Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

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VOTE: Pine

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wait



OK I promise I'll read the rules LMAO

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See I thought we'd form parties but we're one big party of 13?

VOTE: Woods

The obvious choice

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I may or may not claim a part of my true power on the first page

Thinking over it

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OK lads I'm a miller

Normally I wouldn't claim but with this player list and the likes of vedith you never know

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I'd go to the woods or the shops

Cemetary sounds spooky

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VOTE: Shops

You're dead to me

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Also the woods might be dangerous if my recollection of the curse of strand is correct.

My flavor knowledge isn't too deep but they encounters are supposed to be semi-randomized

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Game/flavor knowledge is nice, and might have a slight edge when it comes to certain things like items or things that may or may not be story linked, but is mostly for the enjoyment of players. Artifacts and beneficial item locations have been semi randomized, so even a location that was dangerous in the book may be the housing or an artifact, and vice versa.

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Cemetery might give us info.

About what



I don't want no pansy dansy info give me an artifact to kill people with

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VOTE: Cemetary

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I'm ready to fight the final boss

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Ok get out of rvs and vote cemetary ^

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A valid concern.

VOTE: Shops

Let's go to the shops, surely they would be selling an artifact as well, and there's no paranoia from people who jumped in at the start voting woods and cemetary

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Also shops sounds safe

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Recalibrate at the shops

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dunn I gotta say the scum-vibes are already strong from you

"A valid concern"

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Wait I thought the first phase was a mandatory 2 days

OK this is moving along and the mods on too

If it makes you feel better I will gladly, if it comes to us having to choose somebody to die to some horrible monster that for some reason si ready to kill us right off the bat, volunteer!




...Vedith. I will volunteer Vedith.

It's funny because after the first part I was thinking to volunteer vedith as well

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And I don't even think he's scum but

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It's already locked in bro

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...?

Pine hammered it

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lol.

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Paging Shaziro

What does that do

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VOTE: dunnstral

I think you're allowed to self-vote here and it's not scummy, cool!

Can't tell if this is wanting me to get something good or bad

VOTE: Dunnstral

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Well I am actually

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Nobody said it was a ring

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You should give it to me since I claimed miller :^) :^)

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And so even if I die or something I was already negative utility

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Why are you assuming scum know all the paths?

Why are you assuming this item is good?

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Btw I don't think they would know

Also you're assuming the shop/woods would both be worse than whatever we got

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I don't trust Jason with the amulet, alignment wise and in a sense that I don't think he'll use it to it's full potential if it's beneficial

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It's not that I think you're scum

I just wouldn't pick you

Willing to let drealmr or shaziro have it if I don't get it

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No they're not.

I'm not townreading you so I'm not voting for you to have it

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Let's give the item to a lynchbait guy.

I mean players you think are the juiciest mislynches if town.

So give it to scum?

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Let's give the item to a lynchbait guy.

I mean players you think are the juiciest mislynches if town.

So give it to scum?

Let's see if this keyword helps:

SnarkySnowman

KuroiXHF or Kuror0?

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I VOTE: Pine to get the item.

What's your thought process here

Like I'm willing to give the item to someone else don't get me wrong, I'm just picky and also a bit greedy

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So you're assuming scum would want the amulet, then? Want to share what it does with the rest of the class?

@slysly

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VOTE: kuror0

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VOTE: kuror0

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FoS on Dunn and Creature atm.

Why? Because I'm voting kuror0 for the item?

My bad, I'll move that immediately.

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VOTE: Vedith

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I revoted mostly to annoy jason tbh

I didn't naked vote kuror0? OR at least I laid out reasoning and the discussion was going there at the time

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VOTE: Pine

It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.

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You're literally saying "Town helped him get this item, now let's lynch him to see if he is actually town or not." That's terrible, and I can't even fathom how that would ever come from a town mindset.

Actually, I said the opposite. Replace the words town with scum

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Shadowez is in this game?

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Also not sure what happened to my quote

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VOTE: Pine

It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.

VOTE: Dunnstral

You're literally saying "Town helped him get this item, now let's lynch him to see if he is actually town or not." That's terrible, and I can't even fathom how that would ever come from a town mindset.

I could get down with this.

Why is nobody asking me why I'm voting shaz?

Don't care.

I could go for a Dunn lynch, but I'm more inclined to give a vig shoot him, if there is one.

Vigilante, please shoot Dunnstral. We need to resolve the Miller thing eventually, and vig shots are more expendable than lynches.

such a bad post.

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I feel as if pine gathering a bunch of votes for the item in a short time was scummy.

What claim?

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Why aren't you voting them, or calling them out?

Because I don't even know if pine is scum yet. If he is someone on the item wagon for him is scum.

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I want to kill him because I think there's an above average chance of him being scum, and if he is there are associations

ok to the claim... why did people think an item would be restricted like that? He didn't even specify his class

Could you iso shaz and tell me if I'm just bad tunneling or not?

He was fine up until the past 3 pages or so

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Also pine is really coming at me for my vote

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But you are

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This also feels distinctly different from what I've seen of TownDunn.

It's not

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UNVOTE: Pine

ok

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My assumption would be that it would be a one shot bulletproof against said minions/Strahd.

If somebody claimed 1-shot bulletproof from that amulet I'd lynch them.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

ok

I'm semi-BP anyway. I can self-heal.

nobody asked you to claim

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Dunn no really please explain why you unvoted there idgi.

His claim of the amulet.

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Him pushing me as soon as I voted him was awful though

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He didn't claim anything confirmable either.

But... it is confirmable...

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It's confirmable by using it on someone who's out of x-shots?

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pine softed pretty obviously that he couldn't use until after he was dead

No

He's implying he'll be night killed, give the amulet to someone else, and they'll use it

He has no reason to be implying that, however

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(no it isn't my readslist)

Then WTF is it?

VOTE: Creature

Bad post

Why does this need to be a vote if you don't understand it? How is it scummy?

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Hopefully BRantz didn't get in another accident.

dang............

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Vigs have free reign on kuroi, dunn and brantz. Keep the game moving and I bet there's one scum in those three.

This was important information and deserves to be marked as such:

The amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. It isn't likely to be useful to me, but it should be helpful to someone in late game when I'm dead. Choose wisely.

It doesn't quite say what it does, though.

Okay whatever.

VOTE: Kuroi

Let's quick-policy this and go on another quest.

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Why are we policy lynching someone that was V/LA?

Thanks, Jason. Nice to see you again, by the way. Not an SK, are you? :-p

If they were I didn't know about it. Kuroi looks worse than brantz by comparison.

This game feels like it's been around longer than it actually has to me since I replaced in not too long ago that might be what it is.

Well I mean, I didn't exactly have a family emergency. I'm just normally V/LA on weekends.

Well now I feel like a jerk.

Not to be a dick, but you should. Especially since you didn't unvote me.

Pine

shaddowez

drealmerz7

Shaziro
Dunnstral

JasonWazza

Vedith culted

KuroiXHF

kuror0
SlySly

Persivul
Creature

BRantz

How am I scum? Seriously, what led you to this? How is everyone so mapped out? I don't get it.

Pine

shaddowez

drealmerz7

Shaziro
Dunnstral

JasonWazza

Vedith culted

KuroiXHF

kuror0
SlySly

Persivul
Creature

BRantz

Yeah, so the three lowest post counts - all on VLA for the weekend - are your scum pool. Laziest reads list I've ever seen.

Creature really should know better at this point.

I mean, he said it wasn't a reads list right there so

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VOTE: Pine

It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.

You're literally saying "Town helped him get this item, now let's lynch him to see if he is actually town or not." That's terrible, and I can't even fathom how that would ever come from a town mindset.

Actually, I said the opposite. Replace the words town with scum

Regarding Dunn's approach above: the first is bad, as he seems to be saying we should try this even with no scum read on Pine or the Pine item wagon. The second one seems to indicate he's suspicious of Pine and/or the wagon, but it's not clear.

I don't like it, but reading dunn's ISO overall he's not high on my priorities rn.

Yeah, I'm suspicious of pine there. That's why I was voting him

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This was important information and deserves to be marked as such:

The amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. It isn't likely to be useful to me, but it should be helpful to someone in late game when I'm dead. Choose wisely.

I'm semi-BP anyway. I can self-heal.

You can self-heal.

First, if this is true, town has every reason NOT to claim this. You should WANT scum to target you, thereby wasting a shot. Scum OTOH could claim it to explain why they weren't NK'd, as previously noted.

Second, it would be incredibly unfair to scum for a townie to have unlimited self-heals. This would likely be a 1X or at most 2X power. You claim the amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. Yet, you say that it isn't likely to be useful to you.

Third, rules say that mafia have daytalk. Pine said he found info on Amulet of St. Markovia. I tried googling it but didn't find anything. If Pine flips scum, then one of the people with flavor knowledge (shaz or jason, IMO shaz) is likely scum as well and fed him info in the scum chat.

VOTE: Pine

You're right. Ordinarily, Town would have no reason to declare themselves BP. I, however, am not BP. It's complicated. Healing myself isn't a guarantee, as my role PM suggests that there are conditions and abilities which could stack to defeat it. It's also limited use. You said unlimited, not me. That's why I said it is "unlikely" I would get to use the amulet, as it would necessitate me surviving long enough to need recharging.

Also, I can direct the healing at someone else instead of me, which is why I feel it is beneficial to deploy some anti-scum WIFOM about how the power works and who I'll be targeting. It's not just a scum tool, it's just rare that Town is in the position of having more information and needing to act unpredictably. I've already put so much of myself out there that I felt it necessary to dodge and weave a bit.

Further, here's a link. I found it on my very first Google attempt, using the terms Strahd and amulet, because I couldn't recall the name that Shaziro said. Your Google-fu is

weak

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It doesn't quite say what it does, though.

I'm reading it as saying that if you have a 1X power and use it, this amulet would give you 1X back.

It also would give 2 back to a 2x power, or 3 back to a 3x power, etc. Don't misrep what I said, I said that it recharges a single power to full.

I am extremely happy with my Persival vote. He is WAY too interested in getting an empowered PR lynched, because he's afraid he can't get me killed at night.

I agree with this 100%. I don't agree with lynching Pine though because if we do, he gets to pick who the item goes to. If he dies at night, we get to vote on it.

Lynching scum outweighs the benefit of any item. We don't know that we have a vig.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm willing to at least wait through N1 to take Pine out.

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@Pine: If we lynch you, who would you give the item to?

Shaziro. He's my strongest Townread. He didn't have to give us the information that led to finding the amulet, and he didn't have to champion my softclaim when we got it. Indeed, I find it likely he would have received it by vote if I hadn't spoken up. I don't see scum motivations for those things. Other candidates are Kuror0 or SlySly, I get Town vibes from them.

Honestly I googled something like "D&D curse of strahd cemetary amulet" and found nothing of interest and then I gave up

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I'm still down for a Dunn vote, but I think I want to see this hang first.

You're down to vote me, but you're going to vote who I voted instead



k

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Pine/Dunn might be a bus

Why does it have to be a bus?

Am I in the twilight zone?

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I wonder who culted is an alt of

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I agree with this 100%. I don't agree with lynching Pine though because if we do, he gets to pick who the item goes to. If he dies at night, we get to vote on it.

Lynching scum outweighs the benefit of any item. We don't know that we have a vig.

OK so here slysly is responding to some towny-sounding persivul stuff about the pine claim, I'm on board with what persivul has said there but that is safe stuff to say as scum (I'm SRing persivul hard) - and agree with slysly here as well, and the mentality from slysly seems parallel to mine - scumpine lynched he gives to fellow scummy, dies at night means he's been targeted by scum because of the claim (and is town duh) and scum again aren't assured to have the item

scum will want to lynch pine if pine is town more than wait til Night, because, hey, that's a towny lynch to them and that is primary goal

I see a lot of pushing for a pine lynch - which also seems really off to me because ummm, hello, maj voted him to get the item. If maj. thought he was scum and should be lynched, we shouldn't have given him the item.

still not sold on townpine though, because he just reeks of scummyness all over - it's bothersome indeed

then we get this

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm willing to at least wait through N1 to take Pine out.

If Pine is scum and we don't lynch him, then scum definitely have the item tonight.

If Pine is scum and we do lynch him, then there's a good chance he gives the item to town as wifom, since whomever he gives it to will be a suspect.

scumpings galore from persivul here - framing to have pine seen as scum, to put it simply

words from sly sly like "take pine out" and again the general talking of killing pine now after maj. thought he should get it, is off to me - makes me want to go take another look at slysly too

I doubt a scum would go to those lengths just to get 1 item, feels like too much risk for some unknown reward.

I could see pine as a player doing it as scum PR, and I could see a scum goon doing it for many reasons, combine the 2 and I find it quite possible this is the case, combined with a lot of the scumminess I see in the rest of pine's play, yes, certainly not discounting this possibility.

I see more kuror and I have more and more of the same thoughts about persivul so I'll not reiterate them really.

definitely good with my persivul vote, those voting pine make me crazy - and I hate the claim and find him pretty scummy, but, still even so, no, that's a bad vote duhs

no one really comes close to scummyness as persivul I think but jason is close I could lynch him if it came to it, but we've got time so no rush

culted is giving me a good number of pings
shadowwez a few
dunn a bunch but that is a growing read
creature needs to give more substance, a lot more
liking what little I have seen from kuroi
shaz I have going back and forth

game is shaping up nicely!

VOTE: Drealmerz

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Whole game feels stalled

might be partially my fault

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Didn't even know pine had claimed anything. Just knew I'd have preferred him to not get it at that point

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Pine/Dunn might be a bus

Why does it have to be a bus?

Am I in the twilight zone?

Looks like a bus now because you moved your vote to drealmerz without explanation.

VOTE: Pine

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Dunn and dreal, I think.

Wait I'm getting called scum with dreal?

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idk, what lynches are being supported?

ok
justt a little mixup

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I have very little motivation to do anything other than mindlessly vote someone scummy day 1

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I think Andrius is a towny

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Creature wagon is bad

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Don't like that pine is voting jason though

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VOTE: Drealmerz

Messed up my vote

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I'm not

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Andrius is town
culted is town
Persivul is towny to me
Wouldn't lynch Shaziro unless I really thought he was scum because of the role knowledge thing

The rest I don't really care about

I'll lynch pine or drealmerz preferrably but we have 4 days left and I'll try to be more active during them

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What does drealmerz have to do with creature

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And you switched off because?

I mean I know I'm convincing that's all you gotta say

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Willing to lynch slysly and shaddowez too

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Looking through notes more, I have to make adjustments.

Town:
Andrius
drealmerz7
culted
shaddowez
Pine
Creature

Null:
Persivul
Shaziro

Scum:
kuror0
Dunnstral
JasonWazza
KuroiXHF

When I posted my reads, I thought I remembered Shaziro as the author of the intentional, meaningless runon sentence trying to appear as content masterpiece of 679, the credit for that scumminess goes to kuror0

Why did I move from null to scum?

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I hope everyone is re-reading and getting ready to post. It's way too quiet with the deadline looming.

Of course

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Why did I move from null to scum?

Notes review.

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VOTE: Shaddowez

I think his play is too similar to his scum game in Game of Thrones - Episode 2.

Note: i did not take part in Game of Thrones - Episode 2

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Kuror wagon

misguided

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I don't understand creatures role, was he shot by a vig as well?

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We're not going to the winery, by the way.

VOTE: Vistani Camp

Wouldn't mind Kresk either

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Your creature read was technically on point

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Pine why are you claiming?

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Explain why you think miller and traitor are unlikely together

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Not even close

And if scum had a cop or something miller would've confused them/ they might have attempted to convert me anyway. In fact if they knew there was a traitor they probably thought I was it because they didn't even attempt to recruit creature

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VOTE: Kresk

Not a fan of Pine's traitor/miller argument

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VOTE: Shaziro

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No.

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Feisty

And perhaps uncharacteristically aggressive

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There's no way I'm giving it to Dunn with a miller claim.

Looks like my campaign to get the item for myself ends here.

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Neither dunn.

Same

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VOTE: Pine

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VOTE: Andrius

This or shaziro for the item

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Why does a protective role want to hoard items for themself?

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between the messenger and pine I'm much more likely to believe that pine is scum.

Also, keep in mind that they could have fake identified themself through the anonymous message.

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Pine is scummier than Drealmerz. Just throwing that out there.

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dunn's in the middle because I fully expect him to be vig'd one of these nights given the insistence of a good chunk of the playerlist

Huh? I'm a lower townread because you think I'm going to be vigged?

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Also uh.
Dunnstral. Mr Miller. How do you investigate as? Aka do you investigate as a vampire or villain or vitriolic vole?

I investigate as a guilty result

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Zzz item thief isn't necessarily scum
Could be scumreading culted

Don't assume

What if pine flips scum?

VOTE: Pine

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Consider that pine is scum for a moment - they gain an item day 1 and it is not stolen

Day 2, someone else has their item stolen from them. Pine was campaigning to get the item for himself, as well

Scum might have both items. I don't see how stealing the item can be towny.

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Very unsorted and premature, but I promised a reads list:

Town:
Culted
drealmerz7
Shaziro

Null:
kuror0
SlySly
Andrius

Scum:
Pine
shaddowez
Persivul
Dunnstral

So these aren't like, all scum together right?

Or you think there's some mad bussing

Actually your reads suck. The only person who belongs in that scum pile is pine. Maybe shadow.

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scum:

culted
andrius
slysly
shaziro

Wouldn't lynch any of those.

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You know what.
I think this confirms my TINFOIL. The messenger might be STRAHD. Could be a means of reaching a traitor that doesn't cost an action.

The messenger claimed to be

Spoiler:

drealmerz. Hence my confusion.

between the messenger and pine I'm much more likely to believe that pine is scum.

Also, keep in mind that they could have fake identified themself through the anonymous message.

Pine is scummier than Drealmerz. Just throwing that out there.

What do I win?

Maybe you guys should follow my reads.

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a messenger pigeon, eh? you could have simply said "a little birdie sent it to me" or someshit - all your moves here are scum-motivated to try and paint me as scum

Huh? Do you think he's lying about the way the message is being sent?

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I entrusted you with multiple levels of information

you exposed it, and me

your message received confirmed at the beginning of the day was all that should have ever been said until I initiated otherwise

But why is that scummy as opposed to "bad"

Why does he "expose you" as scum and not nightkill you?

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I wonder what we should be focused on right now


The pool of 3 protective claims (jason being dead with enough protective power that I thought he'd be the only protective)

Or the pool of 1 investigative claim (with a miller in the game)

Gonna need some time to think on this one

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Yea, there isn't a reason to be trying to lynch kuror0 right now I think.

Could further assume scum didnt want or need pine's item
Or pine is scum

Bingo. I'm certain scum like recharging their limited shots just like town does.

Are you saying pine is scum? Why aren't you on this

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Are you saying pine is scum? Why aren't you on this

Pine's self heal makes him like a miller; conveniently safe from the scum NK. Because of your claims, you and Pine should be gone before endgame and are last resort lynches at the moment, imo.

I'm not opposed to lynching you or Pine.

There's a big mechanical difference between saying "the miller should be gone before endgame" and "we shouldn't resolves 3 protective roles today... let's get the cop"

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Should I claim my flavor or keep it a secret?

Nobodies really cared to ask me about it, just want me shot

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I don't have a problem with drealmerz.

scum claim


Three protective roles? Not even suspicious/asking for more info from drealmerz?

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FULL DISCLOSURE:

I received a message from someone overnight.

They basically told me that they have a similar role to Jason's but stronger and more.
Said they hope I'm a True Friend.
Capitalized letters were theirs.

While I appreciate the vote of confidence messaging me, I can't help shake the fact that this is all sorts of troublesome.

You know what.
I think this confirms my TINFOIL. The messenger might be STRAHD. Could be a means of reaching a traitor that doesn't cost an action.

The messenger claimed to be

Spoiler:

drealmerz. Hence my confusion.

Well, given that Jason and I are both protective roles, and I'm not the one who sent you the message, I'm calling bullshit on them.

Uhh?

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You're barking up the wrong tree, pine's rooted in and scum

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Probably not in the same forest as andrius

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SlySly, let's assume town has 3 town protectors

Ok. Scum have a strongman.

I'm saying "scum would be hopping on pine" is a dumb thing to come up with

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Pine why are you claiming?

OK.
VOTE: Vistani

Who did you target last night?

p-edit: Above is at pine. @Dunn - not reading the game I see. This is old news.

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Prod dodge I guess - like 4 posts since my last one

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Why don't we lynch dunn(just because his miller claim, I actually find him to be useful this time

What are you saying here

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I wouldn't lynch culted

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Once again, miller and traitor aren't roles that cancel each other out. It might suggest additional investigative presence

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With no evidence of a Vig in the game

creature died

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When the group moved to a drealmerz/Pine dichotomy, he clammed right up and let us go at it. That's actually a huge part of my sinking feeling that we're TvT

Are you daft? I said I didn't want to lynch drealmerz. I've said I wanted to lynch you.

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traitor isn't "negative utility to town" THEY'RE SCUM

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I mean, they're beyond negative utility because they can actually become a member of the scum team

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You'll note that I brought up Dunnstral again, and he immediately delurked

You'll note that I hadn't posted in 2 days 14 hours because nothing had been happening and so I didn't want to get prodded.

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Drealmerz, think we can call a truce and unite on Dunn?

Scummy

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I never sat back? I thought I explained how you weren't really likely to be scum and pine still is

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How are you going to accept the argument "there can't be traitor and miller" when pine's claiming day-doc after pretty much that role was jasons

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you've done a wonderful job defending me too

Sarcasm? You were never going to get lynched

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Ok, for what reason?

We don't have good info on investigatives yet besides kuror

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If it turns out that there's like a tracker and a rolecop then yeah I can see how miller claim looks scummy (though it would be a weird red herring in that case)
kuror is some kind of cop claim? if we assume he's town then it certainly works with miller

and maybe there's like a joat or something with an investigative, I did say there was probably increased investigative presence due to traitor miller

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oh how do you knokw that? discussed in scumchat that it'd be waayyyy too damning for the hammerer to hit me??

Honestly I was thinking "You weren't near lynch" but apparently you got pretty close and that blanked my mind

Yeah I think the people who voted for you are scummy

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flavor reasons - how does miller work into the lore?

I'm a barbarian, my intimidating presence causes unease and distrust in others

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Did we all overlook that the OP now has "in the dread plane"

Was that there before?

What are you talking about

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Note: I didn't check the op

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This drealmerz wagon composition is pretty garbage and there've got to be scum in here.

Yea this was what I'm getting at: but I don't want to discount a bus either.

Don't discount an obvious counterwagon to pine

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pedit: Dunn tell me why you're town.

I have no redeeming qualities

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Maybe if Pine flips scum.

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hmmm

If not pine I'm not opposed to voting shaddow at deadline

wouldn't vote drealmerz or shaziro

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hmmm

If not pine I'm not opposed to voting shaddow at deadline

wouldn't vote drealmerz or shaziro

This makes me immediately less comfortable with the Shaddow lynch. Hmm.

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I'm not fine lynching kuror when there's no other investigative claims

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If it werent for someone clearing you

Huh? Who, Culted? Who did that

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I don't beetlejuice, never

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oops

UNVOTE: pine
VOTE: andriusVOTE:

will also do culted or shaz today

no more pine

I don't like any of those choices drealmerz

Why did you come off of pine?

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Pine really wants to lynch me for being miller

I'd prefer to lynch someone scummy though

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I'm on pine, which is dominantly who I want to lynch today, i think I've talked about him. Do I need to look for another option this close to deadline?

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Him outting your true friend thing may have been dumb but it wasn't scummy - there isn't any scum motivation

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Dunn, explain your Pine read, I haven't seen any justification other than "He got an item" from you, and that's just as good as "he claimed miller" imo.

It's not the fact that he has the item

it's that he got it, claimed self-doc, then went for more items

All the while his push on me has been uninspired, even though I admit I'm not exactly super useful this game

Early on my vote was fueled by drealmerz claiming a protective but it looks like there was a misunderstanding/his role isn't really that, though I never wanted to move my vote off after

a bunch of little things make me think he's scum and if he's town he gets to give the item to someone towny

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Let's go, people. Lynch either me or Shaddow

I can agree to this

I don't intend to move my vote, though

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Creature is super pissy, by the way. He's posted like a dozen times this evening demanding for something to happen.

The TL;DR of that thread is that he wants us to prioritize Kuroi, Shaddow, and Culted. I don't agree with the last, but I said I'd bear the message.

Specifically about the Kuroi/Kuror0 alleged innocent, he's calling bullshit. Specifically, and I'm quoting here, "Tits or GTFO." I happen to concur. There's way too many vague "Trust me so-and-so is Town" in this thread.

What are you talking about?

A different game?

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If you lead the kill onto Tatyana's Incarnation, she joins the Mafia team as a Mafia Goon. Ah, Tatyana... To be reunited at last.

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Was a part of shadow's role pm; which means yeah creature wasn't a scum kill

Also this:

-The revelation of a Godfather again condemns Dunnstral. A Traitor, Miller, and Godfather all at once? Come on. Pull the other leg next time.

Doesn't mean anything either. The More the merrier they say

But really, if you think it's unlikely for those all to exist, just know that I'd know all that existed if I were scum

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VOTE: Crypts of Castle Ravenloft

Didn't come here to sightsee

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no don't claim sly

unless this is a massclaim or some shit
I think, if any town players killed drealmerz and/or kuror0, they need to speak up now
because if they were both vigged and shaz didn't commit a kill
we have our scumbag 1000000000%

Ok. No full claim yet.

I didn't kill anyone N1 or N2.
I strongly believe Shaz didn't commit any kill on N2.
I strongly believe Drealmz didn't commit any kill on N2.

Here's lookin' at you Dunn.

Why?

Honestly I don't mind dying if we can get a good poe pool down so if you have a reason to think I made the kill go for it. I didn't commit a kill either though

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I love this

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Why would anyone but strahd lead the kill

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1-Shot Strongman Day Vig (Not Day 1). Show them who is really in control here. Incite fear. Let them know powerlessness.

What happened with this?

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Guess he died without ever using it since it's strongman

Which is... pretty lame

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Paranoia about Trackers and Watchers, for one. I know when I'm scum I'm always worried about them

But anyone on the scum team can be tracked or watched

Why risk killing the mafia traitor

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Right, well I'm not scum so pine is presumably lying. Lynch pine after me, don't not lynch him for something dumb

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VOTE: Lake

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where am I

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Dunn claiming Miller was kind of his undoing. I don't think I'd have suspected him otherwise.

I didn't know I was in the mafia pt for the first half of the day

Anyway we actually made a boatload of mistakes that made this impossible to win

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Nah I wasn't paying attention at the start

I think I would have made shadow perform the kill if I knew he would convert traitors

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Hey can I join in on that ^