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Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:15 pm

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VOTE: Infinite Justice
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Post Post #93 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:41 am

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hi
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Post Post #95 (isolation #2) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:43 am

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In post 91, Infinite Justice wrote:I'm not sure whether to give BnL townpoints for sticking to his guns or scumpoints for calling out such a small number of essentially fluff posts.
Depends on a few things; is there a world where he believes that his push is valid in your opinion?

Also why does the number of posts he called out lend itself more scummy and do you believe all fluff is unreadable?
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Post Post #97 (isolation #3) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:22 am

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Why's it unlikely?

When's content expected?
If you think someone should be calling out dunnstral and zachstralk why are you not calling them out?

Why does one need to be town to agree with you on what content is readable vs not? Personally I read by every word I possibly can, if you disagree that's theory, and I think that's where your push on bullet stems from.
Like, would you have found it more forgivable if he had called out a
larger
number of fluff posts, or didn't take issue with someone roleplaying awkwardly at all?
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Post Post #101 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:36 am

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In post 99, BNL wrote:Yes I understand that most people won't find SAJ scummy for his early role playing, but I do.

culted do you have an opinion of your own on anything? Or are you just going to ask questions?
fwiw I get why you're scumreading saj, I'm just not really.

Anything in particular you'd like my thoughts on?
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Post Post #190 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:17 am

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In post 181, Gamma Emerald wrote:IJ is probably town, this feels like genuine frustration.
Do you feel like the frustration meshes well when you account for IJ having dreal as a very strong townread?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:43 am

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Okay let me rephrase the question, gamma.

Does this:
In post 178, Infinite Justice wrote:I'm fine with you having issues with my play, I'm not ok when you accuse me of shit like twisting your points, contradicting myself, or stalling the game which I never fucking did. And you're being hypocritical as fuck when you saying that I'm defending myself and not scumhunting while you're attacking me and doing nothing else.

-Inff
Add up with infinity's townread on dreal?
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Post Post #194 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:01 am

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Why don't you think so?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:24 am

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In post 227, Aristophanes wrote:For real?

You've been at L-1 already,but you don't think the placement of your vote is important?

This shit can't be right.
I'm kinda fuzzy on the point you're making here.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:25 am

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@Bullet
In post 101, culted wrote:
In post 99, BNL wrote:Yes I understand that most people won't find SAJ scummy for his early role playing, but I do.

culted do you have an opinion of your own on anything? Or are you just going to ask questions?
fwiw I get why you're scumreading saj, I'm just not really.

Anything in particular you'd like my thoughts on?
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Post Post #260 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:27 am

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In post 234, Aristophanes wrote:That vote placement is important. That we are out of RVS. That anyone with a vote in a spot just for the hell of it could end up in a lynch they don't support. That they should probably actually do something since they are a viable lynch.

I'm sure there are other things, but basically their lack of care for their vote is very concerning and not something I appreciate.
I tend to agree.

Could it also not be just as likely that they didn't have scumreads at the time?
And considering that, would it be more or less scummy if they tried to "do something about being a viable lynch" while not having scumreads? The only thing I can think of that you could mean here (within the context of them not caring about their vote) would be to push a counterwagon is essentially what I'm saying.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:00 am

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VOTE: BulletNLynchproof
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Post Post #389 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:48 am

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Don't bother.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:51 am

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S'all good scout.

I've been slacking this game definitely due for a reread probably gonna do that tonight maybe if I don't get lazy.
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Post Post #395 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:39 pm

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After skimming everyone's isos I'm about here.
You all get to ask about 1 read each, make it count.
Town and meh aren't in any particular order.

town;
drealmerz7
Aristophanes
Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral

meh;
Zachstralkita
Infinite Justice

scum;
BulletNLynchproof
Secret Agent Jin

VOTE: Secret Agent Jin
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Post Post #397 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:42 pm

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I think that's the team so I could do either.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #16) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:12 am

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In post 400, Zachstralkita wrote:yea no one really owes you anything. Why are you placing yourself on this pedestal and limiting how much information people can get from you?
I was just being facetious of course you guys can ask me about whatever.

I just always get bombarded when I post lists like that and some reads are hard to explain ya know?
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Post Post #465 (isolation #17) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:17 am

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In post 402, Infinite Justice wrote:Like, not giving views as town is a strategy. (That's why I kept my vote on BnL so long). That seemed to be the strategy culted was using up until now, then he gives away his whole readslist and leaves which reads he explains up to the whims of the town (and scum btw). Doesn't seem like much of a strategy to me.
Quick correction here.
The reads I explain are up to the whims of I.

Only exception would be like, you could push me for not explaining a read I guess. But if I refuse to then it's not because I'm scum or I can't it's because I don't really feel the need to.

Does that make more sense?
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Post Post #466 (isolation #18) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:18 am

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Which kinda falls back into bullet and IJ giving me a little too much benefit of the doubt based on their playstyles and what they've found pushable so far.

Makes not a lot of sense I'll explain it better once I'm caught up.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #19) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:20 am

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In post 408, Infinite Justice wrote:Because you don't like my early-game strategy and can't argue with it, it must be scumtactics. You have to realize how confbiased you are, dude.

-Inf
This post made me vom.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #20) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:23 am

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In post 399, Infinite Justice wrote:Why BnL culted?

-Inf
Take a look at his iso and tell me if anything sticks out.

If we can't get the traction I'll try and convey what I'm seeing better but the last thing we need this close to deadline is a one sided conversation.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #21) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 469, Infinite Justice wrote:Ok, but giving the readslist by itself is an issue in that context imo.
Not really when you consider scum can't sheep naked reads.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #22) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:25 am

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Well they I suppose if they're good or it's obvious but still.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:25 am

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they can*
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Post Post #475 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:27 am

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In post 412, Infinite Justice wrote:
In post 411, Secret Agent Jin wrote:@Everyone: culted said that BnL and myself are the scum team, what links the two of us and if one flips scum, what makes the other obvscum from looking at the flip?
Why would anyone except culted agree with him that you two are linked? Culted didn't even say that himself, he just said that he has scumreads on both of you.

Tbh I'm fine with the current vote count since there are 3 votes on gamma, but there are only 4 days left so I suggest getting a claim p soon

A great way to do this would be by voting gamma

;) ;)
Didn't mind this post, it's an okay observation.

Gamma is probably town, though.
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Post Post #476 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:29 am

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In post 415, Gamma Emerald wrote:Explain Dunnstral.
You think he's scum because he thinks you're scum. I think.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:31 am

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In post 421, BNL wrote:I take back my point on 305, I think that's town.

Also I thought Aristophanes was scummy, why is everyone townreading him?
This is probably a scumpost.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:32 am

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In post 423, BNL wrote:So you are saying that culted's strategy could've been a town strategy but the way he followed up with it seemed to be scummy?
"That thing you just said is that thing you just said?"

More scumposting.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:34 am

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In post 426, BNL wrote:Ok now I see why Gamma was wagoned, was opportunistic.

Not sure if I would be voting him, I want to read Ari a bit more. Calming down on Drealmer though.
Way too focused on consistency for my taste.

Scout can we get a vc man?
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Post Post #482 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:34 am

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In post 436, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 429, BNL wrote:
In post 227, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 171, Infinite Justice wrote:I don't see why you put so much important on where my vote is. To be honest, my vote could be on BnL, on you, my top townread, or on no one, and it wouldn't make too much of a difference to me. So I kept my vote because the best purpose for it right now is to let titus to whatever she was gonna do with it. Titus did then tell me by pm that I could move my vote, but I don't see a reason to because I don't have a place for it. It seems to me that you put a lot of importance on where people's votes are at any given time, but I don't in the early game and that's basically what this is.

I also don't see where I contradicted myself

-Inf
For real?

You've been at L-1 already,but you don't think the placement of your vote is important?

This shit can't be right.
In post 276, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 272, Zachstralkita wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
In post 248, Zachstralkita wrote:Nice fakehammer btw
Thanks! It was some of my finest work! :)
Did you know it was a fakehammer when you claimed, or was that only noticed when you scrolled up?
I didn't realize I had been "lynched" when I posted initially
In that case, you get a townread for the reaction.

[unvte][/unvote]
In post 347, Aristophanes wrote:Someone sell me on a wagon please
These posts are scum.
VOTE: Aristophanes

Why is no one voting here?
Because he's an easy vote for scum to make
Bingo.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:37 am

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In post 455, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 452, Infinite Justice wrote:BnL is acting pretty town and doesn't have much support

-Inf
The phrasing here pings me.
Feel it too.

I'm leaning bad town atm, though?

It's also within the realm of possibility that dreal nailed the scumteam page 3.

You still feeling weird on jin?
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Post Post #487 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 464, Secret Agent Jin wrote:IJ just seems to get more scummy the more they post, im slowly swinging there way.

As for Zach, i just finished a game that was Town!Zach, he played the same way there. He is offensive and attacks whoever votes him like they should know he is town. He postes some mean things and was active in the game i played with him. He does seem more subdued here and more lurkery but his posts here still contain salt lkke in the other game. I really want to scumread Zach for his overall playstyle but it has stayed consistent with his previous town game so i give a townlean to Zach.
Not a terrible post.

I think we're worried about meta a bit too much on someone who doesn't have to my eye that difficult of a playstyle to emulate across different alignments, though.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 488, Infinite Justice wrote:What do you think I should be doing differently

-Inf
You should stop trying to lynch town and stop defending obvscum bullet for starters.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:43 am

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In post 484, Infinite Justice wrote:Ari may be a scummy vote in a different context, like if ari already had any votes, but I don't see why scum would want to try to start a new wagon this close to deadline unless their scumpartner was in danger (i.e. gamma).

-Inf
You're giving that vote way too much credit. No way anyone in their right mind is gonna sheep that.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:44 am

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VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

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Post Post #493 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:47 am

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In post 491, Infinite Justice wrote:PEdit: so what's the point of the vote...?
Make more lynches viable for later on?
Try and look town by bringing something original to the table?

Failed though because it's nitpicking and straight up arbitrary.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #36) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:52 am

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Luckily your vote isn't needed to lynch scum today.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #37) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:52 am

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Though, with the holiday I am worried that some may not show.
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Post Post #500 (isolation #38) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:55 am

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I have oodles of passion.

Could compromise on IJ as well guys.

Jin I'm more mehscum now.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #39) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:57 am

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I'm not sure if it's a white knight or they're buddies but there's scum in bullet/justice almost guaranteed. Jin's the third if one's wrong. Easy games are easy sometimes.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #40) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:58 am

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Dunn's more of a gut read that would take 10,000 words to explain and I'd rather sell you on a scumlynch.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #41) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:01 am

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In post 504, Infinite Justice wrote:culted, do you actually think you have passion that's showing through in your posts this game?

-Inf
This isn't a question I can answer.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #42) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:03 am

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He's just a bit awkward ROA?
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Post Post #511 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:06 am

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In post 508, Infinite Justice wrote:Can't or want to keep it hidden?

-Inf
I can't know if other people can feel the PASSION now can I?
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Post Post #514 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:08 am

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In post 212, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 197, Infinite Justice wrote:I'd like people to give their opinions on the back-and-forth between me and dreamer

-Inf
Having painfully read through the back and forth between you two i think you are town based on the fact that through all of that arguing you still townread Dreal when, as scum, you could have easily made a case of his posts and turned it into a wagon. I dont know if i see eye to eye with you on the town!dreal read though. He is either scum or a townie that is sure he has scum in his sights.
BTW this is why jin's still a pretty good lynch.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #45) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 512, Gamma Emerald wrote:ROA means?
regardless of alignment
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Post Post #517 (isolation #46) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:10 am

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In post 516, Infinite Justice wrote:Your scumhunting is very simplistic culted

-Inf
I need to meld to the game's I'm in, infinity.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #47) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:11 am

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Like I'm not gonna wear fresh kicks to the playground man.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #48) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:17 am

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I mean you want a smoking gun on bullet when your reason for townreading him is "he's scumhunting"

How fucking hard do you think it is to pretend to solve a game?
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Post Post #522 (isolation #49) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:18 am

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And when I call out most of his efforts to be fakesounding you just don't wanna hear it and keep tunneling on gamma because meta. That's never gonna go through you realize.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #50) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:22 am

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In post 431, BNL wrote:Four days is enough to swing a wagon onto someone, if everyone is posting then they can switch their vote. I get that last minute wagons aren't good but it isn't last minute.

I also dislike compromising, and I don't like that you're persuading me to, that feels scummy to me. If you're town reading Ari, you should be saying why to dissuade me from voting there. And please do so.
You can't really dislike compromising can you?

And this seems like an excuse to park if anything because his case on Ari was bad. He quoted 3 town posts and said "this is scum".

That's not convincing anyone.

But he's gonna stay on a vanity although he's got no problem voting gamma.

Makes no sense this post is just scum filler.
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Post Post #525 (isolation #51) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:24 am

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So you wouldn't vote him to get a lynch? Yet you're the one blabbing on about getting an L1 and claim soon.

And you're doing nothing to convince me on gamma.

I'm confident.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #52) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:29 am

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Then put him at L1. Stop lollygagging the game.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #53) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:33 am

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Infinity, you're okay. :3
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Post Post #533 (isolation #54) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:05 pm

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Jin remind what your read on BnL is?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #55) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:07 pm

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In post 532, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I have recently been reading IJ as scummy because of the insistence on people voting Gamma but not actually pointing out sufficient evidence for me to hop on. I want an IJ lynch but i am open to other lynches.
Also there's currently no votes on IJ what universe are you living in right now?
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Post Post #537 (isolation #56) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:18 pm

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Nobody else claim anything obviously. The above is a scumclaim.
Hammer it.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #57) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:20 pm

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Sorry wasn't born yesterday.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #58) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:21 pm

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How is a dayvig weak by any stretch of the imagination?

Doesn't matter when someone dies they still die.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #59) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:23 pm

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You're not even talking about who to shoot?

What's your scumpool atm?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #60) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:26 pm

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Now I'm REALLY not unvoting you. : p

pedit: You buy his claim zach?
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Post Post #549 (isolation #61) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:34 pm

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He tried to fish out claims.

And it wasn't that easy. Who's scum on the wagon?
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Post Post #553 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:40 pm

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So what did the mod put a delayed dayvig in the game for? All that does if bnl lives till day 3 is make the game end instantly if his target is wrong.

Just seems like a shitty role that probably doesn't exist.
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Post Post #555 (isolation #63) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:44 pm

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Yea I "get" it. But why make a setup shitty just to fit flavor?
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Post Post #557 (isolation #64) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:45 pm

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What?
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Post Post #558 (isolation #65) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:47 pm

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There's more ways to make roles fit into the theme of procrastination. The delayed modifier for example makes sense, you being a delayed to a day where it could be lylo feels wrong based on a choice you have to make day 1.

If you use it day 2 is it delayed until day 4?
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Post Post #561 (isolation #66) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:48 pm

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Oh so you've already made your shot then?
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Post Post #565 (isolation #67) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:53 pm

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Does anyone know if scout provides fakeclaims?
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Post Post #583 (isolation #68) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:22 pm

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Meh.

VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #585 (isolation #69) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:24 pm

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You woke me up with that last post.

Plus him asking if you can shoot in private doesn't really come from a town mindset looks more like he's fishing you and going with the flow here.

Plus I get what you were getting at with the setup spec stuff now. I just think you're not thinking about zach from all different angles.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #70) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:28 pm

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Right that's what I mean it's a question that doesn't make sense to ask especially if you already put 2 and 2 together there.

What's your opinion on any of this?
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Post Post #591 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:33 pm

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Gamma's reads don't make any sense at all.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:42 pm

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In post 237, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Zachstralkita
L-1
Agreeing with Dunn here, this does not feel like your towngame currently.
Bullet, come with me if you want to live mate.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #73) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:42 pm

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Oh cool ghost quote.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #74) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:45 pm

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In post 589, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think BNL is town. I think Zach and Ari are town. I still pretty much think dreal and IJ are town. That leaves SAJ, Dunnstral, and you.
Like you haven't really ever given an opinion on me but I'm in your scumpool here.

You're scumreading jin for jumping off an rvs wagon, while awkward, doesn't make sense when you justify it with "dodging responsibility for a mislynch" and you've just held onto that read forever for no reason.

The most I've seen you push dunn was ask me about my read there and you stopped pressing it even though I never really gave you a real answer.

You're just shitposting while we're trying to decide on a lynch. BnL is your top town read and you're not doing anything to stop it from going through.

Scum.

Jin's the buddy.
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Post Post #600 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:55 pm

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He did, though.

Not paying attention to who your scumreads are voting huh?
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Post Post #602 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:57 pm

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How does dunn voting bnl make your read on ij sink?
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Post Post #604 (isolation #77) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:03 pm

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That still doesn't make any sense.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #78) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:06 pm

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Dunn are you scum?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #79) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:19 pm

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In post 396, Dunnstral wrote:I'd rather lynch BNL than SAJ
Okay so just iso'd dunn.

Narrative slip. He's been voting saj all game right. Never once has mentioned bnl before this post.
Develops opportunistic scumread on him based on like one post. Which, to be fair, bnl's case on ari was bad. But it could come from bad town as well.

VOTE: Dunn
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Post Post #623 (isolation #80) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:20 pm

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In post 619, Dunnstral wrote:So yea don't say who you're shooting
No duh.
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Post Post #626 (isolation #81) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:24 pm

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It's not just that it's a slip in narrative. It's that you tried to fit that read in later on after you realized that a wagon could form there.
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Post Post #627 (isolation #82) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:25 pm

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In post 625, Dunnstral wrote:Don't think I've been "voting saj all game" either

Maybe even move him into "i don't know" territory
Walk me through the progression there, because you voted him more than once and there's not a reason in here.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #83) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:26 pm

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Kinda don't like how bullet just up and vanished either. :/
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Post Post #630 (isolation #84) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:28 pm

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How's he an IC what?
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Post Post #635 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:32 pm

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No he isn't?
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Post Post #637 (isolation #86) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:34 pm

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VOTE: Gamma
Right o' mister IC.

pedit; That's a pretty activity-based theory and we all know that activity doesn't equal alignment, at least for everyone.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #87) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:37 pm

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I was making a fucking joke.

God.
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Post Post #644 (isolation #88) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:52 pm

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Gamma is clearly more scummy than IJ, though???

Like why are you even scumreading them???
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Post Post #645 (isolation #89) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:53 pm

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If it's dunn/gamma then lol.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:23 pm

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In post 646, Dunnstral wrote:Gamma is always awkward.
Yea, but why did he have nothing to say about me pushing bnl's claim as a fakeclaim if he took it that he was confirmed town?

Why isn't he paranoid about the claim at all?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #91) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:35 pm

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I'm here.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #92) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:56 pm

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In post 649, Gamma Emerald wrote:I didn't really notice the push. I want to say it's scummy but the fact you point it out to me makes me second-guess.
That's because it didn't last very long.

That's the difference between a natural progression and just auto-believing something.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #93) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:00 pm

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In post 650, Infinite Justice wrote:If culted could explain the phenomenon well, he'd get townpoints
What phenomenon?

You're trying very hard to read into PASSION. If you can't feel it, you can't. There's nothing I can do about that.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #94) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:02 pm

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In post 653, Gamma Emerald wrote:I am a JOAT. My flavor is "help-I-hate-work-but-I-took-it-anyway".
Claims JOAT.

Makes sure to claim flavor but not abilities. After bullet got on about flavor.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #95) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:02 pm

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In post 655, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 648, culted wrote:
In post 646, Dunnstral wrote:Gamma is always awkward.
Yea, but why did he have nothing to say about me pushing bnl's claim as a fakeclaim if he took it that he was confirmed town?

Why isn't he paranoid about the claim at all?
Why don't you ask him

Gamma is always awkward
Good idea.

@Gamma
- Why's bullet's claim make him lock-town?
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Post Post #764 (isolation #96) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:04 pm

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In post 665, Infinite Justice wrote:Dunn is reaction testing or something. Gamma should claim full powers so we know whether to believe him, but it's already looking like quite a bit of power.

-Inf
In post 666, Infinite Justice wrote:Actually if dunn isn't daycop then there isn't an issue of power. But I still don't really believe gamma's claim

-Inf
These read kinda wonky back-to-back.

Just me?
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Post Post #767 (isolation #97) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:41 pm

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In post 708, Gamma Emerald wrote:I've claimed all I intend to. Zach's comments are not ones town would make. He knows he's on the wagon and bitches about how it's not deflating.
VOTE: Zachstralkita
Not a bad point.
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Post Post #768 (isolation #98) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:48 pm

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Well quick correction the point is wrong, but his post about liking how your claim didn't get votes off of you seemed scummy.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #99) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:04 pm

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Matter of fact the whole back and forth with gamma is strange.

I can understand gamma's side of it, like if you're down to lynch someone when they haven't fully claimed you assume that someone wants to lynch you but town wouldn't want to without a full claim. I get that. Zach feels like he's sorta twisting gamma's arm a bit with the "quote where I fished for role information" when it's true that he didn't. But it's scummy that zach would still want the lynch to go through without a full claim.

Other notable things in zach's iso after glossing over it is that I don't get a vibe that he's genuinely approaching the game and trying to solve it. I see a scumread on dreal early on. He sorta drops that though and moves on to gamma and some BnL on the side and now he's sorta FoSing dunnstral.

That's a lot of scumreads to have that I don't get an impression he moved on from. Feels less like sorting the game and just looking for things to lynch if that makes sense.

This can come from apathetic town as well, but this is a relatively slow micro game where your progression should be more fluid.

I've been a bit all over the place this game, might be a sign that I should just buck up and sheep dunn.

VOTE: Zach
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Post Post #770 (isolation #100) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:13 pm

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In post 752, Zachstralkita wrote:culted baby save me, i'll buy you cool ranch doritos

or funyuns if you think cool ranch doritos taste like penguins
Should of offered me donuts.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #101) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:47 pm

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Infinite justice wagon is bad.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #102) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:54 pm

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Can we wagon saj or ari?
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Post Post #913 (isolation #103) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:55 pm

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VOTE: Secret Agent Jin
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Post Post #916 (isolation #104) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:01 am

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Infinity I get why you're pinged out by gamma. Really do.

But iso ari.

And look at jin's vote on you there.

Then let's talk.

pedit; anythings possible adn that claim wasn't necessary
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Post Post #925 (isolation #105) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:13 am

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You haven't full claimed yet?!
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Post Post #928 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:18 am

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And you're down to go to the grave without saying them?
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Post Post #929 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:19 am

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This game is making me realize how bad I actually am.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:20 am

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We've got 4 people online.

Jin's IJ vote was scumclaimy as shit.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:23 am

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I think gamma is town guys. :/
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Post Post #934 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:26 am

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Why the fuck does scum, while at L-1 with like no time left give a fuck about what scum no?

He's town.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:26 am

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know*
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Post Post #938 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:35 am

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Reads make no sense and are
always
opportunistic.
In post 464, Secret Agent Jin wrote:IJ just seems to get more scummy the more they post, im slowly swinging there way.

As for Zach, i just finished a game that was Town!Zach, he played the same way there. He is offensive and attacks whoever votes him like they should know he is town. He postes some mean things and was active in the game i played with him. He does seem more subdued here and more lurkery but his posts here still contain salt lkke in the other game. I really want to scumread Zach for his overall playstyle but it has stayed consistent with his previous town game so i give a townlean to Zach.
Okay scummier and scummier the more they post feels like some strong conviction here.
In post 532, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I have recently been reading IJ as scummy because of the insistence on people voting Gamma but not actually pointing out sufficient evidence for me to hop on. I want an IJ lynch but i am open to other lynches.

Culted, how confident are you of scum!BnL? Are you willing to choose someone else if there was time or are you sure of your vote?
Here he's taking sides with gamma v infinity. Which is probably tvt, to justify a scumread.

Also, recently is a weird word to use since he's had a scumread there since before.

Opens himself up to the idea of Bnl with no prior mention of a read there.
In post 737, Secret Agent Jin wrote:VOTE: Zach

I tried to vouch for his meta but he really isnt putting much into the game from what i see. This is where my vote rests unless someone convinces me otherwise.
In post 740, Secret Agent Jin wrote:If Zach isnt scum then i dont know where to look. If he flips town then i will bend to the rest of you tomorrow.
This is opportunistic. Feels really strongly convicted. Also, did he forget he was scumreading IJ?
In post 747, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 744, Zachstralkita wrote:
Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 741, Zachstralkita wrote:I was literally in your townreads 2 posts ago
Town reads change as do feeling towards people. My townread was based on your meta but even in the poat i made vouching for you i said you were playing different this game. I am convinced that you playing different is AI.

I don't know what exactly you've done this game.
I admit that i was lost and had to reread the thread but i am caught up with a fresh look on the game and i see that my post defending you didnt make sense to me when i reread it. I said that you played relatively the same this game as the previous one i played with you but actually you are more lurky this game until someone points a finger at you and then you spring into action. In the previous game you actively scum hunted and you asked questions and engaged people instead of hanging back and reactively posting like in this game.
Not how you talk to a scumread.
In post 757, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 749, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 747, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 744, Zachstralkita wrote:
Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 741, Zachstralkita wrote:I was literally in your townreads 2 posts ago
Town reads change as do feeling towards people. My townread was based on your meta but even in the poat i made vouching for you i said you were playing different this game. I am convinced that you playing different is AI.

I don't know what exactly you've done this game.
I admit that i was lost and had to reread the thread but i am caught up with a fresh look on the game and i see that my post defending you didnt make sense to me when i reread it. I said that you played relatively the same this game as the previous one i played with you but actually you are more lurky this game until someone points a finger at you and then you spring into action. In the previous game you actively scum hunted and you asked questions and engaged people instead of hanging back and reactively posting like in this game.

So why was I your scumread that entire game? Is it because of your amazing judgement?
You know why you were my scumread, you chose to say things that were aggressive and unneeded, there was a fair bit of dissonance (even though you and scout owned it), and you lied about your role (hider i believe). The only thing that matters and pertains to this game is that you were town in the previous game and you are playing different in this one, so differently that i find you scummy.
This is better than the previous post but not by much.
In post 908, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Try hard much IJ? I have wanted you lynched for your scummy posts for awhile now.

VOTE: IJ
This is just bad. Like where was this all the while IJ was getting run up?
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Post Post #940 (isolation #113) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:40 am

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As for Ari there's just about no scumhunting in the iso.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #114) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:43 am

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In post 411, Secret Agent Jin wrote:@Everyone: culted said that BnL and myself are the scum team, what links the two of us and if one flips scum, what makes the other obvscum from looking at the flip?
This also might be a scumslip?
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Post Post #943 (isolation #115) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:43 am

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In post 941, Infinite Justice wrote:ehh this deadline lynch is definitely gonna end up on town but idk what else to do
NO FAITH HUH
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Post Post #954 (isolation #116) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 am

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Definitely shouldn't.

Jin seems like a really cool guy.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #117) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 am

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In post 953, Infinite Justice wrote:Gamma use your
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-Inf
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Post Post #956 (isolation #118) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 am

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Right when I was lock town on you

you fucking make the shaddiest post
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Post Post #961 (isolation #119) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:53 am

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Gamma's role could be town or scum but w/e.

We've basically massclaimed at this point.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #120) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:00 am

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Nah.

VOTE: Aristophanes
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Post Post #968 (isolation #121) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:00 am

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Vote ari before you go.
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Post Post #976 (isolation #122) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:07 am

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You only want to lynch gamma because you think his role was meant to use all his shots and I don't think that's the point really.

Like it just forces him to be situational.

pedit: I'm just not buying that gamma would hold out on fullclaiming as scum like there's still things he's not telling us and he was almost about to die pretty much.
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Post Post #977 (isolation #123) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:08 am

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Makes more sense from a town mindset ya know?
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Post Post #980 (isolation #124) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:09 am

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Yea.

pedit: lol same here
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Post Post #985 (isolation #125) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:14 am

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In post 981, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why culted?
I can see town or scum making that post. If they're scum it's maybe buy some towncred. The opportunity to fake hammer was there seems like a why not kinda thing regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #126) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:18 am

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Gamma chill on pressing BnL for his pool he's pretty much lock-town.

My main hangup on ari is the back end of the iso there's no gamesolving which SUCKS when we're this close to deadline.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #127) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:20 am

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Problem
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Post Post #998 (isolation #128) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:21 am

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:roll:
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #129) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:23 am

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Lack of gamesolving = scum.
Zach's town.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #130) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:24 am

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Townblock I'd bet teh game on Me, Infinite, Gamma, BnL, Zach and like maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe dunn.

Jin's recent appearance made me waver some.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #131) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:28 am

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Dammit gamma the man's gotta point.

Why can't you just voet scum without looking like a scummaster
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #132) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:30 am

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I mean I get what you're getting at but you always show up with like one post, call it scummy and drop a mad opportunistic vote.

Like I understand that you're town but also understand why bnl finds that shit scummy ya know
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #133) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:02 am

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Zach why do you think I'm scum and why do you think ari's town
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Post Post #1114 (isolation #134) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:33 pm

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Post Post #1124 (isolation #135) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:53 pm

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@scout
v/la until tuesday may be able to post may not be able to we'll see what happens.

When I saw that the flips were delayed I thought ari was gonna flip scum and just tried to look town to throw off bullet's day-vig target.
Now I'm not so sure what to think. Could be he fakeclaimed that thinking he could pass a delayed scumkill off as a dayvig or something weird.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #136) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:58 pm

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BnL.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #137) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:23 pm

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Should have stuck to my guns on saj...

I'm the sucksorz.
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #138) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:30 pm

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So does the fact that nobody got a result pm straight away mean that this is a scum gambit between dreal and saj?

Because like infinity said saj trading as scum makes no sense. Unless it's a world where he's scum with dreal trying to pass him towncred on this.
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #139) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:22 pm

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Should I claim or nah?
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #140) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:23 pm

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In post 1200, drealmerz7 wrote:I've asked the mod if my ability is blockable

maybe I kick everyone into gear BEFORE everything else and block resolves after?
I mean it's a toss up because it's global.

I don't really know.
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:28 pm

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In post 1219, Infinite Justice wrote:Sorry dude

-Inf
Why doesn't this feel like an infinity post?
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #142) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:36 pm

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In post 1254, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1251, Dunnstral wrote:How's your bulletproof thing work? Why'd you say doc?
It gives someone a vest.
This probably doesn't work with doc.
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #143) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:37 pm

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In post 1259, Infinite Justice wrote:
In post 1257, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I have no idea why Gamma would claim a guilty on me as scum.
Can you try and think? Otherwise there's no way you can be town

-Inf
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #144) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:38 pm

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In post 1262, Infinite Justice wrote:Why did you vote gamma if you haven't made up your mind yet?

-Inf
This is a good point, though.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #145) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:41 pm

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In post 1283, Dunnstral wrote:Let's take a look at culted.
In post 1284, Dunnstral wrote:Alright he's not scummy at all and I'm more inclined to believe one of the already claimed people are scum actually
This mofo clicked my iso and concluded I was town in less than 30 seconds.
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #146) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:45 pm

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In post 1318, Gamma Emerald wrote:I need to actually read the game and get up to date reads before I pick a target.
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #147) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:47 pm

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In post 1329, BNL wrote:
In post 1245, Gamma Emerald wrote:My restriction is that I can't use all my powers: once I use 2 I become a VT essentially.
Who suggested that the Joat wasn't supposed to use all abilities again?
That was me.

Might be him altering a claim tbh.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #148) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:50 pm

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In post 1343, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Ooh saucy between the last two posts. Anyways, it seems we hit a brick wall in figuring out who we are going to lynch. I personally think there ia a scumteam in Gamma/IJ. Just follow my thought orocess for a moment. IJ says they are this watcher PR and that they targeted Gamma. Gamma says he is a JOAT and investigated me. That's a perfect excuse for a scum team. IJ confirms Gamma so we dont question him that much and Gamma gives you a "semi-utility" on me so when i flip town he can just tell everyone that i wasnt confirmed scum, just a suspicious player. Then IJ targets Gamma again this following night and confirms that he used another power. That puts them into the golden zone where no one suspects either one, heck, even IJ us widely townread.

In my eyes if Gamma flips scum then IJ can talk their way out of them two being a scum team but if IJ flips scum, Gamma is tightly nailed into the scum coffin.
Town ^
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #149) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:51 pm

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In post 1347, inspectorscout wrote:
culted received a soft prod, in case anyone is wondering.
I was on v/la too.
Punks.

pedit - Not in a micro.
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #150) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:02 pm

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In post 1396, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1394, culted wrote:This mofo clicked my iso and concluded I was town in less than 30 seconds.
Yea
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #151) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 1405, Zachstralkita wrote:gammas play doesnt seem scum tho..
I agree.

Why do you think saj is scum? His theories are out there but not scum out there.
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #152) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:04 pm

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VOTE: Dunnstral
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #153) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:06 pm

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He's flailing already guys
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #154) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:23 pm

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In post 1413, Dunnstral wrote:Be honest, you're only voting me due to poe from the claimed roles
I've vaguely paid attention to roles tbh.

Like gamma doesn't
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overlap that much with zach now that I'm thinking about it because gamma's a joat or whatever and zach's full doc.
Dayvig makes no sense as scum and we'll know if bnl's lying tomorrow but I think he's town anyway.
Global motivator doesn't feel like a scum role but meh dreal's felt okay going by play.
Everything else out there is meh from what I remember.

Why do you think IJ is scum?
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #155) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:25 pm

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In post 1414, Zachstralkita wrote:I just dont think the whole " act like I dont know whats going on " reaction is town but I guess it worked since no ones really gonna lynch him


I highkey shouldnt have claimed thats my fault
You mean his claim at daystart or what reaction are you talking about?
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Post Post #1424 (isolation #156) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:40 pm

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Hmm
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #157) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:40 pm

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Maybe you got a point zach. And thinking about it his thing about the gamma/IJ team watching and rolecopping eachother doesn't make sense reading it again because they wouldn't actually
need
to use those actions on each other.

And there's probably scum within the rb/joat/doc realistically or scum have a fuck of a time getting a kill off.
I'm not a setup-speccer (if that's the word) but you all probably noticed that.

Zach what's your read on dunn?
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Post Post #1427 (isolation #158) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:44 pm

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He is solving it's just fake.
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #159) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:53 am

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@mod
I'm voting Dunnstral. And Dunnstral is voting gamma.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #160) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:56 am

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In post 1450, BNL wrote:So I was planning we lynch Dunn, have Gamma protect me while I shoot SAJ, lynch Gamma if SAJ flips town, and if anything goes wrong we lynch you. Does that not sound like a good plan?
About where I'm at.

People should iso dunn and quote me a post that isn't commentary or shade throwing.
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #161) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:19 am

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LOL
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #162) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:19 am

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If you were gonna do this you should of done it sooner scumfuck.
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #163) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:29 am

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Is that the best you can do?

I came out aggressive : 3
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #164) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:27 am

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Gamma vote dunn please.
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #165) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:56 am

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you're gonna need to spell it out for me
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #166) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:14 pm

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And him admitting that it was a mistake means you think he's more likely town?
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #167) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:24 pm

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That's fair.

It's saj/dunn.
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #168) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:04 pm

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dreal can you suck less please?
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #169) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:08 pm

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In post 1491, Dunnstral wrote:Culted - explain why it's me again?
You really want me to iso-dive you?
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Post Post #1494 (isolation #170) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:13 pm

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Dunn if you're town then dreal comes into question for me, to answer your question earlier.
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #171) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:20 pm

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I think that dreal's bad town just to be clear.

I also can't know that you saved him and neither can you really.

But assuming scum no-killed is dumb.

And unless the scumkill is delayed or something weird then it all comes together nicely.
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #172) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:31 pm

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I'd buy dunn as the N1 kill over dreal tbh.

Fuck.
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #173) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:32 pm

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I quit yo.

I'm fucking done.

You guys figure this shit out.
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Post Post #1641 (isolation #174) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:35 am

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I'm here!

Holy buns that dunn lynch derp should've unvoted before I went v/la.

Give me like an hour then I can read and solve this.
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Post Post #1642 (isolation #175) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:28 pm

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In post 1252, Dunnstral wrote:To me it looks like you changed your claim after zach claimed doc
Yea and not only that the thing about only being able to use 2 JoaT abilities doesn't look good either after everyone calling his role OP for a town role.

Why does the setup have a doc + a bulletproof maker...... and a roleblocker?
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #176) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:32 pm

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I hate guessing the setup but if there's a dayvig then making someone bulletproof makes more sense as a scumrole than a doctor.

I could see zach as scum in the scenario where saj/dreal is town on town just getting mixed up in a bad dichotomy because of a weird night and he found an opportunity to claim something that incriminated one and not the other. But this is only if scum no-killed purposefully since I don't think a zach/dreal team set themselves up to lose off PoE if we don't lynch saj.

Gonna keep reading.
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Post Post #1644 (isolation #177) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:36 pm

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Saj looks really town now that I'm reading for detail.
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #178) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:43 pm

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If gamma would post something vaguely town this game would be easy. All I can do is read him off role.

I guess IJ has a point that gamma doesn't really need to claim a guilty on jin there so meh? Maybe it is zach and dreal and they've just got balls of steel?

Though gamma might have just footsied around knowing that flavor-name doesn't = role so meh maybe.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #179) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:45 pm

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In post 1295, drealmerz7 wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald

zach also doesn't seem quite right
Vote town fos scum?

Nah.
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #180) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:46 pm

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Question though dreal if you think zach's scum then what happened to the scumkill?
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Post Post #1648 (isolation #181) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:55 pm

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In post 1324, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait. So you think it's me/SAJ, yet you reveal your role before I claim my result, thinking I softed on you? Town would wait to catch scum lying.
VOTE: Zachstralkita
Did gamma just call himself scum here?

Could this be a buss?
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #182) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:59 pm

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What's giving me the biggest headache is that no matter who's scum here somebody with a town role pm didn't claim fully.

Jin's non-consecutive makes sense.
Zach claiming vt and then doc later on makes less sense and I can see the scum motive.
Gamma's looks the most like revision from adhere to the shouts of the mob.
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Post Post #1650 (isolation #183) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:31 pm

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In post 1603, Zachstralkita wrote:dreals role benefits town roles..
How?
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Post Post #1651 (isolation #184) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:35 pm

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In post 1615, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Having blocked Gamma, i can say that i know he at least didnt submit the kill last night, his partner probably did due to there still being a kill. I maybe should have blocked you, Zach, and seen if we have a kill-free night.
Why block gamma?
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #185) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:19 pm

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Okay.

In a world where scum no-killed N1 zach is always scum and the buddy might be dreal.
In a world where zach is a doc and saved dreal N1 then saj is confirmed scum.

We can rule out strongman because there isn't anyone's action not accounted for N1. (correct me if I'm wrong on any of this)

dreal motivated. (confirmed)
Saj blocked. (but for saj to be scum he had to have blocked zach last night anyway + rb and strongman on the same team is redundant)
Zach saved. (we can also discount him regardless since the strongman spec is pointless when we assume he's scum anyway)
Gamma rolecoped. (I think this was confirmed)
IJ Tracked. (I think this was also confirmed)
I'm not a power role.

Now I know which of these worlds seems the most tempting. The second one because it's easy.

Why I'm pausing a bit is because I've seen town process from jin (bad town process but stuff that makes sense when I take a hike in his shoes) and zach has unvoted someone who's confirmed scum to him from his POV just this day and hasn't impressed me much by play either.

Saj can't be scum with zach. (at least I hope not...)
Don't think he's scum with dreal.
IJ is town.

He kinda makes sense as scum with gamma. It also makes sense for gamma to not confirm saj's block as partners because that confscums them both.

Zach can't be scum with saj.
He makes sense as scum with a lot of people. Namely the dreal tinfoil that isn't ever gonna get out of my head at this point.
But gamma's vote on him like mid-day 2 was all kinds of weird and then backtracking on it for iffy reasons could be a buddy progression but overall just kinda seems out there and not what town should of been doing at that particular moment.

I think it's saj/gamma when I take the tinfoil off but I wanna make sure.
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Post Post #1653 (isolation #186) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:43 pm

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In post 1209, Secret Agent Jin wrote:That is to say, there is no ploy to get you lynched, my reason for my oush on you at day start was because all the knowledge i had at that time was i RB'd you and there was no kill. Now more info has surfaced and i realize that you arent scum due to Zach's doctor action and it probably stopped a scum kill on you.
I don't think that this is what town would default to?

Action =/= Kill attempt.
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #187) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:50 pm

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In post 1248, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Why are you going to vote me Gamma? How are you certain my role isnt non-consecutive? Do you know something i dont?

VOTE: Gamma

IJ, what do you want me to explain?
Voting gamma here doesn't make sense if he actually isn't non-consecutive.
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #188) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:53 pm

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Yea gonna call the gamma flavorcop stuff on saj bad scum theater and tip my hat to zach and dreal if it's them.

VOTE: Saj
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #189) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:54 pm

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IJ if scum gets a win from me as well.
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Post Post #1658 (isolation #190) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:36 pm

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In post 1657, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I blocked Gamma because i think he is scum.
Right but when someone's claiming a protective role and there's confirmed town alive it's still a bad play to block.
If I didn't know any better I'd call it a scumclaim.
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #191) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:39 pm

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In post 1657, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Are you saying an action doesnt equal the kill?
I'm saying that it doesn't make sense for you to no longer think blocking dreal couldn't have stopped the kill just because he used a motivator.
To be fair most people started to assume that was a town-role right after.
Did zach claim doc before or after that?
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #192) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:46 pm

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I don't think it's unfair to think scum would flavorcop scum but also there's the fact that ij only confirmed he used an investigation not who he used it on.
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Post Post #1664 (isolation #193) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:35 pm

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In post 1661, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I assumed Dreal had a town role because Zach claimed before the post you are talking about.
And you don't think there's any chance at all that you blocked the kill?
Secret Agent Jin wrote:Thats fair but who would have he used it on? Surely if he confirmed Zach was a Doctor or you were whatever you claim, VT right?, that you would see a flip from a Zach kill or whatever. Basically, what i am saying is that if he faked hia claim that he invested me, you would have surely seen his real invest dead.
It doesn't really matter.
Technically yes.

Also why and how would gamma actually investigating someone else mean that he as scum would necessarily be sure to kill them?
Gamma Emerald wrote:This type of play pisses me off
Take issue with the process not the solution.
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Post Post #1665 (isolation #194) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:37 pm

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In post 1663, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1660, culted wrote:I don't think it's unfair to think scum would flavorcop scum but also there's the fact that ij only confirmed he used an investigation not who he used it on.
There is of course the possibility that I used it on someone else knowing I wouldn't be seen visiting a specific person
Very good.
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Post Post #1667 (isolation #195) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:55 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1668 (isolation #196) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:00 pm

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In post 1666, Secret Agent Jin wrote:What do you think?
I'm just thinking about all the possibilities out there and what makes the most sense.

Do you still think gamma/ij is the team?
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #197) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:42 pm

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In post 1670, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Surely they would have kept the invest to themselves and killed me for being an RB so that doesnt really line up as them being the scumteam
You're forgetting that IJ straight up TOLD gamma to use his rolecop as well. The only reason that it wasn't kept a secret is because gamma thought his result contradicted your claim (which it did right?).
In post 1670, Secret Agent Jin wrote:plus Gamma would have been the lynch period when i flipped town no matter how he pushed me. Unless they were planning to pin the BnL kill on me since he came out the same day with who he was shooting but that still doesnt answer how they got past Zach if he is a doctor and was on BnL. The Gamma claim on me was way before the BnL claim though, i would think they would try to push something on me shortly after Gamma's invest claim. I just dont see Gamma/IJ as the scumteam.
You realize that regardless of gamma's alignment he probably got a rolecop result on you. If you really did lie about being non-consecutive he wouldn't be lynched the next day for it and town would be dumb to simply lynch you over a half claim that does have town motive.

As for getting through Zach's protection that's harder to answer but isn't impossible.
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #198) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:46 pm

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In post 1671, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Gamma/Zach which i dont see either being scum together.
Why?
In post 1671, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Zach/Dreal this does have a common link D2 so ill look into this.
Why?
In post 1671, Secret Agent Jin wrote:What do you think about IJ/Dreal or IJ/Zach? I personally dont see any connections with either of them.
Are you forgetting dreals very early tunnel on IJ?
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #199) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:47 pm

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In post 1676, Zachstralkita wrote:Zach is not scum god damnit
If you're town and saj is town then who's scum?
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