Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[TwoFace]

Do I rvs?

heads = yes
tails = no

tails

[TwoFace]

Might as well point out the Black and Void are both scary, just like Mafia...

vote BlackVoid

How do we know if you really are innocent?

[TwoFace]

Original Roll String: 1d13 (STATIC)

1 13-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

I thought using dice rolling in the thread was not allowed?

[TwoFace]

Annoying how?

[TwoFace]

You actually have better odds of not being rolled now that you've already came up once.

You actually have better odds of not being rolled now that you've already came up once.

I'm not math expert. Certainly no statistic expert but pretty sure he has the same % chance his number comes up as anyone else does.

[TwoFace]

No idea why that posted twice

[TwoFace]

hmm, do I vote cloudkicker?

sweet I got heads

vote: cloudkicker

[TwoFace]

Ohhh Sonia i didnt know youre right, hi girl . Im happy at least i know someone on the table. Sonia feel free to help me out about the difference in scumhunting in forum maf vs em. Like if i out a read on someone and im completly off based off forum scumhunt meta then just tell me, i am here to learn too <3

Why didn't you sign up for a newbie game?

[TwoFace]

Ooh a wagon.

Coin flip

Sweet got heads.

VOTE: rask

[TwoFace]

L-2

[TwoFace]

The coin gimmick is my thing. Have you never heard of twoface?

[TwoFace]

Havent outed a single read

can you please link me to where you have outed reads, I have trouble locating them when looking over your iso.

[TwoFace]

I can't believe we're letting goodmorning off the hook...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Raskolnikov

if you want to lynch gm, why the vote change?

[TwoFace]

And yeah, omgus. Bite me.

eh, this comment was unnecessary cause omgus as a valid tell died years ago

p,edit - you're right, i didn't

[TwoFace]

why does it matter?

[TwoFace]

Well it would help with meta but the assumption is you made an alt exactly to prevent that.
But the fun is, if I have played with you, in somehow figuring it out because it's a mystery just like scumhunting. But this is getting offtopic.

your name sounds familiar so maybe we have played, but I also like to read games.

If somebody actually correctly guesses my alt, maybe I will out it but yeah let's not clog up the game with it.

[TwoFace]

Havent outed a single read

can you please link me to where you have outed reads, I have trouble locating them when looking over your iso.

Have a bit of an issue with this. He does have a point on you although you deflect it to him. The deflection doesn't make sense either, he did out reads from his first post even, and his iso is full of analysis.

Now I don't think this is necessarily terrible as it could just be antisocial/lazy, but I do think you should give an opinion or stance at this point now like what he said.

he doesn't have a point though. who cares if I haven't outed any reads. on page 3/4 that isn't scummy at all.

he outed reads? I didn't see any which is why i asked him. I will look over his first post again. thanks

his iso is full of analysis? if you say so

[TwoFace]

ok so he fos'd somebody. fine he gave 1 read.

[TwoFace]

based on?

[TwoFace]

Should I listen to maria?

coinflip

tails

sorry

[TwoFace]

ok

heads

VOTE: unvote

[TwoFace]

My initial post had more content than all of yours combined,

Spoiler:

[TwoFace]

I'm not worried about if people can read me. You say I haven't provided much content and that's correct. Everyone can see that. Why state the obvious?

Ever hear of the tortoise and the hare? I'm the tortoise.

[TwoFace]

What do you think of the reads I have shared?

I'll get back to you when you declare some reads punctuated with something other than variations of

"...is a good vote"

.

Hoopla

would also be a good vote

is now a lean scum read.

Why would hoopla be a lean scum when what she said is accurate? You haven't really given reads. You claim to have 2 town reads but won't share those and you said 2 people are good votes.

[TwoFace]

Cloud, Why Scotty?

[TwoFace]

Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.

Nah not buying it.

You claimed you gave reads which you didn't. You asked hoopla's opinion on your reads.

Hoopla's response while humorous, was appropriate because you didn't give any

Saying you'd vote people arent really reads

[TwoFace]

-> And how am i lurking really, at the time you posted that i already had 3 posts as of today, one like 4h before yours and others players has posted less than i did

Cloud. I'm confused why did you post this? Nobody accused you of lurking so your response doesn't make sense

[TwoFace]

Yes that expectation is a valid one to have but having voted people without reasons hundreds of times and seeing a majority of townies not ask why, because hoopla didn't ask doesn't automatically mean she's not town.

[TwoFace]

Case in point. I've voted 2 people this game without any reason. Why didn't you ask me why?

If I use your own logic I could assume you aren't doing what you think a townie should do

[TwoFace]

Also, Hoopla wasn't the only player not to ask me about my votes. Why do you think I singled her out instead of other people?

Because you just told me you did.

[TwoFace]

Case in point. I've voted 2 people this game without any reason. Why didn't you ask me why?

If I use your own logic I could assume you aren't doing what you think a townie should do

Your votes were:

1) rvs

2) sheeping onto a wagon to get the day going

I didn't ask because I didn't any reason to expect a useful answer.

However, I notice you haven't been voting anyone since 107, why not?

Btw my first vote wasn't rvs because I coin flipped and it was tails which meant no rvs

[TwoFace]

Do I rvs?

heads = yes
tails = no

tails

See?

[TwoFace]

Scotty said I am innocent was lurking not you.

So if anyone isn't reading it is you.

[TwoFace]

Other scum reads, Cloud maybe? I can't decide on him. We'll put I am Innocent as a scum read for now just for lurking. Like what the hell dude?

Says he can't decide on you

Says I am innocent is scum for lurking.

Reading is a big part of this forum migration buddy

[TwoFace]

That makes no sense.

You said you were scum reading her for not asking you why you had your reads so really your questions to me are the ones that don't make sense.

[TwoFace]

What does worry me is you didn't answer the bolded question. Tut, tut, tut.

If that really worries you, mafia isn't the game for you.

[TwoFace]

I know i just messed up with the innocent thingy, i didnt think it was a person but a read/check, again if you actually read twoface

What am I supposed to be reading?

[TwoFace]

Oh that's what that post was about? I was kind of confused what you were talking about but now it makes sense.

[TwoFace]

TF proved that he didnt read scotty or my post when he asked why i said that. I literraly quoted scotty in the very same post when he said i was lurking

So wait. You admitted you realized that I am innocent was a player before you made this post. This post you are still under the impression sotty accused you of lurking.

[TwoFace]

TF proved that he didnt read scotty or my post when he asked why i said that. I literraly quoted scotty in the very same post when he said i was lurking

So wait. You admitted you realized that I am innocent was a player before you made this post. This post you are still under the impression sotty accused you of lurking.

Dude, are you fucking serious im really getitng irritated here. It was a misunderstanding -> i thought he said i was innocent AND lurking, it thought he had both reads on me. Then you asked me where did anyone asked me where i lurked ? When you asked me this, YES I KNEW HE DIDNT TALK ABOUT HIM, but the post ure refering to where im saying i didnt lurk, I DIDNT KNOW. So no, by saying that he said i lurked after explaining myself isnt me saying that i thought he DID JESUS. IM JUST SAYING THATS THE POST AND WHY I TOUGHT THAT.

if me trying to understand your posts better, irritates you then take a break or something.

[TwoFace]

Twoface being like antisocial and giving a "fuck you" vibe doesn't get any points but it's hard to judge it from style from an alt without meta available. Him not voting anyone despite seeming to have problems with people is kind of weird to me. Would think he'd vote victor or maybe cloud at this point given the things he said.

how am I being anti-social? I am having conversations with people which is the exact opposite of that. I also don't think I have given off an FU vibe to anyone other than maybe cloud and that's because he said he can't read me. I don't care if people can read me or not, but people can at least make an effort to. Cloud hasn't been asking me any questions or trying to get my opinions on things. He criticized me for not giving any reads but never bothered to ask if I even have any or not.

[TwoFace]

I find it funny that on a site where people are sort of role playing, they complain about people role playing while role playing. You aren't the first to complain about the coin flip and I'm completely baffled why people have an issue with it.

The "I don't care what people think about me attitude" is the attitude all players should have. If you worry about how you are perceived you can't play honest. You hold back saying things because you worry about how somebody might perceive them. If people want to think I'm scummy or even think I'm scum, let them. As long as I keep playing my game and taking my time to develop reads, I know I'm doing the best I can.

If I turn things back on people, it's because they deserve to have it turned back on them.

Cloud can't sit there and complain about me not giving any reads 1. Because it was way early in the game to have any and 2. He never took the time to even ask me if I did.

Victor deserved to have his logic turned back on him cause he's using his own logic as a reason to scum read somebody.

[TwoFace]

Since it's been a confusion for others I'll explain the flip. I flip if I'm going to vote or unvote somebody. I'll always have a reason of some sort for my wanting to vote somebody. I will probably have a reason for unvoting as well.

[TwoFace]

No, I mean your 201 doesn't make sense. Did you not understand my post or do you need to rewrite it or something.

Smh.

You asked hoopla her opinion of your reads
She basically said you didn't give any
You scum read her for that
You say that she didn't give reasons instead she used semantics
I pointed out that others did it
Now you are asking me why you singled her out instead of others.

The answer is in the chain of posts already. You singled her out cause you didn't like her response to your question.

I feel dumber for having to rehash this for you.

Blah, blah, blah... just answer the question already.

Sorry I wasn't counting post numbers. I didn't know that a vote had to be placed before a certain number of votes passed. Can you point out that post number requirement for me? I can't see it in the game rules.

I'm not voting anyone right now because I don't have anyone I want to vote right now.

[TwoFace]

i put on vote on ur ass for not outing any reads and criticizing you for other stuff, ofc im implying that i would like you to out some contents.

Well sorry I'm not a mind reader. If you want reads from somebody, ask them for them.

I didn't give any reads on page 3, because I didn't have any to give.

See I thought the tortoise and the hare reference would have cleared things up for you. Since that's an elementary level story.

The tortoise wins the race by going slow and steady.

When I have reads, I'll act on them. Voting me isn't going to make me change how I choose to play.

[TwoFace]

Sorry I'll work on being less snarky

[TwoFace]

His stuff on Twoface is mostly good

[TwoFace]

and then insisting that he's absolutely right to the point where he thinks two-face is scum for misrepresenting him

What game are you reading? Because I can't find any of this in victor's iso

[TwoFace]

And for the record it's easy for scum to act like they believe what they are saying. I mean scum are sort of required to act like they believe their accusations so they don't get caught.

[TwoFace]

He didn't explicitly say that. I'm talking about how he was insisting that your 201 doesn't make sense and how he was incredulous that your interpretation was different than his.

Scum have to act like they believe what they are saying. My point is that it doesn't look like an act to me.

Yeah the fact you read that interaction and get good vibes from victor is mind blowing. he's acting like we did t just have a conversation about that vey thing. See post 242 for the recap.

[TwoFace]

No, I mean your 201 doesn't make sense. Did you not understand my post or do you need to rewrite it or something.

Plus this post implies he doesn't think I misinterpreted him, he thinks I didn't answer his question in a manner that made sense and looking at the question again maybe I didn't.

The answer to that original question (which is basically what I was already saying) is I think you singled hoopla out for the reason you gave in post 192.

I'm not even sure why he asked the question

[TwoFace]

Victor, what was the point of asking me to answer a question when you had just answered it yourself in a conversation we had?

I agree with hoopla though, which is why I asked why youscum read her. Your response to her should have been to explain your reads. Calling her scum because she pointed out the truth is very strange.

Think it's time for a flip. Do I vote victor?

Tails. Ok not now but I'll revisit that one later.

[TwoFace]

I believe the complete opposite, actually. I'm very concerned with how other players perceive me, so I make sure to make my thoughts as explicit as I possibly can. That way, players see I'm coming from a town mindset.

I actually think that's impossible.

When you worry about how you are perceived, that could possibly prevent thoughts being posted. You may have something to say that's not so popular and decide not to post it because you know it's going to make people question you or possibly think you're scummy.

Besides, sometimes it's good not to share all your thoughts. Especially in a game that revolves around person to person interactions

[TwoFace]

The fact you're not voting. Again, why?

That was good? Damn you must be a shitty player

I already answered him, so why did you just ask me when you should know the answer?

[TwoFace]

TwoFace did notice, but decided to go into a theory discussion rather then engage in an "are you scum?" discussion in post #12 and #25. TwoFace, why did you decided to discuss the legality of dice voting, rather then the implications of Hoopla's use of it?

I am using a coin flip, so who am I to judge somebody for using dice?

I asked about the legality of it because I was under the impression that provable randomness like dice rolling is not allowed on site. turns out it's a mod by mod rule and not a site rule.

[TwoFace]

No need for what? To call you a shitty player? You said victor asking me why I wasn't voting since post 107 or whatever number was a good post. That's literally the most useless question of the game so far. So yeah that says to me that if you're town, your opinions are horrible.

typically if a player isn't voting, it usually means he doesn't have a reason to vote. any player who has played more than 1 game knows that.

But let's rewind for a bit. You originally said "stuff victor said" which implies multiple things and the only thing you pointed to was 1 useless question. Where's the other "stuff"? There was no other stuff. Victor hasn't made a good post yet.

The coin flip actually happens. Sometimes I use a real coin, other times I use a website and no I won't use dice tags. I'll keep doing it my way until i get tired of it and then I'll start voting normally.

Not sure what you want to know about my victor scum read but him calling hoopla scum was weird. His reason for it was bad cause hoopla's reason for not answering his question was good. He then went into useless mode. He literally asked me why I thought he singled hoopla out right after he explained why he singled hoopla out. He then asked why I hadn't had a vote down since post 107(or whatever number he said) like there is some sort of requirement to have a vote down. The exchange between GM and him has him looking like scum not GM so yeah that's where it came from.

I certainly wasn't overly fixated on the semantic thing, I wasn't even remotely fixated on it. Hell I only used the word once and that was when I was giving a recap of what happened before victor asked a stupid question.

Victor's vote on GM is bad, but victor is probably scum.

Would I vote bbt? Off the top of my head but I'd say probably not. It's because I don't have a read on him. Once I go back and read the game I'll have more solid reads. But for now, no I probably wouldn't.

[TwoFace]

Let's see what the coin says about voting victor now

Heads

VOTE: victor

[TwoFace]

I didn't even remember typing it lol

[TwoFace]

But hey, you're voting, guess I'm doing something right.

My voting had nothing to do with you.

[TwoFace]

Not sure if I've said it before but I'm buying the coin flipping gimmick. This vote should have come two pages ago and I don't like how it only comes after you've taken pressure for not voting.

That would require me to have actually have been pressured which I wasn't.

[TwoFace]

literraly who cares about a dice tag, how in the world is it alignement indicative literraly who cares about a dice tag, how in the world is it alignement indicative literraly who cares about a dice tag, how in the world is it alignement indicative literraly who cares about a dice tag, how in the world is it alignement indicative literraly who cares about a dice tag, how in the world is it alignement indicative literraly who cares about a dice tag, how in the world is it alignement indicative

Tell me how you really feel about dice tags

[TwoFace]

*pressurising of Sotty begins*

Ahem, well Sotty, it seems I have been reading you as slight scum, but what if I told you I now think you are very likely scum. That's right. I have a lot of suspicion for you and my one vote is simply not adequate to convey the intensity of my scumread on you. How do you feel about that?

I can't remember. Are you scum reading victor?

[TwoFace]

The caps was unnecessary

[TwoFace]

It's general abrasiveness

[TwoFace]

I know what fence sitting is - and you did it.

Are you gonna respond to anything else?

What's the difference between fence sitting and being unsure?

[TwoFace]

Michael is voting somebody. Doesn't that mean he's taken a stance?

[TwoFace]

Coin flip is how I decide to vote or unvote. It's detrimental to the game if I never vote a scum read because the flip didn't go my way. Somebody said it's not a well thought out gimmick and while probably true, I'm enjoying myself

[TwoFace]

Both Sotty and myself had called you out for not voting.

Not true. You asked me why I wasn't voting to which I answered you. I attempted to vote before sotty said anything and got a tails to which I said I would revisit it later.

Nice try

[TwoFace]

I like to put my vote to work, with BBT's inactivity I didn't find in towns best interest to just sit around and let the game get stagnant. I'm going to move my vote, I'm going to pressure people. It's the name of the game and it was part of the reason I wanted twoface to commit with a vote.

Wait you voted me to commit to a vote after I already attempted to vote which shows I was committed to a vote?

How does that work exactly?

And don't kid yourself. Me asking for a reflip later had nothing to do with your vote because I already said I was going to reflip later.

[TwoFace]

I really think victor/sotty are scum together

[TwoFace]

Town I have Michel, Rask and GM. Scum BBT, Twoface and I'm not sure on a third right now. I'd just be throwing someone random in here so I'll leave it open. Hoopla is starting to fall towards null/scum, Maria has moved up towards null/town.

No read on victor? That's odd.
Hoopla read is very odd also

[TwoFace]

AND BTW IF ANYONE WANTS ME TO DO AN ISO DRUNK DIVE IMA DO IT RN

Nobody wants you to do that

[TwoFace]

My true wish is for you to replace out but I doubt that will happen

[TwoFace]

Be aware that i lie, i troll

This is why. We have enough of these players on this site. Don't need anymore.

[TwoFace]

You came from epic mafia right? yeah Sorry that doesn't make you a good player on forum mafia. Especially when this is your first time.

[TwoFace]

Twoface, i dont think you understand who ure talkking to. if i was scum youd already would be voting obvious cop

I'm talking to a person whom I'll never take seriously the entire game

[TwoFace]

Not really

[TwoFace]

Why do you assume there is 3 scum?

[TwoFace]

So you aren't new actually. You're another alt. Why didn't you just say so?

3 mafia and a SK would pass for normal
2 teams of 2 mafia would also pass for normal.

And sorry, not going to believe your denial cause a newbie doesn't talk about balance and such during their first game on site.

P.edit - no you don't have to do a reads list

[TwoFace]

If you say so

[TwoFace]

People who make sense scare them apparently

[TwoFace]

But let's rewind for a bit. You originally said "stuff victor said" which implies multiple things and the only thing you pointed to was 1 useless question. Where's the other "stuff"? There was no other stuff. Victor hasn't made a good post yet.

Definitely disagree, his reasoning on BBT for example is actually pretty good. The only issue I have with Victors posts is the formatting and that sometimes he leaves off the names in his quote trees which makes things even harder for bad players like myself to understand. Otherwise I know where he stands. But hey, you're voting, guess I'm doing something right.

Finally getting around to reading this. Your response to me doesn't make sense.

You said

His stuff on Twoface is mostly good

When I ask you what other stuff about me, because victor didn't have any other stuff about me, you talk about unrelated stuff? Why.

I'm holding you to this. You clearly say victor said good stuff about me and the ONLY thing you point to is a useless question.

I now wonder if victor really is town and you're trying to wk him. You're response to my question will help me greatly.

Another thing I noticed. You accused me of arguing semantics with victor. I never did that. Hoopla/victor were arguing semantics. I just pointed out that his reason for scum reading hoopla was bad because she made a really good post that just so happen made victor look bad.

After all that, you don't even mention victor in your reads list?

Coin flip time.

Heads

VOTE: sotty

P.s. Voting somebody in an attempt to force somebody to vote when they said they didn't have any scum reads yet, is not pro town imo. It's not even a good use of a vote. Nevermind the fact that you should have seen I attempted to vote victor before you voted me which makes you trying to take credit for it fall flat.

I'm not ready to write victor off as town, but a sotty scum flip will make me feel better about him.


P.p.s - so it doesn't get lost. What other stuff did you like from Victor about me?

[TwoFace]

1. it's odd cause you were basically buddying/agreeing with him so he should have made the list before some of those other people.

2. I am not sure why you are confused since I explained it to you in that post but apparently you need to be treated like a child.

you said this

His stuff on Twoface is mostly good

When I asked you to clarify what you meant aka the question mark emoji, you're response was

The fact you're not voting.

1. That isn't anything. he asked me a question and the question was a useless one.

2. "stuff" implies multiple things, or at the bare minimum more than 1 thing.

Victor didn't make any posts about me. He and I had a conversation answering questions and such, but he never made any negative points against me outside of me not answering his question.

so Can you please link me to the "stuff" victor supposedly said that you agreed with please.

[TwoFace]

Post 199 he was answering my question to him about why he didn't do what he says townies should do
Post 203 - he said he didn't understand my response to his question (which was a pointless question since he already answered it himself on the previous page). The next part was a continuation of the conversation from 199.

So there's no points he made about me.

The not voting question wasn't even anything against me either. It was asking me a simple question which I answered BEFORE you said you agreed with victors "stuff"

So basically your entire reason for voting me was BS. You basically made a post that sounded like you were agreeing with victor, but victor never made any accusations towards me. He and I were having a conversation.

I also really hate this post which reeks of LAMIST

It's day one Twoface, what are you waiting for, vote your top scum read and lets get going.

1. Who are you to tell me how to play?
2. How can you even tell me to vote my biggest scum read when I said in posts 242/243 that I don't have any reads. Which means I didn't have a "biggest scum read" to vote? I even said when I have reads I would vote which makes your comment to me very shallow.

I know nobody is going to agree with me, nobody usually does but I'm pretty sure you're scum trying to buddy victor and making comments that are done more for effect and have very little facts in them.

[TwoFace]

I'm not voting anyone right now because I don't have anyone I want to vote right now.

When I have reads, I'll act on them

[TwoFace]

Twoface who is dacing around this back and forth and who isn't even voting when it looks like he has clearly picked a side

More LAMIST considering this happened 2 posts before his.

Think it's time for a flip. Do I vote victor?

Tails. Ok not now but I'll revisit that one later.

I obviously attempted a vote so his comment again was for show.

[TwoFace]

And because I attempted a vote and said I would revisit it later. He makes another LAMIST post here

But hey, you're voting, guess I'm doing something right.

Because he was in no way responsible for my vote since I attempted to vote before he voted me.

[TwoFace]

So can we rope sotty today and revisit bbt tomorrow? I promise I'll delve deep into bbt's iso tomorrow if we get sotty lynched today.

[TwoFace]

aka damn he made great posts. I don't know how to respond

[TwoFace]

[TwoFace]

I need to get a handle on some other people. Who should I start with first? Any suggestions?

[TwoFace]

Ok I'll focus on them first.

[TwoFace]

That's all you got? Damn I knew my posts were good, but didn't think they were that good you couldn't even muster up a good defense

Ok so sotty is scum. Let's go

[TwoFace]

Don't worry where I'm at. I'll get to them on my own schedule. Go pretend to be useful somewhere else

[TwoFace]

Now you're getting greedy. Plus giving reads on 4 people is getting close to reads list.

How about i just reread the thread and I'll add a couple of names into the possible scum pile. Who I'm town/null reading aren't really necessary

[TwoFace]

hoping to finish my catchup now

Cool

On that note I didn't feel like catching up today

[TwoFace]

Can you guys unvote and let the guy re read without the pressure of votes thank you.

[TwoFace]

As of right now I'm happy with my sotty vote. She's my strongest scumread a

This guy is doing something right

[TwoFace]

GreyICE (6)

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Sotty7

,

Hoopla

,

MichelSableheart

,

BlackVoid

,

VictorDeAngelo

,

I Am Innocent

L-1,

Sotty7 (3)

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Jaack

,

Raskolnikov

,

TwoFace

Ooh pretty. What do they mean

[TwoFace]

No cw means it's a town mislynch. If anything I'd say that bbt is the counter to sotty

[TwoFace]

If anyone should be vigged for low contribution, it should be Jaack.

Well that's not how a vig should decide their kills

[TwoFace]

Nobody else finds it weird that sotty was the leading vote getter twice and both times votes shifted to bbt? There doesn't seem to be much pushback or objection to a bbt lynch but sotty for some reason can't seem to get more than 4 votes?

Talks are being had about easy targets but sotty has basically only voted bbt who is is an easy target since he got to l-1 without much resistance and a vote on me because I wasn't voting my biggest scumread eventhouh shortly before that vote I said I didn't have any scum reads.

And now with the except of me trying to get people back on sotty who was the leading vote getter twice, there is really no counter forming to bbt/gray which indicate he's probably town.

[TwoFace]

But sotty hasn't done much. His pushes lack substance. He's saying all the right things to look town but when you actually look at what he's saying it's just meh.

I'm pretty sure he's scum. And because the people more universally town read are not paying him any attention, his buddies don't feel the need to bus or even distance.

[TwoFace]

^ makes valid points

P.edit - ice's post

[TwoFace]

@grey. Once you're done questioning about victor. I actually have a question for you but want to wait until you're done asking about victor

[TwoFace]

Grey, I have a question to ask you too. But I want to wait until Twoface asks his question.

Question Queue

• TwoFace
  
• Hoopla

What do you make of sotty's attempts to buddy victor? Also thoughta on Sotty doing a list of reads when he left victor off.

I'll read the rest later. Going to go early vote

[TwoFace]

Also Jaack still going with all this Sotty stuff makes me think he's more likely to be Town because that's a hell of a brick wall for Scum to throw themselves at.

why would sotty be a brick wall? twice they were the largest vote getter and twice votes went elsewhere. logic suggests sotty is scum and everyone else is a counter.

[TwoFace]

Jack? You're kidding right? He's pushing on scum and you want to lynch him? When sotty flips scum that's going to be bad for you hoops

[TwoFace]

Jack? You're kidding right? He's pushing on scum and you want to lynch him? When sotty flips scum that's going to be bad for you hoops

The Sotty wagon has been on a one-way road to Nowheresville for

10

15 pages now. How many more pages of nobody voting Sotty do we need to see before you compromise?

Every time he gets to 4 votes, attention gets diverted elsewhere. That's a red flag if I've ever seen one so probably won't divert ever. I'm really thinking you're scum with him at this point. You're too good to not see this

[TwoFace]

Well jack is a bad wagon. Grey/bbt wasn't really that scummy. Sotty/victor/Maria/you are where I'd vote at this point

[TwoFace]

Why do you think Jack is town exactly?

He's sharing my reads for the most point. his sotty push is good. Scum wagons especially early have the most resistance and I don't see more resistance to a wagon than the one sotty has had. Sotty's contribution is bland which makes the resistance to his wagon odd. Makes me think somebody who's town read hard is scum with him. Hence why I'm thinking it's you. You abandoned your vote on sotty for bad reasons which means your vote was for show. He got to 4 and you decided to hop over to an easy target.

[TwoFace]

Part of his reasoning can still be wrong and yet he can still be right.

I've seen nothing protown from you. The biggest issue from you was saying you agreed with the stuff victor said, and when questioned for what stuff you couldn't answer which means you were making things up which is more often going to come from scum. Why people ignore that is beyond me.

[TwoFace]

People are writing off sotty's interactions with me but its single handily the most scummiest thing to happen. It reaks of LAMIST while not even helping progress the game.

[TwoFace]

I give up. Nobody I want lynched is going to get lynched. Hopefully I'll have something more substantial tomorrow

[TwoFace]

Four days out, and none of your lynches are going easy so you're going to do what exactly? Sit back for the rest of the day and just let another lynch happen.

Exactly. Deal with it

[TwoFace]

The only other wagon that had potential was sotty which stalled many times. Hoopla even helped stall it.

Grey is town

[TwoFace]

Hoopla joining the gray wagon is terrible. Anyone town reading her. Weds their head examined. It's funny she stalls a good wagon and then casts shade on the people voting that same person

[TwoFace]

Needs*

[TwoFace]

I have a question for everyone on the Grey wagon

Why do you think no other wagons have really picked up until now because he's scum and getting bussed? Or it's just hard to vote him and scum are content with losing him?
I don't know the answer and I want to

He's the counter to sotty who's scum.

Sotty/hoopla I'd bet my life their scum

[TwoFace]

And? I do what I want and say what I want when I want

[TwoFace]

Idk blonde chicks can be head cases. Look at Harley quinn

[TwoFace]

<3 Harley

[TwoFace]

Town is voting GreyIce. There is not any scum on that wagon, so no, no bussing is happening. If he was town, scum would have hammered at one of these points already.

you are better than this

Have to agree here. If in innocent is town, he's delusional. Even if he thinks grey is scum, there's one scum on the wagon but grey is most likely town here. No strong resistance to his wagon and he was the counter to sotty who has had a ton of resistance.

[TwoFace]

Trust me, hop on this wagon, and I'll make sure it's town cred u get when he flips scum, and not late scum bussing cred. Offer expires shortly

I'll pass thanks

[TwoFace]

Who's your wife?

[TwoFace]

oh cool

[TwoFace]

so, I'll try and not do a lot of posting before then.

fixed

[TwoFace]

I second void explaining why I'm town to him. I feel like void hasn't interacted with me much if at all. If we have it's been forgettable

[TwoFace]

Bbt was the counter to sotty. There has been no serious counter to bbt.

Bbt town

Sotty scum

It's really that simple.

[TwoFace]

My reason for voting you is way more than the use of the word stuff. Typical scum downplaying all the reasons I outlined in a big post.

[TwoFace]

In a nutshell

You voted me for agreeing with the points victor made against me. Problem was victor made no points against me. So you thought you were sheeping/buddying victor and basically lying because when questioned about it was unable to provide these points you agreed with.

You voted me for not voting my scum reads, but I had just said I didn't have any scum reads.

Voting me for not voting is ploy to appear productive and look town but it's really not productive and doesn't make you look town.

you make a couple other posts that are easily made by scum meant to earn town points aka LAMIST

You're also trying to lynch bbt/grey who's obviously town and your reason for suspecting that slot from what I remember was weak.

You say I haven't given reads which is bullshit cause I've given the names of 4 people I think are scum. (More lying)

[TwoFace]

Oh and his original reason for voting bbt is absolutely garbage.

[TwoFace]

That's a whole lot of words and yet none of them helpful

[TwoFace]

I mean I even gave you the summarized definition in my post above.

[TwoFace]

I have to relocate my mom tomorrow so will be fairly inactive. Doesn't seem to matter though cause town is content on mislynching.

[TwoFace]

Twoface, would you lynch Victor?

I mean I think he's scum but you/him actually don't make sense since you were buddying him. I'd rather lynch you but to prevent a NL. Sure

[TwoFace]

That's a whole lot of words and yet none of them helpful

A bit like your time-wasting vote on Sotty.

Unfortunately voting scum is never a waste of time. You know that. You're buddies

[TwoFace]

Look at me I'm so town" is such a bullshit reason to suspect me. But I'm not going down this road again with you, I feel like I am yelling into the abyss

So I'm right but for the wrong reasons? Gotcha

[TwoFace]

You should pick between Grey or Victor.

Don't want me to lynch your buddy? Gotcha

[TwoFace]

I'll get this sorted out eventually.

Have fun mislynching. Don't say I didn't at least try to stop
It.

[TwoFace]

You should pick between Grey or Victor.

Don't want me to lynch your buddy? Gotcha

Unless your role is a Septuple-Voter triggered by Time Wasting Sass and Delusions of Grandeur then that ain't happening...

So you're confirming you're partners but I don't have the support. Sadly you're right but thanks for confirming I was right.

[TwoFace]

GreyICE is probably my third choice after MariaR and Rask. One thing from Michel that I townread was his saying he was going to look through the game keeping my reads in mind. That could be buddying but asking for help is something I see town do more often. It's weak though and it wouldn't shock me if he was scum. GreyICE flip would help me read Sotty7 better I think.

@Mod,

Cloud unvoted in 815 by the way.

Yet you haven't tried to get any pressure on Maria or rask

[TwoFace]

When did she stall a good wagon? Or cast shade? Why is it you don’t bother quoting stuff and then when I look through player’s ISOs I can’t find anything to back up what your saying?

You obviously aren't trying very hard. Here let me show you

Here is where I say which wagon she stalled. It's actually not my first comment cause I've said a couple of times that bbt was the counter to sotty. Twice sotty was at 4 votes and attention got diverted to bbt for some reason

The only other wagon that had potential was sotty which stalled many times. Hoopla even helped stall it.

Grey is town

Here is her casting shade

It does a little bit. If Grey is town, then I'd expect scum to be in the lurkers/people sitting on stale wagons content with the game state and not willing to put their neck on the line to further the game and put themselves in the limelight. Raskol, goodmorning, TwoFace spring to mind.

2 of the 3 people are voting the wagon she stalled earlier.

All of these were on the same page man. The same fucking page!!!


Sorry when im repeating things I've said previously (stalled wagons) or responding to a recent post (casting shade) I have this unrealistic expectation that people will actually read the posts being made and not lie about not seeing them when they are right there in their face. I'm sorry I made that mistake. I won't assume you have the ability to read posts being made even though it's sort of a requirement of the game.

[TwoFace]

If victor gets to l-1 I'll hammer. If he's town he doesn't read well and is a liability. If he's scum well I can actually see a sotty/hoopla/victor team and yes I'm a little crazy

[TwoFace]

Not a fan. Seems different to me. But not as high on my list atm

[TwoFace]

When did she stall a good wagon? Or cast shade? Why is it you don’t bother quoting stuff and then when I look through player’s ISOs I can’t find anything to back up what your saying?

You obviously aren't trying very hard. Here let me show you

Here is where I say which wagon she stalled. It's actually not my first comment cause I've said a couple of times that bbt was the counter to sotty. Twice sotty was at 4 votes and attention got diverted to bbt for some reason

The only other wagon that had potential was sotty which stalled many times. Hoopla even helped stall it.

Grey is town

Funny that accuse me of not reading and yet you obviously not reading/comprehending/thinking about what I'm posting.

I'm asking where Hoopla stalled the Sotty wagon. Obviously I'm not asking that as a random question. I've read you say that Hoopla stalled the wagon. I don't need you to requote you saying that Hoopla stalled it. What I'm saying is that it didn't happen. Hoopla is not the reason Sotty isn't getting lynched.

Here is her casting shade

It does a little bit. If Grey is town, then I'd expect scum to be in the lurkers/people sitting on stale wagons content with the game state and not willing to put their neck on the line to further the game and put themselves in the limelight. Raskol, goodmorning, TwoFace spring to mind.

2 of the 3 people are voting the wagon she stalled earlier.

All of these were on the same page man. The same fucking page!!!

Specuating about where scum might be is a long way from casting shade. Particularly since this was in response to Maria's question about why an alternative to the Grey wagon wasn't going off.

Sorry when im repeating things I've said previously (stalled wagons) or responding to a recent post (casting shade) I have this unrealistic expectation that people will actually read the posts being made and not lie about not seeing them when they are right there in their face. I'm sorry I made that mistake. I won't assume you have the ability to read posts being made even though it's sort of a requirement of the game.

Funny you accuse me of stupidity (not being able to read), laziness (not trying to read) and lying (apparently seeing the posts, reading them but then pretending not to).

Sorry I'm not going to help you be lazy. I've already explained how she stalled it. So go look at the VCs and see where sotty had 4 votes with hoopla on it. Then go forward and see her switching to bbt for a bad reason. And you'll see her stalling the sotty wagon. She's also been trying to downplay the sotty wagon trying to act like the resistance against it doesn't mean he's scum which is actually the opposite of almost every scum lynch I've seen. Strong resistance usually means scum. The fact she doesn't recognize that is sketchy.

I disagree about your comment about speculating.

[TwoFace]

If victor gets to l-1 I'll hammer. If he's town he doesn't read well and is a liability. If he's scum well I can actually see a sotty/hoopla/victor team and yes I'm a little crazy

In fact, why aren't you voting me already.

Votecount 1.13

GreyICE (6)

Sotty7 , MichelSableheart , VictorDeAngelo , I Am Innocent , Hoopla , BlackVoid L-1,

MichelSableheart (1)

CloudKicker

VictorDeAngelo (5)

goodmorning , GreyICE , MariaR , Raskolnikov , Jaack L-2,

Sotty7 (1)

TwoFace ,

Not Voting (1)

CloudKicker ,

Day one deadline is Thursday November 3, 8 AM PST. (expired on 2016-11-03 08:00:00)

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

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No way you didn't see this on the previous page.

No way you still believe a Sotty wagon is happening. You have said repeatedly you want me more than GreyICE. Why are you so keen to wait for me to get to L-1 exactly?

You aren't at L-1 yet. That's why I'm not voting you

[TwoFace]

TwoFace making it clear he's only prepared to vote me if I get to L-1 is made me rethink.

That's a dumb reason to make you want to rethink things.

[TwoFace]

Two Face

Ugh.

I want want want to say town. I want to want to want to. The only thing is if Victor is scum and he's scum then he's painted himself into a corner where he just has to sit and hope I get hammered. Which is... exactly what he's doing, while saying victor is a fine lynch. But man, every bone in my body yells active, engaged town. Town in a deep tunnel though. Err...

Geez. Okay, so what we have here is a lot of things that individually make me say town, while general positioning says its easy to fake being in a tunnel all day. But... he's new to this site, he's in one other game that's ongoing and therefore I couldn't discuss it. But honestly, I think he leans town here.

I dunno. Welcome to me actually going into this wanting to say one thing and just not being able to. I still really feel he's town, but this is not where I thought it would be. I'd put down $20 on town, but not $200.

I'll make things easier for you.

1. I'm not scum. I'm not waiting for someone to hammer you either. I'm hoping whatwver dumb ass townies who are voting you will see there's almost no way you can be scum. I find it funny that I complain there is no resistance to your lynch and magically resistance forms out of nowhere. Luckily for me this new wagon is somebody I'm already scum reading so I'm not changing my stance that you're probably town here.
2. I'm an alt, I'm not new.

[TwoFace]

Hopefully tomorrow I can get better reads.

VOTE: GreyICE

Did you ever do your victor read like you said you'd do?

[TwoFace]

Hopefully tomorrow I can get better reads.

VOTE: GreyICE

Did you ever do your victor read like you said you'd do?

Looks town.

Well that would make 2 unexplained 180s so can you explain them both? You had bbt/ice as townish and victor as scum and now you don't.

[TwoFace]

I don't know if I buy that it was a reaction fake-hammer though. It looked like he saw that Cloud was not going to hammer anytime soon, decided that he wanted a GreyICE lynch, faked a change of heart, and tried to hammer and end the day. Then backtracked when it failed.

considering his first post was acknowledging ice was at L-1, that means he saw the VC and his slot voting. Do you really think he forgot who he was voting?

[TwoFace]

yes, which is why I said he saw his slot was already voting ice. Do you honestly think he forgot? not likely

people fake hammer for reactions all the time on this site. It's really a lame reaction test

[TwoFace]

Nothing presumable about it. A hammer without a claim will be considered a scum claim, and result in auto lynch the next day.

I think it's cute people still say this

[TwoFace]

Guys look at the facts:

BBT's catch up was scummy as all get out
BBT replacing out as he was receiving pressure from his scummy catch up was just as scummy as all get out
GI coming in saying what a great vote Jack is, to voting Victor, and suggesting me for vig, followed up by quickly replacing Jack with Hoopla on his scum reads for reasons I still haven't understood is shady
GI claimed VT, so if we're wrong, it doesn't cost town much
GI, whether scum or town will give us so much information to work with starting D2

It's a friggin no-brainer. I have never in my almost seven years on this site, seen an L-1 wagon for so long and so close to the deadline on a town player. Ever. Scum would have hammered a long time ago, and esp more recently if Victor scum/GI is town.

Just end this day Rask and let's take the information and move forward. If I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll be the #1 candidate for lynch D2. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

so if ice flips town, what will happen to this "no-brainer"?

[TwoFace]

Nothing presumable about it. A hammer without a claim will be considered a scum claim, and result in auto lynch the next day.

I think it's cute people still say this

I think it's cute you don't think I mean it.

you can mean it, doesn't mean it will actually happen. I don't think I have ever actually seen it happen. Good scum don't draw unnecessary attention to themselves by quick hammering somebody without a claim. It's is usally some idiot townie doing it for the lulz

At some point before this game is over i'll show you an example

[TwoFace]

Dude you can't read for shit can you? You weren't even at l-1 and the intent was for gray

[TwoFace]

Yeah I doubt the mason claim only cause the play doesn't match

[TwoFace]

Sotty/hoopla if ice isn't trolling

[TwoFace]

Sotty/hoopla if ice isn't trolling

For fucks sake I'm confirmed town and you ignore my reads?

Sotty is town. Lynch Hoopla, that's fine. But fucking kill IAI.

how are you confirmed town? Missed where the mod confirmed that.

[TwoFace]

You're dead soon. I don't even care how living people read me, why would I care how you read me?

[TwoFace]

I guess you wouldn't. You don't really seem to care about much this game at all, except your Sotty read of course.

If you do flip town, and victor is actually mason. All signs point to Sotty/hoopla scum and yes, all I care about is lynching scum.

[TwoFace]

Only regret not unvoting Rask. I couldn't take havingfitz not requesting nightskip really seriously.

That's your only regret? You didn't regret not taking lylo serious and trying to game solve?

:faceplam:

[TwoFace]

If I weren't taking LyLo serious I would've left my vote where it was some days ago.

You mean yesterday?

Lylo lasted about 25 hours.

Do me a favor. Stay far away from me.

[TwoFace]

^save your breath. He hammers 26 hours into lylo. No hope for him

[TwoFace]

I think the real screwup was lynching Hoopla. That's my regret this game.

Meh. She didn't have a great game.

[TwoFace]

Defending sotty and calling bv scum when it was obvious he was mason.

[TwoFace]

here there was no question the mafia were much better than the masons.

agreed

[TwoFace]

b-b-b-but why

He obviously wasn't taking this game seriously. That's why