Micro 669 - Procrastination Mafia - At The End...(GAME OVER)

[BNL]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Hi

[BNL]

VOTE: ZackStralkita

It's probably zac

Is this serious?

If not, why switch votes during RVS? Or why RVS twice?

[BNL]

Why not ask me the same thing?

-Inf

Dunn was the only person whose second vote seemed potentially serious.

[BNL]

My vote on Zach isn't rvs

VOTE: Infinite Justice

we got a different kind of justice around hERE

@Dunn: What about Zach's post is scummy?

[BNL]

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Secret Angent Jin

I think his roleplaying is overdone

[BNL]

I'm not answering that so just vote me now

I won't because I'm not scumreading you, what gave you that impression though?

[BNL]

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Secret Angent Jin

I think his roleplaying is overdone

My role-playing seems overdone and that is scummy enough to vote me? I am just curious how my roleplaying is AI, arent we suppose to procrastinate in this game and do lazy things? Its really just joking around with the flavor of the game.

Yes, I do think that your RPing is scum indicative. I understand that you were playing with the flavour of the game, but you did it to a much greater extent than I'd expect town to.

[BNL]

VOTE: Bullet

I mean, he is bullet and lynchproof so this shouldnt count, right? Right? Wait it counts? Well i got better things to do, i cant be bothered to unvote....too many characters to type.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Zack

Thats where my vote is going, he is underachieving.

Three RVS votes on Zach? I dont want to be a part of that, im too lazy to be a part of a wagon.

UNVOTE:

There is nothing wrong with a three vote wagon, im just cant be bothered to join a wagon.

Well, I didn't really like the role playing over one entire day, it felt overdone, I think town would stop role playing earlier.

[BNL]

BnL, the second post doesn't really count as RPing. You really think that town wouldn't RP in 3 posts early on?

-Inf

Well I guess you're right on the first point, it got registered as a joke post, which in my mind I classified as RP for some reason.

It was across more than one day, and that felt like too much time for me.

[BNL]

If you feel the RPing us too much then i will stop, my bad, i didnt think it would bother anyone.

I didn't find your RPing annoying or distracting, I found it scummy.

[BNL]

rp is a dumb reason to scum read someone

rp is a dumb reason to scum read someone

Mhmm

RP by itself is null

RPing and doing nothing else is scummy.

[BNL]

I don't think it is the RP that is bothering, I think it's just that it seems forced and overdone and that is not ever good because 1 it skews an ability to read you (and so just comes off scummy)

it's a nuanced thing, RPing

You are correct, i see where you are coming from with the skewed read thing. I was planning on only doing this until things moved out of the silly starting on the game phase and so now i am switching to actual posting.

My first vote was just pure RVS, my second was because i had to take the opportunity to make a pun, and my unvote is because Zach was at three votes and it takes 5 to lynch iirc and i didnt want to be on a wagon that was voted up for no reason.

Ok, at least I understand why you were RPing, but why didn't you say this earlier? Why don't you want to take the initiative to take the game out of RVS?

You had a reason for your unvote, so why RP with your unvote instead of giving your actual reasons?

[BNL]

Oh, btw, Drealmer's RPing didn't ping me for some reason

[BNL]

V/LA 12-17 December

Will be posting, but lesser.

noted.

[BNL]

Yes I understand that most people won't find SAJ scummy for his early role playing, but I do.

culted do you have an opinion of your own on anything? Or are you just going to ask questions?

[BNL]

Drealmerz7, how strong is your gut scumread on IJ and me?

[BNL]

UNVOTE: Secret Agent Jin

VOTE: drealmerz7

I think his initial gut read of IJ/BNL scumread is nonsense, and him persisting it is a newbscum tactic (yes, Drealmer is new), especially with a lack of scumhunting elsewhere.

The bottom of page 3 and post 117 is also inconsistent with his deathtunnel on IJ

[BNL]

^*and on me too, wrt bottom of page 3

[BNL]

Dunnstral is town btw

[BNL]

Whoops drealmerz isn't new, I forgot he pointed it out in the thread about his Homesite, I thought he was new because of his first post in MS.

Still a common scum strategy though. Pretending to be deathtunneled on someone early game.

[BNL]

Yes I agree that IJ is town, but that's just going off my gut.

IJ: You seem to be town reading Drealmer because "he's too scummy to be scum", and I disagree that's towny. Explain this?

Not understanding the Zach wagon.

[BNL]

culted, can I have some opinions from you? Like some reads or comments (not questions) on thread activity?

[BNL]

Yes I agree that IJ is town, but that's just going off my gut.

IJ: You seem to be town reading Drealmer because "he's too scummy to be scum", and I disagree that's towny. Explain this?

I'm not, putting yourself out there aggressively is not too scummy to be scum, it's just something that scum don't do. It's just not necessary and takes too much effort and not many other people townread it like I do.

Ah, I misunderstood "putting yourself out there" as being obviously scummy.

I missed out an earlier question on tunneling, I think it's ridiculous and fake to make a gut scum

team

at the start and not change that at all over the course of the game. Well, *something* should have changed by this stage.

[BNL]

Argh V/LA is more hurting than I expected, so I'll give some thoughts:

I Fos Ari 227 and 276

SAJ may be town, I saw some town from him

Something about Zach caught my eye that I'll look in further detail after my V/LA

Still not liking Drealmer, I want his thoughts outside IJ

Culted's playstyle here is useful to scum as scum but can also be a town way of playing. I need an opinion from him to sort him. The opinion can be any read.

[BNL]

I will reread and catch up after V/LA, I'm basically skimming now and may miss some crucial points

[BNL]

I have issues with IJ on this page.

IJ, is it scum motivated to be not voting instead of voting next strongest scumread?

[BNL]

I have issues with IJ on

this page

.

IJ, is it scum motivated to be not voting instead of voting next strongest scumread?

what page is this?

what kind of question is that? it sounds like a scum question on how to not be scumread

"if I do it like this how does it look?"

scum don't have "next strongest scumreads" - they have fake scumreads and it is up to the individual player's own strategy and motivations to be not voting or to vote their next strongest (fake) scumread

ooof

This page: Page 13

Will tell you about the weird question after IJ answers

[BNL]

Drealmerz is still scum.

Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.

[BNL]

I have issues with IJ on this page.

IJ, is it scum motivated to be not voting instead of voting next strongest scumread?

It's not town motivated when there's a certain amount of time when someone has no scumreads and doesn't care or doesn't even mention it, especially for the normally hyperactive gamma. It makes a lot more sense for scum to just wait for something to come along that they can call scummy.
-Inf

So lack of town motivation means scum motivation?

[BNL]

Drealmerz is still scum.

Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.

she's got 2 posts on this page

can you be more specific about what you don't like about her in them?

305: He said "I'm nor sure whether to townread BNL for this or scumread BNL for that" a second time. Striked me as weird.

310: Infinity thinks scum motivation makes one scummy. His scumread on Gamma seems to arise from something else

[BNL]

Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.

they're all town

Is this because you think IJ and I are scum? Or do you have independent reasons on all of them?

[BNL]

BnL what was the prior issue you took with me?

I currently don't think it means anything and it's not worth it to out my reason in that case.

[BNL]

Drealmerz is very scummy, why is no one else voting there?

[BNL]

Someone tell me how town!Drealmer has a gut scumread on IJ and me, that is somehow strong enough to cause a townread on everyone else, which has not been dropped yet, and is still playing as if he did not have these reads other than a tunnel on IJ.

[BNL]

My case: Zach's claimed vt when he was "hammered" as scum before and everyone unvoted him and ignored that

Actually... I can sheep this, but would rather pursue Drealmer first

[BNL]

^What are you even talking about...

Citation needed?

Drealmer has an apparently strong gut read that IJ and I are scum and everyone else is town, and we're part halfway.

Zero way that comes from town

[BNL]

What do you think of Drealmer?

[BNL]

Fine, I'll do a full case on Drealmer:

If we assume Drealmer is deathtunneled town,

I think it just depends on the player and the circumstances and in general is NAI, but in this instance, I feel that it feels overdone and a bit forced, however, that could just be the awkwardness of the RPing coming through. Some ppl just "play it" and it doesn't come off well, town or scum. Not trying to disuade your vote, just saying, I see what you're feeling and I agree it feels not quite right, but I'm not sure it is scum. I'll probably vote him later depending!

Drealmer sees my perspective, even though he scumrthem. me

try and be comfortable at L-1 then and let's see the wagon go how it naturally goes, not out of fear, but out of reasoned steps

Yeah, no.

Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.

they're all town

Scum striving for consistency. IJ and I are scum, so the rest are town. But there's no way your gut read is that strong, and if we assume Drealmer hasn't been reading the game, he should be null on them.

[BNL]

I guess maybe Drealmer wasn't as scummy as I thought, let's go here instead:

VOTE: Zach

[BNL]

OK got back from V/LA, will reread and catch up.

Was planning to do this yesterday but was so tired I slept the entire day.

[BNL]

Like, not giving views as town is a strategy. (That's why I kept my vote on BnL so long). That seemed to be the strategy culted was using up until now, then he gives away his whole readslist and leaves which reads he explains up to the whims of the town (and scum btw). Doesn't seem like much of a strategy to me.

-Inf

But you did agree with me culted's strategy was a town strategy 305. And that's not why you kept your vote on me, I only said that six days into Day 1.

[BNL]

Some other thoughts I gained while on V/LA, I'm impatient to post them:

Drealmerz is still scum.

Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.

she's got 2 posts on this page

can you be more specific about what you don't like about her in them?

305: He said "I'm nor sure whether to townread BNL for this or scumread BNL for that" a second time. Striked me as weird.

310: Infinity thinks scum motivation makes one scummy. His scumread on Gamma seems to arise from something else

I take back my point on 305, I think that's town.

Also I thought Aristophanes was scummy, why is everyone townreading him?

[BNL]

So you are saying that culted's strategy could've been a town strategy but the way he followed up with it seemed to be scummy?

[BNL]

Ok now I see why Gamma was wagoned, 237 was opportunistic.

Not sure if I would be voting him, I want to read Ari a bit more. Calming down on Drealmer though.

[BNL]

I have issues with you just saying that now without pointing it out before. I expected if you townread zach after the fakehammer thing for you to immediately vote for who you think is scum or try to find them.

VOTE: gamma

Why did you scumread SAJ before his latest post?

-Inf

Which of Gamma's posts were you referring to with this post?

That string of posts were in response to posts after his last post before that string

[BNL]

I don't see why you put so much important on where my vote is. To be honest, my vote could be on BnL, on you, my top townread, or on no one, and it wouldn't make too much of a difference to me. So I kept my vote because the best purpose for it right now is to let titus to whatever she was gonna do with it. Titus did then tell me by pm that I could move my vote, but I don't see a reason to because I don't have a place for it. It seems to me that you put a lot of importance on where people's votes are at any given time, but I don't in the early game and that's basically what this is.

I also don't see where I contradicted myself

-Inf

For real?

You've been at L-1 already,but you don't think the placement of your vote is important?

This shit can't be right.

Nice fakehammer btw

Thanks! It was some of my finest work!
Did you know it was a fakehammer when you claimed, or was that only noticed when you scrolled up?

I didn't realize I had been "lynched" when I posted initially

In that case, you get a townread for the reaction.

[unvte][/unvote]

Someone sell me on a wagon please

These posts are scum.
VOTE: Aristophanes

Why is no one voting here?

[BNL]

Four days is enough to swing a wagon onto someone, if everyone is posting then they can switch their vote. I get that last minute wagons aren't good but it isn't last minute.

I also dislike compromising, and I don't like that you're persuading me to, that feels scummy to me. If you're town reading Ari, you should be saying why to dissuade me from voting there. And please do so.

[BNL]

...But no one is voting Ari other than me?

[BNL]

Hey I have an idea

Someone vote gamma so we don't have to rush to deadline lynch

-Inf

Ugh

I was coming around to you town and you suddenly become scummy

[BNL]

VOTE: Zachstralkita
L-1
Agreeing with Dunn here, this does not feel like your towngame currently.

Ok so first step

Explain what Zach's towngame feels like, because I've never been in a game with him before

[BNL]

You think you're funny huh

I mean, I do. But that was supposed to be an actual unvote as I likes the reaction.

UNVOTE:

lol

Zach's done that as scum before

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8466765

This is true. As Backup Mod and part of the story I followed and should have remembered that. It does make him more null than I had him previous to this, but I still liked his reactions.

What do you mean done that as scum before? Claiming VT is something scum do?

Because like I said, I didn't even realize I'd been "hammered". You can accuse me of manipulating the fake hammer but I didn't even know there was a hammer to begin with until AFTER my claim. If anyone at all is going to SR me have it be on play and not shitty meta. Then I will respect you more but still very, very little.

Do you usually troll post-hammer as scum?

[BNL]

Waiting for Drealmer to come back to see if his reads have changed, and also for the answer to this post:

Please give me your thoughts outside IJ and myself.

they're all town

Is this because you think IJ and I are scum? Or do you have independent reasons on all of them?

[BNL]

Actually

Why would drealmerz7 not try to convince Ari that me&IJ were scum when Ari asked to be convinced on a wagon?

[BNL]

drealmerz chose to push Dunn for a case instead

[BNL]

VOTE: Zachstralkita
L-1
Agreeing with Dunn here, this does not feel like your towngame currently.

Ok so first step

Explain what Zach's towngame feels like, because I've never been in a game with him before

You're talking to motherfuckers who don't REALLY know what Zach's towngame feels like

I'm more interested in how Gamma says your towngame feels like than what it actually is.

You think you're funny huh

I mean, I do. But that was supposed to be an actual unvote as I likes the reaction.

UNVOTE:

lol

Zach's done that as scum before

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8466765

This is true. As Backup Mod and part of the story I followed and should have remembered that. It does make him more null than I had him previous to this, but I still liked his reactions.

What do you mean done that as scum before? Claiming VT is something scum do?

Because like I said, I didn't even realize I'd been "hammered". You can accuse me of manipulating the fake hammer but I didn't even know there was a hammer to begin with until AFTER my claim. If anyone at all is going to SR me have it be on play and not shitty meta. Then I will respect you more but still very, very little.

Do you usually troll post-hammer as scum?

I find the basis of your question dubious at best and subject to my intense scrutiny sir

I want to know if you usually continue claiming town or claim scum after you've been hammered in the absence of shenanigans. This helps me read you here.

[BNL]

I have issues with you just saying that now without pointing it out before. I expected if you townread zach after the fakehammer thing for you to immediately vote for who you think is scum or try to find them.

VOTE: gamma

Why did you scumread SAJ before his latest post?

-Inf

Actually, why didn't you ask the same question to Ari?

[BNL]

Wait IJ you aren't wanting people to compromise you just want a claim from Gamma don't you?

[BNL]

Ok I'm not sure if people want me to claim at L-1 since there is more than 3 days to deadline so I won't claim, but if people want me to claim I will.

I will say that I am a very weak PR, and what I had issues with was Zach's VT claim. I'm guessing that the game is all weak PRs, considering how weak mine is and the lack of a sample role PM. This is why I was sheeping Dunn's case on Zach for claiming VT.

I'm not sure what's the best way to test my theory without outing everyone as a PR, but I suggest if there is a strong universal townread that is also a VT, they claim. Or we can discuss together if my theory sounds plausible.

[BNL]

Fine.

I'm a delayed dayvig. I shoot someone today, someone dies on D3.

[BNL]

If I die or my target dies before Day 3, my role is entirely useless

[BNL]

I don't find the need to discuss things yet because I'm not about to be lynched imo, I expect to be unvoted.

Thinking of shooting in Drealmer, Ari, SAJ

[BNL]

Also culted wordspill feels town, but really bad town

[BNL]

I don't find the need to discuss things yet because I'm not about to be lynched imo, I expect to be unvoted.

Thinking of shooting in Drealmer, Ari, SAJ

Not shooting Zach because if he dies it's due to D1 lynch.

Yes my role is now useless having claimed it, but it's better than not claiming

[BNL]

I'm not sure if that's allowed, is that considered quoting role PM?

If it's allowed I will do it immediately

[BNL]

Actually it's probably allowed

I-won't-get-off-my-ass Town Police

[BNL]

Are you not getting it? The mod is too lazy to resolve it immediately and thus resolves it on Day 3. Look at the title

[BNL]

And you thinking my role is fake in that regard now makes me think you're scum, a town role wouldn't think that way.

But I'm really going off setup spec here so it either suggests Zach/culted or I'm just wrong

[BNL]

Yea I "get" it. But why make a setup shitty just to fit flavor?

It's not shitty

My role will gain a mislynch if I survive and there is a successful protective hit, or the offchance there is another vig. But if you're right that if it doesn't, it makes no difference to the game. That's another reason my role is so weak.

[BNL]

I'm compulsive Day 1

[BNL]

I can still change it before the end of Day 1

[BNL]

I have to

[BNL]

Because claiming is better than not claiming at L-1

[BNL]

Remember when mass claim comes. Will Zach's role still make sense? He'll have to full claim eventually if he survives. If we don't lynch him now, we can still lynch him eventually.

[BNL]

Wait Zach did you just suggest that I should fakeclaim as town?

[BNL]

Why would you lynch a vanilla townie

Because my setup spec suggests that there are no VTs in this game

[BNL]

Actually yes

Best strategy is to wait for mass claim to see if Zach's role makes sense. Nobody claim yet

[BNL]

I don't like how Dunnstral chose to respond to 528 instead of the later posts

[BNL]

But could be town who is still forming an opinion on matters

[BNL]

Meanwhile Gamma is focusing on minute not-really-important stuff here, seems to be asking questions that go nowhere rather than gamesolving

[BNL]

You had a townread on him earlier, what happened?

[BNL]

You woke me up with that last post.

Plus him asking if you can shoot in private doesn't really come from a town mindset looks more like he's fishing you and going with the flow here.

Plus I get what you were getting at with the setup spec stuff now. I just think you're not thinking about zach from all different angles.

I asked about shooting in private because if he couldn't his role would be truly useless.

So what?

[BNL]

Okay I can get behind voting Gamma now

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[BNL]

I don't like how Dunnstral chose to respond to 528 instead of the later posts

I hadn't read the later posts. Or the previous ones

I buy this. I think people will generally tell the truth about this regardless of alignment.

Still I don't like how a post in the middle which didn't like him caught his eye more than the full catch up. But I was town reading Dunn earlier, and this isn't enough to move me.

[BNL]

VOTE: Gamma
Right o' mister IC.

pedit; That's a pretty activity-based theory and we all know that activity doesn't equal alignment, at least for everyone.

What? You just disagreed that I was confirmed town, now you sheep me for being confirmed town?

[BNL]

Dunn, you think IJ is bussing Gamma?

[BNL]

I have a guilty on infinite justice. It was delayed until just now

Are you a daycop?

[BNL]

I am a JOAT. My flavor is "help-I-hate-work-but-I-took-it-anyway".

That's... um...

The word "town" is missing

Is that your full role name?

[BNL]

I still think Dunn and IJ are both town, Dunn is probably just misinterpreting his result

[BNL]

Like seriously Dunn if you don't give me the nature of your guilty it sounds too ridiculous to be true.

[BNL]

I find it hard to wrap my head around a role that can get a guilty (or even an inno) before D1 ends. I think such a fakeclaim is unlikely, but I don't think IJ is scum either. Dunn, please fullclaim the part of your role that give you the gulity on IJ

[BNL]

Btw I'm not a daycop but let's pull back on the gamma lynch for now?

@BNL

I was ninjad, didn't see that when I posted, was rushing to post that

[BNL]

Actually Dunn shouldn't claim his result exactly

[BNL]

Less we reveal to scum the better

[BNL]

@Dunn are you 100% sure that one of {you, IJ} is scum?

[BNL]

Yes I know Dunn is not a daycop

[BNL]

That isn't a fullclaim

[BNL]

You don't have to be a cop to have a guilty

[BNL]

I'm just confused at Dunn's role

[BNL]

I mean, it'll be good to have a confirmed scum in {Dunn, IJ}

[BNL]

Ok I'm back.

Not sure where this Zach wagon is coming from, but I really don't like the speed of this wagon. Possible counter to Gamma?

On the other hand, when I last read Zach's ISO it had nothing but throwing shade around (hinting at people scum but no townreads), and the VT claim... I think my reads on Gamma's claim and Zach's claim are sort of predicated on each other. Need to think more.

UNVOTE:

[BNL]

I don't think I said anything about Gamma's claim before: It seemed too powerful to be town aligned, when compared to my role. He could be true claiming as scum-aligned version of his role.

[BNL]

Dunn's reaction test achieved nothing IMO, it was obvious to me that he was fakeclaiming as a D1 guilty was too OP in this setup, so I wouldn't be surprised other people were thinking the same.

[BNL]

Zach claim flavour please.

I'd really like to know what a VT flavour looks like.

[BNL]

Also as an aside, there is too little resistance to a Zach lynch, which also worries me.

If Zach doesn't have a claimable VT flavour then ofc we lynch him, but otherwise I don't really like this.

[BNL]

766 by Gamma also pinged me. I'm not sure how to describe it... submissiveness? Scum!Farside did the same in Auction when I pressured her on a question, and she changed her answer in response.

[BNL]

I should probably say now that I didn't fullclaim, there were some aspects of my role that remained hidden. Nevertheless D1 dayvig choice is still the most vital part of my role.

[BNL]

Zach claim flavour please or I lynch you instead of Gamma.

Your refusal to claim is very scummy

[BNL]

Now I'm really confused at who's counterwagoning who.

I don't think Zach's refusal to flavour claim should be forgiven.

VOTE: Zachstralkita

[BNL]

Zach, flavour claim now

[BNL]

Wrt to IJ, I've been gut townreading them, though I don't know why, and some things objectively ping scummy. Most of the time, when I've read someone in this manner, they turned out to be scum. And I guess them townreading me makes me want to subconciously anti-OMGUS them.

But yeah... I don't feel like voting there.

[BNL]

Zach claim flavour please or I lynch you instead of Gamma.

Your refusal to claim is very scummy

You are fucking more things up than you know

If you are just Lazy Townie then what is this post talking about

[BNL]

What do you think of Zach's claim?

[BNL]

@BnL stop getting caught up in the flavor shit and look at who's scummiest by play.

-Inf

Claiming is part of play. Zach's claim doesn't line up with his play

[BNL]

Like I get that Gamma is scummiest but I can't ignore how Zach's claim looks fake, and his hesitance to claim

[BNL]

Ugh now I'm really confused

Four people reached L-1 near deadline.

IJ's townread on me made me blind to their scumminess if any, I will need to reread them

[BNL]

For my future reference

[L-1] Infinite Justice - [4] Zachstralkita, culted, Dunnstral, drealmerz7

[L-1] Zachstralkita - [2] Aristophanes, Infinite Justice, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald

[L-1] BulletNLynchproof - [4] drealmerz7, Dunnstral, culted, Infinite Justice

[L-1] Gamma Emerald - [4] Zachstralkita, BulletNLynchproof, culted, Infinite Justice

[L-1] Zachstralkita - [4] Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral, Secret Agent Jin, culted

[L-1] Infinite Justice - [4] Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, drealmerz7, Secret Agent Jin

[BNL]

About to vote Gamma, don't vote while I do

[BNL]

VOTE: Gamma

[BNL]

L-1

[BNL]

3 JOAT shots is too powerful for town but ideal for scum. His whole role seems to make more sense as scum flavor

[BNL]

Zach VT feels like fakeclaim... but Gamma/Zach probably not a team, considering now Gamma opportunistically voted Zach early on

[BNL]

3 JOAT shots is too powerful for town but ideal for scum. His whole role seems to make more sense as scum flavor

To add on to this, a typical micro has three nights, possibly less with my vig. Night 3 delayed is pointless

[BNL]

Nah, I now prefer a gamma lynch

[BNL]

If IJ also wants me to i will vote Ari but i dont want to sheep and then people point at my sheep and i get ran up again before i wake up

Are you scared of being scumread?

[BNL]

Nah. Town do this too often for it to be scummy

[BNL]

Why the fuck does scum, while at L-1 with like no time left give a fuck about what scum no?

He's town.

And what are you talking about, I don't understand

[BNL]

UNVOTE:

I know nothing anymore

[BNL]

I believe BNL's claim. We should decide who he is going to shoot

No. If scum know he's hitting them, he's going to die.

Didn't you say this earlier @Gamma

[BNL]

I believe BNL's claim. We should decide who he is going to shoot

No. If scum know he's hitting them, he's going to die.

Didn't you say this earlier @Gamma

Not a definite target: a pool.

Also no. Or if you insist, everyone but me.

[BNL]

VOTE: Gamma

[BNL]

That's the second time you've did that

[BNL]

Dunn did you just hammer without intent?

[BNL]

Dunn/Gamma is a likely possibility

Dunn was on all the L-1 wagons except the Gamma one (yes he voted Gamma but not when he was at L-1)

[BNL]

Oh, and IJ, this game shows how fluid the votes can be at deadline. Compromising 4 days to deadline was not necessary at all.

And we still got an Ari lynch, one that I'd have preferred then, but I'm not so sure anymore...

[BNL]

actually id like to lynch inside GE/BNL

i feel like that would clear up some things

VOTE: aristophanes

I'm not sure where the hammer comes from at all. Just to spite Zach?

[BNL]

Nah I was gonna hammer ari anyway

That claim looks like it can avoid the delayed vig and doesn't help town anyway if it's true

Why not explain this earlier

[BNL]

No parting reads?

[BNL]

I don't think the scum kill is delayed, procastinating is

town

's flavour.

I'm thus inclined to believe SAJ and vote drealmer. I don't think the kill could be prevented in any other way; we have an unused Doctor and a lynched Commuter. But let's see if we have another no-kill claim.

[BNL]

drealmerz7, please claim

[BNL]

And I still think there's a scum in Gamma/Zach. Gamma's role is disproportionately powerful as town, Zach seems to be fakeclaiming.

[BNL]

^Yes, that's what I'm thinking.

[BNL]

VOTE: drealmerz7

[BNL]

UNVOTE: drealmerz7

Zach, why did you fakeclaim?

[BNL]

I don't think scum would've killed Drealmer.

And I obviously wasn't motivated.

[BNL]

Why do you think SAJ is lying, dreal? Why would a 1-for-1 be beneficial for scum in this circumstance?

-Inf

Rereading, I don't like this question. It's obvious why drealmer must think SAJ is lying

[BNL]

Actually my role has some sort of action today so wouldn't make sense if the motivator sped it up. And I have mod confirmation that my role isn't considered delayed (it isn't in the role name anyway) so probably isn't affected by the motivator.

[BNL]

Dreal's role is therefore confirmed, and this is definitely a town role so he's pretty much confirmed town.

Not quite sure why both scum and town would think he's towniest to kill/protect him yesterday but there isn't any other possibility so okay...

[BNL]

I still think Gamma's scum but I'd like him to check in first after his Christmas/whatever

[BNL]

Why do you think SAJ is lying, dreal? Why would a 1-for-1 be beneficial for scum in this circumstance?

-Inf

Rereading, I don't like this question. It's obvious why drealmer must think SAJ is lying

I was asking was dreal thought SAJ's motivation was.

-Inf

Why is that important?

[BNL]

UNVOTE:

BNL needs to claim his target. We have the roleblocker outted and we have a doctor claim and gamma can give a vest.

Though I guess strongman exists

Yes, that's what I was waiting for. If I can confirm Gamma can give me a vest I will claim my target. Zach is delayed so can't protect me.

[BNL]

My restriction is that I can't use all my powers: once I use 2 I become a VT essentially.

Who suggested that the Joat wasn't supposed to use all abilities again?

[BNL]

I voted him because he is vague and is slowly letting information out like he is making it up as he goes. That reeks of scum to me.

So is he making it up, or are you really not non-consecutive?

I was trying to make my role look weaker so i wasnt targeted tonight by a scumkill. I was also afraid that since my role isnt "lazy" or a "procrastinator" that everyone woukd think my role is scum since it seems the other PRs are delayed.

And this is horrible, especially the second part. FTR Ari wasn't delayed.

[BNL]

My restriction is that I can't use all my powers: once I use 2 I become a VT essentially.

Who suggested that the Joat wasn't supposed to use all abilities again?

What?

I think when I pointed out the issue that you had too much power someone said that the point of your role was not to use all shots but to use a shot while you were alive.

[BNL]

By horrible I mean scummy. He said he wanted to avoid scumcred by fakeclaiming, which is really scummy.

[BNL]

And I'm not townreading Gamma, in fact I'm still scumreading him, I just want him to work with me if he's town. I'm also scumreading SAJ, but don't think Gamma v SAJ is SvS.

[BNL]

Getting back to this real quick:

Is my target informed they received a vest?

Is my target informed they received a vest?

I cannot answer that here.

Gamma, you asked this because you wanted to know, so I presume you proceeded to ask the mod in private. Why did you not report the mod's answer here, then?

[BNL]

So drealmerz7 is pretty much conftown due to claim, and as much Zach fakeclaimed he is also almost certainly town unless the kill could be stopped in another manner. Culted is obvtown, IJ also feels town.

While I think Gamma and SAJ are both scummy, they aren't likely to be a team. Hence scum #2 is Dunnstral.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[BNL]

The mod still did not answer. I assume that is because I am not meant to know that, since I am not the one being affected by it.

Uh huh. Are you able to give me the vest tonight?

[BNL]

Good.

If you're town, here's the chance to prove that you're town to me. I shot someone in my null/scumpool (who is not you), so protect me tonight and we get 5 town kills in total. If I shoot scum, you can be town.

[BNL]

Actually knowing I'll get protected I don't see any reason why I should keep quiet about who I shot. Does anyone have a reason otherwise, or should I just claim?

[BNL]

If we agree that Gamma protects me but he doesn't he's scum

Strongman, idk...

[BNL]

The mod still did not answer. I assume that is because I am not meant to know that, since I am not the one being affected by it.

...
Still no response?

[BNL]

Nobody hammer, I still have a lot to say

[BNL]

The mod still did not answer. I assume that is because I am not meant to know that, since I am not the one being affected by it.

...
Still no response?

Yup.

Not even "You are not allowed to know this"?

[BNL]

Still kind of jaded that you made me kill town ari

And what.

[BNL]

You know what honestly I've softed my vig target enough that scum have picked up on it imo and I don't see any reason to keep it hidden anyway. I shot SAJ and he'll be dying D3.

This is why I don't want a SAJ or Gamma lynch, this will sort out by itself tomorrow.

I want a Dunnstral or IJ lynch, and greatly prefer Dunnstral.

[BNL]

Yes, I've already claimed that.

[BNL]

The point of not claiming was to hide information from scum. I decided that I had softed enough that scum would be picking up on it so I should tell the town.

I also have my own personal reasons for claiming.

[BNL]

So I was planning we lynch Dunn, have Gamma protect me while I shoot SAJ, lynch Gamma if SAJ flips town, and if anything goes wrong we lynch you. Does that not sound like a good plan?

[BNL]

And no, I still scumread Gamma

[BNL]

I just have a better plan

[BNL]

Protecting me won't make me townread him; a SAJ scumflip will.

[BNL]

If I die tonight Gamma is confirmed scum because he needs to protect me

[BNL]

UNVOTE:

[BNL]

UNVOTE:

Why?

Prevent quickhammer while processing the thread

[BNL]

Oops I just realised it's 5 to lynch

[BNL]

Are my posts just invisible? I said like 20 posts before BnL that i was his target.

I know that and i asked if he was ok that he shot town

.

As for IJ saying "why would i be a scumteam with Gamma if i pushed for his lynch?" I forgot bussing isnt a thing scum does. I was thinking it was possible for scum to distance themselves. Its a foreign concept.

I really don't like bolded

and also don't really like how SAJ isn't spamming the thread after I said I was going to dayvig him

[BNL]

bc of dreals role which is proven, dunn's delayed modifier would have been removed.


Meaning if he got targeted he would have died.

He is not dead.

Neither did mine.

Dunn: What's your rolename?

[BNL]

So I'm going to claim fully now. Today I can change my dayvig to a daycop. I intentionally delayed saying this by one day to see how SAJ would react to getting shot, and I'm not liking it at all, so I won't be changing my shot. Please discuss further if you want me to change this, but not inclined to.

[BNL]

And now I've been more strongly considering the possibility of an IJ/SAJ scumteam. Nothing's changed about Gamma but IJ's actions do look weird.

[BNL]

So I was planning we lynch Dunn, have Gamma protect me while I shoot SAJ, lynch Gamma if SAJ flips town, and if anything goes wrong we lynch you. Does that not sound like a good plan?

I'd just rather hit a more likely scum today

, and not give scum the option of killing you. I don't think gamma's alignment depends on SAJ's, or on whether or not he has a protective.

-Inf

Referring to this

[BNL]

even if you kill scum we're at an odd number of people unless a kill can be stopped by zach (not likely)

There was no kill last night, we're at evens

[BNL]

I need more input from people before I progress

[BNL]

eh I'm ok with voting Dunn for now

VOTE: Dunnstral

[BNL]

IJ's tunnel is starting to be worrying.

@All should I change dayvig -> daycop?

[BNL]

I would change it to a cop probably. SAJ would be my third choice for scum probably but I think his play fits more with noobtown, especially putting himself out there with the guilty.

Why is my tunnel only worrying to you now since it's been going on for so long?

-Inf

You just hit the threshold for me, which is one full day. And I also just taken notice of your tunnel.

[BNL]

Thanks for modding, scout!

Despite being on V/LA for the most part, I had lot of fun in this game! This is one of the most active micros ever, I almost hit a 2-page iso. The setup and game solving was also fun.