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[PenguinPower]

All aboard the PP train!

I'd hop on, but self-voting is frowned upon. Instead...how about....OMGUS

VOTE: ThinkBig

[PenguinPower]

I think the wording is just fine. If it doesn't sound appealing to you, feel free not to hop onboard.

[PenguinPower]

The problem with this is that we are not in RVS. RVS was long over. Random voting is used to break the ice and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Can you show me where it ended?

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Why?

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I think that's an incorrect assumption to make. The first VC is usually on page 2/3, and there hasn't been a lot of interaction between people at that point. I don't think you can set a hard stop on RVS...it's something that devolves naturally.

Not getting the feel goods about you right now.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ThinkBig

I wish I had been here realtime for the insane madness of D1...wow.

[PenguinPower]

@Penguin Power - Please explain your vote on TB.

- I didn't like his comments around RVS and end of RVS.
- The weak shade that dreamer threw at him in 89 and 111. Feels like distancing.
- The whole policy lynching thing
- The "clarification" in 137...wants to distance from the policy lynch vote and make it so it was a scumread vote. Never states why he scumreads Joshz.
- The failure to pick up SAJ's vote on Joshz, but get everyone else. I don't believe it. I think he knew the hammer was dropped, and unvoted in 161 to try and pick up towncred
- Goes back to a policy lynch standpoint in 167
- His entry into D2 in 200. "Good job Vig! Look at me I'm town."

Hop on the TB wagon!

[PenguinPower]

Um...so I post content, and instead of talking about it - like you want us to do - you comment on a portion of one of my bullets with a poor response. And, then you tell us to get in here and talk.

How about this. Talk to me about why TB is town, and why the rest of my bullets have no merit.

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Also...sorry I don't have many posts. You all derpwagoned town over the Thanksgiving holiday, and the thread just reopened.

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@NN:

1.) His specific comments around RVS ending, and the ensuing interaction. Easy to find.
2.) Why do you feel it's not distancing?
3.) TB called is a policy lynch with no comment about scumminess. Later stated his that he had a scum read, but did not elaborate. How is that not scummy?
4.) Why would town want to appear scummy?
5.) I'm not sure if you don't get it, or don't

want

to get it since I was pretty clear. TB screwed up his counting of the votes which specifically left out SAJ's vote, but counted everyone elses (which meant a lynch). He then proceeded to unvote. I think that was done to try and get towncred.
6.) So? Where's his explanation of a scumread that he previously said he had...none. Back to policy lynch forgoing his scumread claim.
7.) TB is fairly new. So....yes.

nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?

p-edit

TB's been here for a bit over two months, and has what....1 or 2 completed games?

[PenguinPower]

Since we will never know Dreamer's motivations beyond a shadow of a doubt, we have to rely on something else.

So, we shouldn't look at any associative interactions between flipped scum and players of unknown roles. Cool...you have fun with that.

So...nn:

Can you respond to my questions? I want to continue to provide content for you.

Also, can you tell me how we're going to get this smoking gun evidence? I mean, that would be awesome so we could lock this one up as a win and move on.

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Um...why would I vote you if you being scum relied on TB being scum? Bad logic.

[PenguinPower]

I have to say, your reaction to that question was quite interesting.

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5) There's an easier explanation - he screwed up the vote count. Use Occam's razor.

Sorry, but this irritates me. Just because there is an easier explanation, does not mean that it's the correct one. That is not the intent of Occam's Razor - which seems to be so widely misapplied.

[PenguinPower]

Um...why would I vote you if you being scum relied on TB being scum? Bad logic.

That was the very logic you put in your post.

We both have to be scum for your question to be correct.

No. TB can be scum without you...hence why my vote is on TB.

[PenguinPower]

Way to back track Penguin.

How is that backtracking?

[PenguinPower]

This:

No. TB can be scum without you...hence why my vote is on TB.

Is backtracking from this:

nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?

No, it's not. I independently scumread TB that was based on no involvement from you. My vote was on TB before any interaction with you. Why are you trying to misrep this?

You're taking a reaction test way to seriously, which makes me wonder if I really did hit too close to home now that you're trying to push me based on it.

[PenguinPower]

What do you mean "too?" Where did I state it was anything, except in that comment?

You're really trying to twist my words...

[PenguinPower]

Summarize why PP is scum

Yes, please do. Take care not to misrep or twist words. Also, make sure to provide smoking gun evidence and utilize Occam's Razor in your thought process.

[PenguinPower]

PP, what opinions do you have on people other than TB and NN?

Only other person I like right now is Pine. I simply wasn't here for the majority of the short D1, a lot of my reads on people are doing through realtime interaction; and, there isn't a whole lot of content to go from aside from associations and limited vote counts.

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Oh geez, yet I was expected to. Can you at least take care not to misrep or twist words? K. Thx.

[PenguinPower]

That's

your case? Wow.

K. So:
- Reaction test - which you didn't respond to well.
- Still Misrepping my TB scum read.
- Post-flip = good. Pre-flip = bad.
- Yes, I'm pushing my scum read hard - that's TB.
- Doesn't care what I say...confbias.

Awesome. You are a great asset to town. Thanks for joining.

[PenguinPower]

BTW...LUV is doing awesome compared to prev. games. I'm putting him in my town pool for now.

[PenguinPower]

How was dinner, nn? That was a long one...maybe a seven-course?

[PenguinPower]

(like the above quote - notice his lack of vote for me? He was hoping somebody else would do that for him).

Oh...and I do want to call this out.

I never wanted to vote for nn30 - or anyone else to - yet. That's why I've been pushing TB - and voting TB.

This is, yet again, another misrep. I'm really starting to think that I should lean nn!scum.

NOTE TO NN - THIS DOESN'T MEAN I SCUM READ YOU YET. I AM THINKING ABOUT IT.

Ah...maybe that will explain it to him. Hope so. Can't explain it simpler than that.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah...but you have to realize that your case is weak being that is relies on one phrase of 11 words, when you call my case of much more than that on TB to be wrong...especially given tow null readings now.

Chill. Re-look at TB. Let's talk.

[PenguinPower]

tow should be two

[PenguinPower]

Which goes against everything you've said about my argument on TB. Why can't I use that? Why do I need a smoking gun?

[PenguinPower]

Um...why? Pretty sure they exist in succinct format within the previous two pages.

[PenguinPower]

Hey Penguin where'd you go?

You were all kinds of talkative when you were defending yourself...

Where are you now?

Sleeping!

[PenguinPower]

The more I look at dreal's posts the more it looks like he was trying to create an easy lynch on thinkbig

Explain this more, please.

[PenguinPower]

Either PP is dumb town or scum for saying what I quote in 281.

Or smart town for baiting scum to go off...hard to tell with you since your reads are so bad.

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Lulz...whatever.

[PenguinPower]

even through tb is pretty fucking town.

If by "pretty fucking town" you mean "obvious scum," then, yeah, I agree with you. Curious to see who is replacement is and where we go from there...

[PenguinPower]

I wouldn't TR PP for that. Based on my previous games with him I'd say that's NAI for him.

When have I been snarky as scum in a game with you

[PenguinPower]

I think that was the least snarky game I've played outside of my first two newbies.

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Though...remind me how that one ended up

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I'd keep LUV alive for another day maybe. But that's about it.

I dunno. Seems pretty town to me right now.

[PenguinPower]

I was already voting him and that was a joke post about it saying my name twice.
Nice try though, let's see you do better.

That doesn't address his statement. Your first vote didn't contain much of a reason, except "maybe I'm wrong about him."

Great

reason to vote someone.

[PenguinPower]

I can only assume 1SVT doesn't understand properly.

First of all, he said he checked your ISO and didn't see you scum reading TB. You haven't addressed that. You say gut now. Great. That's the first time in your ISO you addressed it. Mad props, dude.
Secondly, with the broken post link and the use of pronouns, I thought you were referring to TB. Now that you've clarified, I guess I can see that.
If you actually take the time to be clear with your words, you would have made it obvious you were referring to SAJ, not TB.

Learn to write 1SVT, you're better than this.

[PenguinPower]

@Dark - how do you feel about Flubber? I feel he's scummy.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Join me on the Flubber wagon or give me a good reason to get off.

Why is he scummy?

[PenguinPower]

I think you're scum though...

[PenguinPower]

Yes, and your argument appears to be "weak ass shade." Which, in and of itself, is weak.

[PenguinPower]

Nice dodge, btw.

[PenguinPower]

Nah...it seems like you liked his content until he started throwing "weak ass shade" your way. You pushed me from null to scum when I, half-jokingly, mentioned you as scumbuddies with TB/Shadow. Seems someone is on edge when they get pushed a little bit.

Of course, you then unvoted me and agreed with my TB/Shadow push after a bit of back and forth. Come to think of it...you also didn't vote someone you were "willing to move to your scumpile." You just stated it...that seems like "weak ass shade."

[PenguinPower]

Still on the fence about TB's slot

I think Shadow is pretty townlean in my opinion

What caused you to tip him over onto the town side?

[PenguinPower]

Shadow has done a decent job at convincing me that his slot is town.

Right...I figured since you have him as "strong townlean" now. What has he done that convinced you? What specifically caused the shift?

[PenguinPower]

Shadow...explain to me your nn30 townread.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not seeing it.

[PenguinPower]

@PP expand

What do you want me to expand? I do not see crappy posts from flubber/I do not see the scum case against him. Why don't you expand and convince me he's scum?

[PenguinPower]

Ok...so still weak ass shade which led to tunnel vision. Awesome.

[PenguinPower]

About 12 posts up?

[PenguinPower]

Nah, that's just Shadow...NAI. He hasn't done anything that changes my read on that slot. If he wasn't in TB's slot, I would probably lean town.

[PenguinPower]

No, you're correct about the wagon. I was disagreeing with what followed.

[PenguinPower]

Yes. Something wrong with that? Replacements don't magically change roles and alignments.

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We've posted literally the exact same amount.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah...that's debatable with posts about boners and phone posting. Regardless, it's still a weak answer to flubber.

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As I said...debatable.

With two competing wagons, and a strong preference for one, I think it's more of an excuse to "intent" and lay wait for an indefinite period just because we have time remaining (3ish days). If you think you have scum, get that flip and let's use that info going forward. If you aren't confident...then why place intent? Seems wishy-washy. You can get content without an intent sitting there.