LicketyQuickety's Mini Normal - 1847

[Flubbernugget]

Shadow, in your mind, what was my reasoning for hopping on your wagon?

No reasoning, you just want to lynch town.

When I get to a computer I will cite in several places where you are embarrassingly wrong

[Flubbernugget]

My wagon is a textbook counterwagon from a textbook scum read

[nn30]

Your and my definitions of weak ass shade differ.

Seeing somebody's name - and pointing it out when somebody claimed to not post due to health reasons - requires actual effort.

Your shade throwing requires no such effort

[nn30]

My wagon is a textbook counterwagon from a textbook scum read

Wrong.

[Flubbernugget]

So now effort is indicative of alignment

Even if it did take more effort to point the activity out, how is that easier for town to do as scum? How reliable is this tell? What fucking planet are you living on?

[Flubbernugget]

My wagon is a textbook counterwagon from a textbook scum read

Wrong.

Your mother is probably a

very nice person

[Pine]

^lol

Too bad being funny is NAI

[Flubbernugget]

You literally just saw a counter to the wagon you started SCREAM into place and that's all you have to say?

[Pine]

You literally just saw a counter to the wagon you started SCREAM into place and that's all you have to say?

Please rephrase in a way that is gramatically decipherable. I've read this three times and have no idea who you're addressing or about what.

[Flubbernugget]

You started a wagon on tb/shadow_step

I sprung up really fast as a counterwagon

Why does this not bother you?

[Secret Agent Jin]

You started a wagon on tb/shadow_step

I sprung up really fast as a counterwagon

Why does this not bother you?

This is what confuses me

'you started SCREAM into place'

What even is this?

[nn30]

So now effort is indicative of alignment

Even if it did take more effort to point the activity out, how is that easier for town to do as scum? How reliable is this tell? What fucking planet are you living on?

You're doing a wonderful job misconstruing my meaning.

I'll rephrase so that my meaning is clear.

Scum have perfect information. That means that they are reading and interpreting the game in a totally different way from town. Town attempt to draw connections, scum read, and scum hunt, in a way that is very difficult to fake as scum (since you already know who is and isn't scum)!

So scum can either figure out how to fake town behavior really well

or

Make low effort scum reads (since they don't take nearly the amount of effort to fake).

Obviously, I think you're doing the latter.

P-edit - you didn't spring up as a counter-wagon that quickly actually. The TB wagon has basically been all we talked about today. We're FINALLY moving onto someone else with your wagon. There was no 'speed' involved.

[nn30]

An answer I would accept - I joined in and re-read the thread. The days we spent on TB don't feel like days to you because you hopped into the game a little later.

[PenguinPower]

Shadow...explain to me your nn30 townread.

[Pine]

You started a wagon on tb/shadow_step

I sprung up really fast as a counterwagon

Why does this not bother you?

I don't really believe in counterwagons anymore. I've seen that kind of logic backfire way more often than be helpful.

It's like the phrase "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Bullshit. "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less." Same with analyzing counterwagons. They deserve independent analysis unless there's reason to think otherwise.

Besides, I'm not even sure it qualifies as a counterwagon. The TB/S_S wagon was losing steam and falling apart before the wagon on you started. It's not a counterwagon, it's a second wagon.

[Flubbernugget]

*sigh*

Won't argue theory in thread. There's plenty of reason to believe shadow step is scum outside of wagons.

But you still seem incredibly indifferent to the fact that a wagon on your scum read is falling apart

[Flubbernugget]

At least one Mafioso is down - nice job to the town vigilante.

gerryoat is a shocking NK as he had only posted 3 times.

Let's try not to fuck this DP up by hammering someone by mistake.

The fact that you were pushing really hard on an easy lynch d1 just to come screaming out of the gates with...this...looks really bad

Prodge. Holiday weekend.

Really? That's your first post this game?

Yes. It is common for players to be inactive during a big holiday week.

Would you like to flesh out an opinion of my alignment from this post, or just let your empty jab at it stand as is?

It's more Drealmerz's actions and general impressions than specific things about TB. However, Congratulating the Doc is a classic newbie scumslip though, and congratulating the Vig is an entirely fluent translation of that.

So I guess the question is how new is TB?

He's been here for over a year and has numerous completed games.

I think that means he's not going to make the 'newb scum slip'

Do you agree?

Join date 2.5 months ago, post count 368. That's about as vulnerable to newbie tells as you get.

It's a common practice on other sites and TB doesn't seem to be bumbling hard enough for me to buy "absolute newbie"

Though I'm scum reading the same post as you for different reasons so I wonder about the value in actually arguing this

TB pushed an easy wagon to a premature lynch and was afterwards unable to formulate a single read

I town read penguins snark. I skipped reading most of the back and forth between you two

VOTE: shadow step

L1

I'm just going to assume that Garmr's case won't be good enough to save nn from implication in the event this slot flips scum. I also don't like that attention is drifting from the slot

Shadow Step

Can you better explain how you are interpreting these posts as having no reasoning in them?

Nn

Can you explain how it takes effort to say I'm not using reasoning in lieu of these posts?

[nn30]

1) You've just put a bunch of quotes together and asked a question. This still isn't effort.

2) Even if I did consider it effort, putting effort in after you've been scum read for not putting effort in is meaningless.

[Flubbernugget]

I could do flubber but 1SVT is literally doing nothing.

I'm not asking about the compilation (though it takes more effort to compile posts than to see a name appear on a different board)

I'm not even asking about effort I have made

You are saying shadow step is using effort in his reads

I am saying shadow step is ignoring my posts

How does it take effort to ignore my posts?

[Flubbernugget]

Can you explain how my posts had no effort in them before I quoted them?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Everyone:

Please note that in 505, 447 is meant to be 482.

@Flubber:

I made a mistake, meant your question in 482. I didn't like that question because it felt like a trap and not a question that felt like it was genuinely trying to understand motivation or thought. What were you expecting to get out of Shadow there?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You started a wagon on tb/shadow_step

I sprung up really fast as a counterwagon

Why does this not bother you?

This is what confuses me

'you started SCREAM into place'

What even is this?

What are you trying to say here?

[Shadow_step]

Flubber your whole logic falls flat on it's face because if I was scum I'd have voted you by now. There is lietrally no reason for me not to.

[Pine]

*sigh*

Won't argue theory in thread. There's plenty of reason to believe shadow step is scum outside of wagons.

But you still seem incredibly indifferent to the fact that a wagon on your scum read is falling apart

I'm not indifferent, just realistic about how mafia is like herding cats. The fact that I also quite like the alternate wagon mitigates my annoyance too.

Flubber your whole logic falls flat on it's face because if I was scum I'd have voted you by now. There is lietrally no reason for me not to.

Sure there is. He's your scumbuddy.

[Shadow_step]

Yes. We would make it so goddamn easy.