch which is a crazy move as scum because when TB is lynched and flips town PP is next

What makes PP's push different enough from Pine's push that you'd suggest lining up PP next

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Jin, what opinions do you have on people other than TB, NN, and PP

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1 shot why is jin town

The more I look at dreal's posts the more it looks like he was trying to create an easy lynch on thinkbig

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Reminder that LUV has done jack shit this day phase. He needs more votes

The more I look at dreal's posts the more it looks like he was trying to create an easy lynch on thinkbig

Explain this more, please.

Him trying to say that thinkbig "looked the most scummy" from those actions early on look complete BS. It reads way more like he was trying to throw shade a newb townie and mislynch bait. Considering how opporitunistic he was wrt josh, I'm not surprised that he'd try to target thinkbig that early on

That's been my take of late, more or less. He's been insanetunneling, and scum tend to branch out a bit, give themselves some options. Garmr has literally not given an opinion that doesn't revolve around his read on me (the TR on ThinkBig was mostly because I am SRing TB)

That's the issue, he's set in his view that he's probably not going to listen.
VOTE: TB

[post]324[/vote] - Maybe I'm wrong on him.

Yeah 1shot's scum

I'd keep LUV alive for another day maybe. But that's about it.

I dunno. Seems pretty town to me right now.

How

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I have town reads on Garmr, Pine and nn30.
Not sure about LUV or Dark Horse
Suspicious of SAJ, Flubber and 1SVT

How are you scumreading flubber

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I don't see how people are scumreading TB's initial jump on 1shot early D1.

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Shadow's at l-2, not l-1

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Garmr v pine continues to be wack

Scummy slots continue to coast and get ignored

This game is wack

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I agree with you that his push on you sucks

I want to see how he responds to your 483

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Did a reread and the argument between Garmr and Pine looks TvT. Both don't seem to realize that they're talking past each other and that's it's now come to a head. Both think they're catching each other in petty points and contradictions but it doesn't seem to be helping town one bit.

The TB slot is still null for me. Flubber worries me more. I was first pinged by him being confused about TB's questioning of Josh lying about not reading his role PM. But, I didn't know what to make of it, and I felt it was better to wait till he was done catching up. Now after a reread, the question towards Shadow in 447 pings me, feels like scum trying to get Shadow to say something they can push on. The shade throwing towards nn also doesn't sit well with me at all and sealed it for me.

VOTE: Flubber

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Effort is not indicative of alignment.

Asking someone questions to see if they'll do something to push on is what is commonly known in the industry as SCUMHUNTING

Doesn't make your question less trash

You started a wagon on tb/shadow_step

I sprung up really fast as a counterwagon

Why does this not bother you?

lmao by what definition was your wagon timing "really fast"

@Flubber - you throw some weak ass shade my direction - 452, 447

You are consistently labeling the way I hunt with associatives as "weak ass shade" and I don't understand that

*sigh*

Won't argue theory in thread. There's plenty of reason to believe shadow step is scum outside of wagons.

But you still seem incredibly indifferent to the fact that a wagon on your scum read is falling apart

This is weak shade.

VOTE: flubbernugget

Defense posts have been wack. See above

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@mod I'm on flubber

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S/o to town for ballin out

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S/o to town for ballin out

There's a good chance we'd have lost if not for Lil shooting 2/3 scum.

I was hoping you guys would play well enough to get pine even if he wasn't vigged

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Man I played like shit this game. After day 2 my thoughts were basically "All of my reads are probably wrong" and "I'm likely dying tonight"

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That's not true. Getting nked as the doc almost always means that you screwed up