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[gigabyteTroubadour]

also i think all of the major D1 wagons being all-town in a lot of theoritcal scenarios points strongly to inactive scum, which kind of works in gamma's favor

[mykonian]

the whole game was super inactive for one I've been in, there were so few wagons. I don't think that says much about scum as it said about town.

also I'm getting annoyed rereading It's either tunneling or just that obvious, idk. Jordan's game is scummier than scum.

vote Jordan

[mykonian]

and I see re mtd/maria. meh.

[Transcend]

Can you 3 claim already

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i doubt they're online

[mykonian]

page 22, I think jordan was happily coasting, and I think everybody was looking at Gerry as the proverbial lurk. EP calls him out. I think scum might not have done that. hmm.

[Transcend]

alright well honestly all you need to do is townread me and just lynch the rest

like i'm pretty obvious town... right?????????????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

But like

I can't get over how bad every single vote myk made is.

I on the other hand can't get over how bad the votes

on

myko were.
very much looks like a scum driven wagon.

^ pretty easy way to discredit an all-town wagon on town tbh

also transcend.......... paranoia is a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

I may go full masochistic
I may do a VCA of every VC posted.

[mykonian]

well the issue with EP scum is mostly that his pairs with Road or Jordan require me to jump through some hoops, they don't feel like scum/scum. MTD/EP makes sense to some extent, but I kind of had MTD on the townier side. EP/Josh don't work either. Don't care about the other pairs because they are town from reads/maria interactions.

Don't remember why I thought that, but I did, so tomorrow morning I should see if I can remember what the line of thought was.

[mykonian]

I read maria's ISO and still felt that. Maria was a "high profile player" in that her ISO was long, but she was a low profile player in that her interactions lacked punches or anything to latch on to.
I'm curious to see where that leaves MTD (the player most similar to maria in terms of my impression of him) and to a much lesser extent, jordan in a game dynamic standpoint-- as in how composition of the scum team is based on interaction strength and game control.

my main concern right now is people pushing kamelot in a way that i strongly dislike, and many of those people previously being strong townreads on my part

So this is more or less where we are today.

EP was right. Which is interesting, he was sticking closer to his truth, which is fine, but quite different from how Maria felt. Makes interactions harder to read (as it's shown so far in what I'm trying to count)

[mykonian]

I may go full masochistic
I may do a VCA of every VC posted.

Don't bother, day one is barren. If you do it, just day two. It has more choice, more flux, clearer results. Day one is a mess to read vc's from.

[Joshz]

But like

I can't get over how bad every single vote myk made is.

I on the other hand can't get over how bad the votes

on

myko were.
very much looks like a scum driven wagon.

^ pretty easy way to discredit an all-town wagon on town tbh

also transcend.......... paranoia is a thing

Technically only me and you are lock town because we can't confirm myko is cop

But

He's going to get killed tonight or come back with a new result so it doesn't really matter

[Joshz]

Jordan mtd fucking claim you kangaroo fuckers

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the flips basically confirm him as town tho

like maria/myko i guess had like a 1% chance of happening but EP was trying to pocket myko.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Jordan mtd fucking claim you kangaroo fuckers

gamma too :/

but maybe after them, dunno

[mykonian]

VOTE: Road Kamelot

(I still feel kinda conflicted about this since i did townread her D1 >.< to be fair that was mostly gut)

Pedit(s): Yeeea dont do that. jordan is still the one other person i do want to lynch.

this is fairly awful i think
and jordan is not a good lynch i think
hmm.

And here, same people other way around. Don't think there's much here.

[mykonian]

I'm still pretty sure MTD is scum with someone else. Can't make a convincing case but it's just how I feel. Also I'm probably getting vigged tonight so....

gigabyteTroubadour is TOwn

Is this gambitting scum? I kind of see it. But then i'm solidly in the tunnel there.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm still pretty sure MTD is scum with someone else. Can't make a convincing case but it's just how I feel. Also I'm probably getting vigged tonight so....

gigabyteTroubadour is TOwn

Is this gambitting scum? I kind of see it. But then i'm solidly in the tunnel there.

What's the gambit? He was a viable and likely vig target. I see newbtown accepting defeat more likely than newbscum reminding the vig he exists.

[mykonian]

28 is gamma town
181 mtd, gamma town
284 transcend town
533 jordan town
1537 MTD town

an entire game. Blegh. Yes I got buddied on.


So back to actual reads. It somewhat feels like the scum is outside mtd/jordan from EP's posts, but those are the people I have a townread on. MTD makes sense to me at a very basic level. Lots of little things, and it's really annoying, because there's no way I can actually explain to you how obvious it feels. Gamma is ubertown, I think I get him. Transcend, idk, can go for a scummy if he is scum and makes it in this game. Maybe I hate him and tell you to lynch him in lylo (can you imagine the heartbreak?). Always lynch him over gamma.

And similarly, Jordan feels super obvious scum to me. He's very conciously doing nothing at all, and then getting it wrong on top. But we haven't lynched him for 2 days and idk, today he's barely considered either it seems. idgi.

[mykonian]

I'm still pretty sure MTD is scum with someone else. Can't make a convincing case but it's just how I feel. Also I'm probably getting vigged tonight so....

gigabyteTroubadour is TOwn

Is this gambitting scum? I kind of see it. But then i'm solidly in the tunnel there.

What's the gambit? He was a viable and likely vig target. I see newbtown accepting defeat more likely than newbscum reminding the vig he exists.

Claiming true info about you so that town might think he faked it when he falls. He's very concious about tacking your info on. Idk.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I think if he's scum, it's more of an attempt to pocket me if he lives and a bridge for EP to make a stronger push on me. not rly a gambit but I see your point

but it makes a lot of sense too that he is a bit familiar with my play due to some of our offsite games together... :/

I still think Jordan would have been less deliberately terrible about his play as scum. I guess he's basically my MTD.

We should probably just lynch the jordan slot, but i won't move until claims clarify things. whichever one logs on first should claim PR or VT, nothing else

[Joshz]

To be honest mtd isn't much better than jordan

[XnadrojX]

I'm VT sorry for the absence. I played horribly this game I know I started this game thinking I can commit to it then I just sorta..... Couldn't keep up.

VOTE: mtd[\v]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

when that vote counts that's L-1