(Mini 1858) Aeronaut's Drunken Christmas Party (Game Over!)

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Vote Aeronaut

I usually take theme games at face value, but let's be safe.

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Holy shit, MafTigers is an assault on my senses. Back to safe, sane MafSilver.

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Okay! Aero seems not to be a valid voting target, so no bastard (or at least not that flavor of bastard).

Vote 1SVT

We've spoken of this before. Voting NL is an anti-Town action except in very specific circumstances.

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Not really, but I'm trying to discourage 1SVT from the practice of voting NL frivolously. If you don't treat non-serious anti-Town actions harshly, they won't learn. NLing robs Town of its primary agency, and I don't want to see it treated trivially.

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Cool story

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I can't really elaborate.

Suffice to say, I loathe the practice of voting NL, outside extremely specific circumstances, and wish to discourage taking it lightly. I don't have anything else on 1SVT, and if he moves on to an RVS vote, so will I. There are some sites that advocate NL on D1, on the theory that you can't learn anything without a flip. I think that's bullshit, and an abdication of Town's primary means of winning the game.

Also, I have reason to believe that NLing in MYLO is also a bad idea. The standard MYLO is 3 Town to 1 Scum. NLing gives the Scum the opportunity to choose his LYLO opponents, whereas in MYLO a unanimous vote is required. In LYLO, scum can just wait for one of his chosen opponents to vote the other, then hammer. I wouldn't condemn people who NL in MYLO, as that is a conventionally-accepted option, but in my eyes NL should be reserved for the rare case of unusual mechanics or numbers which make it advantageous to Town. This isn't one of them.

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Okay! Aero seems not to be a valid voting target, so no bastard (or at least not that flavor of bastard).

Vote 1SVT

We've spoken of this before. Voting NL is an anti-Town action except in very specific circumstances.

NL is certainly not in the best interest of town. However, this is RVS and I've seen him do that before as other alignments. For him, it isn't alignment indicative.

I agree. Voting is a disincentive right now.

I've got nothing else to go on, so I'm going to indulge my own idiosyncrasies.

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Thank you for adulting, 1SVT. Give Sick/Piss a pass on their issue, which is ironically just as self-indulgent and theory-based as mine (theory in RVS = scum!) I intend to.

Unvote
Vote Scumdeer

I get that not all user names can be as short and wieldy as mine, but that's gotta be one of the longest and most annoying. Die.

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Post restrictions.

Awesome.

Drunkenness may indeed be warranted in this game.

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As much as I don't like that trivializing of NL, that was funny. +1

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Vote Dave

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+1 Drealmerz

I fully anticipate this thread being highly entertaining.

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I'm thinking silly. I like it.

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Can various hydras put their heads in their sig? Sick/Piss I know because obv but I'm forgetful

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Pissed

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Actually, srs vote

VOTE: Creeps

There's been a good deal of voting on principle against bad play, but that doesn't look like pigheaded prissiness (which my vote on 1SVT could fairly be called), it looks contrived.

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shaddowez and SickAndPissed are good places for votes, guys.

You've misspelled "Creeps"

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I am not drunk enough for this thread.

Where's my scotch.

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Ugh, I did not manage to drink tonight.

I submit myself to the mod's displeasure.

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The mod, not you. Also, hydra slipping. Three times on this page.

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^Fake drunkpost

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as fun as uthis discustsion uis pcan we ztalk about game stuftf?
~ge
btw ik'm goineg to dmrunk-translate ym hydra tags too

^Fake drunkpost

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VOTE: algebra

Nice wagon here.

Be a shame if somethin' were to happen to it...

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Oh shit son.

I'm like 48 hours from being done with my final papers.

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h

h

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^at dreal's performance

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VOTE: SickPiss

Yeah, I'm done with this. Everything I'm seeing coming from these guys is least common denominator, low-hanging fruit kind of stuff. Lots of cheap shots and empty calories. If I'm honest, the post diarrhea and constant unrepentant hydra slipping doesn't help.

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Wtf are you talking about? I don't know what game you're referring to. The accusation of voteparking is kind of left field and plays into the cheap attacks I'm talking about. If I wanted to votepark, I'd have just kept my vote on Creeps. It was (and is) justified, and I could easily "forget" to move it. Instead, I'm calling out a difficult target with no real support on my side. Kinda the opposite of a safe votepark.

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Nonsense.

The algebra wagon is stupid. It has no real basis. The only good reason would be the self-vote, and we're all doing silly things in jest in this thread. That's part of why you're so off-putting, because you're throwing out crappy attacks a mile a minute instead of being methodical.

And what the fuck game are you talking about where we played together? I don't recall any significant interaction between us.

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I'd forgotten about that because I only posted a handful of times, got way behind because you dicks were shitposting a lot, and replaced out. Kind of lame to use that against me.

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Eh, that's kinda NAI for me. I'm usually hyperactive as scum. My Towngame is pretty weak, especially D1.

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booooooooooooooooooooooooooooze

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don't you prod me I'm here

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damn bastard if a mod

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of a mod

fucker

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starting now

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+

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that sounds like an advert for broccoli

i love broccoli

jackass

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sorry im mean when im drinking

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*hit*

We should kill sickpiss

or creepy creeps. fuck him too

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I'm not moving my vote

look at the 2 viable wagons and see if you see potential scum in either and vote the most likely scum you see

I don't like either of them. I don't feel either has done anything substantively scummy. Yeah, algebra self-voted, but I got a distinct joking vibe off it.

Ugh. Need more drinking.

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Sup noobs

Solve the game yet

Yeah, but you won't let me lynch you

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Why is this thread so dead.

Maybe we should just lurker lynch until this game is interesting.

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yesssssss

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This allergy to productivity from S&P is part of why I have my vote on them

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I'm awake, you tit

@Mod: In light of holidays, finals, replacements, and low activity, I hereby request an extension.

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No. While I don't have Townreads on either, I don't see any good reason to SR them either. They're both lazy wagons. Further, I think that if either was on scum, there would have been a more concerted effort to push the other. The stagnancy of both suggests they're both Town. While I despise No Lynches, it's preferable to a mislynch.

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You know what else is hard?

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*adjust pants*

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D1 no lynch is preferable to a Town lynch, but still very undesirable. I believe I was clear about that.

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*shrug* Both of them are undesirable, so let's lynch scum. I don't think algebra or shaddowez are good lynches. Creeps or SAP are better.

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RIVER SONG GIF FTW

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Aww, Sweetie!

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Sigh. Fine. If we're going to do this stupid, let me ISO Algebra and Shadow and see if I can't find something to go on.

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VOTE: SickPiss

Yeah, I'm done with this. Everything I'm seeing coming from these guys is least common denominator, low-hanging fruit kind of stuff. Lots of cheap shots and empty calories. If I'm honest, the post diarrhea and constant unrepentant hydra slipping doesn't help.

I refer you to my earlier post.

As for specific things, it's more of a broad impression. Individual posts are generally fine, but the pattern as a whole doesn't pass the sniff test. I could put together a comprehensive wallpost, but it's quarter after two in the morning and I'm almost done with my book.

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@shaddowez: Yes, I was giving 1SVT a hard time for

advocating

a NL at game start, however, what I'm saying is that stymieing a pair of scum-driven lynches is

preferable

to having Town strung up for fuck all reasons. I am

not

advocating a No Lynch, I'm advocating a

good

lynch.

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I am not a party pooper

Assface

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The lack of Doctor Who in this update bores me.

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Fuck this, if you asshats are going to lock in Algebra vs Shaddowez as the only options, I'll go with the dead weight who self-voted.

VOTE: Algebra

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I like these replacements.

Tell me more about drealmerz?

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Grey is convincing.

VOTE: drealmerz

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Posting from the bar

Trivia night woooooo

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pine is scum - that D1 NL bs is waffly at best but more like it's noncommittal backtracking after actually revealing he's okay with D1NL which to me = scum

catching up more

God damn it, I am NOT okay with a No Lynch. I have said so repeatedly and emphatically. I was and am concerned that the Algebra/Shaddowez dichotomy was scum-driven, and I feel a LOT better about your lynch.

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No. While I don't have Townreads on either, I don't see any good reason to SR them either. They're both lazy wagons. Further, I think that if either was on scum, there would have been a more concerted effort to push the other. The stagnancy of both suggests they're both Town. While I despise No Lynches, it's preferable to a mislynch.

Pretty sure this is the original quote. I don't want a No Lynch. I want a scum lynch. The rephrasing and reframing of my point was done by others, not by me.

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I'd like to point out, for tomorrow, that Creeps hasn't produced any content in more than a week.

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Vote drealmerz with me then

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Wait what?

I was going to let the earlier apparent scumslip go as poorly-worded, but that's twice now. You can't be expecting scum to shoot someone you think is scum.

VOTE: Grey

Flash wagon.

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VOTE: drealmerz

I legit forgot about that claim.

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I don't believe in the shaddow case. I'd rather lynch a scumread.

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VOTE: drealmerz

I legit forgot about that claim.

So you go back to voting him...

That's not town, lol.

I went back to voting my scumread after I was reminded about the Cop claim.

Neighborizer is an entirely neutral power, with quite a bit of utility to scumteam and possibly negative utility to Town.

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I'm actually not, dick.

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VOTE: Grey

With counterclaim, I don't feel bad about this anymore.

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That reads as scum pissed that their hard bus is backfiring.

VOTE: Cloudkicker

My guess is that you were hoping algebra or drealmerz would go through, but got pot committed to your bus.

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You bus on D1 for

distance

. When you came in, the shaddow wagon was stalled and on the decline. You glommed on to it to put distance between you, but it backfired when people joined back up. At that point, you can't unvote because it would be SUPER obvious post-flip. Sorry, this happens to us all sometimes.

PEdit: Grey had his head up his ass about other stuff at the time. You didn't think it would work, and were mining towncredit. There's no way you have that strong a read on shaddow without outside knowledge, he had done literally nothing scummy. That's why I was TRing him so hard.

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Yeah, that's petulant scum frustrated that their ploy didn't work.

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And yeah, my Towngame is usually pretty shit. Sometimes I can see scumtactics though, because my scumgame isn't. This looks like a backfired scumtactic.

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^Laughable misrep

PEdit: Also misrepping your role. You didn't make the wagon, you came on midwagon when it was in decline, then it picked up steam again. That's a backfiring Towncred bus.

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Hey Cloud, guess what. Stop using clear when you are not confirmed. K thx.

Now Thinker, your read there.

This is my point. Town doesn't insist that they're clear because they were on a scum lynch.

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Hell, Town doesn't insist they're clear unless they're an IC.

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Dude, this guy is SUPER pissed that I'm not TRing him. Town doesn't obsess over one guy SRing them, they move the fuck on and push their own case.

Happy with my Cloudkicker vote.

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Dude, this guy is SUPER pissed that I'm not TRing him. Town doesn't obsess over one guy SRing them, they move the fuck on and push their own case.

Happy with my Cloudkicker vote.

I want your Thinker read.

I came out of D1 pretty neutral on him, I'll reread his ISO in light of flips and claims later tonight. Leaving for dinner and Star Wars in half an hour.

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Dude, this guy is SUPER pissed that I'm not TRing him. Town doesn't obsess over one guy SRing them, they move the fuck on and push their own case.

Happy with my Cloudkicker vote.

Dude i deserved to be instant tred asshole, you did nothing but vote mafia's counterwagon all day

You deserve nothing.

Town doesn't DESERVE anything.

Town doesn't EXPECT anything.

Scum digs their heels in and gets pissy when their gambits don't work.

Deal with it.

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I lynch mafia, i deserve to be townread ty

Except you didn't.

You cannot take credit for driving a wagon that predates your entrance to the game. This is the basis for my scumread on you - you're taking credit for something that wasn't you, and demand to be TRed for it. That's not Town behavior.

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Yeah fuck yourself. Calling me Town isn't going to flatter me into changing my mind.

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I mean seriously, what Townie flips out this hard over one vote?

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oh gd where's teh bong

jackel and pine good votes

thinker and algebra good too

I'm down for jackel

VOTE: jackel

not going down on that mofo though no way gross

This might be scum...

It is.

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Yeah, no. That's a lie.

VOTE: Umlaut

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No, fuck off. Umlaut is either scum or insane.

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Ugh, what the fuck ever. I despise Towns like this, who are so high off the smell of their own sweet-smelling shit that they don't listen or try to use logic.

I'm Don Draper from Madmen. I grant the Strong-Willed modifier to someone each night. I gave it to algebra last night, I figured he wouldn't have been the counterwagon to Shaddow if he was scum.

Best guess is that there's a lucky framer out there, because you're right, scum Umlaut doesn't 1v1 me right now.

I'm pretty serious, I think Cloudkicker is probably scum. Fuck this game though

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VOTE: Cloudkicker

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Whatever, Cloudkicker. I could present you with a gold-engraved note from God Himself, delivered by a chorus of angels singing Hallelujah telling you that you're wrong, and you'd rage and whine about how right you are. You are the absolute worst kind of Mafia player. One that isn't necessarily wrong, but that doesn't entertain the possibility that they might be.

I'm out. GG to scum, that frame was well placed. Announcing cop targets with a likely framer in the mix is beyond moronic

PE: It isn't a Normal game, you knob.

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It's a true statement.

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Umlaut, do me a favor - don't do what the crowd is telling you. Follow your own initiative, and don't get directed. Certainly not publicly.

PE: You're clearly here to masturbate to your own ego, jackass.

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In the quote you just posted, it clearly allows for something like Godfather, Miller, Framer, Tailor etc. Selective holding doesn't change that.

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In the quote you just posted, it clearly allows for something like Godfather, Miller, Framer, Tailor etc. Selective holding doesn't change that.

Nvm I misread it. My role references misdirection, however, so that's my new theory.

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He's not. There's literally no reason for him to 1v1 me. It's suicide when I flip Town. You said so yourself.

I think his investigate got redirected. My role implies that redirection is in the game, and it'd be a hell of a lot more effective than roleblocking the cop. I got screwed here.

PEdit: Did yo even read the Strong-willed wiki entry? It makes them immune to roleblock and redirection. Ergo, redirection is probably in the game, as it explains everything.

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Lynch Cloudkicker. This is my point, it's impossible to have any conversation other than his while he lives. This kind of self-obsessed masturbatory posting is massively anti-Town

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Fuck this game. I'm just resigned to it at this point, as there's no chance I don't get mislynched with a false guilty on me.

Lynch Cloudkicker next, please. Do me a favor and don't hold it against Umlaut, I'm fairly confident he got redirected onto scum.

Off chance that the redirector is Town, please claim tomorrow and tell us who you redirected onto, there's scum too.

GL Town.

VOTE: Pine

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Ugh, I did an absolute shite job this game. I went way too far overboard to retrieve Shaddowez, which left me exposed, which exposed Jackel/Malakittens. Town did a great job picking up on all the dropped balls, of course, but terrible performance on our part. A little disgusted with myself.

Good game, Town.