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TwoFace · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:26 am

VOTE: hiraki

People abandoned scum for a policy lynch. I'll go fo his buddy.

Vedith · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:32 am

You'll need to explain that Hariki read.
Do you think scum diverted the wagon or town got side tracked?

TwoFace · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:42 am

I think town got sidetracked

Vedith · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:00 am

In post 502, TwoFace wrote:I think town got sidetracked

So you think Haraki is scum, but his counter wagon has nothing to do with his buddies, or...?

TwoFace · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:09 am

Well the same 2 who voted fitz with me voted creeps also so I think that rules out possible budddies don't ya think? I get why people are voting creeps, but again gut says he's probably town. I don't see scum playing blatantly scummy like that.

Aristophanes · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:11 am

Too scummy to be scum, eh?

TwoFace · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:19 am

yes, its the same reason I tr eric. almost always ends in a mislynch. i dont policy lynch, you shouldnt either.

Aristophanes · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:22 am

Meh, PLs have a place, and this is a good time for one. I find if a PL isn't done early enough it ends up being detrimental, and usually benefits scum.

Plus, he has said a enough things I find so scummy that I would be going against my better judgement if I didn't try to get him lynched.

Eric I'm still torn on tbh.

TwoFace · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:26 am

what has he said thats scummy and actually has scummy intent?

TwoFace · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:26 am

what has he said thats scummy and actually has scummy intent?

Vedith · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:53 am

In post 504, TwoFace wrote:Well the same 2 who voted fitz with me voted creeps also so I think that rules out possible budddies don't ya think? I get why people are voting creeps, but again gut says he's probably town. I don't see scum playing blatantly scummy like that.

No, I don't think that rules out buddies.
Why is Creeps probably town for you? You need to explain that further.

Also waiting for your read on Hiraki to be explained more.

TwoFace · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:04 am

Creeps isn't playing like how I expect scum to play. He's saying scummy things and doesn't care. I almost never see scum do that.

Hiraki on the other hand seems to be playing carefully. Saying just enough to stay relevant while not really saying anything relevant. Plus I thought it was odd hiraki outlined his reads on basically everyone but him and tvd. Hiraki' reaction to fitz just doesn't seem natural to me either. Kind of hard to explain that last one.

Vedith · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:12 am

In post 511, TwoFace wrote:Creeps isn't playing like how I expect scum to play. He's saying scummy things and doesn't care. I almost never see scum do that.

Hiraki on the other hand seems to be playing carefully. Saying just enough to stay relevant while not really saying anything relevant. Plus I thought it was odd hiraki outlined his reads on basically everyone but him and tvd. Hiraki' reaction to fitz just doesn't seem natural to me either. Kind of hard to explain that last one.

Creeps is playing scum, but not how you expect scum to play?
So you expect scum to play town.
You also

almost

never see scum play like that, meaning that you still do?

Hiraki is playing how town should play, but how scum would play? Or did I mis understand this part?

You can probably see why I don't follow you here, right?

TwoFace · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:14 am

You are misunderstanding. Plus I don't care if you follow me or not.

Vedith · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:19 am

In post 513, TwoFace wrote:You are misunderstanding. Plus I don't care if you follow me or not.

Then help me understand, because that's how I read it.
You should care if I follow, if you actually think he's scum.

TwoFace · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:31 am

creeps is saying stuff that on the surface looks scummy to most people (not me personally but to others) but I don't see anything that has scum intent. He comes off as just a bad player who doesn't really care how he is perceived. Typically scum are going to care how they are perceived. Scum need to blend in and look townish

that's what I feel hiraki is actually doing. He isn't really doing much though

I don't know if I can explain it any better so your simple mind can understand and tbh I am not going to waste my time. It's a gut feel kind of thing.

and no I don't care if you follow me or not. 2 and a half days left, the wagon on my top scum read fell apart due to a poor player being PL'd by 2 more poor players which leaves a scum read and a PL as the biggest wagons, so I joined the wagon on one of my scum reads.

Look at that wagon on creeps - deer is kind of meh, hiraki I am scum reading, and the last 2 are basically policy lynch votes. that's a bad wagon. You are free to make up your own mind where you vote though. I have made my decision.

TwoFace · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:42 am

Vedith - do you think it's weird that fitz outlines his reads on everyone except 2 people?

Do you think it's weird that he calls everyone who voted a mason bad except those 2 people?
Do you think it's weird he calls out my naked vote on a mason, but not call out hiraki?
Do you think it's weird that while he thinks pushing masons is bad, tvd was pushing hard on one and that doesn't change his strong town read?
Do you think it's weird that when he scum read a mason himself, it's odd that he's using that as a basis to sort of scum read people for doing what he did?

Do you think it's weird that I proved (and even he now admits) that lots of town mislynch town PRs which makes his logic bad, yet he still uses it like it's acceptable or even effective when it's proven historically that it's not?

I find all these things weird. It's why Im fairly certain fitz is not town. If people want to vote him again I'm all for it. But it seems that ship has sailed.

Vedith · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:46 am

In post 515, TwoFace wrote:creeps is saying stuff that on the surface looks scummy to most people (not me personally but to others) but I don't see anything that has scum intent. He comes off as just a bad player who doesn't really care how he is perceived. Typically scum are going to care how they are perceived. Scum need to blend in and look townish

I mean, don't get me wrong, you're probably right here and normally (even more so day 1) the "scummy" plays turn out to be town. This doesn't mean that pressure shouldn't be applied.

In post 515, TwoFace wrote:that's what I feel hiraki is actually doing. He isn't really doing much though

Not sure what to say about this. I think you're wrong, but wrong isn't scummy.

In post 515, TwoFace wrote:I don't know if I can explain it any better so your simple mind can understand and tbh I am not going to waste my time. It's a gut feel kind of thing.

How do you expect to play Mafia if you can't explain, or even put the effort into people seeing what you see?
This is just you being frustrated town imo, and I don't doubt that you believe your gut and there probably is another reason to it which you're just getting flustered to explain because you think I'm only trying to shoot down your case, but I'm actually looking for a valid reason to it.

In post 515, TwoFace wrote:and no I don't care if you follow me or not. 2 and a half days left, the wagon on my top scum read fell apart due to a poor player being PL'd by 2 more poor players which leaves a scum read and a PL as the biggest wagons, so I joined the wagon on one of my scum reads.

Again, you should care, I'm willing to discuss over it.
Creeps won't be getting PL, as PL is for fuccbois. Anyone on his wagon not pushing it with reason will be shown as scum.
We have plenty of time to move votes back or around.

In post 515, TwoFace wrote:Look at that wagon on creeps - deer is kind of meh, hiraki I am scum reading, and the last 2 are basically policy lynch votes. that's a bad wagon. You are free to make up your own mind where you vote though. I have made my decision.

I'm not saying it's a good wagon. But I'm not seeing Hiraki as a good wagon.
Suggest someone else to lynch, Hiraki isn't the only scum for you, right?

@Creeps wagon - Give your reasons for voting Creeps.

TwoFace · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:12 am

In post 517, Vedith wrote:This doesn't mean that pressure shouldn't be applied.

Well I am not trying to stop it, I just said I won't be a part of it.

In post 517, Vedith wrote:How do you expect to play Mafia if you can't explain, or even put the effort into people seeing what you see?

well i've been able to get by so far... I don't like making cases, people don't read them. proven this game since nobody has really read/responded to my case on fitz.

my read on hiraki isn't nearly as strong as it is on fitz so I have no desire to waste anymore energy trying to convince people to see my viewpoint when people have proven they can't be bothered to read and those that do can just say " well I don't agree with you" and leave it at that.

In post 517, Vedith wrote:Again, you should care, I'm willing to discuss over it.
Creeps won't be getting PL, as PL is for fuccbois. Anyone on his wagon not pushing it with reason will be shown as scum.
We have plenty of time to move votes back or around.

well those last 2 votes on creeps are definitely PL votes, yet you are spending more time talking about my vote on hiraki meanwhile creeps is closer to getting lynched... something about actions speaking louder than words comes to mind right now.

In post 517, Vedith wrote:I'm not saying it's a good wagon. But I'm not seeing Hiraki as a good wagon.
Suggest someone else to lynch, Hiraki isn't the only scum for you, right?

fitz/hiraki/tvd are my preferred lynches today.

Dierfire · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:15 am

Prodding TheseViolentDelights
Prodding Lil Uzi Vert
Prodding ScumDeersAreVeryTasty

Vedith · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:18 am

Can you tag the post of the Fitz case?
Also, I'm not saying I disagree end of...

The reason I'm talking to you is because you are currently playing in the game and posting. I'm not worried about the Creeps wagon yet, and there is a lot of time still.
I don't think it's bad to discuss with you though while I check others.

I'll take a look at Fitz and TVD then
@Ari - Sell me on Fitz

TwoFace · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:53 am

My case is over a bunch of posts. As a replacement though I'd expect you to have read the thread. Clearly you haven't. This seems to be a recurring issue with replacements lately.

Vedith · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:03 am

Weekend stuff and all. I normally catch up during the week.
If this is your attitude the entire time, I can see why people didn't put time in to listen to you or take you seriously.

I'll give those 2 a proper look with your notes though and see.

TwoFace · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:10 am

except this is the first time game I have expressed any real attitude this game which is actually something I am working on.

TwoFace · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:21 am

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359 - this is weird cause he says I haven't received a vote, but I had (not that it mattered) and later acknowledges he knew he voted me which really makes the "you haven't received a vote" comment weird
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all of these are relevant to my sr on him.