Official Pokémon Sun and Moon (S&M) Thread

[hiplop]

Using this game to procrastinate on studying for my finals and I just beat the Ghost Trial

The water starter final evolution is OP af I am so glad I chose Popplio

I am really hooked to this world/story, plus almost all of the new Pokemon have good designs and are actually viable both in game and competitively

DEFINITELY better than gens 5/6 and probably 3 too

[McMenno]

what's so good about gen 1 anyway

[Garmr]

what's so good about gen 1 anyway

Mother fucking Blue Oak or in other words asshat

[Annadog40]

what's so good about gen 1 anyway

Glitches

[Davsto]

Gen I is impressive in terms of the scale of the game for such a tiny cartridge - it was an amazing feat of efficiency and compression to fit all that they did onto it.

As a game, it's a good game, but incredibly glitchy and unbalanced (which is why people who played it as a kid but not as much recently love it - you don't notice that when you're a child). I admire its legacy, but as an actual game, gen I is the worst.

[Felissan]

Also, regardless of what Genwunners keep saying, it had extremely low standards in terms of Pokémon originality, with many of them being obvious filler to effortlessly get the total up to a round number plus one. *cough*Water types*cough*
It's not something I really care about personally, but it triggers me every time someone calls Gen I a masterpiece in that regard.

[Natirasha]

Pokemon peaked at gen 4+5

[Psyche]

pokemon emerald was the best pokemon game, if only because of its battle frontier

[Psyche]

though i spose the gen iv frontier was about as good

[Chevre]

3 > 5 > 7 > 1 > 6 > 4 > 2

[Davsto]

7>4>6>3>5>2>1

[Garmr]

3 > 5 > 7 > 1 > 6 > 4 > 2

if we include remakes gen 2 had a pretty solid one

which in my books makes it

7>2>5>6>3>1>4

[McMenno]

eh remakes are in the gen they were released in

[Garmr]

Because gen 2 was only improved when they remade it. Gen 3 and it's remake are overrated.

[Psyche]

if you liked the gen 2 remake, then you liked gen 4

[Parama]

3 > 7 > 2 > 6 > 1

i've never played gen 4 or 5 tbh

[Natirasha]

4>5>7>3>2>1>6

Kalos was offensively bad at literally everything, Platinum/HGSS were best in terms of game content, Unova best generation in terms of gameplay progression.

[Spiffeh]

Kalos was offensively bad at literally everything

[Errantparabola]

i was all about to provide my awesome ranking of the gens, then i realized i only played gen 3 and 4
so uh
3 > 4
i guess.

[Davsto]

Kalos was offensively bad at literally everything

what

[Davsto]

Also, was B2W2 much better than BW? Because I'm trying to figure why I hold 5 so much lower than everyone else (I never got B2W2 because I have limited money and BW I didn't enjoy a huge amount)

[Spiffeh]

Yeah BW was shit but BW2 was pretty good imo

[SleepyKrew]

the issue with BW is they made a bold decision by making it Unova-Pokemon only and Unova happens to have the most garbo Pokemon
2 fixed that though
and also experience curve is a+
also N

[Natirasha]

^ mostly.

Unova-only was actually a good design decision imo for BW, and if you go by the numbers Unova has the oddest distribution where most of the pokemon were either top tier designs(Stoutland line, Scolipede, Whimsicott+Liligant, Eelektross, Scrafty, Cofagrigus, Galvantula, Escavalier-Accelgor, Haxorus, Volcaronae, Bisharp were all great) but then it had a bunch of garbage designs(every single legend besides Meloetta/Genesect, 2/3 of the starters, Vanilluxe, Drudigon aka my least favorite design in all of pokemon, Heatmor, Sawk/Throh, the fucking monkeys).

But yeah Unova's game progression is flat-out unmatched. When you have pokemon like Bisharp and Hydreigon evolving in the mid-60s and you're still not in the post-game, you've done something right. Not to mentions they actually put effort into the storyline a little and they actually made Manhattan into an interesting region terrain-wise. BW2 fixed the few flaws there were in the game design and added a post-game, then they're pretty damn close to perfect. The only major knock I'd give on the generation is that Unova, despite being interesting, is just a big circle and more than every other gen it contributed to the stupid power creep with it's mons.

Kalos, however, was abysmal. The region has Unova's 'big circle' problem except the environments aren't interesting or distinctive. The in-game progression was a fucking mess with the level curve completely fucked at minimum(which only got compounded by Exp Share if used), there were major pacing issues in the region like a MAJOR gameplay gap between gyms 2->3, then like 4 gyms next to each other, even then you get so many powerful free pokemon it borders on comic(something only made worse in OR"Gives you a Lati@s less than halfway through the game"AS), mega-evolution wasn't designed around and only serves to make the easiest games in the series easier, there is literally zero postgame in any of the gen, mega-evolution as a concept was an awful terrible horrible gimmick idea that they had to roll back in SM(seriously read the dex entries in SM about megas), literally every single aspect of Aegislash(how you fuck up 'Haunted Sword pokemon' is beyond me), the billion loose threads in-game that are never explained or followed up on(or in the worst case shunted as a kinda-sorta-shitty-fetch-quest-cameo in Alola), the spiraling hellish labyrinth that is Lumiose City...The only things I can positively say about this gen is that some of the designs were cool(mostly named Dragalge and Goodra), trainer customization is good, Lysandre was cool(but is doomed to be overshadowed by our goddess Lusamine), and Fairy type is a godsend both competitively and personally. I didn't have any strong opinions on Hoenn the first time I played through it, and that held up in the return visit. The only thing I really remember from it is that I solo'd the majority of the game with MegAltaria and also too much water/10.

Thankfully Alola fixed most of those problems although I have my complaints with it, the big two being too many rails too little exploration, the underutilization of new pokemon/Alolan forms(an inordinate number of new pokemon have a 1% encounter rate or even worse in Dhelmise's case), and close to a third of the pokedex is legendaries. Also SOS battles kinda suck.

[Garmr]

I love the idea of regional variants I hope they put them in every game.