Dota 2 Thread: REBORN SOURCE 2 HYPETRAIN NOBRAKES

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So Clinkz being played in competitive games and winning. Hell certainly has frozen over hasn't it.

Ehhhhh what why?


Techies also winning competitive games (valve totally gotta port him sooner now).

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I watched KingRaven's stream about 3 days ago; I laughed pretty hard and then went ahead and reported him on dota2.

Reck, I'd teach you, but you're never online.

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I think neruz might have one more left?
(by the way, neruz, my <333 PM is still in my outbox)

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Voker's not actually as hard as I thought him to be; I'm not even playing him near 50% of his capacity (because I can't push out more than 5 spell combos in 3 seconds and stuff), but boy is he a bullshit hero.
One mistake I see EVERY SINGLE PUBVOKER doing, is either going full QE, with no points in W, or simply not using ghostwalk. Ghostwalk is get-out-of-gank-for-free, or at worst, you make them use an extra 90 gold for killing you,

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Yeah, it's the same on all steam games - you do it from steam, not dota2.

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I think there's some guy named 90's orgy boy that doesn't exactly belong in there

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I am slowly beginning to think that morphling is ass-backwards OP in soloQ.

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Anyone online about now? I may play some Dota in a bit to try and figure out what the fuck I'm doing

Preferably against bots so people can train me/teach me

I am. We can do anything vs anything.

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One thing to correct there: the enemies don't need to be <50% hp for you to use spells. In fact, try to avoid being on max mana (if you're not an earthshaker or some silly stuff like that that only has mana for 1.5 spells).

And ward their pull spot. Always.

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I do miss being able to use colored names though

You can still do this, even though I don't know how.

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giant special creeps.

sometimes I wonder if those would actually make better teammates; like, an ancient hydra on-request.
By the way I'm totally up for that play-together-thing in the nearest 4 hours at least (well, not for another half-hour; got stuff to do for a bit still).

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On right now if anyone wants to play, otherwise pubbing in 5mins

Your steamname?
Edit: nevermind that, we found you, now accept the invite you fucking cupcakeman

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Okay, yeah, see edit

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Seeing as they added luna, I'm wondering if you can add night stalker's 1800 night-sight with luna's additional 1000 from her aura for sick vision

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Uhh
Fucking dota2 tooltips

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30% in wc3 I'm sure

I'm p sure that it was 25% in WC3, too. I'll try to test it now.
Edit: oh wow, you're right.

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Nah, the Mresist % is changeable; this much I know and I know that it's 25% in dota1.

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Have you restarted steam recently?
Edit: okay, that just happened to me, too. idfk what, why or when causes it.

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Today, I learned that you can't morph to 1 health as morphling when you have aegis; I presume that this is because aegis triggers at 1 health, not when you die.

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No, I'm 100% sure that I had no dots; there were no enemy heroes within, uhh, 5000 range, and I hadn't had any contact with enemy heroes in the last 20 seconds.

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gleighn

NEITHER YOU NOR FATE ARE EVER ONLINE ANYWAY T_T

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I'll try to check the replay if it's available.

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I'll be there, but saturday night which timezone?

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Filling out the survey makes you enter the pool of people available for winning a key (the lottery happens every week or so, not sure).

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Ok.
I've done it.
I've found the most fun carry in the game.

merf
lerng

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>no mana bars
>shitty functional aesthetics
>bad soundwork
>weird warding
>0:00 runes
>secret shop

meeeeeeeeeeeeh

>no ENEMY manabars, you mean (it's a plus not a minus jsyk)
>what?
>well, no, but subjective
>what?
>not really a plus or a minus either way, just different
>see above

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WELL ITS THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN

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That

discussion doesn't need to be fueled by hate for the opposite game - it's just that it inevitably becomes a dick-waving contest where the major rebuttals are "no u" with fancy words around them.

I'll cede the point of hero balance and runes at 0:00, but this only applies to public games - the game's balanced around draft and people communicating with eachother.

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vlads,

roshan lvl 7-9(lolbalance)

, get damage, get blink, rape everything

I have underlined the problem in this plan

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His only slow is melee ranged

and it has a cast time of (round estimate here) ten billion ages

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OD

BKB tears him a new one.

I'm still surprised that so few people have been converted to the church of morphling.

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OD will banish himself to wear out BKB.

And that's a 5v4 for 4 seconds, them not having their carry.

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I considered spectre's largest gimmick to be Q-ing into trees so that nobody can kill you ever?

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Jungle Pudge & Jungle Storm just got a lot weaker.

Jungle pudge definitely, but this is only a minor inconvenience to JSS, no?

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I mean, I know that - but can't you manipulate where the mobs go so that they run into a wall/trees and return sooner, nearly on par for your remnant CD?

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WOO YEAH GO NAVI

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Morphling nerfs
They were kinda needed, though
I really like the conceptual idea of Nevermore's change
Also the naix buff, even though kinda minor, will move him from kinda silly in pubs to apeshit broken in pubs
Oh sweet jesus Tree now has even more damage? I know that his ASpd got reduced but. Also new active GLOBAL ability sounds cool.

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Also, expect to see shotgun Pudge in pubs near you.

I was trying to think of what I'd build the new ethereal blade on; this works like a charm (together with a dagon 5 and refresher, obv)

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pick hard support for katsuki.

double rapiers cm incoming

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So did anyone check their DBR (optionally before dotabuff got shit on, but anyway)?

I'm reasonably sure that mine's actually close to what Dota2 thinks it is, but it's sorta far from truth. Mine's 2053, every match I try to find takes 5-10 minutes and uh, everyone I ever get to play with in soloq probably drools on their keyboard.

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I had this one time where I randomed 12 times in a row and 7 of those randoms were Lion

it was horrible cause they made me do the 5 and it was sad

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Not quite, katsu. There's been several times where I've been ricing up a storm as OD while my team is chain feeding, then walking up to the enemy and clicking R and seeing them all pop.

The reason why I dislike Lion as a 5 is because his CC gets soooo much better with levels, just like his ult.

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Also makes me think I should post here everytime I get a rampage.

This ain't the league thread, yo

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I hope we see a 90 minute game. More people need to see the Armageddon that happens if a game goes on too long.

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I need someone to teach me what to build on windrunner/luna

You can justify nearly ever item on windrunner. Actually, no, literally every item is justifiable at some point in some game.

For luna you either want to go treads/phase->drums->bkb for early fighting and stuff or midas->boots->HotD for farming (either way, make sure supports or your HotD minion stack ancients to farm it later). If game goes late you want a manta and usually a butterfly (also a bkb if you went the farming build).

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There's nothing like stomping with riki though, he is a snowball hero and you NEED a good start on him.

Hey offlane riki isn't a bad idea guys



Anyway, when you start out you WILL be bad, fuck the haters etc etc. If you have people to play with, good, but if not, that's fine, too.

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This OD 1v1 matchup is fairly hilarious.

Actually, this tournament is extremely fun to watch. Way more so than I expected.

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What was BTS's reaction when Na'Vi completely plowed a chinese team with "signature" (read: not exactly serious) picks in 15 minutes? I was watching with friends, didn't catch their commentary.

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After game 1 of Orange v Navi... 4/0/4 xboct throw not found. Made me laugh so hard.

(navi v orange day 1 spoiler)

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what a stupid game.

no armageddon
was sadness

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I've been playing pretty much only space cow these past days, and fighting him is not that hard:

Early game he has a MONSTROUS health pool. Can 2v1 dive towers against any hero ever if he has an oov (=orb of venom) and the divee doesn't have boots. Your supports NEED to carry early tps, because a space cow is going to charge at your mid or safelaner and he's going to get asspounded if there's no tp response.
Midgame is probably where he's at his strongest. Be aware that if you're ever visible, you might be getting charged. Most heroes can get solokilled by a space cow here, so walking around in groups of 2-3 (and/or standing behind a carry, in fog, while he farms) is good. Counterwarding also reduces the amount of time you spend visible and therefor when you can be charged.
Lategame supports are recommended to carry ghost scepters and force staves. Space cow will not be doing a whole lot of damage, but he does have 2 abilities that have lengthy stuns that go through bkb, and his damage is actually quite significant against lowly peasant supports.

Important notice: if space cow is stunned mid-charge, the charge will stop. If the target goes invisible, the charge will continue and the invisible unit will be visible, but untargetable.

[Staeg]

What do you usually do as mirana? Do you bop creeps, are you alone in lane, do you buy wards?

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Well uh
PMS (=poor man's shield) is generally terrible on ranged heroes
Phase are usually better than treads on mirana, but it's debatable
And you should indeed carry tps as soon as you can afford them if there's a space cow on the enemy team.

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See the PMS is not a defensive item for ranged at all, because it reduces all attacks you take by 10 before armor

The problem with buckler/vanguard/pms in general is that you either have low armor, in which case you get a lot of mileage out of your defensive item, but you still take a bajillion damage, or you have high armor, in which case you're not getting that much out of your shield. The general consensus among the high-tier players is that if you have low armor, you should get armor instead of a shield, and if you have high armor as melee, both a stout shield and a PMS is fine (vanguard in general is questionable, but some like it on axe/timbersaw). If you're ranged, well, the shield items are not for you. A bracer gives you far more, if you need a defensive item, but, no, you don't always need a defensive item.

Btw, if you spot space cow charging from more than 1000 units away, you have time to throw an arrow at him and stop him.

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Oh yeah more fun facts about space cow: you can use items while charging, including TP. However, if you hit your target before your TP finishes, that will break the TP.

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Space Cow is op still, no surprise. I'm waiting for the pro scene to start using him more. He's like a naga siren that can actually carry if needed.

pls stop
the only thing the two heroes have in common is their attack range and BAT ._.

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I do think that he might have some place as a 4 that gets, like, treads, an OoV and then a really late mek if you want one of those or a halberd, if the situation is right (right now I can't seem to think of any situations where I'd want an SB, but you know).

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HOLY SHIT IVE NEVER BEEN SO HYPED FOR A GAME

NAVI
NAVI
NAVI
NAVI
NAVI

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Nice to see Navi win but that really was some stupid shit.

ONLY SKILL
NEVER RNG
NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI
NAVI
NAVI
NAVI
NAVI

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I do think that he might have some place as a 4 that gets, like, treads, an OoV and then a really late mek if you want one of those or a halberd, if the situation is right (right now I can't seem to think of any situations where I'd want an SB, but you know).

Eh but he has no teamfight control, which is a problem. There are just too many heroes that do better in a 4.

His charge, if it goes uninterrupted, causes A LOT of mayhem. I admit that it's not that much and fairly conditional, but saying that he has no teamfight control is unfair.

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I think phase 1 NP/naga bans are what Na'Vi are looking for. I don't think any hero is worth as much as naga is to Alliance... unless they want to ban out chen+NP and then firstpick naga or something like that. Either way, naga should not be on [A] if Na'Vi wants a shot at the game.

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Well um
Game 2 was a thing that happened
[A] did not have the will to gg out even earlier than navi

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NO
NO
NIO
FUCK NO
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN
IT
NO


PLEASE

THEY SPLIT THE POT, THAT'S IT

LIFE IS FINE
THE UNIVERSE STILL EXISTS


ill go kill myself now

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My builds not optimal yet but right now it features 3x null talisman (to get early game strength), only putting 1 point in Q and putting the saved points into stats and just rushing towards Orchid.

Would suggest only 1 or maybe 2 null talismans. Storm gets to sell them too early if you get 3 (boots+TP means you only get 1 item before selling the first null).

I am fairly sure B can be addressed in the options, but don't quote me on that. C - dota2's network has been wonky for a while now, but ever since TI3 it just went to straight shit. Don't know when will it recover.

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4 as in, one of the supports (the less bitch-peasanty one, usually). You know, farm priority.

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Disruptor

I think this guy is actually 100% fine. He has 2 retardedly good abilities and 2 alright ones - it's just that he doesn't bring the heavy deeps or traditional forms of CC. Playing certain heroes against him is cancer.

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Weaver is a bad matchup though.

Get someone to pool you sentries and weaver's toast.

Also, I don't think he should go mid at all. A batrider can easily slay you alone, a magnus can with little to no help, a DK with some setup stun to close the distance and dragon tail will have you dead in no time, etc. The big range for farming doesn't kick in for a while, and even then, your best shot at escaping a gank is 'shoot shrapnel and hope that they let you walk away'.

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A trilane that includes a visage is probably a solid choice.

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You can't do the thing that sniper likes to do against people running at him (kite, basically) because of sticky and you have enough hp to die in a couple seconds. The alternative would be walking away from creeps if you hit 2-3 stacks of sticky icky, but uh, that's not what a sniper is looking for

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Same thing can be said about Shadow Fiend, Outworld Destroyer, Razor or any number of mid-carries...

SF, yea. That guy's the magnet of getting pubtrained for the first 15 minutes of the game in every skill level. OD and razor... not so much. OD has his banish which is at least 2 seconds where he can run away and/or dodge enemy stuns, if they have a casttime/traveltime. Razor can zoom zoom away and make an enemy hero's attack become 0 in a matter of seconds.

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Do note that you no longer start on earth panda - it's the last one you had selected

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Yes, they do - Very High is top 20% iirc, and that's mostly plebs still

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Huh
Research shows
Very High : 03.5%
High : 16.5%
Normal : 80.0%

When the hell did this get changed

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BKB? You mean bitch king bar? idk about that item, friend

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Wouldn't her leap negate the ult?

full damage from the distance traveled on the leap ._

Ahh, I had read that it didn't work if a certain distance was travelled fast enough but I must have got the radius wrong.

I am REALLY sure that they (intentionally or not) removed this at some point
I've killed myself with a max range blink on AM and I've seen a friend instakill themselves from 80% by TPing to base

(also mirana's thing doesn't travel fast enough to be an exception here iirc)

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The patch doesn't do that at all...?

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If you have 25% evasion t means that there's a 100 x0.75 = 75% chance to not dodge an attack. If you then get a 35% dodge chance, the chance to get hit is 100 x0.75 x0.65 = 0.4875% chance to get hit, which is basically 52% evasion.

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Oh, yeah, and by evasions there, I mean one instance of evasion and one instance of void's thingy/blind/uphill. Two evasions don't stack.

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Hero is F1 you plebs

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Anyone else amazed by what people have with the map editor in two days?

we are dotors, and we are many

i am not surprised

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vampirism uNlEaShEd xXx v 19.2 here i come

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I didn't find the hotkeys hard to use on any hero in dota1, but numpad for items kinda blew chunks

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They made it easier to get your ult level max but alot harder to get level 25

nope, max level ult is just as easy as before, while 25 is a fair bit easier to get

also, octarine is not that useful for very low cooldown abilities with notable cast animations