Micro 659: Game Of Thrones S1E2 GAME OVER

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VOTE: BBT

lets start with the first scum

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also im town!

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cakez doesnt wagon bbt with me

ergo cakez is scum

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Kuroi vote bbt

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VOTE: cakez

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because that was episode 1

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bbt is the only one who hasnt confirmed so hes certainly not lurking

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why?

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youre not doing so well so far

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Its definitely cersei and jamie

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These posts were boring

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CC and Kraeg, how do you feel about the Cakez wagon?

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So is anybody that's not wagoning BBT with you scum, or just Cakez?

Just Cakez. He has a tendency to sheep me as town.

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CC and

Kraeg, how do you feel about the Cakez wagon?

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i dont like kraeg so far

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not quite

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that's ridiculous

It's clear scum are going to be the Lannisters, nobody else fits

What else is there about the flavor to discuss or hide?

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That'd be a flavor cop, not a role cop, but I do agree with your thinking here.

seriously?

That was a ridiculous stretch, Kuroi was just obviously fluffing about the flavor there.

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Again, I mostly agree with this.

so you agree that people are trying to hide/avoid to discuss things about the flavor?

Show me where it happened.

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No, I am sure they won't, as they have fakeclaims as with all Radja games.

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^while this in turn looks like youre trying to find filmsy reasons to push people

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VOTE: kraeg

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Kraeg do you usually get scumread as town?

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Kraeg do you usually get scumread as town?

I'm not really sure if I always get scumread. Sometimes people just scumread a certain player because that player opposed someone who is townreading them, or they simply just disagree with his ideas, and not really because they think that person is scum.

this response feels manipulating
you're subtly trying to make us think we're wrongly scumreading you for your "ideas"

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like, that had nothing to do with what i asked yet you said it anyway

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also we are going to need a replacement for expedience so

hai mollie?

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I do too; I read it as fake bravado

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neh he's probably just scum

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Where were you trying to stir the game? All you tried to do is cast doubt on people

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ok you're playing dumb at this point so you can go

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hai mollie

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I already wanna lynch wis

unsurprising

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Id say youre WKing kraeg as he feels obvious scum to me, but after guiltylion's post i guess he isnt to everyone

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I think people want to lynch Kraeg because he threw up a "go ahead and lynch me, scum is on my wagon" response when I nudged his wagon along

like, yes, the fake bravado is there, but its only a minor reason. Townies can post "lynch me" too.

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she already answered that

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^scum

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dont tell me i have to explain why

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wat

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mollie plz be town

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you should be asking mollie that

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she came into the thread with a defense on kraeg and a scumread on me and suddenly she's voting him

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if you end up being town coming up with this contrived bullshit im taking a break until the playerbase changes up

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mollie plz be town

Why the change of heart?

Probably because of your post. The magic phrase is "I could hammer you".

lolno, you should be hammered.

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your reasoning on BBT is literally "he's prod-dodging, means he's scum"

you can't possibly expect us to take this seriously

BBT is skilled enough that he would never resort to lurking, it's crystal clear that the prod dodging is happening because he actually doesn't have time for the game.

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mollie please explain your change of mind

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bullshit

by that logic every lurker ever is scum because town would never lurk

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yeah, unfortunately for everyone there are townies who like to just torment people and be as anti-wincon as possible

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I think that it is scummy that kuroi is asking for a claim and kraeg is acting like he has no idea what kuroi is talking about and then getting mildly hostile towards kuroi. the hostility looks fake. and I don't like him going after bbt, it looks like he is trying to deflect.

okay, I can agree with that.

What are your other reads? What happened to your read on me?

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so you said you wanted to lynch me without actually wanting to lynch me?

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Essentially, you're saying, "I'm as confident of him being scum as I possibly can be without a confirmed cop result." Is that correct?

i dont actually know
his posts feel so contrived so consistently that im starting to think hes just THAT bad
which i shouldnt be thinking ever because its against common sense but blame the years of me seeing bad town players playing badly

and also im not liking mollie's posts so there's that

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But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

nah, if anything it's the opposite.
my brain made my hands type that because it actually thinks Kraeg will cause me to take a break, or I wouldn't have posted it at all.

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I honestly can't tell if you are srs or not.

I want to lynch for the reasons I stated. it was an auto-reaction for the reasons I stated. given our history of reacting to such twitches has not been fruitful...ever. so i waited. but put my concern out there until I saw a place where we intercected with our thoughts. which is what I always look for in you and I found it.

its almost like you have not seen me do this before.

srsly get a grip.

all you said was "I already wanna lynch wis"
usually you have a reason for it, no?
here that's all you said, as if you just said it because you felt compelled to say it
and then poof, it's gone and you're sheeping me on the lynch you called not a good lynch

if you are town I want you to stop overreacting and help me see you are town.

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But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

nah, if anything it's the opposite.
my brain made my hands type that because it actually thinks Kraeg will cause me to take a break, or I wouldn't have posted it at all.

You can't seriously expect me to believe that, do you?

*shrug*
I felt like sharing my thoughts for once, take the chance while you can

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so you want me to just leave mollie alone..? im trying to not be aggressive with her for this purpose

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you think it's impossible that Kraeg is town?

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then why is it wrong to try to sort mollie now if you're open to the possibility of her being scum?

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yay overreacting

Im not allowed to think a red pm can ever find its way into your inbox apparently

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i feel like youre lining up lynches

what does kraeg's flip have to do with mollie?

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Isnt wanting to give him a fair shot in line with not being ready for a lynch? I dont see a contradiction there

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or they could both be town? I dont see you considering that scenario

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VOTE: cakez

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prod dodging is not alignment indicative, drop it already

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Kraeg wagon is old

So you dont think hes scum anymore? Walk me through your thought process here.

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kraeg if I look through your town games, will I find you to be as useless and bad as you are in this game?

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So youre not scumreading Kraeg ill take it

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kraeg if I look through your town games, will I find you to be as useless and bad as you are in this game?

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Im in dire need of townreads
It currently feels like im the only town in the game

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seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

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eh
good thing im probably right about you being scum and ill die tonight
i cant stand this game

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seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

yep. cos it is claim refusal seems to come from stubborn town than dumb scum, who refuses to claim on d1.

bullshit
refusing to claim is personality related and has nothing to do with alignment
it's just a weak excuse for you to leave the wagon

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GL is town

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VOTE: bbt

L-1

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I'm gonna try my best to play this game.

It's my only one.

you're doing great BBT

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nope

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VOTE: cakez

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guiltylion is town, kuroi
why are you even scumreading him

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I'm interested in why you're town reading him. Most of his posts seem like fluff, and he shotguns out posts without much engagement.

i like his posts

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rb also feels town so far

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Do you think that a Kraeg/mollie scum team is impossible? I don't personally think it's likely (I'm not scum reading mollie), but you seem to be excluding the possibility based on this post.

no it's not impossible, but at the time I felt like mollie's 180 on Kraeg was scum mollie getting on a mislynch wagon

currently I think mollie's probably town and I don't know what Kraeg is

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who is this to?

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Cakez is probably town btw.

why's that?

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ok but I dont think he's town so if you don't help me see where I'm wrong we can't procceed

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I think the scumteam is going to be cakez+bbt

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thats cute

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he is at L1 but I wanna hear what he has to say.

also I wanna talk to wis

sup

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Sorry. I missed the part where he's town?

I mean im townreading him, why are you not?

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Why do you feel he's just trying to appear useful and protown as opposed to actually being useful and protown?

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uh okay
How do you feel about Cakez? Why are you voting BBT?

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I think the scumteam is going to be cakez+bbt

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oh, "out of" as in which of those three

Kraeg, in that case

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but not doing it

we're lynching Cakez

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He will get replaced if that continues

What's your read on Cakez?

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i dont do cold meta, you know that

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i think confusing was genuine but is null either way

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and idk about kraeg, he could be scum, he could be bad town. though in both cases I feel like he's worse than he should be given he's not a newbie.

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because i cant read kuroi

I think he's town but I always think he's town even when he isn't

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no, lets lynch cakez

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before the inevitable "omg robb cant be a fakeclaim", yes he can.

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something tells me i was wrong about kuroi yet again

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you hammered way too easily as if you took advantage of the chance

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anyway in case i dont live

i think gl and rb are town

BBT slot needs pressure

Kraeg shouldnt see endgame

And mollie i think is town but my read there is pretty weak

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VOTE: bbt

mollie is town

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I'm here because I want to play.

Yet youre not playing

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GL is still town

Kuroi is probably scum

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What role?

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Staying on bbt.

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bbt is scum

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because he is

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What i dont know is who the buddy is

Kuroi is town and Kraeg is unlikely

Maybe shaddow

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@mollie what GL said more or less
Kuroi's actions today dont feel like scum
BBT on the other hand does nothing but tunnel kuroi for bullshit, thats scum bbt
Kraeg doesnt make much sense as a bbt buddy, so im thinking shaddow is thd other one

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what cult are you talking about

Scum neighborizers happen all the time

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Why did you neighborize BBT?

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Because I was most confident in him being town.

what

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How were you confident in him being town when he has done nothing all game?

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I said more confident of you being scum.

no, that's not what you said
You said you were most confident in him being town
Why neighborize him over mollie, GL, rb, shaddow etc etc?

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gl has a point tho. this type of crazy weird ass logic usually DOES come from town. but

Does it? In a recent game scum-Kuroi admitted to being crazy on purpose so that he gets townread

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I'm pretty much only willing to lynch in {GuiltyLion, BBT, Kraeg} today.

Why is GL in there again?

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I'm pretty much only willing to lynch in {GuiltyLion, BBT, Kraeg} today.

Why is GL in there again?

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BBT. I want reads on people. Other than Kuroi.

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mollie, possibly. I still don't like BBT though.

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then do town things.

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why GL?

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and yes, I do, why?

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maybe but I think he's just silly like that sometimes when he's town without planning to be so on purpose

he does try to replicate it as scum though and he has said so

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I agree with that pile if BBT is town; if he isn't I feel like neither Kuroi nor Kraeg make sense as BBT buddies so shaddow has to be the buddy

I could see Kraeg/shaddow too

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Im not convinced about anything other than that mollie and GL are town

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VOTE: shaddow

I think it's shaddow and kraeg

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mostly c but a too. Kraeg keeps being so scummy and I feel like I'm dumb for continuing giving him a pass

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i dont see why not

kraeg hasnt really pushed lion, he's voting BBT

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im good with lynching shaddow or kraeg

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then vote shaddow

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^scum

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should have stayed on bbt

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yeah ok
you dont quickhammer without a claim as town

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its bbt/kraeg for whoever doesnt understand the obvious scum theatre

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two

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no?

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^scum was for bbt's hammer

it's bbt and kraeg

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that's what i meant

wtf kuroi

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what are you having trouble understanding?

if shaddow is town it's bbt and kraeg

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that explains bbt's play

Kraeg is probably the other one but I'll reconsider GL in light of this nightkill

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mollie and Kuroi are town, pretty sure

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they might have a rolecop
BBT would make a good rolecop target on N1

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me and mollie are not scum

also cersei (who's definitely the other scum) makes sense as rolecop

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you thought wrong, i know the flavor

and shaddow flipped Jamie, meaning Cersei is the other one

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And Lion because I was thinking BBT is a weird kill for Kraeg

but then I thought about the rolecop so maybe

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and can you explain your reasoning on the lion turn around?

And Lion because I was thinking BBT is a weird kill for Kraeg

but then I thought about the rolecop so maybe

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vengeful is a dangerous role to keep in play, especially when you're the only scum alive

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Don't want to lynch Wisdom, Kraeg or Mollie.

Scum is in Kuroi, Shadow, GL.

see, based on both this and the fact that Kraeg has been pushing BBT all game I find it hard to believe that Kraeg would make that kill. Even if he rolecopped him and saw him being a vengeful, too.

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also, I just ISO'd shaddow and I further don't think Kraeg is his buddy based on his posts

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yesterday shaddow hadnt flipped

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okay.

mollie, if it is between Kuroi and GL, who do you think it is?

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I don't, I think it's either him or GL

I know what I posted at daystart but that had its purpose

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ill be less cryptic actually

he neighborized me.

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it does

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i answered to you twice about Lion

i wanted to make him think im townreading him to see what he'd do in the hood
i didnt really get much from that

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okay im just going to do this before you get more paranoid

I am a weak doctor, I protected you N1 and N2.

I hinted I would be doing that in case you were scum and I died here (first and last line):

anyway in case i dont live

i think gl and rb are town

BBT slot needs pressure

Kraeg shouldnt see endgame

And mollie i think is town but my read there is pretty weak

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VOTE: bbt

mollie is town

also this

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Hmmm... Interesting.

VOTE: kuroi

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I already told Kuroi about me having an inno on you, so him saying he wants to vote you makes no sense (I'd also have to be scum if you were) and his "interesting" is bullshit

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Also interesting.

I'm curious how I went to strong town to scum enough for a vote.

you were never strong town

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so you wanted to policy vote on D3

total sense

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anyway, I'm glad we have two lynches

If Kuroi decided to be a huge scummy idiot GL can go tomorrow

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no, mollie cant be scum

if im scum im the only remaining scum and if im town shes town

good luck pushing me as scum

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okay. From what you said you think it to be GL, so you should be fine with going today if we lynch him tomorrow

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okay then ill just assure you you dont have to worry, whoever of me/mollie is alive tomorrow will carefully consider both GL and Kraeg as options

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also i just have to point out that in the same post you're thinking I could be scum yet are also sure I am going to die tonight

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to act dumb on purpose

you've done it before and you've specifically stated you did it to fool me

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thats cool

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you should
Kraeg is so shallow that he didnt even realize mollie is conftown

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If you remember on D1, I brought up the discussion about the flavor and how the Lannisters would be the scum in this game. Both shaddowez and GL called the discussion useless. If you were the scum Lannister, it would make sense to discredit this kind of discussion.

this is not only shallow, it's also bad
I also called the flavor discussion useless, yet you're not mentioning me
Kuroi called Cersei "not evil", which by your logic you should be all over with, yet you're not mentioning him

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i wont even comment on the wagon one

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GL address my reasoning for why Kraeg isn't the last scum please

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sure, we got lucky catching you

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Him doing that should be a town move to talk to someone who hasn't been posting.

except that Kuroi claimed that he neighborized him because he was his top town read

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Why did you neighborize BBT?

Because I was most confident in him being town. I considered neighborizing you, but I figured the chances were heavier of you either being scum or dead by night one.

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I said more confident of you being scum.

no, that's not what you said
You said you were most confident in him being town
Why neighborize him over mollie, GL, rb, shaddow etc etc?

Fine. implied. I implied most confident compared to others.

I don't know scum Mollie, and I worry about my ability to read her.

I don't like GL.

I don't like Shaddow.

So it was either him or rb and I know BBT better.

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Wisdom, read the PT. I don't know if I can quote it, but you can look.
Last line of Post 6.

yes, that line is you saying to BBT that you neighborized him in order to read him better

But that's not what you said inthread

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just do it then lynch GL tomorrow if the game hasnt ended

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gg; gl mollie otherwise

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it was a hammer

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and i said, good game, good luck mollie if not

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yeah lynch GL tomorrow
dont get paranoid

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gg

good job mollie on not getting paranoid

Thanks for the game, Radja!

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be more town

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if you end up being town coming up with this contrived bullshit im taking a break until the playerbase changes up

A note on this;

Kraeg, try to be less shallow with things. People who lurk are not necessarily scum, people who are on a scum's wagon are not necessarily town, and people who think flavor is irrelevant are not necessarily scum who are afraid of being caught by flavor cops.

Things are not black and white, be more critical in your thinking. The way you were stubborn and insisting about such positions made you look like you were bad scum who was just sticking to pushing awfully easy stuff. It took the BBT kill to snap me out of my scumread on you, else you would be most likely who I'd want lynched on either D3 or lylo.

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that said, I *am* probably taking a break after my games are over because I see way too many people who play too weakly for my taste nowadays. Maybe it's just me after all, so a break is in order

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we shoulda killed Wisdom n1 too, in hindsight

your kills were all on PRs, good job