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[Aristophanes]

Oh fitz is already hammered? Had no idea. Why am I wasting my time here.

See y'all day 2

Math was the hammer. Does this change your outlook on his vote?

[TwoFace]

no

[TwoFace]

if anything it makes it stronger

[Aristophanes]

Yup, this is a tunnel.

[Gamma Emerald]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrow

No, don't say that.

[TwoFace]

Why?

[MathBlade]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrow

No, don't say that.

Lol @Gamma clearly posting in wrong thread. Scum probably have day chat too.twoFace and Gamma last ones.

[MathBlade]

Work for me people. Will check in later if still twilight.

[TwoFace]

Math again proving he's either scum or really bad player

[Gamma Emerald]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrow

No, don't say that.

Lol @Gamma clearly posting in wrong thread. Scum probably have day chat too.twoFace and Gamma last ones.

No, I understand what you are talking about and I don't think you're a good lynch.
If fitz flips town however, we're gonna go rounds.

[Hiraki]

but you make the most sense as the scum partner, I called that shit ages ago

fitz/tvd (you)/hiraki

look - this is our first interaction ever in a game and if you HONESTLY think you've figured out the game on day one, then I hope you learn a lot from this game

[TwoFace]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrow

No, don't say that.

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

[TwoFace]

look - this is our first interaction ever in a game and if you HONESTLY think you've figured out the game on day one, then I hope you learn a lot from this game

do I think i am 100% right? no absolutely not BUT if fitz is scum, my scum team makes perfect sense given the interactions.

I'll concede maybe I am wrong about you but the way fitz was soft defending tvd really strikes me as odd

[TwoFace]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

why because of the hammer?

[Hiraki]

look - this is our first interaction ever in a game and if you HONESTLY think you've figured out the game on day one, then I hope you learn a lot from this game

do I think i am 100% right? no absolutely not BUT if fitz is scum, my scum team makes perfect sense given the interactions.

I'll concede maybe I am wrong about you but the way fitz was soft defending tvd really strikes me as odd

it was odd, just not scummy - i think he had a plan

[Nachomamma8]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

[Dierfire]

D1 FINAL VOTE COUNT

havingfitz (7): Nachomamma8, Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Lil Uzi Vert, Aristophanes, Vedith, MathBlade

Creeps20 (3): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, FrankJaeger
MathBlade (2): Creeps20, TwoFace
Gamma Emerald (1): havingfitz


No Vote (0):

[Dierfire]

D1 has ended.

havingfitz (Mafia Goon)

was lynched.

N1 begins now. Players wishing to submit or change actions must do so before the deadline.
Any outstanding prods must be answered by PM. If replacements are necessary, the deadline will be extended.
There is no option to end N1 early.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-12-10 15:30:00)

[Dierfire]

N1 has ended.

MathBlade (Town Bodyguard)

was found dead.

D2 begins now.

VOTE COUNT 2.00

No Vote (11): TwoFace, Vedith, Lil Uzi Vert, FrankJaeger, Creeps20, Hiraki, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Aristophanes, Nachomamma8

With 11 players living, 6 votes are required to lynch.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-12-20 16:30:00)

NOTES

Gamma Emerald V/LA until 16 December (normal activity/prod requirements will apply)

[Aristophanes]

MathBlade <3

Good work G!

[Aristophanes]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Gamma, tell me why this made sense.

Nacho, tell me why it didn't.

[Nachomamma8]

caught up overnight.

STRONG TOWN (would bet the game that none of these players will flip scum):
Lil Uzi Vert
TwoFace
Joshz
Aristophanes

DECENT TOWN (would be incredibly surprised if any of these players flip scum):
Creeps
Gamma

LEAN TOWN (I think they are town, but am not 100% confident):
Hiraki
---big gap---
Vedith

SCUM (I think these are the remaining scum):
Deers
---big gap---
Frank

[Nachomamma8]

The case on Frank hinges pretty heavily on the wide gulf between his play here and his play in Newbie 1744, where he was town. Now, typically, meta'ing after a single game is foolish and silly, but there's a big enough difference between the two games where it's definitely something I think we should talk about. There's also the matter of Frank's lack of time in this game is probably genuine which eats into the significance of this a bit but even when he's had a bit of time he's reached nothing close to the production he reached in that game and I think it's because he's uncomfortable with playing scum.

As far as body of work goes, Frank seems a hell of a lot more invested in 1744 than he does here, even from the beginning; whereas our Frank focuses on what's anti-town and throws out reads without backing them up at all, 1744 Frank questions early, and when he provides a scumread, provides decent backing to go along with it. Also of note is that during this game Frank goes through a hurricane that takes away computer access and when he comes back he has a catchup that is a great deal less underwhelming than the catchup we got here (compare this and this with the atrociousness that we were subjected to).

Now, as for game related posts...

First of all, he has 30 posts this game. 10 of them are promises of more content. Now, that people don't have time and all, but the fact that dodging posting in the game is a third of his posting is the part where prod dodging veers from annoying into alignment-indicative; compounded with the fact that whenever he does post content it's violently underwhelming, I don't really think there's a chance that he's town here.

Another good chunk of his posts are posts that aren't promises, but posts that aren't alignment-indicative; 58 and 60 are two posts dealing with why he thinks something is anti-town and thus has nothing to do with alignment, 61 is discussing alt identity and thus has nothing to do with alignment, 67 is talking about how discussing TVD's alt-identity is antitown and thus has nothing to do with alignment, 82 and 86 are two Frank posts where he talks about why discussing whether TVD is an alt or not is useless and thus has nothing to do with alignment.

The rest of his posts are half-baked reads; he townreads Hikari because "a couple posts look townish" and spend a large part of his time talking about how he doesn't see how people are scumreading him; this makes the chances of Frank being knowingly aligned with Hikari drop pretty dramatically since I don't think that the entirety of his content would be townreading his scumpartner for absolutely no reason (weak scum generally avoid scumpartners, and if Frank is this bad at faking content, I'd imagine the main read that he'd have would be a truth read as opposed to faking it and it's much easier to townread town than it is to do anything else).

His vote on Creep, however, is the scummiest. The entirety of the case on him presented is "10-15, Creeps looks scummy" to voting him instantly; this looks like scum trying to drive through the mislynch through and through.

If Frank is scum with havingfitz (he very likely is), then Hiraki moves up to decent town, Creeps moves up to strong town.

[TwoFace]

Well I certainly wasn't expecting that. Have to reevaluate things now. Sucks I wasn't able to be on the wagon. Since it was basically my wagon.