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[Fire Assassin]

Hello all, 24 pages doesn't seem like much to catch up on.
Skimmed over my previous person in slot before I replaced in so have somewhat of starting point.

[Fire Assassin]

Hello all, 24 pages doesn't seem like much to catch up on.
Skimmed over my previous person in slot before I replaced in so have somewhat of starting point.

Hi Fire.

Do you prefer playing as town or scum?

Recently I prefer playing scum because it allows me to relax more in games and not get angry.

[Fire Assassin]

And you say you skimmed over the slot BEFORE you replaced in?

Thoughts?

Yes, I did.

I can see where your going but no, this isn't a scum slot.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire, you might be the lynch in the next 72 hours, do you have any claim to make?

I mean, not really.

I am a PR but I am not claiming what role because WIFOM.

If you want to lynch me you can.

[Fire Assassin]

I could actually just bold Vote: Fire Assassin and you'd be dead.

I want Saru dead, but you're making a pretty convincing case I should do the above -_-

I just replaced into the slot (like three hours ago). You can hammer if you wish when we get closer to deadline.
Id like to do a bit of scumhunting before I go, and before you all look bad for lynching PR.

So at least you can see my thoughts (even though I am pretty sure they will be ignored).

[Fire Assassin]

A scummy fucking claim.

I could see FE going fuck you all I don't give a shit, but why claim jack then?

FE?

[Fire Assassin]

For the record, from what little I have read, I am townreading GreyIce.
I need to go more into the game though since I have zero scumreads.

UNVOTE:

[Fire Assassin]

Like... FA, I don't care about PRs. I don't. Mafia always have one when they claim on day 1, and your scummy ass claim can't be counterclaimed. That's why it's scummy shit.

I don't care if its scummy or if I appear scummy.
My job isn't to appease you, my job is to find scum.

I am not giving a claim under any circumstances at this point.
If thats a deal breaker for you, then I would suggest hammering me after I do my catch up.

[Fire Assassin]

Alpaca is pretty scummy

[Fire Assassin]

Alpaca is pretty scummy

Nevermind, he got alot better as the day went on.
I am throwing the initial read as early game relaxed tone.

[Fire Assassin]

But you did try to appease us, with that "I'm a PR" shit. That was a direct attempt at appeasement. Like now you're hitting okay notes, but it's all talk and no walk.

If you want to have a fight, let me first finish my catch up, okay?
I am fine with a brawl with you. You just gotta wait.

[Fire Assassin]

I did a quick ISO of Lmk. No solid opinions on the guy, theres points he seems fence sitting, theres points he seems like he is making genuine opinions, but most of the time it looks like he doesn't know what to do. And I have no idea what to classify the guy as. Might be able to PoE him once I finish looking at everything else.

[Fire Assassin]

So my gut scum read on Alpaca was b/c I felt like his #8 and #10 were a little glib and trollsy and I think that sometimes can come from scum. I also didn't like his vote on Karnos like at all. Meta wise, when he is town he seems to hunt more. I mean I know its early game and there's not much of anything but I mean...GUT! Also his reaction to getting waggoned was mostly just waving it off. If he was town wouldn't he be more paranoid of a growing wagon on him? His faux rage vote on me in 55 was also p funny.

Agreed with this assessment on the earlier parts from Alapaca,, though I thought it was more "not taking game seriously yet and relaxed" versus trolly.

[Fire Assassin]

But you did try to appease us, with that "I'm a PR" shit. That was a direct attempt at appeasement. Like now you're hitting okay notes, but it's all talk and no walk.

If you want to have a fight, let me first finish my catch up, okay?
I am fine with a brawl with you. You just gotta wait.

I actually didn't want to brawl. Your wagon got five votes out of literally nowhere. That's not proof of town, but it's not a bad sign.

But then you gotta go commit one of my top 3 "favorite activities of scum" and that makes me sad. Like what you did is horrible as town and great as scum, so you're either stupid or scum who panicked.

I mean I could buy you're ornery enough to tell us to go fuck ourselves for claim, but what you did instead was horrid.

I mean, I haven't said anything about my wagon speed or anything. I usually indicate wagon speed means something. But considering deadline, its probably just a "We must get a lynch now!" wagon. But thats me without reading it.

I don't consider myself horrible town, so I take issue with that.

And I would probably say go fuck yourselves for asking me to claim when I just sub into the game.

[Fire Assassin]

Spoiler: Part of Catch Up

This may seem clusterfucked. I am taking more detailed notes from about page 6 (when I argue most RVS is gone) to page 14~
Agree with this post 162, with regards to grundy thusfar.
TvT I am assuming on Page 6 between Nero and Iron.
169 interesting reads from my previous slot holder. I think I should look into these nulls more. Right now my thoughts are that Karnos could be scum of these.
175 kind of townie post here by Karnos
So far on page 8 the most striking thing about it was Lowell and Saru. Saru posting was very different than what I have experienced with his style before and his reasoning wasn't detailed or going into. He kind of expected you to understand why he thought a certain way without going into the process, which was atypical from other games. I have no idea of the relation of those two, but both struck something from me as either defending someone for no reason or possibly defending a buddy? One, unlikely both. I need to pay attention to all three more.
Iron is definitely town. I hate to use effort = alignment. But I find very few scum going through the effort to saying they ran a persons posts through comparison algorithm to try to find differences.

Tracer wagon seems horribly sheep for no adequate reasoning beyond "not posting".
282 more fence sitting from LmK. Going to call it scum if I see it again.
304 various issues with this post, mostly wording that was used. Though I liked some of it. +1.5 Townie to Hufflepuff
Okay, Saru is being all kinds of bad in his posting. Might just ignore rest of reading and put a lynch on him.

VOTE: Saru

[Fire Assassin]

Fire Assassin: you are still near the top of my potential scum list. I'll return my vote to you before seeing a no lynch, so this is just a tentative change.

You likewise are high on my scum list right now.
Tied with Lowell.

Town: Iron, Grey, Nero,
Lean Town: Alpaca
Null: LmK, Penguin, Thor665, malpascp
Scum lean: You, Lowell
Scum: Saru, arundy

Seriously, we're hopping off the guy who said "I'm a PR but I'm never going to tell you what it is." Seriously?

I don't see how me full claiming helps.

[Fire Assassin]

You didn't hammer.
Moron.

[Fire Assassin]

Karnos moved his vote.
You didn't hammer.

Still a moron.

[Fire Assassin]

Um, it helps because it helps verify and suss you out. Otherwise why ask for claims at all...scum would just claim PR and say they wouldn't tell you what the role is...oh, wait.

How does it help verify me?
First of all, just because I claim a role doesn't mean I am that role. Even if no one counter claims me.
I can claim a role that is normal but not used very often by moderators so as to make it unlikely I am CCed.

Second of all, lets say I do claim something. Lets say this causes someone else to say "LIAR" and then lynch me. I flip town. They get nked or lynched day 2 for their claim. Thats the kind of stupid shit happens when claims enter the picture. Happened in the game I modded (except a player directly lied about their PR on day 1), happens in other games.

You want to lynch me because you think I am scum, fine. But seriously, not outing my role at least not day one.

[Fire Assassin]

FIRE, CHANGE YOUR VOTE TO VOTE SARU.

I am already voting Saru.

[Fire Assassin]

I think Fire is probably town. I can see Grey's concern about my play compared to 1800, but I've changed a bit since then, and so I don't see his tunnel on me as scum necessarily, but just really stupid. Which makes me wonder: is Grey really this stupid? ehhh...

My read on you is actually because of 1800 as well.
Its a very different style of play, and you do seem to be lacking in thought in your posts.

Want to go into a bit more, just for old times?

[Fire Assassin]

So he was town in this 1800 game right?

Yes.

[Fire Assassin]

FA: are you an alt that was in 1800, or just someone who read the game?

Yes; but it won't help you read me here.

I think Fire is probably town. I can see Grey's concern about my play compared to 1800, but I've changed a bit since then, and so I don't see his tunnel on me as scum necessarily, but just really stupid. Which makes me wonder: is Grey really this stupid? ehhh...

My read on you is actually because of 1800 as well.
Its a very different style of play, and you do seem to be lacking in thought in your posts.

Want to go into a bit more, just for old times?

I understand that I'm lacking in thoughts. Trust me, I don't dispute that. But, I don't really have ALL that much to say. Like, I gave who I thought was town and scum in a previous post and that hasn't really changed. I would argue there are players who are more lacking than me in that regard, and so it seems to be more of a meta argument against me more than anything else.

If you have questions for me, then just ask.

I don't think anyone is saying you are the one lacking the MOST in thought, but its definitely a huge difference. Like I had some posts I specifically looked at and just somethings that were said seemed like you left alot of potential stuff out if you were really thinking about them in a serious fashion.

So I am just wondering why the change in style, if I may ask?

[Fire Assassin]

I am also praying to the Mafia deities that I didn't fuck up the VC this time.

Sadly, you have Karnos voting twice. His vote is still on me, IIRC.

I can actually see Knight for scum here. His posts have been lacking and just disappointing. I'll think about Karnos later.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Knighty Knight

Like this is pretty empty. What has Knights posts been lacking? How are they disapointing?
These are things you seem like you can go over into more detail if you thought this.

Then later you say I am town.

It feels like you are voting with a crowd a bit here.

[Fire Assassin]

That is what my stance actually was, and still is. Notice how I said I would speak up in some cases, and reveal town reads as the game progresses? That is the opposite of "never sharing town reads".

Simply put, I caught you in a lie and now you are trying to move the goal posts and change the subject. Nice try scum. Enjoy your rope.

Yup, you just confirmed to me your scum.

You said:
"if someone was getting wagoned hard and I thought they were town, I'd speak up."
But the situation your ass was caught in was sheeping Iron, who you gave a town read to. Iron wasn't being wagoned, so he didn't have to be revealed to be a town read by you. So you aren't even consistent in your own stance.

If Iron was being wagoned and you said "Nah guys chill, he's town and I town read him" then we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's not what happened. Your scum. kthxbai.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thor665
I'm almost 100% on Thor being scum here. His push on Karnos is all kinds of bad, and I don't see how he doesn't see it. Like I get the hypocrisy that Karnos is doing(I've pointed it out like 3 times now myself), but it isn't anything damning, and it just feels really nit-picky at this point.

Also, Lowell is acting like crazy kinds of different from another game I played with him where he was town. He's isn't as...verbose? Or he just doesn't explain things as much. His lurking fits the pattern from the other game though, so I can't say much about that.

I think Fire is probably town. I can see Grey's concern about my play compared to 1800, but I've changed a bit since then, and so I don't see his tunnel on me as scum necessarily, but just really stupid. Which makes me wonder: is Grey really this stupid? ehhh...

I'll claim at L-1, if I get there.

These also seem so disconnected If I didn't see the name of the posters I would swear it was two different posters.

[Fire Assassin]

Can you go more into transition on karnos is def scum to not liking Thor for his push?

[Fire Assassin]

I am interested to see what happens here instead:

VOTE: Thor

[Fire Assassin]

I'm happy how fast Saru's wagon came together because I want to lynch him. Is a VT claim seriously dissuading FA? After I said scum always claim PR? I'd rather just lynch FA frankly, after that pathetic showing.

But no. Saru dies.

It really wasn't his role claim that is dissuading me. I am more interested right now in a Thor wagon lynch than Saru.

[Fire Assassin]

Could you explain how these three reads interact?

You are a null read since I haven't really read you to get an idea on where you stand.
Saru was scum because I didn't think he was game solving and his style was different than a previous town game of his. Now just a scum lean.
Karnos was leaning scum because of a few bad posts. As of recent events he is back to null.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: malp

[Fire Assassin]

Could you explain how these three reads interact?

You are a null read since I haven't really read you to get an idea on where you stand.
Saru was scum because I didn't think he was game solving and his style was different than a previous town game of his. Now just a scum lean.
Karnos was leaning scum because of a few bad posts. As of recent events he is back to null.

Do you expect any of your reads to semi-solidify at any point, and if so when?

Not really.
I expect my reads to move around between null and scum quite a bit.

Those who earn a spot in my townreads are unlikely to ever move though. They are likely going to be a townread for me the whole game.

[Fire Assassin]

We were given extra time people.
How about we use it?

[Fire Assassin]

Since I already outted I am a power role I am going to add to that discussion why not (without giving away my role).
Assuming I am a power role that can act.
Who should I target for Investigative/Protective/or Killing abilitie(s).

This is just who you think I should target.

[Fire Assassin]

How about just for the lulz, you answer it.

[Fire Assassin]

Like right now I am leaning invest Thor/Saru, Prot Nero/Ice, and killing any of the lurkers.

[Fire Assassin]

Your going to have to be very explicit on how I am feeding scum Info here.

[Fire Assassin]

Um...you're asking everyone what they want to see happen. How does that not help scum tailor their NK and roll in to D2 play?

I am wondering how you do you mean they would tailor their NK? And want to see happen?
Are you saying that they will avoid killing people are suggesing to prot, and killing someone who is invest target and not killing?

I am lost how this helps them beyond giving it more WIFOM.

[Fire Assassin]

I think he means that you listed who you were thinking of investigate/kill/protecting which means scum can avoid these listed people and NK someone else to avoid your potential power role. They could of course role blocker you too (I am assuming there can be a RB in normal, soz if not, first normal game).

Anyway, him asking that question is almost like asking people for a reads list. Looking at the people that a person lists actually shows what that player thinks of the listed people.

Yeah, no thats stupid.

[Fire Assassin]

Nothing to say so far. I wonder if ice was guarding me or targeted himself? I assume the former.

[Fire Assassin]

I meant he died guarding someone else but was targeted himself for the kill.

[Fire Assassin]

Because I was typing on my phone and I sometimes cut out words in the middle of sentences.

[Fire Assassin]

How stupid are you?

[Fire Assassin]

I kind of don't think grey died protecting me either. So we are in agreement.

[Fire Assassin]

I mean why would scum try to kill me when they have people like you saying they were going to lynch me tomorrow, anyways?

[Fire Assassin]

Yeah, because I'm such a convincing player with a huge following behind me. Anyways. Parked absent a legit scum slip or claim.

I claim scum.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Lmkguy
I feel like I am back in RVS

[Fire Assassin]

I guess I should announce that scum have some sort of role blocking role.

[Fire Assassin]

I kind of don't think grey died protecting me either. So we are in agreement.

[Fire Assassin]

What would a specific claim really get us at this point? If you think he's lying, a specific claim won't make his claim sound more real, will it?
I would say he should full claim if he's put to L-1 with a hammer intent, otherwise I don't get the point.

Minus the L-1 stuff this post.

[Fire Assassin]

I thought about claiming this, and I decided to do it because I don't see how it's damaging to the town.
I know I was blocked by role blocked, and not jail keep.
I know this because I was neighborized including with my action failing.

So I highly kind of doubt with what I know about setup that the person who neighborized me is also scum.
That would mean two scum targeted me night one.
which sounds highly doubtful.

[Fire Assassin]

There's no way scum went to kill me and blocked me. That's redundant unless they thought I was Vigi one of them.

[Fire Assassin]

The funny thing is I am townreading you for being so bullheaded.

[Fire Assassin]

Site wide V/LA till Sunday.

[Fire Assassin]

Wasn't the site down for two days? I was half checking in a few times between my vla

[Fire Assassin]

Yes, it was. Glad you're back. Claim.

I though I claimed scum already?

[Fire Assassin]

PP you're scum, right? Why are you so adamant that Nero/Thor are town?

I highly doubt he is scum.

[Fire Assassin]

I have no idea who is good lynch at this point.
So few strong tr at this point as well.

[Fire Assassin]

Also, I hopped off the FA wagon because he started actually doing something with the slot he replaced into. Notice that I voted for Knight for his lacking posts, which FA made up for. How scummy of me to hop off the wagon of a slot which starts doing the opposite of what I scum read it for! :

Besides me claiming power role, I haven't done much.... Especially today. So...

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Thor

[Fire Assassin]

I don't know what to say about this game right now.

[Fire Assassin]

Why does Bj look like scum?

[Fire Assassin]

BTW fire, do you have any report or clear to provide?

No, I gave the info I have to start day. There is role blocker present among scum.

[Fire Assassin]

DROP THE HAMMER

Stop this stuff.
You did it yesterday too.

[Fire Assassin]

304 From Lowell is horrible especially the ending. Practically screams "No one is going for mislynch candidate one let's go for mislynch candidate two. This means Fire Assassin likely town Lowell likely scum.

I am so lost on how you got to this.

[Fire Assassin]

well played scum, well deserved win by you.

[Fire Assassin]

Very disappointed with a penguin lynch to end game, he was my strongest townread in the game.