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[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus

Miss me?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Miss me?

I don't know who you are, but I miss you. Mew.

Ah hello well don't need to miss me anymore friend <3

[xSoniaNevermindx]

We even have a hydra account together.

It'd be a bit strange if you didn't.

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It's getting off topic but you can check my threads. There's a speakeasy or HD post about our wedding and stuff.

Anyways, people who don't think pine is town for that, why?

Because not noticing a player in the game is NAI just cause he didn't read it doesn't make him anymore towny or scummy

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"Town players start the game in the game thread. Scum players start the game in the scum thread"

Also given the way we started, there's definitely day talk.

Wouldn't the mod tell us if scum have daytalk or not?

And yes scum have there own thread but it's not like they see the whole playlist what's your point.

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Before this goes any farther... Pine please read my claim and read the player list. Thanks.

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Shut up

My vote stays.

Awwww adorable

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Lapsa

Do you have a problem with Masons?

Hey Sonia. *waves*

You know that's not how I say hello!
*tackle hug*

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Call me cute again and I'll skin you.
I'm not cute!

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Don't I get a say in this!

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I don't really like Lapsa tone but I don't really know if it's just that I don't like it or if it's scummy

Wait for more people and chill imo

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Elbirn

Gross.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

My BFF's are Titus Cloud Gerry and Andy 2 aren't even playing makes me cry.

Elbirn's reasoning feels like he came up with something on the spot like he didn't expect anyone to question the tr's

[xSoniaNevermindx]

sp00ky

Any reads so far Titus?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

(is my buddy working yet?)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

it would probably piss off Sonia.

snickers

now you've peaked my interest

[xSoniaNevermindx]

it would probably piss off Sonia.

snickers

now you've peaked my interest

I'm saying explaining my reads would piss you off, not the reasoning.

AWWWWWW
And no it wouldn't piss me off it would just make me

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VOTE: Cloud
Joey flipped scum.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Don't act like you can read me Joey you won't get far.
those reads are also shit.

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Sonia i can read you pretty damn well even tho you dont believe it. Last game you got me only because you used outside game meta which was fairly fucking low coming from you

You can read me well but we only played 2 games together on dif sides
oook w/e you say Cloud

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Also calling me scum and saying i cant read you is like saying im town with bad reads :3

No when you're town you're messy but you at least make sense

those reads came out of thin air just cause you felt like you needed some reads.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You think I'm scum for not saying "hi" alrighty!
You can say you can read me well all you want when we both know that's a lie
Besides you're reading me wrong rn so not helping your point.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You're 1/2 gl.

Let's see if your posts get better anyway

Cabd are you saying meta isn't a thing?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I actually have a record of being lynchbait on this site.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Also I've already towntold quite a bit.

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Why would you be lynchbait ? when ure town youre unlynchable imo

I actually don't know the answer to this myself
Transcend can vouch that I'm quite an easier lynch on this site as town though
My scum game is on point though

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Na my weak point is Ate or Andy cause he's great

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You didn't do anything wrong no need to say sorry

Me and Cloud aren't upset at each other were good friends even if he pisses me the fuck off.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

What makes me harder to read then others?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Hi guys ~f

I'm masons with Penguin_Alien btw.

I CC

vote: Cabd

I don't really like Pine's vote on Lapsa, ditto Gamma.

Wouldn't the mod tell us if scum have daytalk or not?

didn't you do this exact same thing as scum one time?

Sure did never got my answer so I'm asking again.

Well, feels like my vote is in the right place. I do agree with the town read on Alisae though and I'm sure a quick meta dive can confirm how she's been described for those who do TR her. I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive. Her questions and reads feel like they're coming from town.

Calling your town reads BFFs feels weird but I can't really explain why. Smells like a weak way to buddy but I may have to sleep on it in order to figure out if there is a deeper meaning there or if I'm reading too deep.

Not really feeling Gamma not explaining his reads.

Cloud and Transcend seem like their usual selfs.

Isn't Sonia an alt?

Nope.

Isn't Sonia an alt?

yes*. Its her "main".

Yup.

Hey, if nobody pressures Uzi to answer basic questions, then he'll skate by forever. I'm just adding my voice behind Eliburn's since it's a more than reasonable request. Vote some out (or keep it there outside RVS) and you should be able to explain why they're scummy. It may not be good reasoning, but either way helps others gain reads. Not answering at all or giving reasons for things is scummy though, so I expect Uzi will reciprocate.

This line is scummy as fuck I accually didn't mind your other lines cause it at least felt like you were scumhunting/getting answers but this is overly defensive and manipulative It's like saying *puts hands up* "Hey don't look at me guys I'm just helping"

Stop walling

Love,

Me

Stop posting useless fluff and contribute.

I don't think this is useless at all.

This is very useless how is this useful in any way?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

ssbn doesn't feel like town like he did in the other game we played but maybe cause I was scum in that game and it was easy to tell
gut sr though.

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Yeah MariaR is my alt.

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Ez Sonia. 2 reasons.
A. It's something that Tywin needs to understand as a player.
B. It helps me townread Transcend.

Why does that filler make you tr Transcend

[xSoniaNevermindx]

3. Sonia pops up out of nowhere, sheep's Titus by calling me scum, and her reason is also sheeped by giving her reason as my 'it's only fair' statement. Zero originality there. That's some blatant sheeping going on.



Sonia: why haven't you asked me any questions? Also, why did you sheep Titus exactly to the T? Do you have no original thought? I find that sheep on atrocious reasonings are almost always scum. What do you think? Also, when ssbm_Kyouko pointed out your blatant buddying with Titus in post #400, you came back in #407 calling him 'not town' for no reason. It was another OMGUS shade throw with zero follow through. You haven't followed any lead or anything you claim to be scummy with any actual questions whatsoever. Also, you claim my post #303 is 'scummy as fuck.' Please explain what in it is scummy. You said it was overly defensive and manipulative. What was I defensive about? Who was I defending against? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I joined in with Elibirn to get Uzi to answer why he thought Elibirn was scum. He never gave a good reason, but regardless, what was there for me to be defensive about? I wasn't being attacked, so why call it defensive? Also, how was it manipulative in a scummy way? Do you know what 'scummy' even is, or only when you're town and not using contrived reasoning to throw shade on players? Why are you chainsaw defending Uzi here? You AND Titus both highly dislike Uzi being questioned. Both of you have attacked me now over me forcing Uzi to answer a basic question. Neither of you seem to have any real questions for me though. Now THAT is 'scummy as fuck' (to quote your own words).

Okay you're clearly not reading the thread what so ever you need a bit more coffee I came back in the day having to catch up I saw your post that I disliked (get to that in a moment) and I called you out on it also I said your post was scummy but the thing you forgot to address was I said I liked your other posts that's why I didn't vote you because that was the only post I had a bit of trouble with I wasn't sheeping Titus I didn't even see her call you scum I don't even know what post ssbn called me out on the post in question you were defending yourself it was over defensive on your actions like "don't look at me it isn't my fault on this!" I don't ever omgus unless it's for a joke purpose "how does it make sense" you ask because it makes sense what type of question is that Also I'm not defending Uzi I don't have a read on him what I AM doing is calling out your shitty reasoning in that post I know what scumhunting and being scummy is smart one I don't have a question for you because there's nothing to be asked would you like some RQS? I saw a post I disliked and I commented it you clearly don't even know what sheeping is just because 2 players dislike a post doesn't make it sheeping buddy

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I think I got everything in your giant wall Tywin if I missed anything just point it out and I'll make sure to give a counter.
Things are finally getting interesting.

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At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

This line is shit.
Tywin isn't really that scummy just had a bad post he does seem like he's trying to figure the game out while you're just casting shade at wagons with fluff
the light shade toss to me is cute though.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

@Sonia I can understand intent to ignore punctuation but your post lacks content

What do you mean?
The post is addressing all the issues thrown at me in Tywins post

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At this point, I'm happy with a lynch on Tywin. Because pressure is on him, he feels as if he is obligated to go through everything. One example is why I thought Titus was scum. He thought I was responding to him because I had a post of his quoted in that post (which is not the case btw).

Also, Tywin is pushing Titus while giving Sonia a scum read seems off to me. I feel like at that moment, Sonia would have been a lot easier to push at the moment, but Tywin isn't pushing Sonia. So if Tywin is scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonia scum with Tywin.

This line is shit.
Tywin isn't really that scummy just had a bad post he does seem like he's trying to figure the game out while you're just casting shade at wagons with fluff
the light shade toss to me is cute though.

Tywin outright lied about things twice in the thread. I don't get how you're saying he's trying to figure things out.

What were the lies

1) That I never asked him anything.
2) That I claimed Gladiator was normal when I only said it was real.

Why does this have to be a lie and not just a simple misunderstanding?

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Why do you tr me Titus?

Can I have some quotes

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UNVOTE:

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What do you mean?
The post is addressing all the issues thrown at me in Tywins post

You expect me to follow through that gibberish?

Don't expect you to do anything.

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sonia your scum/town difference of play is blatant or you play diff on this acc

Are you calling me scum or town

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Why do you tr me Titus?

Can I have some quotes

Nope. Not yet.

Right now, you just feel town. I don't think you'd approach me this way if you were scum.

You mean overly friendly? That's offensive

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Sonia has big ass balls when shes town btw

? You mean Stubborn orrr

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@Sonia I can understand intent to ignore punctuation but your post lacks content

What do you mean?
The post is addressing all the issues thrown at me in Tywins post

You expect me to follow through that gibberish?

Don't expect you to do anything.

Which is why post lacks content.

This doesn't make sense. Are you saying because I'm not demanding you to read my wall that it doesn't have context?

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Sonia has big ass balls when shes town btw

? You mean Stubborn orrr

You arent afraid to fight and to be assertive

This is true.
Pedit: i don't really have a scum meta.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Why do you tr me Titus?

Can I have some quotes

Nope. Not yet.

Right now, you just feel town. I don't think you'd approach me this way if you were scum.

You mean overly friendly? That's offensive

True, but scum tend to want me to fumble my words or start drama fights.

I think if I was scum and you were town I'd most likely avoid you.
but that's just useless theory/wifom.
Seems like a weak reason to tr me though.

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Who tf is aj?

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Sonia has big ass balls when shes town btw

? You mean Stubborn orrr

You arent afraid to fight and to be assertive

This is true.
Pedit: i don't really have a scum meta.

Everyone does girl, but i agree that your town play is doesnt tends to be an average kind of play compared to your scumplay, not sure if you understand what im saying

I get what you're saying and sure I have some type of meta as scum but if you try to rely on it you'd be more wrong then you would be right.

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Titus its because you dont know the extensive shared game experience we have, i also tr her for tone, shes a goddam pussy when shes scum btw

This is false stop giving them false ideas.

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Only thing stopping me from voting alt is a lot of people already seem to sr her so I'm a bit ehhhhh
normally the top wagons at the start of D1 aren't on scum.

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Also titus, from mafiascum experience, do i have the right to ask your read about my encryptors posts or should i just avoid it?

the only thing you really don't have a right too is talking about on going games but I've told you that before

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Only thing stopping me from voting alt is a lot of people already seem to sr her so I'm a bit ehhhhh

normally the top wagons at the start of D1 aren't on scum.

Ure better than that

From my data it's true though.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

then maybe you should lead more d1 when ure town

I'm the worst townlead ever when I tried I didn't wagon my sr and just sheeped (even though we'd have won)

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This doesn't make sense. Are you saying because I'm not demanding you to read my wall that it doesn't have conte

x

nt?

If you don't expect others to understand you - you are just making noise.

That's not what my msg meant at all
I'm saying I don't expect you to read my wall I'm not gonna force you to read it
I expect people who do read my wall to understand my thoughts and if there's a problem question me on it

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Titus moved to scumpool.

Lapsa, AJ, TL - easy mislynches
Alisae, Uzi, Gamma - perhaps bus on 1, others null-ish town
kicker, pine, sonia - gtfo town
nero - snowflake gtfo town because nero
mozamis - snowflake oh so legit catchup gtfo town

nostramus?

I think my fav part of this post is he put himself in easy mislynches

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Transcend is leaning scum the more he posts lol

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Obvtown Transcend?

lmfao did Titus flip scum also?

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You're not even close to obv town mr lurker with no content with so ever lol

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LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

Nice shadethrowing

Not shade throwing just facts

[xSoniaNevermindx]

"Let's vote the person with 5 posts cause that's gonna be a good idea"

Lol
VOTE: Titus

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Transcend and alt are votes I'm also fine with.

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Can't wait for the sonia is defending her partner aj lines

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Titus, can you break that down incredibly simply? Make it so obvious even my thick skull gets it? because to me it seems to be splitting hair over semantics.

Explain your reads list a bit please cause rn it looks baaad to me

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{SSBM, Lapsa, Cadb, Trans} <--- The fucks I'm not lynching
{Titus, Elbrin, Cloud}
{Nero}
{Pine} <--- A very stale read
{Nos, Everyone else } <-- Null, Neutral, can go either way
{Uzi, Tywin}
{Sonia}
{Gamma, AJ} <--- Pretty scummy

Please try and tell me why I'm scum this I gotta hear

[xSoniaNevermindx]

My mood right now be like "Fuck you all you're wrong."

zzz what to do what to do

Pedit: Titus tr on Transcend is shit obv town is going to far cause I can read him (no matter how much he says I can't) he's not doing anything he's null as hell the Aj wagon is shit
I want Titus to say why Transcend is obv town
I want Alt w/e her name is dead

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm having srs self doubt problems mostly cause I disagree with a lot of the public eye so I may have to step back and breathe and see if I'm just wrong here but I don't feel like I am......ugh

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Who said I'm townreading Aj?

I kinda am now cause this wagon that came out of no where is fking stupid and he should be nul to everyone imo

Transcend is lurking and not doing shit and is also null you calling him obv town screams buddy

[xSoniaNevermindx]

My mood right now be like "Fuck you all you're wrong."

zzz what to do what to do

Pedit: Titus tr on Transcend is shit obv town is going to far cause I can read him (no matter how much he says I can't) he's not doing anything he's null as hell the Aj wagon is shit
I want Titus to say why Transcend is obv town
I want Alt w/e her name is dead

....yaknow, I don't hate your words, I just don't agree.

Fair.

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Hello Titus.

VOTE: Elbrin

Regardless of time of game, if you're going to be serious and call someone town, have a reason.

Yeah Transcend nice try grudge matching.

This guy had 5 posts when the wagon started and these are the only 2 posts that aren't rvs or useless
even if you thought this was super fucking scummy there are better wagons that get more info regardless of the outcome
These posts aren't scummy to me at all

Transcend is trying to build a wagon on a null read by just saying "vote ___" you think spamming the thread with "vote ___" is doing something?

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Sonia, why are you overeacting to this wagon? Like, you're I think you're overeacting to the wagon for reasons that I just don't agree with.

From my view point town is getting banwagoned and I'm trying to point out flaws
If you think that's overracting then boy were gonna have a long game

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Lapsa confirmed jester

I'd say this post is highly relevant as well, given Lapsa was taking heat (rightfully so) for his push on Cabd.

I do not lynch for "information" unless forced to do so.

We have three posts. 1 defending scum. 1 trying to start drama with Transcend. 1 opportunistic vote on Elbrin trying to get Elbrin to hang himself that just happens to counter Lapsa.

And yes, I do think Transcend is doing his own thing.

Still don't see how it's relevant it seems like a joke post if anything

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Alt w/e her name is keeps getting worse and worse like the first few I was tring but now it's like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Gamma seems like low hanging fruit tbh

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Even if I have zero proof to prove it

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VOTE: Alisae

gonna ignore my comment about most d1 wagons prob not being scum and just go for it!

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VOTE: Alisae

gonna ignore my comment about most d1 wagons prob not being scum and just go for it!

wow is that you townleading or what

If it gets her lynched sure

She can either admit she was being stupid about thinking I was overreacting to a scum driven wagon or eat rope

your choice of course dear <3

[xSoniaNevermindx]

This is gonna be another one of these games where I post logic and it gets ignored isn't it?
Yeah feels like it

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AJ I'm satisfied with you for now. I sympathize with you on the fast pase issue, they can be a bitch to deal with if you aren't around to keep up with. And the way I see it, if you can structure you're arguement, you can make a short post about it.
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And Sonia, I see you. Let's start with this, why don't you like the fact I said you were overeacting?

Because I don't think I was

If you thought a wagon was on town driven by a few scummy people what would you do?
Do you think that's really an overreaction
the reason I dislike it is because it feels like you're just trying to add a reason to sr me when I don't see the overreaction at all if others say it's also an overreaction I'd have to shut up cause I'd be wrong

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I don't tr Aj actually I just dislike the wagon that is being made against him so I guess sure I Ttr him based off that but nothing of his posts make me tr him
I am frustrated but not about the wagon I'm mostly upset rn cause to me it's like "this seems really clear or I'm a fucking moron" and I'm trying to figure what it is rn

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i think sonia didnt like the wagon more than the posts, she most likely read the game state and had a gut read that the wagon was on town @alisea

you fucking sniper.

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I don't tr Aj actually I just dislike the wagon that is being made against him so I guess sure I Ttr him based off that but nothing of his posts make me tr him
I am frustrated but not about the wagon I'm mostly upset rn cause to me it's like "this seems really clear or I'm a fucking moron" and I'm trying to figure what it is rn

The best thing to do then is to throw a vote on and watch the other reads you're more sure of. Then reasses.

I don't think I understand this

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Oh okay. Yeah to me it seemed like you were just attacking the people who started the wagon in AJ's defence.

I like to chainsaw defense a lot. poking logic I find faulty is just my style.

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I also do this sonia, hence why i understood 100% ur read

Stop buddying me you moron

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I don't tr Aj actually I just dislike the wagon that is being made against him so I guess sure I Ttr him based off that but nothing of his posts make me tr him
I am frustrated but not about the wagon I'm mostly upset rn cause to me it's like "this seems really clear or I'm a fucking moron" and I'm trying to figure what it is rn

The best thing to do then is to throw a vote on and watch the other reads you're more sure of. Then reasses.

I don't think I understand this

If your townreads agree on a wagon, but you cannot see a reason good or bad, voting the wagon generates reactions. You can use those reactions to determine the likelihood of a wagon sticking.

But I sr the wagon not tr

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Lean town.

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^stop with the excuses ty this is the same reason tywin was scummy af

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o shit that was @Cabd

[xSoniaNevermindx]

^stop with the excuses ty this is the same reason tywin was scummy af

Is he still scummy to you?

*rubs temples*
I said this before.
That was one of the only posts of Tywin I disliked infact I'd say he's town over scum rn.

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Do tell about metal Sonic?

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@Titus Enough. You had somethign you wanted to bring up?
@Sonia He was a player who had a very unique playstyle that played with me quite a few times. You could almost always tell if it was him posting in his hydrae and alts.

Sounds cool wonder why he was banned.

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Sonia votes yet speaks freely.

I feel like this has deeper meaning then what I understand

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I'll be back later tonight or tomorrow I'm no good rn cause I'm going into hyper what if mode rn cya

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Don't see alilase just blatantly defending Titus out of the blue as scum when Nero came in to tbh

UNVOTE:

Gonna have to do some thinking on where I want my vote

Also Tywin I saw you online don't you fucking dare ignore my wall post responding to you.

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Can scum nk me because I feel so clueless in this game....Wait that's prob counterproductive

I know all the scum and the 3rd party so don't nk me.

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VOTE: Tywin

So 1 of 2 things happened

Either
A) Tywin saw my wall post thought it was towny and ignored giving me an answer when I asked him not once but twice
or
B) I somehow towntold after he made a giant case on me from being number 2 scum with Titus to "Pro Town"

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I'm asking you to answer my post as you made a giant case on me and I went from sr number 2 to pro town
that's the annoying part
UNVOTE:

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3. Sonia pops up out of nowhere, sheep's Titus by calling me scum, and her reason is also sheeped by giving her reason as my 'it's only fair' statement. Zero originality there. That's some blatant sheeping going on.



Sonia: why haven't you asked me any questions? Also, why did you sheep Titus exactly to the T? Do you have no original thought? I find that sheep on atrocious reasonings are almost always scum. What do you think? Also, when ssbm_Kyouko pointed out your blatant buddying with Titus in post #400, you came back in #407 calling him 'not town' for no reason. It was another OMGUS shade throw with zero follow through. You haven't followed any lead or anything you claim to be scummy with any actual questions whatsoever. Also, you claim my post #303 is 'scummy as fuck.' Please explain what in it is scummy. You said it was overly defensive and manipulative. What was I defensive about? Who was I defending against? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I joined in with Elibirn to get Uzi to answer why he thought Elibirn was scum. He never gave a good reason, but regardless, what was there for me to be defensive about? I wasn't being attacked, so why call it defensive? Also, how was it manipulative in a scummy way? Do you know what 'scummy' even is, or only when you're town and not using contrived reasoning to throw shade on players? Why are you chainsaw defending Uzi here? You AND Titus both highly dislike Uzi being questioned. Both of you have attacked me now over me forcing Uzi to answer a basic question. Neither of you seem to have any real questions for me though. Now THAT is 'scummy as fuck' (to quote your own words).

Okay you're clearly not reading the thread what so ever you need a bit more coffee I came back in the day having to catch up I saw your post that I disliked (get to that in a moment) and I called you out on it also I said your post was scummy but the thing you forgot to address was I said I liked your other posts that's why I didn't vote you because that was the only post I had a bit of trouble with I wasn't sheeping Titus I didn't even see her call you scum I don't even know what post ssbn called me out on the post in question you were defending yourself it was over defensive on your actions like "don't look at me it isn't my fault on this!" I don't ever omgus unless it's for a joke purpose "how does it make sense" you ask because it makes sense what type of question is that Also I'm not defending Uzi I don't have a read on him what I AM doing is calling out your shitty reasoning in that post I know what scumhunting and being scummy is smart one I don't have a question for you because there's nothing to be asked would you like some RQS? I saw a post I disliked and I commented it you clearly don't even know what sheeping is just because 2 players dislike a post doesn't make it sheeping buddy

it's a bit of a mess cause I just typed my thoughts out.
I do think Tywin is obv town btw

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I do think Tywin is obv town btw

And so you voted him because..?

I thought it'd grab his attention to get the answers I wanted.

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^

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-long rant without punctuation-

Unreadable fyi, so if this is important, know I didn't read it.

mhm it was more me pissy answering it all in 1 giant rant post without thinking

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3. Sonia pops up out of nowhere, sheep's Titus by calling me scum, and her reason is also sheeped by giving her reason as my 'it's only fair' statement. Zero originality there. That's some blatant sheeping going on.



Sonia: why haven't you asked me any questions? Also, why did you sheep Titus exactly to the T? Do you have no original thought? I find that sheep on atrocious reasonings are almost always scum. What do you think? Also, when ssbm_Kyouko pointed out your blatant buddying with Titus in post #400, you came back in #407 calling him 'not town' for no reason. It was another OMGUS shade throw with zero follow through. You haven't followed any lead or anything you claim to be scummy with any actual questions whatsoever. Also, you claim my post #303 is 'scummy as fuck.' Please explain what in it is scummy. You said it was overly defensive and manipulative. What was I defensive about? Who was I defending against? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I joined in with Elibirn to get Uzi to answer why he thought Elibirn was scum. He never gave a good reason, but regardless, what was there for me to be defensive about? I wasn't being attacked, so why call it defensive? Also, how was it manipulative in a scummy way? Do you know what 'scummy' even is, or only when you're town and not using contrived reasoning to throw shade on players? Why are you chainsaw defending Uzi here? You AND Titus both highly dislike Uzi being questioned. Both of you have attacked me now over me forcing Uzi to answer a basic question. Neither of you seem to have any real questions for me though. Now THAT is 'scummy as fuck' (to quote your own words).

Okay you're clearly not reading the thread what so ever you need a bit more coffee.
I came back in the day having to catch up I saw your post that I disliked (get to that in a moment) and I called you out on it, Also I said your post was scummy but the thing you forgot to address was I said I liked your other posts that's why I didn't vote you because that was the only post I had a bit of trouble with.
I wasn't sheeping Titus I didn't even see her call you scum I don't even know what post ssbn called me out on,
The post in question you were defending yourself it was over defensive on your actions like "don't look at me it isn't my fault on this!"
I don't ever omgus unless it's for a joke purpose "how does it make sense" you ask because it makes sense what type of question is that? Also I'm not defending Uzi I don't have a read on him what I AM doing is calling out your shitty reasoning in that post. I know what scumhunting and being scummy is smart one I don't have a question for you because there's nothing to be asked would you like some RQS? I saw a post I disliked and I commented it you clearly don't even know what sheeping is just because 2 players dislike a post doesn't make it sheeping buddy

redone.

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3. Sonia pops up out of nowhere, sheep's Titus by calling me scum, and her reason is also sheeped by giving her reason as my 'it's only fair' statement. Zero originality there. That's some blatant sheeping going on.



Sonia: why haven't you asked me any questions? Also, why did you sheep Titus exactly to the T? Do you have no original thought? I find that sheep on atrocious reasonings are almost always scum. What do you think? Also, when ssbm_Kyouko pointed out your blatant buddying with Titus in post #400, you came back in #407 calling him 'not town' for no reason. It was another OMGUS shade throw with zero follow through. You haven't followed any lead or anything you claim to be scummy with any actual questions whatsoever. Also, you claim my post #303 is 'scummy as fuck.' Please explain what in it is scummy. You said it was overly defensive and manipulative. What was I defensive about? Who was I defending against? How does that make any sense whatsoever? I joined in with Elibirn to get Uzi to answer why he thought Elibirn was scum. He never gave a good reason, but regardless, what was there for me to be defensive about? I wasn't being attacked, so why call it defensive? Also, how was it manipulative in a scummy way? Do you know what 'scummy' even is, or only when you're town and not using contrived reasoning to throw shade on players? Why are you chainsaw defending Uzi here? You AND Titus both highly dislike Uzi being questioned. Both of you have attacked me now over me forcing Uzi to answer a basic question. Neither of you seem to have any real questions for me though. Now THAT is 'scummy as fuck' (to quote your own words).

Okay you're clearly not reading the thread what so ever you need a bit more coffee I came back in the day having to catch up I saw your post that I disliked (get to that in a moment) and I called you out on it also I said your post was scummy but the thing you forgot to address was I said I liked your other posts that's why I didn't vote you because that was the only post I had a bit of trouble with I wasn't sheeping Titus I didn't even see her call you scum I don't even know what post ssbn called me out on the post in question you were defending yourself it was over defensive on your actions like "don't look at me it isn't my fault on this!" I don't ever omgus unless it's for a joke purpose "how does it make sense" you ask because it makes sense what type of question is that Also I'm not defending Uzi I don't have a read on him what I AM doing is calling out your shitty reasoning in that post I know what scumhunting and being scummy is smart one I don't have a question for you because there's nothing to be asked would you like some RQS? I saw a post I disliked and I commented it you clearly don't even know what sheeping is just because 2 players dislike a post doesn't make it sheeping buddy

it's a bit of a mess cause I just typed my thoughts out.
I do think Tywin is obv town btw

On a 10 min break RN with a couple min left, so if I don't answer all of this RN, give me time.

I saw your posts after the fact saying you basically disliked only that one post, but in the context of the time frame, I don't believe you said those things previous to my post above. Due to that, I thought you were just sheeping a bad read from Titus. While I still don't agree that my original post was scummy, I understand that you/others might have so I'll just grant the point. Idk what to say beyond that though, because I really don't agree with it being scummy in the first place. It seems like a grasp at straws in my biased opinion.

Look at it through the lens of my perspective, knowing I'm town, and what would you say there? If I grasped onto a post that you found nothing wrong with and called it scummy, what would your response be? Add to that and say I agreed with a player you thought was scum. In the context of that, prior to your follow up posts, would you possibly have insinuated there may be a connection? I've since moved you to a TR, but at the time, I saw it as sheeping already bad reasoning. Granted, I still don't see that posts as scummy, so the reasoning behind it made me assume there was something more there than there may have been. Make sense?

I think I understand as much as I'm gonna yeah that makes sense to me thank you

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Idk if you answered this Titus but I'll ask again

Why does it have to just not be a misunderstanding over lies.

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Going too the moon would be fun though!

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

Just how am I being unreasonable? Removing a known liar who does not admit it is the height of reason.

Do you really think Tywin is scum after all these out bursts he's doing?
This screams frustrated town and you just trying to play it off is just...zzz You're not a stubborn person Titus you're quite smart scary even you should know when this is real or fake.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Are you still bitter that my meta on you always works that you want to lynch me in any game?
My day start that you called a scum slip was banter between me and cloud because we know each other

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Emotions are a part of this game it's easy to be upset as scum yes it's also easy to fake it
Tywins play seems like "well fuck this I'm just a fucking towny" he was also towny before the outburst it's not like I'm just starting to tr him.

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VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Are you still bitter that my meta on you always works that you want to lynch me in any game?
My day start that you called a scum slip was banter between me and cloud because we know each other

That's not banter when you say your scumread can't read you.

I don't sr cloud
he can't read me as well as he says he can also I don't know how me talking like was like knowing Cloud was town I'd not be stupid enough to even do that please I'm a great scum player.

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Not everyone remembers everything in the thread just because events can be remembered differently doesn't make it scum more so as a misunderstanding

Can you quote what he thinks is you personally attacking him.

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I also don't see Tywin playing the way he is as scum

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Gamma annoys me and I want to bias lynch him. Can get behind that wagon
I don't see it as omgus more just as dislike that he thinks I'd slip as scum and he hasn't done anything.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Tldr of gamma's iso: Shade throwing with shallow comments.

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Well that's because I'M NOT CAUGHT UP, MEANING I CAN'T ANALYZE JACK SHIT!

My catchup starts after this post and goes on until my bracketed reads

*sing song voice* all I hear is excusessss

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Why don't instead of asking you grow a pair of balls and try and wagon me yourself gamma
see how far it goes.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Gamma

1v1

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Gamma

1v1

Good enough for me. I'm amazing at finding scum d1, remember how I caught on to ira in Mini 1832? Nero in Death Note?

Lmfao you "found" ira and never pushed it. Everyone found Nero in deathnote wasn't hard
Please stop acting like you're good Gamma it doesn't work with you

[xSoniaNevermindx]

UNVOTE:
Yawn you're prob town sadly.
Because you're not obv scum like dance mafia
Who to vote maybe Titus again

[xSoniaNevermindx]

^ town

[xSoniaNevermindx]

^ town

Hiw charitable are you? Every single scumread on his list is hard town on mine, although I have not reviewed Alisae's case?

Read's shouldn't play a factor in your read
It should be the intent behind said read and if it seems genuine or not a lot of our reads are swapped and you tr me to some extent

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Also tywin is obvious town and ill seriously reconsider anyone truthfully hardpushing that lynch, miring at you ssbm. Titus get a passe because shes the one who got antagonized

Joey gets it

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Gamma's just mad I can always tell when he's scum.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Gamma's just mad I can always tell when he's scum.

You don't have that honor. I'm also not telling who does.

I haven't got you wrong yet so I kinda do

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Okay miss "I'm going to hammer my townread because my BFF is frothing at the mouth so hard I think they have a guilty on that person".

I called you town! I wasn't wrong

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Then you should have made Gerry explain instead of lolhammering.

Where's the fun in that :3

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Where's the playing to wincon in lolhammering like that

It wasn't an lol hammer!
Our pr was screaming LYNCH LYNCH
how am I suppose to say no

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I could gett behind a lap or alt wagon prob lap over alt

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Get to this later

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Nos
Baaaaa

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Nos
Baaaaa

The most suspicious vote on the wagon to be honest.

Cause I'm not reading and just sheeping a tr.

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go on sus me all you want getting me lynched would be pretty hard.

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lol oh shit vig claims

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Nah, I was fakehammering for reaction test purposes.

And Tywin was on Titus, not Lapsa.

Shows how much attention I've been paying.

At least you didn't skip 10 pages like me

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Cloud tried to pocket me.
Suck it

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I kid you not I didn't even know lap was close to being lynched but that's okay!

VOTE: Nos

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Cloud tried to pocket me.
Suck it

So you're claiming Vig that shot Cloud?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sure?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Cloud was tr by a lot of people it's not out of question Cloud was the scumkill

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oh ffs Titus I was joking -_-

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What is this responding to? It's not a Traitor crumb for your scumteam is it?

It is a traitor crumb for my scumteam.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[xSoniaNevermindx]

*nuzzles Titus*
huggles!

[xSoniaNevermindx]

AW MY TR IS PR
Boring.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

actually with cloud flipping scum this seems like a really good vote and I'm prob just wrong.
VOTE: Tywin

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Eh but I thought Tywin was pretty obv town can't tell if cloud was defending partner or not.
maybe moz?
EHHHHHHHHHHH

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actually with cloud flipping scum this seems like a really good vote and I'm prob just wrong.
VOTE: Tywin

Why?

I had Cloud as a lock townread and Lapsa as highly likely scum yesterday. Why would you sheep my Twyn read today?

Who said I'm sheeping you.

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What's your read on me altsae

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Can't wait to see what Nero says about clear Titus

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Sonia, what's your read on me?

Town.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Pine Who?
Nero Cain Null
Transcend Syryana Scummy
Nosferatu Scummy
Gamma Emerald Scummy
Aj The Epic townish
mozamis null
xSoniaNevermindx scum
ssbm_Kyouko towny
Alisae town
Elbirn Townish
Cabd clear
Titus clear

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I am really starting to think Sonia is scum at this point. There was no real reason for scum to shoot at cloud except their friendship connection. Why not shoot one of the stronger TRs like Cabd or something? Why not shoot me or Titus and put WIFOM shade on the other? Why not shoot anyone that looks like a PR? Why cloud? It's funny that he's the traitor, but scum shooting cloud means they did it for personal reasons over in-game ones. That points directly to Sonia IMO.

WHAT?!?!!?!?
IF ANYONE HERE WOULDN'T SHOOT CLOUD IT'S ME LOL
WERE GOOD FRIENDS AND IF I WAS SCUM I WOULD'VE KEPT HIM ALIVE FOR SO LONG

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Did this guy nk cloud just so he can try and frame my ass

[xSoniaNevermindx]

WERE GOOD FRIENDS AND IF I WAS SCUM I WOULD'VE KEPT HIM ALIVE FOR SO LONG

I can WIFOM this all fucking day.

OH PLEASE You can call it wifom but there's 0 reason I kill Cloud as scum and anyone with common sense knows this

Sonia, why did you scumread yourself?
Lmao

Trust no one not even yourself.

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Cloud was rubbing up on me harder then a hooker on a fucking pole did you read that buddy shit?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Cloud was rubbing up on me harder then a hooker on a fucking pole did you read that buddy shit?

Ignores deliberately until Syr arrives

I'd vig Gamma or syr what do you think Titus

[xSoniaNevermindx]

First Titus ignores my hugs
Now she just gives me silence
okay I can't take it anymore alisae shoot me in the face
Pedit: E X A C T L Y

[xSoniaNevermindx]

First Titus ignores my hugs
Now she just gives me silence
okay I can't take it anymore alisae shoot me in the face
Pedit: E X A C T L Y

Have you ever tried handholding?

Hand holding is more special then hugs
I would hold hands with only 3 people on this site (and no I won't say)
Anyway I think since cloud was the scum nk a lot of scum did hard tr cloud for thinking he's town and not a traitor *points to iso*
Pedit: B-but I-I... ;~:

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People who shout wifom are people who can't expect logical facts
There's no way the Cloud scum kill points to me you're saying it's personal when people just townread cloud and he could be the nk for that
THAT'S THE SIMPLE FUCKING ANSWER
What you're suggesting is I'm basically going "omg guys I know cloud and he's rly good let's get'em!"

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Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

Doesn't this post suggest lynch Kyouko?

To me it really does.

To me it also suggest a lynch on Sonia. It's makes absolutely no sense for her to shoot cloud that it makes sense.
Not to mention if Cloud was trying to buddy her, he could be trying to indicate to Sonia to pick him up on the scumteam.
Tho that part on Sonia probably needs more work.
VOTE: Kyouko

OH MY GOD IS EVERYONE A MORON EWTE4YTE4SYE4S4ESES45Y
ME NIGHT KILLING CLOUD JUST SO I COULD SAY WHY WOULD I NK CLOUD IS SO STUPID FOR ME TO DO THIS EARLY ON SWEET JESUS

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"Sonia nking cloud doesn't make sense so much that it makes sense hahahaa"
S H O O T M E I N T H E H E A D
Cloud buddied my ass cause he knows I'm really easy to buddy.
Simple

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm still waiting for the jk post I swear

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People who shout wifom are people who can't expect logical facts
There's no way the Cloud scum kill points to me you're saying it's personal when people just townread cloud and he could be the nk for that
THAT'S THE SIMPLE FUCKING ANSWER
What you're suggesting is I'm basically going "omg guys I know cloud and he's rly good let's get'em!"

So your answer is 'cloud was NK'd just because he was a town read' and that's it? Scum didn't even try to look for a better NK? They just chose randomly through anyone that wasn't on their team? You know better than this Sonia.

MAYBE CLOUD HAD GOOD READS?
MAYBE CLOUD WAS SOMEONE THEY WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY?
I DON'T FUCKING KMOW WHY THEY DID BUT I KNOW I WOULDN'T HAVE LET IT HAPPEN AS SCUM LOL

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Okay enough caps for me I'm gonna grab a drink I shouldn't be getting upset rn it's Christmas x)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Mango juice take me away

[xSoniaNevermindx]

"Sonia nking cloud doesn't make sense so much that it makes sense hahahaa"
S H O O T M E I N T H E H E A D
Cloud buddied my ass cause he knows I'm really easy to buddy.
Simple

So if we WIFOM the exact opposite here and say cloud buddied your ass because he was traitor and knew you were scum... You'd call us stupid and that a joke, correct? Why would you not be able to understand both perspectives?

I understand if people would think I was scum for being scum.
I would understand if Cloud was lynched and people thought we were scum buddies
I do not understand how the Cloud kill points to me what so ever when I'm the last person here who would do that

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Why are you so dead convinced on trying to convince us that you're the last person that would do that?

Because I refuse to be sr for killing a friend.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'll brb I'm getting my juice.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Okay I'm calmed down a little bit.
Let me try again.
You think I'm scum because I'm the only one where the cloud nk makes sense when I don't think NKA makes much sense
he could've been a pr kill
he could've been random
he could've been because he was tr by a lot of people
there's a lot of reasons

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Sonia, I think the buddying is more in-line with the SR than the NK itself. The NK is just icing, but not the real substance of it. The NK is all WIFOM, so you claiming you'd never do it to a buddy can also be supported by scum thinking 'I'll NK cloud and nobody will suspect me since I'd never NK a buddy' kind of deal. It's all WIFOM either way.

The buddying was prob because Cloud knows if you can get past my paranoia I am really fucking easy to buddy

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Tywin let's assume I'm scum yeah
Cloud has the biggest tr on me ever that's clear
Why do I kill him over others like the vig claim etc

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Hard question to answer because we mostly can read each other from chat games that's where we play a ton
in the forum games we played cloud read me right 1/2 and I had him 1/2
It took about 1 week irl time

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I had him as town tbh

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Anyone who says wifom can't think of a real defense

[xSoniaNevermindx]

White Knighting and Omgus also fall under this category of people who can't think of a legit sr and slap things on
butjust those 3

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Anyone who says wifom can't think of a real defense

Tywin let's assume I'm scum yeah
Cloud has the biggest tr on me ever that's clear
Why do I kill him over others like the vig claim etc

Maybe I didn't really make myself clear but I was criticizing you saying wifom and not the others saying that you were doing wifom.

I was trying to ask him a question cause I wanted to hear his answer is

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omg does that mean I'm one of your top tr's Titus? ;-;

[xSoniaNevermindx]

omg does that mean I'm one of your top tr's Titus? ;-;

Nope. It just means by how the situation is playing out I don't want to lynch you for a few days.

Jee...thanks

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't crack under pressure tyvm
I didn't crack under pressure when I was scum with a cop guilty on me
I wouldn't crack under a push

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I didn't crack under pressure when I was scum with a cop guilty on me

That's not pressure. That's the "Whelp" moment.

I DON'T CRACK OKAY YOU BLOCK THING

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Can I be the cute child who gets in trouble all the time but you can't stay mad at

[xSoniaNevermindx]

oh dear

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm just a child isn't my mom suppose to cover my eyes when this happens

[xSoniaNevermindx]

This feels like deathnote mafia where someone outted 1 sr on my slot out of no where and ten it turned into a bw of "oh yeah Sonia be scum!"
zzzzz
I really don't understand the scumreads on me feels just like people trying to go for whatever they can bite.
Nero having little to no reaction at the Titus clear is ehhhhh at best
I'll re read a bit because I don't really have any scumreads I can vote and say "yeah pretty sure you'll flip scum"

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If you didn't I'm not sure why you'd CC. Like I know that you are arguing that there could be two vigs (I don't even think Sry claim was legit anyways) but if that's what you believed at the time then why CC? And if thats not what you believed at the time why wouldn't you think she is scum?

This is not "little to no reaction," Sonia. He's contesting the validity of the inno.

I was expecting much more then that the way Nero plays lol

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Age old question is would Cloud be that blatantly obv about his traitor crumb

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How does my flip give you any info what so ever I wasn't on the Lap wagon
If I flip scum okay I flip scum gj
If I flip town it's like "welp try again"
Please explain how I give info if you say the Cloud nk you're a moron

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It turned into just gamma scumreading me turning into a sudden snowball
does no one see the issue in this

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This is absolutely annoying because you all just want the simple answer to be the right one

Well guess what you wagoned lap and that didn't end well
The wagons you're suggesting won't end well either wake up

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm not at all but you can tell if you set a spark on me it'll gonna light up pretty dam fast.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

These are the notable posts I found while rereading that area. Basically these posts lead me to believe that Gamma is town for his resistance to the rest of the players calling Tywin town. In order, those players were Cloud, Cabd, Lapsa, Sonia, Me, I think. Cloud was the main force before the Tywin claim, but soon after the claim Cabd started reasoning with Tywin, then Lapsa said he would not participate in Tywin or Aj lynches today, then Sonia used a "^" symbol to say she also would not participate in those lynches. I later hesitantly said that Tywin was starting to behave townie but I'd be keeping an eye on him. Knowing Lapsa is town I'm looking at Sonia/Cabd, but the problem with that is that Titus doesn't want either of them lynched. I need to know which one you won't lynch because the other is scum, unless you've been misleading me in your answers to my questions Titus. You know which ones I'm referring to. Also looking towards Syryana for the Cloud comment about betting his macaroni that Transcend would agree with him on Tywin. Lapsa provides a genuine reason to not lynch Aj/Tywin, and I feel like sonia hops onto the town!Tywin train of thought rather quickly when the wind shifts, because she seemed pretty emotionally invested in the push on Tywin but the feeling in her posts evaporated unnaturally.

Spoiler:

btw im calling a tvst tywin titus

Really CK? T v T?

Alisea is milking it too

i also hard tr tywin

I think both of you are just too invested and should back off a bit, its easier to see interactions when youre outside tunnels and whatnot, alisea 2nd to last post was explicitiy scumtelling imo

I dont buy twin scum being this obstinated and going after you so hard d1

yo if im wrong on tywin im wrong, i want trans read on that tho, i bet my macaroni he will agree with me

VOTE: Tywin

So 1 of 2 things happened

Either
A) Tywin saw my wall post thought it was towny and ignored giving me an answer when I asked him not once but twice
or
B) I somehow towntold after he made a giant case on me from being number 2 scum with Titus to "Pro Town"

What am I at? L1 or close to it? I'm a straight up vanilla townie. To be exact, there isn't even a vanilla in there. It's just 'townie.'

To answer Sonia: there are 50+ pages on D1. You say I missed your post? Well no shit? I can't reply to 50 pages worth of garbage and hope to find one diamond in the rough. It will literally take HOURS of reading. You can forget that. I'm not gonna do it after seeing very few of you truly evaluating the game if you think I'm scum. I say it over and over again, and I will keep saying it until I'm lynched and flip town. Titus is scum. Remember that after I'm

50 pages is too much to have any say here. It's a shit show right now full of fluff and bad posts. Nobody knows a damn thing with all this useless posting. It shows that nobody is even attempting to sit and think about what's what. 50 pages means D1 is a wash. Way to go town. You'll get a mislynch on D1 and no info out of it. Titus will use that to her advantage to get anyone else who claims she is scum as the next few day's mislynches, because a lot of you seem to be sheep here. It's ridiculous, but I don't see anything changing with 50 pages of useless posting going on. It's really bad and completely demoralizing. I had almost all weekend off, and I can't keep up with this thread. Do none of you have responsibilities or jobs? There are multiple players complaining on this thread about the length and the insane amount of posts. It's not a good thing for town. Scum can and do hide in shit show threads like this.

Anyway, again, I am town. Titus is scum. Take from that what you will after I'm lynched.

I'm asking you to answer my post as you made a giant case on me and I went from sr number 2 to pro town
that's the annoying part
UNVOTE:

FWIW I'm not voting for Tywin today. He's very obviously frustrated railroaded town.

Shame on those of you that are taking him as scum. He can be town who found scum-titus or town that mistook town-titus for scum titus but the frustration and emotion is genuine town with a capital T.

Tywin, let's chat real quick. A large part of your Titus case is that the logic Titus is using is so ~wrong~ it has to come from scum, right?

FWIW I'm not voting for Tywin today. He's very obviously frustrated railroaded town.

Shame on those of you that are taking him as scum. He can be town who found scum-titus or town that mistook town-titus for scum titus but the frustration and emotion is genuine town with a capital T.

Tywin, let's chat real quick. A large part of your Titus case is that the logic Titus is using is so ~wrong~ it has to come from scum, right?

Look at how he talks about a scumread like they are town.

I won't participate in Tywin and Aj lynches today.

^

Gamma, you're scummy

for ignoring Titus and focusing your entire attention on townies.

I do have to admit, the gladiate, if real, neuters my vca too...

This is horrible. VCA still works with gladiation.

No. It really doesn't. I have been reading through here and every post here is theory and a good chunk is wrong. VCA centers on the choices made. Gladiation artificially removes choices from the game, limiting data points.

Since I am making a post educating you, here's what you need for a good VCA

1) Every vote count colored, without bias of town by play
2) A scum flip not caused by a guilty/gladiator
3) 3 days of data to work with
4) A good understanding of optimal town and scum play
5) The ability to filter a VI.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I will get back to reading. If I only see more bad theory spec that makes me rip my hair out, I will be annoyed.

Jesus Christ, pot meet kettle.

Titus is the player that called 4 players the scum team and conf biases everything over her bad theory in hopes of proving it right somehow. It's the definition of a bad theory,

yet she has the nerve to call out Gamma

? Wow. Misplaced fucking ego that is.

Does this look logical to anyone? It looks fake as shit to me. It feels like he knows I'm town in the second post.

Cabs acknowledge my point.

btw i told yall tywin was town

Why does the later have to be the only possibility? You can't call somebody out for doing something illogical unless you ALSO think they're town?

And it's also just as possible he thinks it's a binary state that has: one of {gamma, titus} is scum? As in "both could be scum but they are most likely not scum together"

By no means am I ruling out your line of questioning as a possibility. I just don't see it as the cardinal sin you seem to think it is.

There's also his blatantly false accusation of Titus not asking him questions.

mm, that said

UNVOTE:

Jesus christ this thread did not need 15 more pages overnight, what were you people doing at 3am? I for one sleep.

it annoys me to no end that I have posted, multiple times, why I think Titus is scum and both Ali and Elbrin are acting like it never happened.

Nero your case on titus is that she was the 3rd person to vote on a wagon. You were about to vote gamma instead until you realized it was titus. Which is just....I can't fuck with that. There's no sense there.

"But she also ignored me!"

Yes, yes she did.

I also don't like that there doesn't seem to be any signs of scum hunting or attempts to do so in his ISO.

Ah, that old "he hasn't done anything disregard everything he's said" line. Classic meme bro

The "this guy is doing nothing" logic pisses me off.

Is this directed towards me or uzi?
Because in my view, it's a pretty scum move to, instead of doing any substantial analysis of a player, throw your hands up and say "they haven't done anything. I am throwing shit on their play as a whole. It's literally all bad."

Uzi/Elibirn: I dont like the gladiator claim, but apparently fake claims in mafiascum meta is okay. Elibirn doubled down on it when others took it as a joke, but it's largely null. I do think fake claims are scummy and idk why it's okay in mafiascum, but it is what it is. Uzi/Elibirn could be TvT, but I think one of them are scum. Idk which one, but Titus has weak associations with either one. Her entire scum claim on me was my 'it's only fair' post asking for Uzi to give his reasoning on voting Elibirn. Then again, Elibirn could be scum and Uzi town. Neither are a good lynch today, so this whole point is moot.

Your position here is really bleh. It's flipfloppy as you don't commit to a stance on either of us, saying "it could be TvT, but I think one could be scum, but gee it could be either". It's a lot of words that don't add up to any meaningful analysis and set you up to lynch either of us later. It's weak sauce and it makes me sadface.

It's even more bleh because I think you're town and my original point in talking about this was thus made void when 10 pages of reading later I decided you were town. But this is scummy, m8, don't do this.

I think only Elbin and Alisae and Titus herself think she's the town leader

Me thinking titus is town =/= me thinking titus is town leader

Clearly I am the town president and all other town and all other town are members of my administration

Really? Why are you constantly asking asinine questions?

Okay, here's an example for you:

Titus is scum buddies with Alisae. Without day talk, Alisae is extreme newbscum and doesn't know to not buddy her scum team in-thread. She thinks that's how to play, but obviously Titus can't go and say 'hey Alisae, calm down there buddy, you'll get us both caught!' Without day talk, newbscum Alisae does what she does.

With day talk, the experienced scum would calm her the fuck down and try to minimize her mistakes.

Now that you have the knowledge that day talk is in this game, don't you think that alisae would be more cautious to buddy titus if they were both scum? That titus would use the day talk to say "hey don't do that"

Yet Titus' case on me is good? She said my post asking for Uzi to answer Elibrin's question and saying 'it's only fair' was the scum tell of the century. Really? Now that is fucking terrible, but a lot of you latched onto that as if it was legitimate. Do you even know what my case is? Why defend Titus without looking at what she's done? You're ISOing me a lot apparently, but ignoring others. Why?

*raises hand* hi yes me again tywin, I never bought into that as a scum tell and idk if anyone else did pls calm down

btw im calling a tvst tywin titus

T v S?

t vs t*

Cloud gets things, good for cloud

So, what is your read on me Alisae?

If Tywin flips scum, town. If Tywin flips town, scum.

And Tywin just said he would self-hammer himself. I KNOW Tywin is the kind of person to claim at L-1 instead of self-hammer if he was town. Becuase he knows that is a townie thing to do. He's not trying to prove to us that he's town, he's trying to prove that Titus is scum. And I'm fucking taking his bluff.

Dichotomies are scummy as fuck

About tywin wagon, some of his line looks like genuine frustrated town, even the self comment didnt comme off as forced to me, i once said and did that as town not so long ago with great success, i also was correct about my deathtunnel

More cloud being right

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alisae

Choo Choo everyone!

Unofficial VC

Titus 3 (Nero Cain, Tywin Lannister, mozamis)
Alisae 2 (Aj The Epic, Elbirn)
Aj The Epic 1 (Transcend)
Lapsa 1 (Pine)
Tywin 4 (Titus, Gamma, Alisae, ssbm_Kyouko)
CloudKicker 1 (Nosferatus)

Not Voting 5 (Lapsa, Cabd, xSoniaNevermindx, Lil Uzi Vert, CloudKicker)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Did this on my phone but I think it's accurate

Lapsa, you want to talk about anyone but Tywin (not Tywin out of respect for Cabd)?

Townread Tywin around spaghetti.

What else assumptions have you made?

Sub out.

Sorry to do this, but the game exploded with lots of long posts and I'm kinda busy with life. Apologies.

Alisae and Kyouko need to be revisited. That should be the next course of action. So far, I've been happy with how this day is progressing, so I think bouncing onward for now is worth while. Both Kyouko and Alisae have been suspect in the last few pages for various reasons and out of the list of people available to be looked into, these two make the most sense for scum.

So far, I've been happy with how this day is progressing

?

On day 1, being able to quickly cycle through not only the baseline of suspicious people, but the people who have made votes that were suspicious, is a great plus. My general theory of the game is that town can never be more powerful than D2/N3/D3 so getting this much positive information day 1 to have actually formed a town core that we can be reasonably confident in is a win in and of itself.

Okay: Titus; assuming for a second tywin is town; does your pick for the "other" parts of the scumteam change? Who is your top suspect going into day two if tywin is lynched flips VT and I get shot overnight?

Tywin; who is your highest non-titus pick for scum right now?

Lapsa is probably still scum.

Alisae I have a desperate to survive read on and I would compromise there, but I would be gambling.

Move towards investigating/voting there then. I will personally burn all of my townie brownies to derail a lynch on tywin today if you try. We can revisit tomorrow (or later today if those paths prove not that great) if things change but as of right now I see nothing but a death tunnel and your arguments so far have not convinced me. You can either grind up against me and maybe get it pushed through or work with me and make this thread less toxic. Your call.

Ok, Captain Planet is here to clean up this toxic thread. I will shut up about Titus, and do my best to ignore further... Whatever. Cabd gets my TLeader nomination for even trying to mediate it. Scum would be more than happy to let this fester, especially if it's TvT (which neither Titus or I think it is).

Still at work, but will give updated reads when I get a chance to really catch up again. I have about 15 pages to read it looks like, and I skimmed most of the previous 30 as well. Even if Titus is scum, she's not the only one, so it's a pointless venture to keep it going until one of us (probably me) gets lynched. Town will be no closer to finding the other scum, and so I think even keeping this 1v1 with Titus up would be anti-town on my part. I'll drop it.

Cabd, there's a wagon on Twyin for a reason. If I was alone in scumreading Tywin, I would do as you ask. You do not need to babysit me. You need to realize that may I am right. You need to realize that players like Tywin, that if town, need to read the game. We cannot have players like Tywin who ask twice, after mod confirmation, if scum have daychat. That type of player is not engaged in intelligent thought but posts garbage that makes the game impossible, regardless of his alignment. All Tywin has done is attack obvious town. If no one agreed with me, your call would have more use. It doesn't.

If the group decides to spare Tywin, I will unvote him. Not before. We have a pretty solid fucking townblock, so we can remove players like Tywin.

We still don't NEED to go for his removal. The thing is, we also aren't required to listen to him until her decides to post something that isn't him calling out non-existent attacks.

There ARE, as I said, other things to get done. Aka Kyouko and Alisae.

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Why? Just because someone doesn't like me is not grounds for lynching.

Gamma annoys me and I want to bias lynch him. Can get behind that wagon
I don't see it as omgus more just as dislike that he thinks I'd slip as scum and he hasn't done anything.

Tldr of gamma's iso: Shade throwing with shallow comments.

AHAHA YOU'RE SCUM.
Read my catchup.

Well that's because I'M NOT CAUGHT UP, MEANING I CAN'T ANALYZE JACK SHIT!

My catchup starts after this post and goes on until my bracketed reads

*sing song voice* all I hear is excusessss

Can we lynch obvscum Sonia?

also, can you be a dear SSMB and walk me through your reasoning for dropping your scum read on Titus and then town reading her?

We've already had this conversation and like I said if you missed it I can't point it out for you, not yet at least. Also want to say if you're caught up like you say you are you should have seen that I didn't SR Titus for being on the lapsa wagon, I had a heightened suspicion of her and the rest of those players. Being on that wagon shifted them into my null scum pile. I treat null scum, scumleans, and scumreads as different things. Not sure if you do though so maybe that's why you're saying I was SRing her

I am caught up save for whats been posted today

I'm cheering because you're a hypocrite. And I have a TR on both Titus and AJ fyi
I do love all these idiots shouting "town v town!" though.

Nvm, maybe you didn't TR me. I saw this originally and didn't see the AJ part. I thought you said 'I have a town read on both of you.' Guess you caught me in another lie /s

You TR Titus and AJ I guess. Looks odd to me. I SR them both. You included. Funny. Who are the idiots you mentioned claiming TvT?

And I'll repeat my question: if I get lynched and flip town, will your reads change?

This is a townie way to handle being caught misunderstanding a post, you admit to it and look back to clarify what really happened and go from there.

Also the links in that post work from desktop, I think it's your phone having a problem

Also woops i forgot i did quote, im sad transcend boi is subbing out, i really wanted to play with him and sonia, one of the reason why i joined the game, lapsa also said he wouldnt be part of tywin lynch but eventally did vote them, also aj you are right its not AI per se, but you have to read in to nd tywin's imo was genuine, much more than titus's iso she has posted as proof

VOTE: lapsa

VOTE: Sonia
Could do Syryana today considering Cloud's intro to the game and the macaroni comment. Imo people tend to crumb in their very early posts if they're going to crumb because they think that's where it will blend in the best, with the rest of the "unusual" posts of RVS.

Hello sonia transcend <3

What part of CLOUD ME AND TRANSCEND KNOW EACH OTHER OFF SITE DO YOU NOT GET
DO I NEED TO LINK YOU OFF SITE GAMES TO PROVE THIS?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

This feels like deathnote mafia where someone outted 1 sr on my slot out of no where and ten it turned into a bw of "oh yeah Sonia be scum!"
zzzzz
I really don't understand the scumreads on me feels just like people trying to go for whatever they can bite.
Nero having little to no reaction at the Titus clear is ehhhhh at best
I'll re read a bit because I don't really have any scumreads I can vote and say "yeah pretty sure you'll flip scum"

JUST AS I BRING UP MY SK LEASHING SKEPTICISM
LOL

God can we not talk about the most obv sk ever winning please?
That hurts my soul

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Nero
A lot of Moz's reads match up with myown and I still think Tywin was "fuck you I give up" town regardless of Clouds defending even if the read did go down
Nero can die though.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

PS. Please add the following people onto that list as well.
Titus
My parents
All of my friends
Annie Wilkes
Flowey

so you know Undertale

Yeah. Hate all the characters in it so far but Flowey

die...

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Nero
A lot of Moz's reads match up with myown and I still think Tywin was "fuck you I give up" town regardless of Clouds defending even if the read did go down
Nero can die though.

Do what I asked.

?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

UGHHHH BUT THAT TAKES EFFORT.
What's the tldr you want me to look for.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Want help trying to find what alignment I am gamma let me help
read a scum game of mine
read a town game of mine
Or read just this game
get your answer from that
and that's my alignment

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Oh you mean when A50 was scum doc and freaked the fuck out
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Okay I see I seeeeee

I don't need your dumb towncred I'm already obv town (pls no)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

but Moz has a lot of the same reads as me.. ;-;
Although if Moz does flip scum I'll prob be vigged so

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Ever feel like you're lynch is just slowly creeping up on you and you can't do anything to stop it?
It feels gross

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Moz weren't you townreading me?
What changed so fast.

Hell what's the fucking case on me is there even one or am I just one of those people who are a throw away sr for people now *wince*

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Wth does that even MEAN
sweet jesus I am lynchbait I tell you LYNCHBAIT
^That's gonna get thrown my way wait for it