Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

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VOTE: pieguy

Lets break the game by lynching who the mod doesnt want us to

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VOTE: Aero

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too many pages I'm not reading

my vote still looks good

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i iso'd aero

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not liking cakez either

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dreal is town
so is beeboy

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oh look gamma being bad as usual
anything new?

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beeboy you're being silly
i would post the exact same thing as scum
reading or not reading is playstyle related, not alignment indicative

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though i doubt i wouldnt read as scum but you know

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wat

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no

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Seriously
He vote parks and when asked to explain he backtracks saying "oh I'll read THESE posts"

also you're either misrepping or incapable of reading

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luna do you have a read on me?

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Only said immediately after I call him scummy lol

VOTE: cakez

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Why would you ISO Aero though?

answer this Wisdom

i dont answer to dumb questions

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im seeing scummy cakez
what are you seeing

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gamma is town

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smith is making me a little paranoid with all the defending but hes probtown too

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But he apparently didn't read the game so it doesn't make sense how he couldn't like me at the point.

thats ridiculously simplistic
why cant i have an opinion on you based on the post you made?

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shitty opinion is one thing and "it doesnt make sense he had a read" is another

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vote cakez and the next will be bettrr

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no such secrets here, hes usually the opposite of what i think he is

But i dont like his posts

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replace dwlee with cakez and maybe

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i like aero now
cakez still scum

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pisskop what do your reads look like?

[Wisdom]

cute but id like to actually see some reads from you
there's barely anything in your posts

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luna, expressing interest in all three cases you quoted could be easily faked - I don't think it particularly warrants a townread on you, especially if he disagrees with you in everything else

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what are the scum reasons?

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he answered in 478 btw

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yeah i missed the fact that he found it

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VOTE: luna

alright

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the above post feels manipulative

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i dont feel like dreal is doing anything scummy

do you have any other reads?

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i dont get the luna townreads

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can you explain your pisskop read please?

pedit: @varsoon

[Wisdom]

also Id like to know why you're not voting Cakez who actually has a wagon if you're feeling confident about both him and drealm.

pedit: still @varsoon

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what's your point exactly, that all scum feel so threatened by you that they're voting you?

pedit: @dreal

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your posts made it look like them voting you made you more certain of them being scum

which is really dumb

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right
What do you think dreal's scum motivation is again?

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^@varsoon, not gamma

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can you elaborate
because i also read her posts and i cant tell shes town

pedit: @nahdia

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have you played with her before?

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why can't he be town doing all of this?

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Town, I'd imagine, wouldn't be so dodgy

yeah ill just stop you there
dont assume townies actually play like town should play, or you'll misread people all the time

this whole thing sounds like you just dislike dreal's playstyle

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then vote cakez

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because pressure on luna is good
cakez wont go anywhere

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thats again you being dumb

scum know when to back down from tunnels

it's always town who are in need to be right and dont want to back down

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pie, thoughts on cakez and pisskop?

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Wisdom is awful interested in asking everyone else to posit a read on me but hasnt really offered one uo himself.

dont have one, thats why

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VOTE: cakez

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beeboy seems pretty town to me

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Cause he is ignoring my questions and that is making me unhappy :<

not scummy and

Like he is straight up dodging discussion and filling up the thread with aimless AtE and fluff.

not scummy

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these wagons both arent very good

can we wagon cakez instead?

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also feeling better about luna

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what ai thing has varsoon done, cakez?

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cant you just treat the claim as null? There are townies making much more blatant claims where they shouldnt

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Read my iso
You were scumreading him earlier too, no?

no
Your only given reason is you disagree with his dreal read
What makes it a scum tunnel rather than town?

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or you know, you could read him by other things

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beeboy i think you're tunneling here

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i know how it feels, ive tunneled on her a lot

i dont think shes scum here

can you remind me why you think dreal is scum?

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I think he is trying to avoid actually having to explain them by lurking out while me and Luna do this 1v1 thing.

i dont really agree with dreal doing that but if you're thinking scum will make use of it to lurk, why do you continue the 1v1?

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luna can this please stop? it's not helping the game

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he's not scum
please stop

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you're clearly not getting mislynched
beeboy isn't even voting you
and you know town can do such pushes
cmon, turn around and walk out of the tunnel

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i get that, I also feel really frustrated when I think I've caught scum and everyone just calls us TvT

that doesn't mean that everytime it happens it's scum

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Ok I lied this is just bullshit I am not ignoring Luna anymore.

dude ffs
what does your wincon say?
win an ego battle against Luna or find scum and lynch them?

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im experienced and i tunnel all the time
Thats weak

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sure i do.. Like 20% of the time

This is really a ridiculous point and the fact you keep pushing it just makes you look worse

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can this get more votes?

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beeboy
come vote cakez with me

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@Calez: Nope
I've never been more pissed at someone than i am in this game right now.

Then take a break and stop posting
Youre hurting the game right now

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my read is that beeboy is scum doing it to luna on purpose (and out I go...)

i dont like you fanning the flames

What is this read based on?

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Because i refuse to believe ppl can be town and not reading beeboy's posts to realize that he's been misrepresenting me all this time and attempted to pushed me based on it.

cmon Luna youre better than this

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cakez, read on dreal?

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remind me why

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You know, i had a wild idea
What if luna is lyncher on beeboy

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Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

neither varsoon or gamma have flipped scum so this is bullshit
Youre better than this

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yeah but maybe she just waited for an excuse for it to happen

I dont know, i feel that even for stubborn luna shes gone too far where i could see such a motive

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anyway that isnt something that should trouble us now

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i dont think its very likely either but i didnt want to keep the thought to myself

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why should we vote varsoon again?

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read based on their interactions

I feel like I've been luna before

Ive been luna before too, and?

Which interactions point towards beeboy scum?

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why should we vote varsoon again?

because he's scum duh

c'mon, you should know to ask better questions

that isnt very convincing

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this is bullshit really

have you never tunneled on town?

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hes not at L-1, someone unvoted i believe

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but good to have you back

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UNVOTE:
what the hell don't put someone to l-1 while generating like twenty pages of content
I want to at least half read this

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but if you like it at L-1 we can arrange it

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Why? I agreed with him that cakez post was awful

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but what was there to warrant "one of those two is scum" from cakez?

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Dont you think scum cakez could easily make the same sort of comment on two votes on a percieved lynchbait?

I dont like the certainty in it, why couldnt both votes be town, especially if he thinks dreal is likely to attract town votes?

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I didnt know you were also pushing that until you mentioned it a few posts ago

But even if i remembered that, you look town, cakez doesnt

pedit: @aero

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pie, what do you think of varsoon?

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gut and tone reads are fine
arguing beeboy is scum because youve seen scum doing the same as him when town doing it is equally possible isnt

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Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum

Do you actually think that makes sense?

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Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum

Do you actually think that makes sense?

They're not dependent of each other

Yeah but doesnt that affect your reads?

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Like, when i have three scumreads and they dont make sense together, i think i went wrong somewhere in the rest of my reads

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also did i mention gamma is town?
yeah

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smart scum let go of the ML bait if it doesn't move right, that happens a lot, I think

then youre saying varsoon is dumb scum or?

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uh

did i ask you for your mafia theory opinions

Dont answer for aero

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scum can't

thats silly

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So why aren't we lynching Varsoon

How is Drealz worse than Varsoon

I dont get this either
Didnt you say youre scumreading both?
This question makes it feel like youre asking why we arent lynching your scumread and lynching a null read instead

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Pie are you OK with lynching now?

^exactly what i was about to post, lol

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I've laid out several points against Drealz

i dont recall even one of them right now
All i remember was you spamming hes scum

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@Aero: See post 570 by me and 525 by Beeboy.
Then ISO Drealz and see how many posts of his are literally, "VOTE VARSOON HE IS SCUM" and nothing else.
That should be enough for anyone to lynch that shit.

570 just looks like "i dislike his playstyle to me"
I dont recall you being a fan of policy lynches?

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but thats what youre basically saying

"dreal is obnoxious/weird/other objectives, no way hes town, lets lynch him"

So simple question, have you not seen townies play like dreal (or worse) before?

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objectives

adjectives*

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Then do you have a townread on everyone else?

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Like, if youre acknowledging the possibility he could be town, you would be trying to sort others

You havent really been doing that

So how is he the better "informed decision"?

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Generating content that allows for transparency in their reads and play, actively engaging with other players, and being critical of anti-town play--these all contribute to early townreads, for me. Obviously, scum can do all those things, which is why I don't catch scum with 100% clarity every game.

ok thats incredibly shallow and not answering my question

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yeah i had enough of that

VOTE: dreal

L-1

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what claim is that?

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i dont think its against the rules

what are you claiming?

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yes

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also cakez is still scum

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still dont like Aero's attitude towards the dreal wagon
supposedly a scumread yet he criticizes people on it as if it's a townread
could see him being a dreal buddy too

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liking those pisskop posts

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the read had stagnated in my memory

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also lets get a hammer

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if it wasnt for her claim id be thinking pie is scum

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He's at L-1 beeboy? Pretty clear it's not working
I'm pretty sure wisdom is just scumreading anyone who disagrees with him

nice try at discrediting

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id prefer cakez to either

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yay round two

see why this day has to end, pie?

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if one of them is scum its luna

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he's at L-2 I think, nahdia unvoted

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and now L-3

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please tell me this isnt real

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if thats real and it resets the vc lets lynch cakez instead

1254 is just scum

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how can you townread cakez ffs

every post he makes oozes scumminess

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bullcrap

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and how the fuck were we supposed to know shes a nurse?

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VOTE: cakez

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i dont know what mash is

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actually I don't care, lynch cakez with a might stronger than a thousand horses

fixed

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wisdom is varsoon flips town we're killing cakez

Just vote cakez already

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Wisdom why aren't you voting Wisdom

dunno why arent you voting Aeronaut

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cakez/aero/pie?

or maybe luna instead of pie

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but ur still like "where's the varson case" as if it's not right the fuck in front of you

lolwat
Theres no varsoon case, just you and cakez spamming for votes on them

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yeah aero is scum

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Pie is pretty obviously town, Cakez is pretty obviously a shit wagon

fucking bullshit

both you and pie keep calling cakez town out of nowhere when its completely unwarranted

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lol cases

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Look at this shit
0 conviction behind the dreal read

Cute misrep
Because i wasnt obviously talking about the video

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luna bee is town. Cut it out already.

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Ok so ur useless then

nope ive caught your buddy and im getting him lynched no matter how much you resist it

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but wisdom if you're not going to prov a case then you can't expect anyone to care about ur wagon

thats what all scum said before i got them lynched

I never needed cases and i wont now

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luna bee is town. Cut it out already.

He's not.
And i'm gonna sit on this vote here for the rest of the game if i have to.

Congratulations on being useless

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more warranted than your calling ppl scum or town at times
soooo

bullshit
Quote one cakez post that is remotely town

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I get a town vibe from them all

then you suck

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yay scum are busy discrediting me and town fights each other

Every game ever

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why the fuck would i lynch varsoon when all the scumfucks want that lynch?

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yep because town never tunnel

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i dont find a scum nurse likely

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I also don't think a nurse would dick around at L-1 while people are threatening to hammer him.

given his personality i think hed act the same with any role

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mod given fake claim.

I dont think those exist when theres no flavor

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mod given fake claim.

I dont think those exist when theres no flavor

he's just SO DESPERATE

who?

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varsoon tunnels dreal
dreal tunnels varsoon and beeboy
beeboy tunnels dreal and luna
luna tunnels beeboy

Meanwhile cakez/aero/pie are laughing at you winning the game for them

pisskop, dwlee, nahdia, mhsmith help

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cmon nahdia youre not helping

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based on what?

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literally all pie has is her claim
Her play is all shrug this and shrug that and calling cakez town and varsoon scum based on nothing

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Her play is all shrug this and shrug that and calling cakez town and varsoon scum based on nothing

this is total bullshit too
She's said like 10x as much as wisdom about those reads

yeah because more words = more town clearly

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Beeboy I have him as null but the stuff he's spewing is making me irrationally angry which is why I keep calling bullshit on him

hahaha

Of course, you dont dare to call me scum, you know what will happen

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frankly, I'm with Luna on this.

beeboy, the way you're approaching this has gone beyond all reason. Luna is really, really obviously not scum, and I cannot believe that you can't see that even if you *are* right and she somehow is scum that pushing her is completely unproductive; she isn't getting lynched and all you're doing here is perpetuating this huge shitfight you two have going on that is flooding the thread with noise and making it exhausting to read. you have got so caught up in your mutual push on her that you're losing sight of what's actually happening: that she is displaying incredibly genuine frustration towards you and an incredibly genuine deep-seeded-to-the-point-that-it-consumes-her-entire-self belief that you are scum. I get that Luna is capable of being a really fucking dangerous scum player and I get that you think you have to shut her down right the fuck now or she won't ever be shut down. I was hesitant over my read on her for the same reason, but the reality is... she just isn't scum.

What the fuck did i just read

First how the fuck did you suddenly switch sides after expressing paranoia on Luna?

Second how the hell is beeboy the one who's perpetuating the fight? Luna is the one who keeps refusing to do anything other than talking about beeboy even when beeboy stops responding to her

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at least it seems like you got them to stop

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gamma is town

vote cakez

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vca sucks
vca with no flips is just straight horseshit

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gamma has been town since his push on me

Seriously, read or leave Wisdom. It's ten fucking pages so unless Turkey Day really got to you you're a fucking lightweight.

^this showed he didnt really think im scum, he just didnt like me not reading

scum-him would be focusing more in showing how I'm scum

plus i doubt scum-him would antagonize me this much based on such a silly thing

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at least I think I've played with scum wisdom

youve only played with town me

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^can we lynch this already

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hint: its because shes scum

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cakez/aero/pie after i die tonight

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not that anyone will listen to me as per usual, but yeah

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Varsoons role doesn't fit the other claims we've had either
Faith healer is a super duper random role and feels like it was grabbed off the wiki

lol

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Oh, now that I've got the okay on it:
I'm in a neighborhood with Pisskop and Dwlee. This is largely why I understand that Dwlee has, at least, a little more of a handle on the game than what seems evident in the game thread.
This also helped to contribute to my Pisskop townread, as Pisskop has been fairly forthcoming and clear-cut between there and here.

you guys do know thag varsoon had already claimed this and dwlee said nothing, right?

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Faith healer is definitely not a fake claim based on info i have

I also cant really see the logic behind a scum faith healer

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cakez pushing varsoon on "fakeclaiming a hood" is also beyond any shallowness ive seen from him and the only thing i can come up with to explain it is hik trying to rush a lynch before it is explained and he finally gets wagoned

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no, vote cakez.

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ffs varsoon, cant you see how bullshit his push on you is?

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Wisdom how would you know what fakeclaims scum have?

can this die already?

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Wisdom how would you know what fakeclaims scum have?

can this die already?

Dumb != wolf

Cakez is not dumb.

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what the fuck are you guys voting drealz for now?

Does cakez have to quote his role pm in big red letters for you to see he is scum?

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or maybe it died because he claimed nurse

omg logic

Sure, listen to scum and things will go great

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Mr. "WHAT NO IM NOT IN A PT NOOO" oh wait yes i am teeehee

yeah get that shit outta here.

how is that scummy

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pieguyn continues to be town

nope

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Always down to murder dwlee

of course

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especially with people like Wisdom in the game who are pretty much playing to a scum win con

and the discredit continues
I bet ive nailed the whole team

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i like how pie completely ignores his claim and my info and continues walling about him

varsoon is town, deal with it

Too bad you couldnt get your mislynch

Now bus cakez already

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I have a suspicion we are playing medical mafia btw

no faith healer or vt or neighbors in that

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such a paragon of towniness. can't see why scum would want to try to force the game into an environment where it's impossible to write an argument with any amount of detail. not at all

lol
how the fuck is anyone forcing the game into that?

Nice dodging the point there. Varsoon was saying that your walls look like manipulation and I completely agree

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V/LA till Monday

though I'll probably post occasionally

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why is cakez not lynched yet

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cakez/aero/pie after i die tonight

Reminder

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pie is literally deathtunneling varsoon for deathtunneling and nobody bats an eye

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after dreal flips town I call dibs on I told you so tomorrow

And then theres the obvious WKing and again nobody bats an eye

As if its not crystal clear that dreal is flipping town and cakez knows it

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no, scum pie would do the same

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varsoon vote cakez already

why are you still voting the lynchbait

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that's really stupid

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or you could vote cakez instead of lynching town

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ive watched that one thousand times

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most of the time

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also i dont know what youre asking

If i change my vote its going to be on you so day can end

so its in your best interest to help me lynch scum instead